New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[Jd666]

Past three mornings I have just been giving this 100 or so spins then binning it and going back to the slots I used to play before this slot came along.
Only so much a person can take of playing hundreds of spins to get a 15x bet or less bonus round.
I have enjoyed my past couple of sessions so much better.

And this fooka did this to me the other day, six win cascades I had with the diamonds set up like that and all it gave was shitty little wins.

 

[JkG]

Past three mornings I have just been giving this 100 or so spins then binning it and going back to the slots I used to play before this slot came along.
Only so much a person can take of playing hundreds of spins to get a 15x bet or less bonus round.
I have enjoyed my past couple of sessions so much better.

And this fooka did this to me the other day, six win cascades I had with the diamonds set up like that and all it gave was shitty little wins.

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I was playing yesterday and I was sinful the about of GOL teasers I got. So bad that I went from balance of 150 to bust over it. Its not only on one site either its across multiple casinos.. So the whole version update seems spot on as to be reason why. Very very unfair gaming tbh.
Am just so let down and disgusted by it. It didnt land once and it teased constantly. That's just bloody rip off plain and simple. I loved the game. Why do they keep messing with it, surely they have enough people playing that they don't want need to remove the bonus or change the algorithm so that it's pure loss no matter when or where you play.
I hate going into a game knowing there is O chance and I get that with Bonanza now.

Any BTG rep care to enlighten as to why the format keeps changing without warning

 

[ReggieMac]

Any BTG rep care to enlighten as to why the format keeps changing without warning

Maybe I have missed something in this thread but can you enlighten me as to what has been changed with this game?

 

[JkG]

Maybe I have missed something in this thread but can you enlighten me as to what has been changed with this game?

It was mentioned yesterday that the version has changed in November. It's on the previous page I think

 

[JkG]

obviously it has to do with the new version of the game.version 1.1.17 released 23/11/2017
It used to be a good game.Now it's only ripping money no matter what(bet size-number of spins-time etc).Had to lose over 4000 the last month at 0,60-1.00 bets and over 30000 spins to realize that there was a new version of it.Probably better to throw ur money out the window,then put money in it these days.Check the version at help last page

Here is the post

 

[ReggieMac]

Thank you. Pity they do not detail what it is they changed and why, I have to do exactly that for every iteration of software that I publish but I cant seem to find any details for this game.

 

[orion]

well...after 14 years of online gambling (almost everyday), this game is forcing me for the very first time to TAB*. Months ago, when I read the Lockinlove numbers I was a bit skeptic that a game could give so low results on such a massive number of spins. Well...now I know it is true. As aggravation, in my case I was playing that bloody game on .it casinos, which are terrible.
I had a friendly chat with the manager of the casino where I am more regular, and he told me that MANY players have been totally tilted by Bonanza, and many of them decided to TAB or SE after being slaughtered by this game. He did not expressely tell me, but between the lines I read he is not sure this is the best situation either for them (the casino). Time will tell.
There should be also a ethic point, if it is true that the game configuration has been modified. But I am not sure the world of online casinos and game providers is the best place to talk about ethics.

* I am TABing not because I am broken or because I am tilting, but because I understand I am going to tilt. This game is evil, and in the wrong hands it can do massive damages.
I have been reading this thread and similar ones on other fora, and I never read the point of view of a casino manager. I'd appreciate to know it (also via PM if it could be easier).

 

[ReggieMac]

I have to say, overall, I have been very lucky with this slot and still maintain a modest profit from it. I think my biggest nightmare run was 1700+ spins with no bonus but that was a rarity. Just last night at Rizk I had the bonus within my first 5 spins that paid £187 for £1 spins and a second bonus 107 spins later that unfortunately only paid £17.45 but I still could not honestly say that I have noticed any change in the game play. However, I will consider myself blessed for that!

 

[greylady]

The game has been brutal to me for weeks but it seems to be confined to Videoslots for me - no game play, poor bonus but when I play it anywhere else I seem to get more 'play time' and even the occasional decent win but I do agree this seems to be a different generation of slot that can cause serious trouble (and possible harm) with the speed it takes your money - I feel sorry for people who have no control over not knowing when to call it a day.

