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[goatwack]

But tin foil hats are not needed lol.

It is just peoples own cognitive distortions that they tell themselves when playing the certain slots in question that they do not play like they used too. I can say I too have those moments. But I know that they are just cognitive distortions, so I know not to take them as it is a fact. Cos they are not.

Only way for sure is to prove it by recording every single session and so you get all the stats. But that then has problems of its own. Because you have nothing to compare it too. Unless you recorded them for years and you still have that old data to compare it too.

We're told this a lot to keep us pumping money into the games and play for years. I draw comparisons from years ago because I don't expect to live until I'm 585, but I really don't think that's something to be discussed at length in this thread. People will kill us

 

[DreamRJ]

We're told this a lot to keep us pumping money into the games and play for years. I draw comparisons from years ago because I don't expect to live until I'm 585, but I really don't think that's something to be discussed at length in this thread. People will kill us

lol yeah I suppose

 

[nutnut]

slot is murdering me. 93p I won before on a bonus.

 

[brianmon]

But when you say butchered I think is an oversight. lol

When they migrated their games to html5, that in no way changed the RNG or any of the game mechanics. Because that would then mean they would have had to do press releases to let people know they tweaked the game mechanics. I think it is law that they have to do that. They would then need to be retested as well.

When they change the slots to be html5 compatible that doesn't require that the slots get taken offline.

It actually frustrates me when I see people that think that the slots have changed just when they migrate them to html5. Same for the recent changes to the play n go slots. I saw people complain yet again about oh, they are worse, etc etc etc. I can assure you all, this is not the case and people just go over the top with their own exaggerations for no reason just because the reels spin different etc etc.

So I wish people would just stop moaning and complaining when they migrate them to html5. You need to remember html5 is taking over flash. It is getting depreciated I think by 2020. So all slot providers have to migrate by that time.

The variance during the feature has been changed on DOA.

Yes they'd have to have it retested, the cost of which is probably worthwhile.

No, they wouldn't need to make any kind of announcement, so long as the overall RTP remains the same (and maybe even not then).

You only need to look at how many casinos, have either removed it from their 'exempt while playing with a bonus list' or increased the percentage contribution, while playing with a bonus. To see that they view DOA HTML5 differently to the flash version.

Maybe it was done at the request of the casinos, or maybe to make it more 'casual player' friendly (less of an 'all or nothing' game)
But the whole game has now got the 'Newer NetEnt game type variance'


I've been using SlotTracker for the last 4 month, and although I only have data for 174,625 spins and 1,137 bonuses, so far. Which I know isn't statistically that good yet. Especially since I've been playing it constantly for the last 5+ years.

The spin data is split almost 50/50 between HTML5 and Flash play.

HTML5 is producing more in the 100-500x range feature wins than Flash, but less in the +500x range.
HTML5 is taking more spins on average to trigger a feature, than Flash.
But they're both equal as far as 5 scatters go

The more spins I'm doing, the more the difference is becoming apparent.

Figures have got nothing to do with cognitive distortions

I'll post the results when I reach 250,000 spins and then again at 500,000 spins......etc

 

[SpinUk]

100% you are right brianmon. I said this not long ago on the DOA "new and improved" version:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/dead-or-alive-insights.80826/

Funny, I was actually thinking about emailing Tropicana this week to ask about these figures as I have been playing a fair of DOA recently, to see how they compared with the old game.

I make that 1 in 273 bonus rounds pay more than 1000x.

This, if accurate, is at odds with Blatheons figures (yes his sample was bigger but the deviation would not be this much) of around 1 in 153 bonus rounds - so a 56% less chance of a 1000x win.

I think this data pretty much proves a lot of the forum's speculation that the variance has in fact been flattened out at the high end of the bell curve.

And the reason it was done?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/

On DOA its the same but more pronounced. Sure, you can still get the wild lines, but they are fewer and farer between, whilst the majority of bonus rounds appear to pay marginally more (50x stake much more common as opposed to previous 10-20x).

Certainly these games remain capable of producing the previous big wins, but the alteration means that these are even rarer than they were before as the RTP has been "fleshed out" with the increased abundance of medium wins at the expense of the mega wins.

Why does this matter?

Im sure from a developer point of view, then it will be argued that it is what is popular with players, and they are feeding this demand. I don't buy it though.

