Brexit - whats the difference.....

[Kroffe]

UK Fishing Industry shows £300m+ loss as a result of Brexit as opposed to the £148m boost that Brexit was sold on the back of.

Still, at least the fish are 'happier' now, according to Rees-Mogg.

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"Brexit balance sheet for fishing shows £300m-plus losses instead of net gain"

You would think a fisherman would know all there i to know about net gain.

I was worried the topic would never return back to fish, but when you least expect it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That clip is actually a very good visual metaphor for what Brexit did to the UK.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@dunover

The catastrophe may yet happen! Hopefully there will still be traditional pigs in blankets, made possible by EU butchers.

 

[dunover]

@dunover

The catastrophe may yet happen! Hopefully there will still be traditional pigs in blankets, made possible by EU butchers.

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Well, that's a fucking catastrophe! I mean, the insurmoutable issue of buying a bag or tray of cocktail sausages and a pack of streaky bacon (already in my freezer) and making our own. Brexit's really fucked my Christmas up.

 

[dunover]

"Brexit balance sheet for fishing shows £300m-plus losses instead of net gain"

You would think a fisherman would know all there i to know about net gain.

I was worried the topic would never return back to fish, but when you least expect it.

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Even the sea thinks remoaners are wets....

 

[Kroffe]

Wtf...now the gif smells like politics.
Was going to download it again after i finished showing it, but now i think ill just leave it.

This is why we cant have nice things.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Wtf...now the gif smells like politics.
Was going to download it again after i finished showing it, but now i think ill just leave it.

This is why we cant have nice things.

You come into the Brexit thread waving a fish around Kroffe, I can't make any promises as to what will happen to it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well, that's a fucking catastrophe! I mean, the insurmoutable issue of buying a bag or tray of cocktail sausages and a pack of streaky bacon (already in my freezer) and making our own. Brexit's really fucked my Christmas up.

It's getting the sausages and bacon made that's potentially going to be the issue.

Yeah I know, Mail Online, but the fundamentals of the story are correct.

I guess we could fill the gaps with EU sausages and bacon

 

[pinnit2014]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day

Give Choppers the same fish and you'll create another 183 pages.

 

[dunover]

It's getting the sausages and bacon made that's potentially going to be the issue.

Yeah I know, Mail Online, but the fundamentals of the story are correct.

I guess we could fill the gaps with EU sausages and bacon

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Do you not have freezers in the IoM?

 

[goatwack]

Wouldn't fret over worker shortages for Christmas or beyond, not with Dominic Raab's proposal to allow prisoners to drive HGV lorries.

I mean what does it really matter if criminals are out doing our deliveries really, as long as Tarquin gets his Playstation 5 for Christmas

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do you not have freezers in the IoM?

I have to confess that my mother-in-law (who is an awesome cook) organises the meats, gravy and stuffing side of Christmas food, me and Mrs Chopley just do the veggies and spuds and whatnot.

My mother-in-law gets the meats from a local butcher who sources from Manx farms, so we should be insulated against Brexit 'dividends' in that regard

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sorry for the multiple posts but we really are into the realms of farce now, I had to do a double check on this to make sure it wasn't some sort of late April's Fool wind-up.

The UK Government's Department of Transport has written to thousands of Germans who live in the UK to ask them if they want a job driving a goods vehicle. The reason for this is that German driving licences issued before 1999 include an entitlement to drive small to medium-sized trucks of up to 7.5 tonnes. By all accounts just about every German living in the UK who who holds such a licence has been sent one of these letters, the vast majority of course have never driven a goods vehicle ever in their life.

The best thing about the whole story is the pure sass of a German guy who received one of these letters.

Honestly, I swear I'm not making it up.

And the worst thing about all of this? We did it to ourselves.

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[geordiecolin]

Wouldn't fret over worker shortages for Christmas or beyond, not with Dominic Raab's proposal to allow prisoners to drive HGV lorries.

