Question Can slots on individual accounts be fixed not to pay out?

[asadzareef89]

@bigjohn

What you're seeing is differences in graphics quality....nothing else. It means absolutely nothing in regards to TRTP. I'm really surprised you can't see that....you're a smart guy.

I think the wiki link provided earlier will be of interest to you.

I dont know what the wiki link says but no one and ii mean it when i say no one should trust wikipedia as data can be altered and changed by people like you and me on there. First thing we were told at college was never use wiki for your assignments as its not always right

 

[Mousey]

I still think there should be at least one slot at each casino that pays out a flat 95% on each and every spin - then those who worry about the RTP wouldn't have to worry about it, they'd just lose 5% on each and every spin. They could never win and would be bored, but comforted by their true RTP of 95%.

 

[LaurieJim]

A-HA!! (good band BTW )

Bovada BOUGHT the actual source code from RTG several years ago. So, it IS possible that Bovada COULD alter it "on the sly".

AFAIK you can only get the older games at Bovada (or last time someone posted about it anyway), due to the fact that Bovada no longer have to pay an annual licence fee i.e. they own their copy of the source code. It also explains why their slots look less graphically-enhanced.

Thanks for the extra info X-man

@Bigjohn...I don't want to have a dispute with ya. You're a good bloke and I respect your views on many subjects. Let's just agree to disagree yeah? Besides, we both love Peter Griffin.

@ bigjohn !! I have to agree with Nifty on this and as he stated in his post it is better to agree to disagree sometimes as I have learned over the years with Nifty and other forum members , no one is always right nor wrong but your views as well as any members is always of value and we love a good debate and you both have posted excellent view points.

Laurie

 

[cpdnd31]

Perception is what is at fault here. For example. You receive a free chip you win on free chip you experience says why do I always hit big on free chip. So Let's break it apart.

Free chip you and 1000 people receive it. You win but do you know that the other 999 people won on theirs? No so your perception is I won because they let me. I received same chip and I lost and I say man I'm glad it was their money.

You won on free chip -- did you play the same games you have been spinning on for the last week you know the games you always play? If I won on my free chip and I played my regular games I would say dam the slot Iv'e been spinning on for the last week just popped. Was it because of free chip or was it because Iv'e been spinning on it for the last week.

Do you see how perception and habits can influence your gaming perspectives?

Was you slot due because you been spinning or was it the free chip?

I keep a log of what games you play and how many spins and bet size-- see if that helps you after lets say 3 months of play time.



Now don't jump on me -- I took my tin hat off it was messing up my hair!

 

[lotusch]

Very interesting thread with some very good input..
Was just looking to see if any casino rep would jump in and give their pov on this very interesting subject..

 

[albrco123]

Great reading this thread,

FWIW My thoughts on the subject

I doubt any Casino would go to the trouble of adjusting RTP on a player by player basis but we all know that many softwares platforms have different RTP settings that the Casino's can choose to use.

It seems quite feasible that Casino's could group players into 2 or 3 categories and assign a different RTP to each category such as, Fun Players, High Rollers, New Players, Players taking a bonus etc.
or even different RTP settings for players by Geographical location.

Not saying any of the above happens and it probably does not, just that it sounds plausible.

I have a friend who swears that he only ever wins in the local B&M Casino when playing without his Payers Club Card inserted and will often remove the card when on a losing streak.

JMHO

Al

 

[bigjohn]

All right, this will definitely be my last post on this thread, I've been slapped around enough. If anyone wants the last shot at me it's all yours after this.

One can understand the capabilities of computers without being able to actually write code etc.

This statement is mostly wrong. You do not understand computer programming, I do. You can drive a car for 50 years and still not know how it works. A mechanic knows how it works and the capabilities.

You're the one putting the theories forward, hence you have the burden of proof. Show some real evidence that cannot be explained by any other facts, and I am genuinely all ears.

This statement is also false. I told how it could be done.

Real skepticism requires real facts.

This statement is also false. To prove something requires real facts, to be skeptical requires nothing.

Besides the fact that one screenshot is Jackpot Capital and the other is Bovada, indeed
it's just a graphical coincidence.

You are wrong, it's not Jackpot Capital and Bovada and it's not just a graphical err...ahh.. what he said. Changing the graphics coincidence (lol) will not move the 'options cashier help' section to a different place. The fact that Nifty thanked this post shows he is only seeing things that support his POV. If it's against what I'm saying it must be good...even though he apparently didn't read it.