From a casino point of view, by lowering the slot variance slot then the player is playing for longer, but crucially, the bonus beating and withdrawal inducing mega wins are now rarer - remarkably so - meaning that despite the RTP remaining the same the actually REAL net loss to the casino - the point where the player will actually hit the withdraw button - has been reduced.

So the Casino bottom line is increased and risk is reduced, even though the house edge has remained the same.

This fact has also driven the recent releases from the major software houses like Netent (from Warlords and pretty much everything in the last year or so) releasing slots where the so called "big wins" are more around the 150x stake mark compared to 500x stake on the previous releases. MG are the same, Jurrasic World etc.

 

[DreamRJ]

Ok, well if that is the case then that is news to me anyway. Because I always assumed that the RNG and RTP is the same when they migrate it.

If you can at least find any press releases to enforce your claim then I will believe it. But anyway, I wont be one to say either way until I get actual proof.

 

[goatwack]

It's easy to draw several conclusions from this. Mine are:

Old DOA - rigged

DOA - riggeder

Bonanaza - the riggedest

Just stop playing them and you're good to go

 

[SpinUk]

Ok, well if that is the case then that is news to me anyway. Because I always assumed that the RNG and RTP is the same when they migrate it.

If you can at least find any press releases to enforce your claim then I will believe it. But anyway, I wont be one to say either way until I get actual proof.

1. Do you know what the RNG and RTP mean/do? I ask as they have nothing to do with the above.

2. Do you know the purpose of a press release? I ask as it has nothing to do with the above.

With regard to proof that has everything to do with the above, hence the conversation.

Thanks

 

[DreamRJ]

1. Do you know what the RNG and RTP mean/do? I ask as they have nothing to do with the above.

2. Do you know the purpose of a press release? I ask as it has nothing to do with the above.

With regard to proof that has everything to do with the above, hence the conversation.

Thanks

I find that a little patronising for someone who has been around gambling my for the last 20 years. And you question my knowledge on the basics??

As someone who has also been an affiliate as well.

 

[SpinUk]

I find that a little patronising for someone who has been around gambling my for the last 20 years. And you question my knowledge on the basics??

As someone who has also been an affiliate as well.

Well if the cap fits...

 

[brianmon]

If you can at least find any press releases to enforce your claim then I will believe it. But anyway, I wont be one to say either way until I get actual proof.

Do you seriously think any game provider is going to make public, the fact that they've 'dumbed down' one of their games?

But if, as you say, they have to. Then maybe you can give a link to the 'laws' that say they have to make a press release to say they've changed ANYTHING

 

[slotmaster]

Just hit 450x free spins win, Got green diamonds 18 ways on 7x for a chunk of that but upload system on here not working so can't post screenshots.

 

[nutnut]

Just hit 450x free spins win, Got green diamonds 18 ways on 7x for a chunk of that but upload system on here not working so can't post screenshots.

spooky. same time i just hit a x1000+ on 20p stake with red diamonds in bonus round.

irony is i have plough cash all week on it had dead bonus after dead bonus. get £4 free bonus and hit a win that big at min stake. slots have a funny way of playing with your mind. was on my phone so no screenshot

 

[jackanory2279]

ive had a great time on bonanza.. danger high voltage and star quest the last 2 days. 50£ deposit 75% bonus started with 125£ took me too days 2 clear wagering and withdrawn 530£ queen of riches stuffed me abit though.

 

[slotmaster]

Hit another over 100x on free spins not long after.

 

[nutnut]

got £60 bonus with £1000+ wagering. been playing this at 80p a spin triggered two quick bonuses. one £14 one £26 both awful.

 

[lockinlove]

Probably had the hottest run of bonus's last night - 6 in the space of 150 spins

One paid ok: 300 x on a quid

2 quid one was 55 x mad

Rest were in and around the 50-100 x

Was very weird - every time the GOL came in it just went to D or, upon a drop, fell in then.

Bet that's the last time i feel confident in the D dropping in.

This slot sure can be fishy. I saw a youtube video where someone got 11 bonuses in 500 spins

 

[nutnut]

This slot sure can be fishy. I saw a youtube video where someone got 11 bonuses in 500 spins

I've had similar. Infact last night I got around 8 in 500 spins. When it's playing good you can actually tell(rare as it is).

 

[pinnit2014]

This slot sure can be fishy. I saw a youtube video where someone got 11 bonuses in 500 spins

The more i get the worse i do...that's another 5 in VS in 300 spins, but 'only' 150 up (come on Bonanza with 5 in a short period I'm looking for 400 plus)

Game plays high variance but pays medium.