I mean what does it really matter if criminals are out doing our deliveries really, as long as Tarquin gets his Playstation 5 for Christmas

If only the transportation issues where only about a driver issue when it comes to electronics

 

[ChopleyIOM]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE - EVERYTHING IS FINE

Nothing to do with Brexit of course, but we're trying to fix the problem by reversing Brexit rule changes and getting a load of people from other countries to come here and work.

And nothing says things are going well like getting the army to drive fuel tankers. You know where else in Europe is having to do that? Absolutely bloody nowhere. Just us.

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[Daavid63]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE - EVERYTHING IS FINE

Nothing to do with Brexit of course, but we're trying to fix the problem by reversing Brexit rule changes and getting a load of people from other countries to come here and work.

And nothing says things are going well like getting the army to drive fuel tankers. You know where else in Europe is having to do that? Absolutely bloody nowhere. Just us.

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God you don't half waffle on Chopley. How about giving a true global aspect of supply chain problems, did the rest of the globe vote Brexit as well then??

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"Mr Halligan affirms in his opinion piece that the current supply chain dilemma is by no means unique to Britain.

He added in the Telegraph that "whatever the diehard anti-Brexiteers tell you" all across the globe, "companies are grappling with global shipping problems, tight supplies of steel, wood, semiconductors and other vital inputs, plus Covid-related staff shortages"

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Is this The Express you're talking about? They've certainly been bang on the money with everything Brexit related so far!

And a shortage is not the same as a crisis, the UK is at crisis point in many areas, the rest of Europe is experiencing shortages but fundamentally things are carrying on as normal.

Queues at petrol stations in Europe. Zero.

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[Daavid63]

Is this The Express you're talking about? They've certainly been bang on the money with everything Brexit related so far!

And a shortage is not the same as a crisis, the UK is at crisis point in many areas, the rest of Europe is experiencing shortages but fundamentally things are carrying on as normal.

Queues at petrol stations in Europe. Zero.

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Lets dissect the BS.

"The UK is at crisis points in many areas"

Actually the Balkans in 1991 was a crisis, the UK has a few issues with supply and demand, the same as the rest of the world. The fuel problem is due to the hype from the media, BBC luvvie created for the sheeple. I run a couple vans, had no problems getting fuel except on 1 day. Vested interests stoking "We have a fuel crisis"

The Dutch trade union official....Trade Union official is the clue.

Empty shelves: What empty shelves, just been shopping, things are normal.

SPD leader Olaf Scholz: Hardly going to send any HGV drivers when they are 40k short themselves, will never admit Brexit is great for the UK as the Germans only want a federal Europe, and a European army as they are sick of getting their asses kicked in a war. ??

Really if its so bad in the UK should you not be moving to Venezuela, Cuba or Zimbabwe to live the dream?

 

[pinnit2014]

Round here it was just the one day, heading south here in Scotland i noticed it but bar that, not really much to report on. Stuff being posted, all quite dramatic, that Morrisons was out; the Gulf, 2 mins round the corner had all theirs open/full so bit baffling why some folk were having a mental breakdown at the supermarket one being out.

Don't think here has been as badly hit, some have introduced a 30 quid limit though which, given i only have 25 quid in my account, is fine.

But yeah, i've been waiting to see these empty supermarket shelves since last year - i read about them in certain, cough, newspapers but actually seeing one, not so much.

 

[goatwack]

Apparently the fuel shortages are at their peak in the South-East of London, with some stations charging £2.68 a litre? It's from the Daily Mail, so I have no reason to doubt its validity.

Also heart-warming to hear Rishi Sunak fearing not giving his kids a proper Christmas, with the very real possibility of no toys and no pigs-in-blankets. Because I can really see him and his kin going without.

What odds the media have overblown the entire 'crisis', and the resultant shortages are a direct result of the usual group of hoarding dumb- dumbs? Only for the panic-buying to peter out and Boris to proclaim himself the saviour of Christmas? ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The whole 'there are no shortages here so there are no shortages' is such a strange position to adopt, it's like, I'm not starving so there are no starving people in the world.

