New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[2Slots]

There's nothing 'wrong' with them as such, their 96% games pay out 96% over time, they don't cheat, they're not rigged or compensated, but once you get your head around how their game design and maths models work, they can become quite unpalatable.

That post is very interesting. BTG must have got lazy with some of their slots because as much as I like beef lightning the second reel is stacked with only 10s and Qs to balance it out!

I think the quoted bit is why I'm a bit bored of them now. I started completely skeptical so spent a lot of time looking into slot design and 'rigged' stuff while I was playing.

I disproved the rigged stuff myself just from playing but the design 'gimmicks' bothered me right from the start.

I think my problem is that looking for those things has become part of my slot play and once I notice something it puts me off the slot.

Bonanza is so well designed that it will hypnotize in a way that I don't think any other slot does if you try to bonus or bust it. Just end up spinning away and get lost in it until the 'not enough balance' pops up!

It's why the only way I could play it was to set a strict max. 20x loss limit and leave if nothing happened.

 

[2Slots]

I just gave DoA2 a spin and hit a first spin bonus for the second time last few days, thought ha bonanza never does that for me. I then hit another one so 2 bonuses in ~4 mins for 40x return. Not impressive but better than nothing.

After reading @ChopleyIOM interesting post I thought to use 20x just to see the 'teases' now I know the symbols are actually on the reels and not programmed to drop in as it's quite impressive.

It played really well with no 'teases' for 5 mins and dropped in a bonus for 112x!

I then played on for 20 spins or so but it wouldn't tease so I left!

Don't know how I feel about it tbh

 

[lukey141]

The bonanza retirement lasted a long time eh?

 

[mcgameboy]

I made a video about one of them, Megaways Gold I think it was, it was on my old YT channel but I've never reuploaded it to my new channel.

From memory I got it up to over 300,000 Megaways in the bonus for multiple spins, but it can do one million Megaways or something, and you can see the reels extended out in the game, at which point it becomes very obvious how they're designed to miss stuff all the time.

The most blatant one is alternating symbols, so reels 1 and 3 will be heavy with certain symbols, but reel 2 will have practically none of them, but then other symbols will be heavy on 2 and 4, but missing on 1, that sort of thing. So on Bonanza when you think you've 'just missed' a diamond or whatever to connect a big win, the reel that missed might have one diamond on it and be god knows how many symbols long. (BTG games have famously long reel strips.)

They do it with the premium symbols as well, so you'll get loads of enticing looking premium symbols on a number of the reels, even stacks of them, but when the reels are extended out a long way, you can really see how they are almost completely missing from a critical reel that means you almost never get them participating in a win.

There was a thread here a few years ago doing a statistical analysis of the BTG game Danger High Voltage, that isn't a Megaways game but the same design principles held true, with really long reel strips and symbol distribution designed to keep the game in check - because at the end of the day all these things are running with a house edge of around 4% (or often a lot more these days), and without that symbol distribution you'd end up with a game paying 150% or whatever.

If you can find Gold Megaways on demo play somewhere, just lump away at it until you get a bonus that properly gets going on the insane number of Megaways, and watch how something like 330,000 Megaways either misses completely for multiple spins, or manages a 3OAK on fucking 9s or something.

I had a proper extended play around loads of BTG games a few years ago, and documented it here at CM in the appropriate threads, the conclusion I reached at the end of my endeavours was never to play BTG slots again

There's nothing 'wrong' with them as such, their 96% games pay out 96% over time, they don't cheat, they're not rigged or compensated, but once you get your head around how their game design and maths models work, they can become quite unpalatable.

I don't know if you will remember this Chops, but I seem to remember an old classic slot from the "good old days" that was quite guilty of this behaviour, but on a much smaller layout ie the standard 5 x 3 layout....

Pure Platinum

It's been quite a while since I played that game, but IIRC reels 1 and 3 would be heavy on AQ10 while reel 2 would be heavy with KJ9.
It was either that or KJ9 on reels 1 and 3, with AQ10 on reel 2.

Basically, you were always praying for a wild on reel 2

I can't say I ever noticed a similar pattern with the premium symbols on that game though.

But it does go to show that this kind of....uhm..."housery" (?) was a thing long before BTG came along to rewrite the "visually tilting programming" rulebook.

