Brexit - whats the difference.....

[ChopleyIOM]

UK Food & Drink Federation asks government to waive aspects of competition laws in a No Deal Brexit scenario so they can (hopefully) avoid food shortages.

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The FDF's chief operating officer Tim Rycroft said: "In the event of no-deal disruption, if the government wants the food supply chain to work together to tackle likely shortages - to decide where to prioritise shipments - they will have to provide cast-iron written reassurances that competition law will not be strictly applied to those discussions."

The change in date for the UK to leave the European Union from the end of March to the end of October is also causing problems for the food industry as it relies more heavily on Europe for fresh food at this time of year.

There is also a lack of warehouse space available for stockpiling.

One retailer said that 31 October "is about the worst day you can pick," because warehouse capacity is at 105% in November, versus 75-80% in March.

They said that the UK would need 30 massive empty warehouses to store just a week's extra food supply.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Now your logic has really 'jumped off a cliff'.

So if the nightmare of Corbum winning a GE comes to pass, can the 65-70% who didn't vote for him demand a 're-vote'??

Of course they get a 're-vote', it'd be called the next general election.

Which apparently isn't something that can ever be countenanced for an advisory referendum where one side has been proven to have behaved in a criminal fashion, as well as predicating their entire campaigning position on a pack of outright lies.

 

[bamberfishcake]

So what about the 48% of Remain voters who didn't vote to jump off a cliff?

What about the folks within the 52% who voted to Leave who weren't actually voting to jump off a cliff, and who believed what they were told about what a great and easy deal the UK would get?

To use the WWII evocations that dunover is so fond of, imagine if the folks in the shelters during the Blitz had learned that 52% of the people in there had voted for the bombs.....

I get it I really do and it may not be the best thing for us in the short term but there is a huge economic shift and the rest of the world is wrangling with the US for a share of the pie so I feel there is opportunity for trade deals with China, and Brazil hardly gets a mention but is emerging as a big contender.

I just think its bigger than Brexit. Its about the UK government not doing as they are appointed to do. On a personal level I think politics is a farce in the UK and states. These people are supposed to be at the helm of governments and they act like clowns or kids in the playground.

We had a vote, thats democratic. To not honour that vote is the mark of a dictatorship. We've invaded governments who have done that.

Guess we will have to just wait and see what happens but I just cant see there is no variety of choice for trade. Were not obliged to trade with anyone. We should be powerhouse we have the capability and infrastructure and financial structure to be.

 

[dunover]

Of course they get a 're-vote', it'd be called the next general election.

Which apparently isn't something that can ever be countenanced for an advisory referendum where one side has been proven to have behaved in a criminal fashion, as well as predicating their entire campaigning position on a pack of outright lies.

No, but the reamoaners wanted a re-vote virtually from day 1. And a GE at least gives the incumbent government a chance to act on the decision of the electorate, for a maximum of 5 years. So where's the enacting of Brexit, we voted for, before the democracy deniers stop pissing their pants about a re-vote?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

No, but the reamoaners wanted a re-vote virtually from day 1. And a GE at least gives the incumbent government a chance to act on the decision of the electorate, for a maximum of 5 years. So where's the enacting of Brexit, we voted for, before the democracy deniers stop pissing their pants about a re-vote?

There's no democratic mandate for a No Deal Brexit, none at all. It wasn't even mentioned during the referendum campaign as an outside possibility (something Raab is now lying his ass off about and of course has been shown up for the liar he is), so it's impossible to claim that any significant number of people really 'knew what they were voting for' as we stare down the barrel of fucking food shortages amongst other self-inflicted wounds.

I accept the result of the referendum and for the record feel a Norway style arrangement would have been an acceptable means of leaving the EU, even though I'd have rather stayed in. What I won't accept however, without an argument, is the kamikaze No Deal Brexit that has somehow been not only normalised but is now actively and enthusiastically pursued by congenital liars, charlatans and frauds such as Boris Fucking Johnson and Nigel Fucking Farage.