As goaty correctly notes above, it's the South East and particularly London that are hardest hit with the fuel shortage issue. I filled my car up the other day no problem, but I don't then conclude this means that there are no fuel shortages anywhere in the UK. I mean, the actual army are being trained to drive fuel tankers, this is not a normal situation.

As for bringing the world wars into the equation, which (checks notes) finished in 1918 and 1945 - really? Is that where we're at? Classy. Very classy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A reminder of some other Express crystal ball gazing.

I'll say one thing for Brexit, it's probably done more to ensure the long term survival of the EU than any other single factor for decades.

2018 prediction.

2021 reality.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

As for bringing the world wars into the equation, which (checks notes) finished in 1918 and 1945 - really? Is that where we're at? Classy. Very classy.

The hypocrisy in this post…dear lord.

 

[goatwack]

I think we should take a moment to facepalm in unison at the media's making up another cringe-inducing 'buzzword' of the current zeitgeist, to go with 'Broken Britain', 'Credit Crunch' et al.

In this case we now have an 'EFFing crisis', i.e a perfect storm of raised energy, fuel, and food prices.

Yes, it's real

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Report from the Financial Times.

French and Polish turkeys are coming to rescue Christmas. Also note, because the UK government knows that we're not even remotely prepared to do all the customs, health, sanitary and other checks that we should be applying to food imports, the whole lot is just going to get waved into the country. UK businesses trying to sell to the EU of course, don't have that privilege because the EU, unlike the UK, actually took Brexit seriously and implemented what it represented.

 

[Daavid63]

Euro zone inflation hits highest level in 13 years as energy prices soar​

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Must be Brexit again.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't even remotely understand what your point is, 'things aren't perfect in other countries' is completely irrelevant to the harms that Brexit is causing in the UK, which are now very well documented, with sources and evidence, in this thread. If the best you can offer in terms of a Brexit defence is saying, 'Look over there, energy price inflation!' then we're in a pretty rough spot.

Where's the good stuff? Brexit was supposed to be about making things better, and I ain't seen much of that so far.

 

[goatwack]

Read about a recent survey that indicated two thirds of people blame our current predicament on the Tories, with the other third attributable to Brexit

No idea where the survey was conducted or its overall credibility, it may well have been at the Labour conference a few days ago, but I think the overwhelming feeling is that this bunch of Tories are truly bungling it up, which wouldn't be a stretch.

 

[goatwack]

Liz Truss now pinning any upcoming shortages and failings on businesses, whilst absolving the Government of any accountability, as part of the period of 'adjustment' after Brexit....

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[dunover]

What must worry @ChopleyIOM is that they are still ahead of Liebore in the polls...somehow?

 

[interlog]

Write a piece in some trash newspaper that we're going to run out of pigs and blankets come Christmas, and it will only result in the sheeple starting to hoard that shit, just as happened with the toilet paper etc. at the start of Covid.

 

[Daavid63]

I don't even remotely understand what your point is, 'things aren't perfect in other countries' is completely irrelevant to the harms that Brexit is causing in the UK, which are now very well documented, with sources and evidence, in this thread. If the best you can offer in terms of a Brexit defence is saying, 'Look over there, energy price inflation!' then we're in a pretty rough spot.

Where's the good stuff? Brexit was supposed to be about making things better, and I ain't seen much of that so far.

The point is you are saying Brexit is to blame for everything, even Dunovers farts when he streams.

The issue is a global shortage and a variety of logistical problems including local and national. The fact you try and blame a shortage of lorry drivers on Brexit is bollox as the EU has a massive shortage themselves.

Labour at the last election stood on a Marxist platform, peoples vote, blah blah blah and got smashed, because the majority of the population are not brainwashed by the Corbynista, N London luvvies.

As for your premise about making things better, I'm happy as Larry and give it another 5/10 years when we have truly relinquished the EU shackles, I will be like a pig in shit.