 

[2Slots]

The bonanza retirement lasted a long time eh?

I was debating that when I was thinking to try it

Was expecting it to give me maybe 10 dead spins I'd see the teases and leave.

Edit: JATB just threw in a first spin bonus too for 40x. I think bonanza won't be sucking me back in (again lol) just yet. Strange evening so far!

 

[toslotornot]

That post is very interesting. BTG must have got lazy with some of their slots because as much as I like beef lightning the second reel is stacked with only 10s and Qs to balance it out!

I think the quoted bit is why I'm a bit bored of them now. I started completely skeptical so spent a lot of time looking into slot design and 'rigged' stuff while I was playing.

I disproved the rigged stuff myself just from playing but the design 'gimmicks' bothered me right from the start.

I think my problem is that looking for those things has become part of my slot play and once I notice something it puts me off the slot.

Bonanza is so well designed that it will hypnotize in a way that I don't think any other slot does if you try to bonus or bust it. Just end up spinning away and get lost in it until the 'not enough balance' pops up!

It's why the only way I could play it was to set a strict max. 20x loss limit and leave if nothing happened.

are you setting a strict 20x loss limit per day for Bonanza or can you do more than one session it if you play other slots between a session? in a good sessiion Bonanza won't even drop down 10x and keep increasing the balance.

 

[2Slots]

are you setting a strict 20x loss limit per day for Bonanza or can you do more than one session it if you play other slots between a session? in a good sessiion Bonanza won't even drop down 10x and keep increasing the balance.

I rotate slots so bonanza was recently getting around 60x through the evening as all the other slots were quite dead.

Usually it would probably be 20x/40x as I would try bonanza at the start of the session and then at the end if everything else is dead.

I would freeroll too if the base played well enough as I like to try and bonus a slot with whatever I'm up by and then leave if I hit zero. Occasionally I might leave up as the base played well enough but I get bored after a while.

 

[2Slots]

I had a proper extended play around loads of BTG games a few years ago, and documented it here at CM in the appropriate threads, the conclusion I reached at the end of my endeavours was never to play BTG slots again

When you did play which slots/providers did you like?

 

[thediro]

Morning all

 

[lukey141]

You came away up on each site after the session? Hard to feel bad about that I guess.

 

[lukey141]

Well I also decided to throw £100 at Bonanza. Failed

Put in another £100 and got GOLD+5. As fucking usual my GOLD+5 flops...

It's just so stupid.

 

[dunover]

When you did play which slots/providers did you like?

I dunno what @ChopleyIOM was getting at, but he hit over 800x on an aces tumble the first time he played Bonanza and about 5,500x the first time he played Final Countdown. For beginner's luck he was unrivalled in spawn.

 

[2Slots]

I dunno what @ChopleyIOM was getting at, but he hit over 800x on an aces tumble the first time he played Bonanza and about 5,500x the first time he played Final Countdown. For beginner's luck he was unrivalled in spawn.

I had some similar luck on BTG slots too. Every one played really well when I first gave them a go then normal or completely dead (except Opal Fruits it's didn't ever wake up so I never hit a bonus on it over probably near 1000x).

First couple times I played Donuts when I joined here I hit a 440x purples and a couple of decent bonuses.

Beef Lightning I hit 2500x+ very early on plus so many 100x+ bonuses I thought that was how it worked.

Both are completely dead for me now!

Wasn't like that on bonanza though as you're hogging all the luck and @thediro mops up most of the remaining bonuses so the rest of us are left with the scraps

 

[toslotornot]

the Dazza Gee spawny juggernaut rolls on. As soon as he said he is down to his last deposit we all knew what was coming.

if we just exclude the 6 Christmas Bonanza session (6 x -£250)

then it's +£19.5k new profit peak.
86 sessions on Bonanza
average starting balance £413
average winning session £1099 (33 wins)
average losing session £399 (42 losses)
11 break evens.
192 bonanza bonuses. avg of 2.23 per session.
average of £227 profit per session.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I dunno what @ChopleyIOM was getting at, but he hit over 800x on an aces tumble the first time he played Bonanza and about 5,500x the first time he played Final Countdown. For beginner's luck he was unrivalled in spawn.