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[dunover]

There's no democratic mandate for a No Deal Brexit, none at all. It wasn't even mentioned during the referendum campaign as an outside possibility (something Raab is now lying his ass off about and of course has been shown up for the liar he is), so it's impossible to claim that any significant number of people really 'knew what they were voting for' as we stare down the barrel of fucking food shortages amongst other self-inflicted wounds.

I accept the result of the referendum and for the record feel a Norway style arrangement would have been an acceptable means of leaving the EU, even though I'd have rather stayed in. What I won't accept however, without an argument, is the kamikaze No Deal Brexit that has somehow been not only normalised but is now actively and enthusiastically pursued by congenital liars, charlatans and frauds such as Boris Fucking Johnson and Nigel Fucking Farage.

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Norway it totally unacceptable as we would have no control over immigration. Having become the most densely-populated country in the EU, even overtaking Holland, that was one of the big attractions for the leavers.

And you'd prefer the congenital cretins like Corbyn, Swinson and Bartley/Berry to pull the strings?

If you want to blame someone for a no-deal Brexit, look no further than the traitorous MP's and their self-serving egos.

 

[interlog]

So when is dooms day then?

Food shortages? Yeah right

 

[dunover]

So when is dooms day then?

Food shortages? Yeah right

Yep. Mass anorexia is imminent for the UK. Will we get an Oxfam advert on world TV to help us? Perhaps the Ethiopians will host Live Aid 2 to assist, or will Bob Geldof hire Lansdowne Road for a 'Feed the Remainers' benefit concert?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

There's been a huge fight back from the propaganda peddlers since Boris came into power, along with the threat of no deal. Very coincidental how project fear ramps up at the very same time we start talking big.

One last push to try and derail Brexit and sway public opinion IMO. Completely transparent, but of course the remainers amongst us lap it up.

Some remainers make me laugh when they try and come from the angle that the establishment wants Brexit to be able to cash in on it. They must be living in some kind of alternate universe because all the establishment has done is fight against it. That in itself should tell you that Brexit is absolutely the right thing to pursue.

 

[goatwack]

Gonna take a stab in the dark here, don't shoot me down, but I predict Britain will still be afloat this time next year

 

[dunover]

Santa Klaus will stop coming though - he was Dutch I believe and may not get a temporary work permit.

 

[steveh35]

I always love this "what about the 48%" if it had been 52% remain 48% leave what would the 48% have got from that result @ChopleyIOM absolutely bugger all that's what.

 

[mack341]

And it was 52/48 with every media outlet, govt depts, using the dark arts to scare the public for months on end. If we'd had a fairer debate and examination of the issues, the leave result would likely have been stronger. Also this map from the university of oxford tells you all you need to know about the result:

Does that even look remotely close?

Scotland wanted to remain but to my mind they've never born the brunt of the negative effects of 'free movement', crime, overcrowding, too much demand on public services, housing and health etc..

London is a strong labour area with a massive population and large numbers of people who do have a foreign heritage/background, they possibly saw brexit as a 'racism' issue so voted remain. Crime, social problems, homelessness and over demand for services is most prevalent in the london area, however the labour voters there must think the govt can just shake the magic money tree and solve all those problems, and keeping our doors open to millions more looking for work and housing is a good, sensible idea

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I always love this "what about the 48%" if it had been 52% remain 48% leave what would the 48% have got from that result

They would have been denied the sparkling opportunity to blow their own kneecaps off.

I give up, have your No Deal Brexit.

No one's saying the UK will starve or sink into the sea, but watch who does well out of it (hint, the mega rich and disaster capitalist billionaires), and watch who gets fucked to some extent or another (hint, pretty much everyone else).

I'm done banging my head against this particular brick wall.

Good luck. You'll need it.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

They would have been denied the sparkling opportunity to blow their own kneecaps off.

I give up, have your No Deal Brexit.

No one's saying the UK will starve or sink into the sea, but watch who does well out of it (hint, the mega rich and disaster capitalist billionaires), and watch who gets fucked to some extent or another (hint, pretty much everyone else).

I'm done banging my head against this particular brick wall.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Very good of you sir to allow an alternative argument to your own

 

[interlog]

They would have been denied the sparkling opportunity to blow their own kneecaps off.