 

[pinnit2014]

Pleasantly happy with 70 quid going into bonus...paid in total 130. Given i can't remember when i last withdrew from video slots, it's time to cut loose.

 

[nutnut]

24 GOL in 400 spins without a bonus. is that a record? big time trolling atm

 

[pinnit2014]

24 GOL in 400 spins without a bonus. is that a record? big time trolling atm

I legged it - was at the Titanic Quarter in Belfast last week and my balance was starting to meet the same fate

 

[asadzareef89]

24 GOL in 400 spins without a bonus. is that a record? big time trolling atm

I went 1300 spins at betsafe without a bonus and 53 GOL's

After that session, i went another 170 spins before a bonus and included 6 GOL's and guess what that bonus paid, a measly 12x bet

 

[BillyGoldblum]

I like this slot

I play it an awful lot and cant get a biggie on it yet. Soon....Sooon

"year 2040 rolls around"

soon..sooon

 

[nutnut]

100 pound at 20p stakes took yesterday 3 bonuses only all.below 4 quid. 20 cash back today gone in 15 minutes.

Absolute brutal for me. Dunovers win has drained the pot dry!

 

[nutnut]

i swear this slot knows your balance.

99% of time i get down to my last 5 spins i hit GOL. so it tries to make you redeposit. just me that noticed this?

 

[ReggieMac]

First time ever got bonus with 2 x +5 and even got the multiplier up x18! Pretty bloody disappointed to only get this @ £1 spins. However, better than most!

 

[slotmaster]

Had some "hot" moments on this today, got up to the max 117,000 ways and it kept hitting and hitting on the 1 spin which included a diamonds hit. Nothing big big but it was fun,lol. Even hit free spins on a $1 bet but it was only 70x.

 

[greylady]

I had 2753 spins today without one bonus, boy is this slot tedious and I can't see me returning to it - I only played as I took a deposit bonus (never again) and after attempting to play 13 different slots (all dead), I was so bored I just wanted out of there.

Never again will I take a deposit bonus - I could have withdrawn £400 if I hadn't!

 

[nutnut]

finding it very very hard to trigger a bonus recently. id say between 800 to 1000 spins between bonuses which pay below x20 anyway

cant buy a decent win

 

[interlog]

finding it very very hard to trigger a bonus recently. id say between 800 to 1000 spins between bonuses which pay below x20 anyway

cant buy a decent win

I could have written that. It feels like the machine is on a take.

 

[Jono777]

I could have written that. It feels like the machine is on a take.

Has been all week if not longer.

If challenged BGT will simply link us to Dunover's recent "event"

 

[nutnut]

well i triggered a bonus. massive £1.80

fucking ridiculous

only spent £45 to get that win!

 

[nutnut]

Has been all week if not longer.

If challenged BGT will simply link us to Dunover's recent "event"

but thats just it. for dunovers win the next 500 bonus rounds pay barely a few quid. this slot defo pumps out odd big win then feeds bad bonus after bonus to make up for it.

 

[Jono777]

but thats just it. for dunovers win the next 500 bonus rounds pay barely a few quid. this slot defo pumps out odd big win then feeds bad bonus after bonus to make up for it.

Sure does, about to try £20 now (its NOT having my whole balance )

Report back later if anything other than what I am expecting happens

Edit: Nope, just 28 spins to G-O-L-D straight in, and .....



My new personal worst

 

[nutnut]

Sure does, about to try £20 now (its NOT having my whole balance )

Report back later if anything other than what I am expecting happens

Edit: Nope, just 28 spins to G-O-L-D straight in, and .....

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My new personal worst

Absolute disgrace jon isn't it. I just triggered 17 spins and won £4.80. I kid you not.

 

[Jono777]

Absolute disgrace jon isn't it. I just triggered 17 spins and won £4.80. I kid you not.

BS at its finest.....again

 

[interlog]

Absolute disgrace jon isn't it. I just triggered 17 spins and won £4.80. I kid you not.

The 17 spins are akin to the 4 scatter trigger of doom on other slots. I rather have GOLD without any extra scatters.

 

[thebigs]

Not the biggest but not complaining.