Bovada BOUGHT the actual source code from RTG several years ago. So, it IS possible that Bovada COULD alter it "on the sly".

Wow, you must have taken off your kryptonite foil hat because something finally got through!

Perception is what is at fault here. For example. You receive a free chip you win on free chip you experience says why do I always hit big on free chip. So Let's break it apart.

Free chip you and 1000 people receive it. You win but do you know that the other 999 people won on theirs? No so your perception is I won because they let me. I received same chip and I lost and I say man I'm glad it was their money.

You won on free chip -- did you play the same games you have been spinning on for the last week you know the games you always play? If I won on my free chip and I played my regular games I would say dam the slot Iv'e been spinning on for the last week just popped. Was it because of free chip or was it because Iv'e been spinning on it for the last week.

Do you see how perception and habits can influence your gaming perspectives?

Was you slot due because you been spinning or was it the free chip?

I keep a log of what games you play and how many spins and bet size-- see if that helps you after lets say 3 months of play time.



Now don't jump on me -- I took my tin hat off it was messing up my hair!

I'm not going to jump on you but I did not hit big on a free chip (did anybody actually read what I posted about this?). I got my balance up to the minimum cash-out amount very quickly and then I played on and on for at least 2 days, probably a total of about 6 hours actual playtime. Don't go to sleep on me now, this next sentence is the important part. During that time my balance never went up or down more than $20 or so. Has that ever happened to any of you? That you start off at $100, then play at $.50 a spin on various slots for 6 hours and never see your balance over $120 or below $100? We should ask Nifty's buddy Elliot what the probability of that is.

All right everybody, let it fly. I will read it all.

 

[Nifty29]

All right, this will definitely be my last post on this thread, I've been slapped around enough. If anyone wants the last shot at me it's all yours after this.


This statement is mostly wrong. You do not understand computer programming, I do. You can drive a car for 50 years and still not know how it works. A mechanic knows how it works and the capabilities.


This statement is also false. I told how it could be done.



This statement is also false. To prove something requires real facts, to be skeptical requires nothing.



You are wrong, it's not Jackpot Capital and Bovada and it's not just a graphical err...ahh.. what he said. Changing the graphics coincidence (lol) will not move the 'options cashier help' section to a different place. The fact that Nifty thanked this post shows he is only seeing things that support his POV. If it's against what I'm saying it must be good...even though he apparently didn't read it.


Wow, you must have taken off your kryptonite foil hat because something finally got through!



I'm not going to jump on you but I did not hit big on a free chip (did anybody actually read what I posted about this?). I got my balance up to the minimum cash-out amount very quickly and then I played on and on for at least 2 days, probably a total of about 6 hours actual playtime. Don't go to sleep on me now, this next sentence is the important part. During that time my balance never went up or down more than $20 or so. Has that ever happened to any of you? That you start off at $100, then play at $.50 a spin on various slots for 6 hours and never see your balance over $120 or below $100? We should ask Nifty's buddy Elliot what the probability of that is.

All right everybody, let it fly. I will read it all.

Looks like I misjudged you. My bad.

No point debating someone who won't listen and has all the evidence to support their conspiracies.

I was going to drive the car today, but since I'm not a mechanic, I've realised I can't, as I just don't know what it's capable of....

 

[asadzareef89]

Looks like I misjudged you. My bad.

No point debating someone who won't listen and has all the evidence to support their conspiracies.

I was going to drive the car today, but since I'm not a mechanic, I've realised I can't, as I just don't know what it's capable of....

I didn't know me starting this thread would create such disagreements. My apologize people

But my understanding is being sceptic can be good sometimes as it stops you chasing your loses too much, like god our minds work in mysterious ways aswell

 

[X-Raided]

You are wrong, it's not Jackpot Capital and Bovada and it's not just a graphical err...ahh.. what he said. Changing the graphics coincidence (lol) will not move the 'options cashier help' section to a different place. The fact that Nifty thanked this post shows he is only seeing things that support his POV. If it's against what I'm saying it must be good...even though he apparently didn't read it.

Now John, no need to get worked up here. I didn't undermine your post at all. That screen shot with the different fonts was identical to Bovada's software. If it wasn't Bovada, where was it? Was it flash? You always promote JC and Bovada... Just sayin'.

 

[iPalle66]

are we so superstiscious?

I have exactly the same thoughts as you but I never play on that software you do, anymore. Playtech is for me so boring and without any kind of feelin, for example the stop button on all slots must be made by a 4 years old baby or something similar,, it´s a experiance of pain and sorrow!