I give up, have your No Deal Brexit.

No one's saying the UK will starve or sink into the sea, but watch who does well out of it (hint, the mega rich and disaster capitalist billionaires), and watch who gets fucked to some extent or another (hint, pretty much everyone else).

I'm done banging my head against this particular brick wall.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Well, if there are food shortages (sorry, I meant fucking food shortages), then surely there are going to be some people that will starve.

Empty shelves in the supermarkets, crops that don't get harvested because of a labour shortage and we can't stock now because we have no warehouse space available to store it ( well there are 1,234 in London alone -

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[vorcirion]

They would have been denied the sparkling opportunity to blow their own kneecaps off.

I give up, have your No Deal Brexit.

No one's saying the UK will starve or sink into the sea, but watch who does well out of it (hint, the mega rich and disaster capitalist billionaires), and watch who gets fucked to some extent or another (hint, pretty much everyone else).

I'm done banging my head against this particular brick wall.

Good luck. You'll need it.

It's pretty impossible to have a reasonable argument with these people They don't care about the facts. They just have the nationalist ideology and they'll justify Brexit with any means necessary. They don't care how much harm come to their country/people...they just want brexit. And if they get their Brexit...EU should use their weakened state to our advantage. Get the best possible deal for EU citizens with all the leverage we have. Plus that 39 billion or whatever it was. And go go Scotland *\o/* Get your independence from these people.

 

[goatwack]

Come on everybody!

♫ Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves ♫

 

[interlog]

Come on everybody!

♫ Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves ♫

Reported for racism

 

[dunover]

It's pretty impossible to have a reasonable argument with these people They don't care about the facts. They just have the nationalist ideology and they'll justify Brexit with any means necessary. They don't care how much harm come to their country/people...they just want brexit. And if they get their Brexit...EU should use their weakened state to our advantage. Get the best possible deal for EU citizens with all the leverage we have. Plus that 39 billion or whatever it was. And go go Scotland *\o/* Get your independence from these people.

If it wasn't for the Scottish leave vote, albeit a minority there, we would have lost the referendum.

You lot can continue to pour hundreds of millions a year into the pseudo-parliament in Brussels, spend your equally artificial currency, subsidize inefficient farms and make catalogues of rules and regulations to keep even more taxpayer-funded parasites in well-paid jobs, also not paying your fair share of defence costs. Happy days!

 

[vorcirion]

If it wasn't for the Scottish leave vote, albeit a minority there, we would have lost the referendum.

You lot can continue to pour hundreds of millions a year into the pseudo-parliament in Brussels, spend your equally artificial currency, subsidize inefficient farms and make catalogues of rules and regulations to keep even more taxpayer-funded parasites in well-paid jobs, also not paying your fair share of defence costs. Happy days!

Mack gave a quite nice map. Read it.

 

[Gaz237]

There's no democratic mandate for a No Deal Brexit, none at all. It wasn't even mentioned during the referendum campaign as an outside possibility (something Raab is now lying his ass off about and of course has been shown up for the liar he is), so it's impossible to claim that any significant number of people really 'knew what they were voting for' as we stare down the barrel of fucking food shortages amongst other self-inflicted wounds.

I accept the result of the referendum and for the record feel a Norway style arrangement would have been an acceptable means of leaving the EU, even though I'd have rather stayed in. What I won't accept however, without an argument, is the kamikaze No Deal Brexit that has somehow been not only normalised but is now actively and enthusiastically pursued by congenital liars, charlatans and frauds such as Boris Fucking Johnson and Nigel Fucking Farage.

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Food shortages LOL.

Plenty of farm shops around here selling their produce. The butchers in the village only sells local meat. Milk and bread is produced here. People need to make a bit more of an effort, rather than expecting everything to be at the supermarket.

The only reason there could be shortages, is because people will stockpile. Like they do if we get a days snow. Nobody is going to die because a bit of cheese is stuck at the border

So nobody will be going hungry.