 

[assassino]

There is a screenshot from today.It is so obvious that the game has changed the last month...If only we surely knew...
Sooo unfair from BTG,like they need to change the game to "win".Massive profits either way.No need to do that and tilting players.It is pure cheating to have to play 2,3000 spins to have a bonus and get back 5% of your losses trying to get the bonus.I am not talking about one or 2,3,4 times.It is constantly playing like this.Time,day,stake not important

 

[dogshead1]

Absolute Joke and disappointment. 4 scatter re-trigger, 22 spins x7 multiplier 32x stake final payout. WTF is the point. I've now fallen victim to it seen numerous of vids online of the same disappointment. Long gone are the days where these rare events reap you rewards. Sums up the bullshit online gaming industry. It's all a complete farce!

 

[AlexJamesSmith]

Is anyone else finding the bonus actually quite a bit easier to trigger than it used to be - but then it paying a LOT less? The last 4 days I've had 9 bonuses. One paid 200X, and I got one 100X. Had 3 30/40X, but the rest were ALL under 25X lol. (2 were under 10X!

 

[dogshead1]

Is anyone else finding the bonus actually quite a bit easier to trigger than it used to be - but then it paying a LOT less? The last 4 days I've had 9 bonuses. One paid 200X, and I got one 100X. Had 3 30/40X, but the rest were ALL under 25X lol. (2 were under 10X!

I've played over 6000 spins and only had 6 features all less than 50x average has been 20-30. Then whilst playing my last 6quid on 20p spins as I have a bonus on Midaur it got a normal trigger with a 3 scatter re-trigger and hit 440x stake. for 88quid bloddy typical!!!

 

[AlexJamesSmith]

I've played over 6000 spins and only had 6 features all less than 50x average has been 20-30. Then whilst playing my last 6quid on 20p spins as I have a bonus on Midaur it got a normal trigger with a 3 scatter re-trigger and hit 440x stake. for 88quid bloddy typical!!!

Haha, still don't know whether you're meant to be happy in that situation or not!

 

[torors]

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There is a screenshot from today.It is so obvious that the game has changed the last month...If only we surely knew...
Sooo unfair from BTG,like they need to change the game to "win".Massive profits either way.No need to do that and tilting players.It is pure cheating to have to play 2,3000 spins to have a bonus and get back 5% of your losses trying to get the bonus.I am not talking about one or 2,3,4 times.It is constantly playing like this.Time,day,stake not important

The game didn't change, stop spreading lies. Yes, BTG fixed some long-standing issues on the client, but the reel sets and the RNG are still the same.

 

[assassino]

The game didn't change, stop spreading lies. Yes, BTG fixed some long-standing issues on the client, but the reel sets and the RNG are still the same.

I'm just telling my opinion about the game and how it plays since the last version.I am not "spreading" anything
BTG is your friend by the way?

 

[greylady]

The game didn't change, stop spreading lies. Yes, BTG fixed some long-standing issues on the client, but the reel sets and the RNG are still the same.

How did he lie? The game was updated on 23 November 2017 and you only have to read this thread to see there are plenty of people who agree with him - the game has changed.

 

[torors]

How did he lie? The game was updated on 23 November 2017 and you only have to read this thread to see there are plenty of people who agree with him - the game has changed.

Suggesting that a changed version number on the client has affected how the game performs may lead newcomers to the thread to believe that the game did in fact change. Go look at the reel sets that the client receives from the backend upon initialisation - they are the same as on release. The paytable didn't change. The game pulls its random numbers from the same RNG that powers all NextGen titles and others - that sure didn't change.

The game is designed to screw you over in a brilliant, mind-puzzling way. Deal with it

 

[greylady]

Suggesting that a changed version number on the client has affected how the game performs may lead newcomers to the thread to believe that the game did in fact change. Go look at the reel sets that the client receives from the backend upon initialisation - they are the same as on release. The paytable didn't change. The game pulls its random numbers from the same RNG that powers all NextGen titles and others - that sure didn't change.