Too up2nogood-softwarecrap for me, but it really don´t matter what software you wager your green, I am sure that for some reason they somehow control your play, it´s probably already written in the software from start,, hmm,, rigged as devil himself and I´m too dumb or lazy to maybe play somewhere there they not have destroyed my chances to feel some happines yet!

It just can´t be true what I´ve seen over theese years but at the end of the day,, somehow I accept the fact and probably never gonna stop gamblin on the netcasinos, it´s too much fun and devonstating, can´t spell the word but u know,,, hmmm maybe time to leave this forum for some DoA,,

 

[asadzareef89]

I have exactly the same thoughts as you but I never play on that software you do, anymore. Playtech is for me so boring and without any kind of feelin, for example the stop button on all slots must be made by a 4 years old baby or something similar,, it´s a experiance of pain and sorrow!

Too up2nogood-softwarecrap for me, but it really don´t matter what software you wager your green, I am sure that for some reason they somehow control your play, it´s probably already written in the software from start,, hmm,, rigged as devil himself and I´m too dumb or lazy to maybe play somewhere there they not have destroyed my chances to feel some happines yet!

It just can´t be true what I´ve seen over theese years but at the end of the day,, somehow I accept the fact and probably never gonna stop gamblin on the netcasinos, it´s too much fun and devonstating, can´t spell the word but u know,,, hmmm maybe time to leave this forum for some DoA,,

Well after this I have not played on PT as much and been on MG & Netent for last month or so and boy let me tell you my losses are uncountable as i m 3000 down just lost another 150 or so on BETAT in just 30 mins, I've had enough of these High variance slots, the money I'm gettin on bonuses are 5x or 10x and max i won today was at Betsafe 100x on 90p bet but by that time i was 200 down and lost that aswell. Never bet more than 1.5 and most my spins are at 90p. Wild desire feature best win 15 pounds on 90p. Last three feature win on Playboy 4.05/12/14. Haven't got a single free spin round on Finest reels of life on about 5 casinos I have played at.

DOA is another example, very easy to get free spins but not so easy to win anything, I like the fact that no matter what i would win atleast 50x on PT bonus rounds/free spins. I got bonus on DOA and jack hammer about 20 times in this week and my best win was on JH at 1.5bet 27pounds.

I'm going to try betat 2-3 more times as i'm down quite a lot there so a decent win should be on the cards PS have just fed TDKR about 200D+100B on 1.5 spins, currently 40spins x2MP so 2-3 small deposits to see if i can hit that and maybe get some money back, then i'm back to Playtech

 

[tinybettor]

Those are some shocking stats mate! Hope it turns around soon and rewards you a big one.

 

[Markus_Demon]

in simple word its getting from some players and giving to another but keeping the casino edge.

It is for sure possible for casinos to do but i dont think there is a need for that, since the software is already smart enough to create the balance.

Have you ever noticed after a big withdraw the next 10-30 deposites u gonna lose like hell, the slots dry out no matter what you do and how much you bet

sometime you get lucky and win after withdraw but thats really seldom.

 

[tinybettor]

Have you ever noticed after a big withdraw the next 10-30 deposites u gonna lose like hell, the slots dry out no matter what you do and how much you bet

sometime you get lucky and win after withdraw but thats really seldom.

Yep, I experience this time and time again. Which is why next time if I do ever win big again, I'll make sure to take a break so I can at least enjoy the winnings, instead of feeding it back.

 

[Borgie]

So let me get this straight a handful of you on this thread believe the casino is manipulating the softeware so you lose after you have had a win, so they are cheating and yet all of you are still playing. Why?

 

[mrmark21]

So let me get this straight a handful of you on this thread believe the casino is manipulating the softeware so you lose after you have had a win, so they are cheating and yet all of you are still playing. Why?

I dont think they are rigged. They play the same on fun mode. The returns can be shocking though. I had such a low RTP at Guts that I've excluded myself for three months. Just one big rip. I agree with you, why play?

IMO players seem to beleive that they are due a return after investing allot of money. The "law of numbers". But theres nothing to say your bad luck wont continue. They continue feeding the machine and the machine keeps eating their money but a truly random slot wont wait until its been fed enough money to payout a big win.

 

[Nifty29]

So let me get this straight a handful of you on this thread believe the casino is manipulating the softeware so you lose after you have had a win, so they are cheating and yet all of you are still playing. Why?

TBH Borgie, I can't believe someone dredged this up again.