 

[steveh35]

It's pretty impossible to have a reasonable argument with these people They don't care about the facts. They just have the nationalist ideology and they'll justify Brexit with any means necessary. They don't care how much harm come to their country/people...they just want brexit. And if they get their Brexit...EU should use their weakened state to our advantage. Get the best possible deal for EU citizens with all the leverage we have. Plus that 39 billion or whatever it was. And go go Scotland *\o/* Get your independence from these people.

4 lines of the biggest B*llsh*t ever spoken and as for Scotland Scotland has to undo 300 years of red tape and get a deal with UK so go for it Scotland see what the UK offers you as a deal.

 

[dunover]

Mack gave a quite nice map. Read it.

I did, you clearly didn't. ​

Our country is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
The UK had a vote as a whole, not 4 separate regions. The fact that Scotland and N.I. voted remain in their regions and England and Wales leave is completely and constitutionally irrelevant. About as relevant as London voting to remain.
All I pointed out to you was that the amount of leave voters in the Scottish region were crucial in 'leave' winning the referendum.

 

[steveh35]

I did, you clearly didn't.
Our country is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
The UK had a vote as a whole, not 4 separate regions. The fact that Scotland and N.I. voted remain in their regions and England and Wales leave is completely and constitutionally irrelevant. About as relevant as London voting to remain.
All I pointed out to you was that the amount of leave voters in the Scottish region were crucial in 'leave' winning the referendum.

Well said it is like saying parts of Aberdeen voted to leave but you don't hear Aberdeen going we voted leave because it was a UK vote not an English, Welsh, NI or Scottish vote it was a UK vote they should not have revealed the results in regions just the one result.

 

[dunover]

Well said it is like saying parts of Aberdeen voted to leave but you don't hear Aberdeen going we voted leave because it was a UK vote not an English, Welsh, NI or Scottish vote it was a UK vote they should not have revealed the results in regions just the one result.

Well you can't hide regional votes as the electoral system and polling centres are always constituency-based as with a General Election, so we get constituency results. If the regional results were kept quiet, we wouldn't have had the pleasure of watching Wee Jimmy Krankie jumping up and down and waving her little arms.

 

[steveh35]

Well you can't hide regional votes as the electoral system and polling centres are always constituency-based as with a General Election, so we get constituency results. If the regional results were kept quiet, we wouldn't have had the pleasure of watching Wee Jimmy Krankie jumping up and down and waving her little arms.

Its ironic if Scotland had left in their referendum they would be having the same issues with borders and trade deals with us now as the EU would want a border between England and Scotland kinda a sad they didn't vote to leave

 

[nikantw]

If EU was doing the job, Brexit wouldn't win. If democracy was respected by all, UK would have been out with a good deal in less than a year after the vote. Do you think if we had a pan-European referendum with "a good deal" and "no deal" as choices, people in EU would say "no deal"?

Current EU leaders don't care about democracy, don't care about the people, don't care about what is fair. See austerity, see how they deal with Brexit referendum and the Greek referendum and more....

Yet EU is our home. Leaving our home isn't the answer, won't make things better. Take back our home and return to democracy is.

 

[nikantw]

"Shortage of food" isn't a bigger propaganda or "project fear" than the "immigrants take our jobs" or "EU takes our money".

They are all lies. The problem is austerity.
Leaving EU with a no deal won't make things better in any way, it is insane even suggesting that.

 

[geordiecolin]

They would have been denied the sparkling opportunity to blow their own kneecaps off.

I give up, have your No Deal Brexit.

No one's saying the UK will starve or sink into the sea, but watch who does well out of it (hint, the mega rich and disaster capitalist billionaires), and watch who gets fucked to some extent or another (hint, pretty much everyone else).

I'm done banging my head against this particular brick wall.

Good luck. You'll need it.

There is too much that we are not party too or that we will never know about how our Countries systems operate. We only get to know what we have to know and that in itself is predudice.(Sp)

 

[colinsunderland]

Leaving EU with a no deal won't make things better in any way, it is insane even suggesting that.

Seems to be quite a few insane people on this thread

I love political threads on the internet, they always bring out all the sane and rational people

 

[nikantw]

 

[Kroffe]

Theres another alternative.