The game is designed to screw you over in a brilliant, mind-puzzling way. Deal with it

Have you sneaked in from BTG?

 

[nutnut]

Not deposited on this game for weeks, and I feel AMAZING. Seriously guys please boycott this piece of shit slot. It has changed since release date, don't let them tell you otherwise.

I made my first deposit to a casino in weeks tonight(massive £5), and turned it into £250 win on ace ventura and green lantern. Please boycott BGT games, they're pure filth.

merry christmas

 

[lockinlove]

well...after 14 years of online gambling (almost everyday), this game is forcing me for the very first time to TAB*. Months ago, when I read the Lockinlove numbers I was a bit skeptic that a game could give so low results on such a massive number of spins. Well...now I know it is true. As aggravation, in my case I was playing that bloody game on .it casinos, which are terrible.
I had a friendly chat with the manager of the casino where I am more regular, and he told me that MANY players have been totally tilted by Bonanza, and many of them decided to TAB or SE after being slaughtered by this game. He did not expressely tell me, but between the lines I read he is not sure this is the best situation either for them (the casino). Time will tell.
There should be also a ethic point, if it is true that the game configuration has been modified. But I am not sure the world of online casinos and game providers is the best place to talk about ethics.

* I am TABing not because I am broken or because I am tilting, but because I understand I am going to tilt. This game is evil, and in the wrong hands it can do massive damages.
I have been reading this thread and similar ones on other fora, and I never read the point of view of a casino manager. I'd appreciate to know it (also via PM if it could be easier).

Its because doing 2000 spins and finally getting the bonus and it paying 4x will drive alot of people crazy. And I dont know why they designed it the more spins you get the worse the payouts. That only pisses people off I see no edge in doing this. Unless they thought the player wont get their fill and will just continue banging away looking for that hit.

I am not the only one to claim a very big number of spins with a 1000x in sight either. So its not that rare.

I would love to say BTG is ruining people and the industry. But in reality they have created a tonne more action. For every player that loses it and quits they probably gain 4 new ones. The casinos have never been richer thats for sure. I would say a large portion of players deposit just to play BTG.

I know the game has changed since the first month. Thats not out of bitterness, I just know it from my sample size.The first month look at all the people getting high multipliers in the 20's and a few in the 30's. Rarely do we ever see that anymore anywhere. My first month of playing I had dozens of them that high. Since then I did about 400,000 spins and hit the 20's maybe twice. My average bonuses went from 200x-500x to 5x-30x.

It makes me wish I tracked the stats to show how much it changed.

I did do it with reactoonz because I saw everyone all over this forum and twitch hitting the first day of release so I though ok this is a good time to track it and prove that this is a provider releasing a hot slot to get people addicted to it then will change it. My stats do prove that but its not a sample size I can ever post and have people believe in it simply for the reason I dont really play slots much anymore. I deposited $600 in videoslots 2 weeks back and that my biggest deposit by far in many months. And I wont deposit like that again for a long time.

I think when slot providers release a hit, its hot the first bit then they lower it once they reel people in.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I can assure all that the game itself has not changed in the slightest.

Reason is that the math model for this slot is so complex that just a small change would throw it totally off-balance, needing then weeks or months to fix it again. Secondly, changing it would mean they would have to go again through certification by each jurisdiction they are offering it (MGA, UKGC etc). No sane person would do that unless the developers find out that the game has a MAJOR, MAJOR flaw, which it hasn't.

Bonanza, more like any other slots, goes through cycles. Just go back a few pages and see how many screenshots were there with 5OAK or 6OAK diamonds in Free Spins, all within a few days. I had it spitting big wins for three days in a row this week, only to go stone cold in the last 2 days. One bonus round in some 3,000 spins which paid 23x bet. Nothing new and exceptional, TBH

Fact is this slot is not for the faint-hearted as it can wear you off with hours and hours of "nothingburgers" all the while eating deposit after deposit. Rest assured though that some players, who are spinning the reels at the same time as you, will be scoring some good wins on it. In an earlier post, one member pointed out that he could see how many players are active on Bonanza and he stated there were 27,000 of them. Now do your math what the chances are to be the shining star with the ultra big wins on that number. Just take the daily Free Battles at VS with 1,000 players and how difficult it is to place for 5FS, then amplify that by x27.