 

[Igor82]

Well after this I have not played on PT as much and been on MG & Netent for last month or so and boy let me tell you my losses are uncountable as i m 3000 down just lost another 150 or so on BETAT in just 30 mins, I've had enough of these High variance slots, the money I'm gettin on bonuses are 5x or 10x and max i won today was at Betsafe 100x on 90p bet but by that time i was 200 down and lost that aswell. Never bet more than 1.5 and most my spins are at 90p. Wild desire feature best win 15 pounds on 90p. Last three feature win on Playboy 4.05/12/14. Haven't got a single free spin round on Finest reels of life on about 5 casinos I have played at.

DOA is another example, very easy to get free spins but not so easy to win anything, I like the fact that no matter what i would win atleast 50x on PT bonus rounds/free spins. I got bonus on DOA and jack hammer about 20 times in this week and my best win was on JH at 1.5bet 27pounds.

I'm going to try betat 2-3 more times as i'm down quite a lot there so a decent win should be on the cards PS have just fed TDKR about 200D+100B on 1.5 spins, currently 40spins x2MP so 2-3 small deposits to see if i can hit that and maybe get some money back, then i'm back to Playtech

Those are indeed some abysmal stats. I took a look at your account and i see it's not as bad as it was yesterday thank god None the less, my team awarded a comp as i looked at aggregate RTP over the last few sessions.

Please post it to us when you see these sessions. We review performance across player base few times per month but it's hard to catch individual slumps. Id rather not have MG (and us) lose a player over a dry spell.

Hope it continues to turn around for you.

Igor

 

[asadzareef89]

Those are indeed some abysmal stats. I took a look at your account and i see it's not as bad as it was yesterday thank god None the less, my team awarded a comp as i looked at aggregate RTP over the last few sessions.

Please post it to us when you see these sessions. We review performance across player base few times per month but it's hard to catch individual slumps. Id rather not have MG (and us) lose a player over a dry spell.

Hope it continues to turn around for you.

Igor

Yes in the last 3 days, made 2 very small withdrawals of 75 and deposits of around 190 so down only 40 dis week, ps never win with comps lol even though it was very generous 30 quid

All in all i keep going back there is because of the CS and the huge cache of games,

Igor would u be adding netent games in the future as some of there games aren't as high variance as MG and i dont quite like the other softwares

Thanks for the comps again

 

[dionysus]

Yes in the last 3 days, made 2 very small withdrawals of 75 and deposits of around 190 so down only 40 dis week, ps never win with comps lol even though it was very generous 30 quid

All in all i keep going back there is because of the CS and the huge cache of games,

Igor would u be adding netent games in the future as some of there games aren't as high variance as MG and i dont quite like the other softwares

Thanks for the comps again

looking forward to those NetEnts too I much prefer the multi-softwares to one-skew. Realllllly hoping they add those Aristos as well - they're harder to come across

 

[Igor82]

Yes in the last 3 days, made 2 very small withdrawals of 75 and deposits of around 190 so down only 40 dis week, ps never win with comps lol even though it was very generous 30 quid

All in all i keep going back there is because of the CS and the huge cache of games,

Igor would u be adding netent games in the future as some of there games aren't as high variance as MG and i dont quite like the other softwares

Thanks for the comps again

We are undergoing licencing for NetEnt games which usually takes 6-12 weeks, so i would expect them in our portfolio by (very latest) early December.

As for comps, eventually there will be a spin that will pay over the top and enable you to withdraw from it. Not every comp will ever guarantee a win, just like no deposit will either

Several players here actually managed a cashout from a comp which is always really cool to see

 

[dionysus]

We are undergoing licencing for NetEnt games which usually takes 6-12 weeks, so i would expect them in our portfolio by (very latest) early December.

As for comps, eventually there will be a spin that will pay over the top and enable you to withdraw from it. Not every comp wioll ever guarantee a win, just like no deposit will either

Few players here actually managed a cashout from a comp which is always really cool to see

lol, I hope you meant 'a few' rather than 'few'

 

[Igor82]

lol, I hope you meant 'a few' rather than 'few'

Lol, edited! If i'm not mistaken, i think you actually bought half a fridge off a comp

 

[dionysus]

LOl, edited! If i'm not mistaken, i think you actually bought half a fridge of a comp

lmfao, @ edit reason
Picky maybe, but in English 'few' and 'a few' make a huuuuuge difference in meaning. A few has a positive connotation. Few has a negative one
(Dio, ex-English teacher..stay in school, kids!)

Yupyup, on the fridge - loving it too.