 

[bamberfishcake]

No one's saying the UK will starve or sink into the sea, but watch who does well out of it (hint, the mega rich and disaster capitalist billionaires), and watch who gets fucked to some extent or another (hint, pretty much everyone else).

I think that is happening now, has happened before the vote for Brexit and will continue to happen leaving or not.

♫ Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves ♫

Love the patriotism. Always preferred this to God Save The Queen,

Yet EU is our home. Leaving our home isn't the answer, won't make things better. Take back our home and return to democracy is.

Great idea, but i wonder how much of a possibility that is with our current leaders/system. If there was a major overhaul, something drastic, like they were removed for lies, corruption and just being crap at their jobs then yeh, why not? Maybe we should get that Anonymous group to do something, trouble is I cant find them.

 

[steveh35]

I've been waiting for a Lost reference, living alone on an island, excluded from the outside world blah blah blah.... if you want to use Lost as a guide the characters in Lost were all better off on the island than in real life, Kate was looking at life in prison or death penalty, Sawyer was king of the jungle off the island he was a conman, John was paralysed off the island and nothing etc etc.

So maybe we will be better off as a desert island like the Lost characters.

 

[colinsunderland]

Pretty much holds true as much today as it did in 1991 when it was made

 

[goatwack]

Spitting Image was the greatest

Like this ditty

 

[cncas2123]

So Caroline Lucas wants an all woman unity government to make sure we have another vote.
How about just letting the current government fulfil the democratic mandate of the referendum and leave the EU??
Pity these pariahs in parliament won’t get their snouts out of the troughs and just vote for a sensible deal and leave on 31st October .

 

[slotplayer]

Brexit maybe occurring at the wrong time with all the chatter I hear about a global recession.

 

[pinnit2014]

So Caroline Lucas wants an all woman unity government to make sure we have another vote.
How about just letting the current government fulfil the democratic mandate of the referendum and leave the EU??
Pity these pariahs in parliament won’t get their snouts out of the troughs and just vote for a sensible deal and leave on 31st October .

With Jo Swinson as Depute - sounds tickety boo

Add Nicola S into the mix and we're just one horseman, or woman, away from the end of civilisation.

 

[steveh35]

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[dunover]

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Jesus! The sum of all fears.

I wonder if he's got a nice message for all his 'safe' constituencies in the NE and NW who heavily supported leave?

Nah, thought not. Treats them with utter contempt knowing that Labour can shit through their letterboxes and they'd still vote for them. Well I hope that stops right now...they deserve better than betrayal.

 

[steveh35]

Jeremy Corbyn planning to put us back in the EU after we have left.

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[Kroffe]

Jeremy Corbyn planning to put us back in the EU after we have left.

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Wonder why...*

*This is just a joke and does not represent Kroffes thoughts on the matter. Discussion will be avoided at all cost, have a great day.

 

[goatwack]

I mean yeah, why not. Let's just alienate half the country and pretend Brexit never happened

Also very future-proof to piss off most of the electorate for subsequent GEs

Almost seems.....no, I can't say it. Almost as though.....Commie Corbyn's a self-serving opportunistic populist tosspot

 

[Kroffe]

Funny article.

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"It will be a nice goodbye to a good friend who is going on an exciting adventure, but is perhaps not too bright,"

 

[steveh35]

Funny article.

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"It will be a nice goodbye to a good friend who is going on an exciting adventure, but is perhaps not too bright,"

Party all you like but we won't be paying the bill for it

 

[Kroffe]

Party all you like but we won't be paying the bill for it

Oh, its not my party, im not even dutch.
Been reading up a bit on brexit, and my personal take is that it looks like a bad move.
Of coruse i hope it will turn out great, but its one of these things that you kind of have to wait and see.
In a couple years we will know if it was good or bad move.

 

[steveh35]

Oh, its not my party, im not even dutch.
Been reading up a bit on brexit, and my personal take is that it looks like a bad move.
Of coruse i hope it will turn out great, but its one of these things that you kind of have to wait and see.
In a couple years we will know if it was good or bad move.

I didn't mean yourself i was talking in general to the people who are organising the party

 

[TheAddict]

"a lapse in editorial standards"

Gotta love the totally unbiased BBC news here in the UK