 

[Jd666]

My new personal best on this today, just 2 spins to bring GOLD in.
3 wins for 9 x bet.
DHV has been hot for me today, turned 15 quid into 130 on mostly 20p, when I kept raising it went shit and started doing good again when I lowered

 

[nutnut]

slot has somehow got worse if possible. idea of drinking and playing hasn't ended well tonight. time for a break it has defeated me

 

[nutnut]

My gf just hit 17 spins and won £6.

can BGT explain why on average the 17 free spins or more performs worse than 12. doesn't make any sense from a design point of view. why not decrease the chance of 17 but make it pay better, why would you design a slot to punish a player for triggering more spins

 

[greylady]

My gf just hit 17 spins and won £6.

can BGT explain why on average the 17 free spins or more performs worse than 12. doesn't make any sense from a design point of view. why not decrease the chance of 17 but make it pay better, why would you design a slot to punish a player for triggering more spins

I think it is an abysmal slot, to go in excess of 2700 spins without a bonus is dire and has put me off for life - I think the more you play it the more it takes, maybe try and limit your sessions per week

 

[nutnut]

I think it is an abysmal slot, to go in excess of 2700 spins without a bonus is dire and has put me off for life - I think the more you play it the more it takes, maybe try and limit your sessions per week

You're right this slot can and does put you off slotting. It makes you realise what a massive piss take it is.

Feed in hundreds to trigger bonuses than give you a couple of quid? 95% of my bonuses pay between £2 to £10. I miss the days this slot would suck your deposits but trigger a bonus you 9 times out of 10 knew you get decent win. but its opposite now.

I'm down about 180 this week on this game at min stakes. I withdraw if i get to 40 in my balance so gives you idea how bad this has been. not one withdrawal

 

[lotusch]

I am currently struggling with Danger High Voltage..
It seems BTG makes really horrible slots that eat your balance so quick,you don't even know where it went.
Had a few FS triggers and kept swapping between the 2 options.

The one with 7 FS and random wild symbol is atrocious.
I had FS where it picked the 10 symbol and I was happy because it is a common symbol so expected a good few to drop in. Nopez!
Paid a shitty 11x bet.

I had one decent hit for 140x stake with the 15 FS and multiplier win as I hit a 3 OAK of top paying symbol but it multiplied x66.

The wins in base game are so uncommon and just piss poor that I wonder if this slot is actually playable.

Do not play BTG a lot but kinda stuck on this machine now as I am quite a bit in the minus on it.

Anyone ever hit really big on this? As it does have the potential but that goes for most BTG slots...Only never get to see it myself..

 

[Jono777]

Anyone ever hit really big on this? As it does have the potential but that goes for most BTG slots...Only never get to see it myself..

Not exactly BIG mate - This is my personal best so far......

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-videos.42826/

Also managed 350x or thereabouts on the other 'pick' (the one with the wild ladder) but was only on 0,20p bet at that particular time.

 

[nutnut]

not played spins yet, but in before below £10 win!

 

[nutnut]

Not bad....not great though for that many spins in reality but i'll take it!. had like £12 until last spin......

 

[Tourettesguy]

Wont win more than if you get 12 free spins...ive got 6-7 multiplier already on first spin sometimes when getting 12 free spins..and when I get 17 or more fre espisn I get more dead spins.. This is a sad game...been online for a long time now and have we seen ANY isane win yet?? Ive seen one I believe on around 10000X bet on Youtube... Is it worth spinning 10 billions times on this and may get a 5000X bet win?

 

[nutnut]

I am currently struggling with Danger High Voltage..
It seems BTG makes really horrible slots that eat your balance so quick,you don't even know where it went.
Had a few FS triggers and kept swapping between the 2 options.

The one with 7 FS and random wild symbol is atrocious.
I had FS where it picked the 10 symbol and I was happy because it is a common symbol so expected a good few to drop in. Nopez!
Paid a shitty 11x bet.

I had one decent hit for 140x stake with the 15 FS and multiplier win as I hit a 3 OAK of top paying symbol but it multiplied x66.

The wins in base game are so uncommon and just piss poor that I wonder if this slot is actually playable.

Do not play BTG a lot but kinda stuck on this machine now as I am quite a bit in the minus on it.

Anyone ever hit really big on this? As it does have the potential but that goes for most BTG slots...Only never get to see it myself..

DHV is worse than Bonanza, least bonanza I had some decent wins. All bonuses pay under £5 for me. and triggering it is hard as hell and massive balance eater