 

[lockinlove]

I have to say, overall, I have been very lucky with this slot and still maintain a modest profit from it. I think my biggest nightmare run was 1700+ spins with no bonus but that was a rarity. Just last night at Rizk I had the bonus within my first 5 spins that paid £187 for £1 spins and a second bonus 107 spins later that unfortunately only paid £17.45 but I still could not honestly say that I have noticed any change in the game play. However, I will consider myself blessed for that!

One thing I can say is I have very rarely been lucky on this on my first 100 spins. I think ive had the bonus maybe 4-5 times that early. One strategy I started to do when I was doing my challenge was doing 20 cent bets on my first 100 spins and 99.9% of the time it worked out for me. I would only lose $10 on most first 100 spin sessions instead of $50. If I ever got a bonus in my first 100 spins which was super super rare I would be very surprised but they always paid very poorly

 

[lockinlove]

Not deposited on this game for weeks, and I feel AMAZING. Seriously guys please boycott this piece of shit slot. It has changed since release date, don't let them tell you otherwise.

I made my first deposit to a casino in weeks tonight(massive £5), and turned it into £250 win on ace ventura and green lantern. Please boycott BGT games, they're pure filth.

merry christmas

I think you have gotten to the point I got to with it. Next time you deposit and play and it steals your money you will get fed up so much easier and after a few times of this happening you will give up on it. When I played this game a few days ago with my $200 start after about 100 spins I was sort of sick of it but figured I would just stick with it because.

 

[brianmon]

Suggesting that a changed version number on the client has affected how the game performs may lead newcomers to the thread to believe that the game did in fact change. Go look at the reel sets that the client receives from the backend upon initialisation - they are the same as on release. The paytable didn't change. The game pulls its random numbers from the same RNG that powers all NextGen titles and others - that sure didn't change.

The game is designed to screw you over in a brilliant, mind-puzzling way. Deal with it

Whether the games has changed or not. I don't know, since I rarely play it now, after having a 91% RTP over 120,000 spins.

I'll just point out a couple of things though.

The reel sets that are downloaded are just 'display reels'. The real work is done by the internal representation of the 'virtual reels' within the game. (as is the case with most, if not all video slots). If anything was to change, it would be the virtual reels

The RNG is part of the game, server-side. There is no 'master' RNG feeding all the games.

P.S. if anyone wants to read up on virtual reel sets....
slotdesigner.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Elements-of-Slot-Design-2nd-Edition.pdf
(page 12)

 

[brianmon]

For all those people who say they are doing well from Bonanza...

Take the money and run.

I did really well, when I first started playing it, cashing out from most deposits. But it took all that back, and more, The more I played, the lower my RTP became.

Unless you're meticulously logging every single spin, you may find you're not in profit by as much as you think.

I've been using 'Slot Tracker' for the last 6 months. ALL the games I play have eventually balanced out at (or in a few cases, above) their published TRTP after about 100,000 spins. ALL EXCEPT Bonanza. Ok, I've only done 120,000 spins. But it's enough to stop chasing any losses

Here's my stats for 6 months

 

[torors]

Whether the games has changed or not. I don't know, since I rarely play it now, after having a 91% RTP over 120,000 spins.

I'll just point out a couple of things though.

The reel sets that are downloaded are just 'display reels'. The real work is done by the internal representation of the 'virtual reels' within the game. (as is the case with most, if not all video slots). If anything was to change, it would be the virtual reels

The RNG is part of the game, server-side. There is no 'master' RNG feeding all the games.

P.S. if anyone wants to read up on virtual reel sets....
slotdesigner.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Elements-of-Slot-Design-2nd-Edition.pdf
(page 12)

Virtual reels were something used in mechanical stepper machines. Online slots don't need these. DHV, Bonanza et. al already have reels some 178 symbols long.