BTG is possibly the only slots provider I'm in overall positive territory with, The Final Countdown spawn in particular was absolutely outrageous. And considering I'm now an ex-gambler, I'm most likely one of the very few people who can legitimately claim that BTG has given me money, and not the other way around

First ever real money session on the game, just 24 spins for a feature, and it paid 5698x.

This is one of my few online slots videos that I did actually reupload to my new channel.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't know if you will remember this Chops, but I seem to remember an old classic slot from the "good old days" that was quite guilty of this behaviour, but on a much smaller layout ie the standard 5 x 3 layout....

Pure Platinum

It's been quite a while since I played that game, but IIRC reels 1 and 3 would be heavy on AQ10 while reel 2 would be heavy with KJ9.
It was either that or KJ9 on reels 1 and 3, with AQ10 on reel 2.

Basically, you were always praying for a wild on reel 2

I can't say I ever noticed a similar pattern with the premium symbols on that game though.

But it does go to show that this kind of....uhm..."housery" (?) was a thing long before BTG came along to rewrite the "visually tilting programming" rulebook.

Yes you're quite right, reel design trickery such as this has always been a thing but IMO it never felt wildly unfair on the older, simpler games - I think we instinctively understood that the higher paying symbols needed to be rarer on the reels for the games to make RTP, and any weighting of distributions across the reels didn't necessarily feel too bad either.

The thing with Megaways is it promises so much, you see 1000 ways, 2000 ways and so on all the way up to 117K on Bonanza or one million on Gold Megaways and all the rest of it, and the devious design becomes far more blatant.

That's what surprised me about Gold Megaways and the other games that used that sort of design so much, in that BTG really do show you, and very clearly at that once the reels get expanded out, exactly what the trickery is.

I remember when the 243-wayers first came out and my (stupid!) instinctive thought was '243 ways, how can you lose!' and then you get 3OAK on a card symbol and you 'win' 10% of your stake back or something

 

[sufferinsilence]

the Dazza Gee spawny juggernaut rolls on. As soon as he said he is down to his last deposit we all knew what was coming.

if we just exclude the 6 Christmas Bonanza session (6 x -£250)

then it's +£19.5k new profit peak.
86 sessions on Bonanza
average starting balance £413
average winning session £1099 (33 wins)
average losing session £399 (42 losses)
11 break evens.
192 bonanza bonuses. avg of 2.23 per session.
average of £227 profit per session.

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Almost 1000x on "me off"... I had to watch it 3 times to believe it!

 

[thediro]

Morning

Went in with high expectations!

Nothing

Went to Le Bandit!

 

[lukey141]

The 'Le' games are always terrible for me. Hundreds and hundreds of spin to ever get a bonus and the base game does nothing.

 

[Reelsoffun]

The 'Le' games are always terrible for me. Hundreds and hundreds of spin to ever get a bonus and the base game does nothing.

Exactly the same for me

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yes but diro never goes more than 10 mins to bonus anything.

Must be a millionaire by now even on 10/20p.

Never gonna brain out is he?

 

[lukey141]

My weekly wager limit reset on Midnite. After getting wrecked for £200 last time I went back for revenge.

13th spin, while I was a little above my initial deposit.

Sure only got back what I lost at the start of the week but still better than not getting it back at all.

 

[thediro]

lol

 

[2Slots]

My weekly wager limit reset on Midnite. After getting wrecked for £200 last time I went back for revenge.

13th spin, while I was a little above my initial deposit.

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@dunover must really be running dead to put an angry face on @lukey141 200x+. That's usually just one bonus on his way to 1000x+ through a session!

Also stop bumping the fkn thread guys...fkn newbies

 

[lukey141]

lol

Think the pictures are out of order but looks like? you had a killer session!

 

[lukey141]

@dunover must really be running dead to put an angry face on @lukey141 200x+. That's usually just one bonus on his way to 1000x+ through a session!

Also stop bumping the fkn thread guys...fkn newbies

Not even considering the 200x put me even rather than up lol

 

[thediro]

Think the pictures are out of order but looks like? you had a killer session!

on and off tbh

The last 17 spin one that got £3, was absolutely vile

7 dead spins straight at the very start, knew i was doomed.