Do you know drunk Steve by any chance? Serious question, that's the guy who shouts NOOOOOO Brexit with the big hat and placards, was always near the green at the H of P?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The point is you are saying Brexit is to blame for everything, even Dunovers farts when he streams.

And that's the exact opposite of what I've done, with ample evidence in the very thread you're actually posting to.

Is Brexit entirely to blame for everything that's gone to shit? No, of course it isn't, and I haven't claimed that. (Find a post where I do claim that. Spoiler alert - you won't.)

Is Brexit a contributory factor to a wide ranging number of issues the UK is facing at the moment? Yes, it is. Including the LGV driver shortage, because we lost ~20,000 EU drivers post-Brexit.

There are posts I made like this just a few pages back, so your assertions that I'm blaming everything on Brexit literally fall apart with the merest hint of introduction to the facts of the case - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-177#post-1216759

Or this reply to mack not that long ago too.

 

[mack341]

Sat here as a not-labour voter and pro brexit person [non binary ? also with lfc vs mcfc playing on the radio] it is hard to determine how much blame should be apportioned to boris's stewardship, how much is being blown up. The press/media have a broad remain-rejoin agenda.

1 nil yess!

 

[goatwack]

It would be unfair on Chopley to list all the benefits Brexit has brought, as the list is simply too long

 

[mack341]

Oh no knew that was a mistake 1-1, no more football updates from me!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Here's a hot-take, it's a chance to destroy modern supply chains!

So as long as you live within walking distance of some cows, you'll be fine.

 

[goatwack]

When they said Build Back Better, I didn't envisage having to use horse and cart to buy milk, nor did I think it meant grabbing a pickaxe to go turkey hunting. Makes one wonder what strain of Indica some of these MPs are blazing ?

On another note, I see my neck of the woods takes pride of place in idiocy, as seemingly no one can get a drop of diesel bloody anywhere

All the more surprising as most people round here are either e-scooting terrified pavement-dwellers to death, BMXing like stoned Matt Hoffmans, or foregoing their own transportation methods by carjacking innocents

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[geordiecolin]

The point is you are saying Brexit is to blame for everything, even Dunovers farts when he streams.

Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU. His Indian Curry's are responsible for his farting and streaming

 

[dunover]

Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU. His Indian Curry's are responsible for his farting and streaming

Yes, but according to @ChopleyIOM I should be famished, starving now we've left the EU. As food is a prerequisite to good farts and generates the gas, theoretically I should find any kind of flatulence impossible. All you should hear is my stomach rumbling, which sings in a different key, a sort of baritone compared to the near falsettto of the farts. Another benefit is the fact I don't have to observe the EU emissions regs either, even if I did I would do a VW and falsify them.

 

[dunover]

I can't wait for @ChopleyIOM to sing the praises of this fervent remainer, I wonder if private Eye will do a job on him next issue??

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[geordiecolin]

Yes, but according to @ChopleyIOM I should be famished, starving now we've left the EU. As food is a prerequisite to good farts and generates the gas, theoretically I should find any kind of flatulence impossible. All you should hear is my stomach rumbling, which sings in a different key, a sort of baritone compared to the near falsettto of the farts. Another benefit is the fact I don't have to observe the EU emissions regs either, even if I did I would do a VW and falsify them.

I am so pleased that you took my last comment the right way. If it had gone the wrong way you would probably have not made it to the bog!
And your cats protestations in the background of your vids would be unbearable!
The fact is that what we are seeing is developing into almost a world wide event.
Look at China to see why the chain of events are happening around the world. And look at how complicit America has become in it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I can't wait for @ChopleyIOM to sing the praises of this fervent remainer, I wonder if private Eye will do a job on him next issue??

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Ahhh so it's another one of those, 'Look over there, a bee!' deflections. Tony Blair was last in office back in 2007, yes he was a remainer but he had precisely zero to do with calling the referendum or the implementation of Brexit. (And indeed, the alarm bells he did sound along with John Major on Northern Ireland, for example, have proven to be entirely valid.)