BTG titles are developed on NextGen's Game Development Module (it runs on OpenBet on some casinos too, just go read the source). GDM give developers a simple interface into player wallet handling, pseudo-random number generation etc. Most providers use some implementation of the Mersenne Twister PRNG today, with the exception of NetEnt, which uses Fortuna. Mersenne Twister and other PRNGs are inherently insecure, as observing the output of these could let an attacker calculate the seed used and consequently compute all future and previous outputs. For this reason, most providers use one instance of the PRNG for all their games to make it impossible for attackers to calculate the seed, because the number of players playing and the frequency at which these players hit the PRNG can't be calculated and used in a timing attack for example. Background cycling is also employed for all PRNGs, making it even harder, if not completely impossible for an attacker to mount a state inference / bruteforce attack.

You can read a fairly recent evaluation report of Thunderkick's PRNG by Quinel here:
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[pinnit2014]

693 x. However, given that i was on 630 with 8 to go and got a retrigger..

Took 500 off me earlier so it's not a '10 quid deposit' feeling.

Got a tilting feeling so going to go back to immortal for a while

 

[brianmon]

Virtual reels were something used in mechanical stepper machines. Online slots don't need these. DHV, Bonanza et. al already have reels some 178 symbols long.

BTG titles are developed on NextGen's Game Development Module (it runs on OpenBet on some casinos too, just go read the source). GDM give developers a simple interface into player wallet handling, pseudo-random number generation etc. Most providers use some implementation of the Mersenne Twister PRNG today, with the exception of NetEnt, which uses Fortuna. Mersenne Twister and other PRNGs are inherently insecure, as observing the output of these could let an attacker calculate the seed used and consequently compute all future and previous outputs. For this reason, most providers use one instance of the PRNG for all their games to make it impossible for attackers to calculate the seed, because the number of players playing and the frequency at which these players hit the PRNG can't be calculated and used in a timing attack for example. Background cycling is also employed for all PRNGs, making it even harder, if not completely impossible for an attacker to mount a state inference / bruteforce attack.

You can read a fairly recent evaluation report of Thunderkick's PRNG by Quinel here:
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So everything that 'Trancemonkey' (a game developer at IGT) is saying in his thread 'Ask me anything about slots' is not true??
Both those points I raised, were questions I'd asked him previously

 

[ReggieMac]

Woohoo! The bullshit 17 spin trigger of doom just dropped in @60p, massive £5.58 win! How the heck do I post an image on this new setup, I want to share my pain?

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Not sure what the heck is going on but went just over 9000 spins with no bonus the past 5 days.

Really starting to wonder if this game should even be licensed with some of the results im seeing and what its capable of

 

[greylady]

Bonanza has become tedious at best, when you have so many sessions of nothingness it becomes just another boring old slot and quickly loses it's initial attraction.

 

[JkG]

The game didn't change, stop spreading lies. Yes, BTG fixed some long-standing issues on the client, but the reel sets and the RNG are still the same.

I haven't noticed Any fixed long standing issues whatsoever. In fact if anything it's gotten buggier. More and more lag on the reels when there is a potential decent win but yet there won't be a win. . Zero bonus rounds in days of play and dead spin after dead spin if you even manage to trigger an bonus.

Nope. Not convinced they've "fixed" any "long standing issues"

 

[dunover]

It seems to me almost 'compensated' - since my 2400 win at 4e it has completely died and seems to follow a pattern of 1200 spins no feature, 3 in the space of 100 spins then a single one 4-500 spins after, then dead for 1k+ spins again. Something is off with the game IMO.

 

[Jono777]

Yeah for sure - It's more like a personalised AWP.

Imagine you played the pub fruity (back in the day) and got the 'streak' and walked away well up. No one else bothered with it that day and you returned and played same machine following day, 99% guaranteed you would lose, this is exactly how Bonanza seems to play these days.

Another thing also, why does the music go a lot quieter and the sounds 'clunkier' during the bonus, it never used to

They also REALLY need to fix the situation where I can tell soon as I click 'spin' whether it is a winner or not, so frustrating.

 

[Gaz237]

Hit my deposit limit for the day at VS on xmas eve. So thought I would give Bonanza a bash at a new casino with a bonus.

Had £300 and played at 40p a spin. Lost about half before the feature came in.