TBH it speaks to the obvious bombsite that is Brexit that this is what the Leave side is increasingly reduced to (not just here at CM, but out in the wider world too), pointing the finger elsewhere whilst furiously insisting that the problems the UK is facing are nothing to do with Brexit. (Although I note Johnson and the Tories have now pivoted to saying the labour shortages are the whole point of Brexit with admirably audacious speed.)

Ultimately you've got nothing, nada, zip. Brexit is a busted flush, it's a con job, and it's been exposed as a con job, in online casino terms it's the worst kind of scam artist clip joint that steals deposits, never pays withdrawals, and runs hacked slots on 60% RTPs. 'Look, Tony Blair, who is a remainer, was hiding money overseas, something something but nothing to do with Brexit'.

I'll ask again, but I know I'm wasting my time because there are no answers, where's the good stuff? Where are the Brexit dividends we were all promised? I see Daavid above is cheerfully telling us to give it another 5-10 years and maybe we'll have something to show for it, they didn't put that on the side of a bus did they?

Brexit is the scam of the century, the difference now as opposed to a year ago, is people can see the scam for what it is, and it's only going to become more obvious what a scam it is as the months roll on.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Back in January this guy started a Twitter thread documenting Brexit harms, he said he'd stop when he got to 1000.

He got to 1000 at the end of September.

One thousand individually documented Brexit harms.

I wonder where the thread documenting Brexit dividends is.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is quite something. Lord Frost attacks what Lord Frost negotiated, months after Lord Frost praised what Lord Frost negotiated.

Or rather, unelected bureaucrat attacks what unelected bureaucrat negotiated, months after unelected bureaucrat praised what unelected bureaucrat negotiated.

There's something slightly surreal about watching him stand in front of the Tory Conference (and remember, he isn't an MP, he's an unelected bureaucrat) and telling the somewhat unimpressed attendees how utterly shit his Brexit deal is.

 

[goatwack]

Skimming through the latter parts of this segment and seeing Chopley's questioning what Brexit has yielded, as a 'before and after' analysis of the current situation, I stumbled upon this catchy headline. Thought it quite apt!

 

[Webzcas]

Write a piece in some trash newspaper that we're going to run out of pigs and blankets come Christmas, and it will only result in the sheeple starting to hoard that shit, just as happened with the toilet paper etc. at the start of Covid.

Main Stream Media have a lot of answer for. A mere mention that we are collectively running low at the pumps and anyone with a vehicle is queuing up to panic buy.

However, I was in West Wales on Saturday, took my dog for company and whilst walking her in a small town in Carmarthenshire called Newcastle Emlyn, came across this pub.

Great bit of marketing

 

[ChopleyIOM]

They need us more than we need them update.

 

[goatwack]

I think you'll find that's changed, as it's now in the hundred(s) ahem

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[ChopleyIOM]

You are indeed correct goatwack the number seems to have shifted since the story I linked above was written. It's quite an audacious change of tack though, previously the Tory line was 'Nothing to do with Brexit it's a global shortage so totally not our fault' and now the line is, 'It is due to Brexit and that's the whole point because we're transitioning to a high wage economy but it is still also a global shortage so also totally not our fault'. (The main thing being, of course, that it is never, ever, ever, the fault of Brexit, it must always be Someone Else's Fault.)

And yes it may be a global shortage, but we're the only country in Europe that still has dry forecourts. (Around 20-30% down in London and the South East, apparently.)

As has also been noted, why on earth would EU drivers want to come to the UK for 3-6 months on temporary visas, with all the added extra Brexit red tape, to get booted back out at the end of it, when their skills are in high demand all across the EU, where they can work without any fuss across all the member states?

The interesting thing about the current Johnson line is that it's measurable, if people aren't better off in a year or two, and certainly by the next election, they can point straight back at him telling everyone they were going to be, and against a backdrop of both rising taxes and inflation, and the cut in universal credit (about 40% of the recipients of UC are in paid employment) - that'll be a tricky manoeuvre to pull off.