It paid just over 1X (52p) complete joke.

Then swallowed the rest of the £300 in 30mins

 

[BillyGoldblum]

I cannot get a bonus on this game. Im now at 9450 spins with no bonus. How is this even legit for fuck sakes

My new years resolution is to quit BTG all together because I also did 1200 spins on white rabbit and didnt get the bonus and only got $17 of the way to the bonus activation

 

[greylady]

I cannot get a bonus on this game. Im now at 9450 spins with no bonus. How is this even legit for fuck sakes

My new years resolution is to quit BTG all together because I also did 1200 spins on white rabbit and didnt get the bonus and only got $17 of the way to the bonus activation

Give up. You know you are going to be sorely disappointed when it eventually drops in and gives you less than 10x stake - there is something not right about this game.

 

[retired-account-20240528]

I had my worst ever bonus on this game recently. On 40p stake it paid 10p.

Every spin was dead except the last which hit 3oak on 1x multiplier for the 10p. Ouch!

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Give up. You know you are going to be sorely disappointed when it eventually drops in and gives you less than 10x stake - there is something not right about this game.

It wont do anything but Im reporting this slot to the gaming commission. Ive lost $3700 on $1 spins in the past 6 days and 9500 spins and no bonus or win over 54x.

 

[interlog]

It certainly is on a cold streak at the moment. Find it difficult to hit a bonus for love or money.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

9800 spins and no bonus. Gonna keep going til I get it and then send the history to the gaming commission plus my other two histories of over 3000 spins and no bonus. I think this game is completely above and beyond unethical and slot providers should not be allowed to do this

 

[greylady]

9800 spins and no bonus. Gonna keep going til I get it and then send the history to the gaming commission plus my other two histories of over 3000 spins and no bonus. I think this game is completely above and beyond unethical and slot providers should not be allowed to do this

A quote from torors post:
"The game is designed to screw you over in a brilliant, mind-puzzling way. Deal with it "

Funnily enough who has not been seen nor replied when since I asked if he had sneaked in from BTG

 

[slotmaster]

Don't be mad at me, under 100 spins and just got over 200x!

 

[BillyGoldblum]

10,022 spins and got the bonus. Most unethical slot ever made by far

 

[TheAddict]

Gee 10k spins BillyBonanza?.
Ooof. Could get 70 bonuses on doa for that. With no evil intent, i would have liked to have seen your face after that bonus had finished.
I never really play it, maybe put a tenner through all BTG games combined so far. After reading your comment billy i will probably give it 20 spins a month but no more, so if you're still about keep an eye out for a pic of my first ever bonus round sometime during the 2050's.

Sorry to hear about that, what a crock of s..

 

[nikantw]

For me Bonanza is one more of my games. Don't play more on it, lose more on it, bet higher or lower on it, or win more on it.
Just another one of my regulars. Maybe it is how I am right now, after all these years, older and probably wiser.
My last big win (from Bonanza, DoA and other games) was not the biggest of my life, but Is the one I made better use of.

 

[ReggieMac]

Strange but I am seeing quite the opposite with Bonanza at the moment, I am finding that I am getting the bonus round more often that I used to, today alone 3 times within 417 spins, HOWEVER they do not seem to pay anything like they used to. the best of the 3 was £22.30 @60p for 12 spins and the third was a 12 spin +5 added during the bonus spins that paid £5.28 for 17 spins @60p a spin! I dont know what to think of it these days.

 

[goatwack]

Let's be frank - this game is addictive, unregulated filth. I think BTG have created a monster and probably don't even know what goes on with it half the time.

Someone needs to reverse-engineer this game. It's probably got more holes in it than Swiss cheese

 

[ReggieMac]

Let's be frank - this game is addictive, unregulated filth. I think BTG have created a monster and probably don't even know what goes with it half the time.

Someone needs to reverse-engineer this game. It's probably got more holes in it than Swiss cheese

It certainly is addictive, quite mesmerising to watch for a while, but ultimately whilst we keep playing it BTG will happily leave it as it is, rake in the money and enjoy all of the publicity (good or bad) that our collective moaning gives them for free!