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Yes chop so you’ve said a thousand times.

We know. But people whinge and moan when they think they’re getting unlucky in terms of bonuses.

Obv he’s getting SO lucky in triggering them but they’re obviously (mostly) paying crap.

It’s what people do.

It’s what you’ve done in the past and look how you spat ur dummy out when you lost 150x in 20 mins.

Quit and made a fucking video about it.

People know long term whst they’re getting. Bonanza newbies don’t know just how irritating the slot can be yet. Not even close to it.

Let them moan and whinge and complain ffs it’s what slot players do.
 
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PMKFRUITPRO said:
Yes chop so you’ve said a thousand times.

We know. But people whinge and moan when they think they’re getting unlucky in terms of bonuses.

Obv he’s getting SO lucky in triggering them but they’re obviously (mostly) paying crap.

It’s what people do.

It’s what you’ve done in the past and look how you spat ur dummy out when you lost 150x in 20 mins.

Quit and made a fucking video about it.

People know long term whst they’re getting. Bonanza newbies don’t know just how irritating the slot can be yet. Not even close to it.

Let them moan and whinge and complain ffs it’s what slot players do.
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Also - not to call the "pot kettle black" here.

Didnt you do the same?

I literally saw your name pop up through out the 800 pages in the earlier days between the 200-300 pages, and didnt you do the EXACT same thing?

We ALL come here, have a rant, have a moan when things arent going our way, ive watched every single one of you from 2018 onwards all do the EXACT same thing, but now that the *newbies" are coming along and experiencing the same thing, you guys are all acting like we have no right to.

Why? you all done the exact same fkn thing lol.

Maybe the truth is, most of you have over stayed your welcomes?

New names/people are obviously going to come and go, its not going to be the same stagnant members every single day within the forums, yes, some of us are new here and experiencing what you all did, but im just tired of some of you acting so entitled to believe we dont have a right to come do the same thing you all did at one point.

If its that much a bother in general, maybe just dont come near the bonanza thread at all?
 
That’s exactly why I said what I said. My post was directed at chop not urs or you personally!!

It is what people do!! I’ve done it loads!!

I’ll do it again!! But I’ve always said I know I’m around the 96% mark long term.

Don’t need to be told that by some bloke that’s done 8,000 spins!! Who posts the same duplicate stuff every time people moan!!!

Trust me mate I’ve had worse runs on this slot than anyone ever will!! Just be thankful ur features aren’t costing the earth!!
 
Oh i hear you i do!

But tbh - YOU are the one who has specifically had lil "digs" at me personally, everytime i do post my crap bonuses, over annoyance at the rate im hitting them.

You also wrote "Obv he’s getting SO lucky in triggering them but they’re obviously (mostly) paying crap."

I assume this is intended for me lol - so in a sense, you were actually referring to me, hens why i wrote what i wrote to.

Look - 900+ pages of this slot has proven 2 things.

1 - Noones ever hit that MASSIVE win, no unlimited multipliers and were all chasing that "what if"

&

2 - This slot causes people detrimental madness.

For example:

Just to "debunk the 420+ spin for feature theory...

Ive deposited £10 again

And ive just hit 2 bonuses

The first 1 was within 20 spins

GOLD - £3.98

And now after another 30-50 spins, i just hit this.

So again - This slot "varies" for everyone differently and user experiences will differ in general to.

Thats why i dont believe in all this "stats/sheets" - yeah thats fine for THAT specific person.

EVERY person has a DIFFERENT experience to this slot.

Thats what makes us all keep coming back to the damn thing.
 

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It’s not a dig at all mate, it’s factual. You are way way above the curve of triggering bonuses and they are paying mostly crap.

No argument there on either front.

Completely agree that posting stats from 8,000 spins is a waste of time.

I could sample that from a selection of mine and there wouldn’t even be a feature in them. Or one or two at most. It means nothing.

Please don’t think im digging you out because I’m not.

I just worry for you when those crazy trigger stats start to level out and they will!!!
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
It’s not a dig at all mate, it’s factual. You are way way above the curve of triggering bonuses and they are paying mostly crap.

No argument there on either front.

Completely agree that posting stats from 8,000 spins is a waste of time.

I could sample that from a selection of mine and there wouldn’t even be a feature in them. Or one or two at most. It means nothing.

Please don’t think im digging you out because I’m not.

I just worry for you when those crazy trigger stats start to level out and they will!!!
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Appreciate the concern honestly, and i do mean that - i know reading things we can also mis-interpret it for negative language, but the concern is valid and appreciated, as it is to all of us here.

My ONLY safety net, is realistically, im in no position to pour "hundreds" of pounds into slots, id love to, but i cant....i know my limits, i know im a low stake gambler and i know that my chances of hitting anything big or substantial is minor if anything.

My only saving grace is at the end of the day, i have self control enough to know when enough is enough, unlike some who i can imagine go through some of the most detrimental thoughts and occurrences in life though this slot bs, i wouldnt wish it on anyone.

At the end of the day - it IS meant to be entertainment, nothing more nothing less, if its got to a point some of you are spinning small fortunes away, then honestly, i feel bad for you all, cause i get it, Gambling addiction is no joke.

I just genuinely do this to be part of this community as it gives my spinning a better point and purpose, but most of all, i literally get to come rant here instead of ranting to the mrs!
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
Bonanza has caused me far more rage than any woman ever could!!!

And I’ve had several that are absolute fucking noise!!!
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Why do you think i come here to rant instead.

Getting the kinda payouts and bonuses i do are already triggering enough, trying to vent to a women about it is like intentionally poking a bear with your naked foot, covered in honey.
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
Completely agree that posting stats from 8,000 spins is a waste of time.
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I've posted stats from tens of thousands of spins, which is plenty enough to get a decent idea of (a) Average feature frequency and (b) Average feature pay.

Anyway we already know both those numbers, 1/460 and 86x.

Short term volatility is separate from long term averages, and the more spins you do, the closer you'll get to those two figures.
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
No shit!! We know!!!

People are still gonna come on here and moan about it tho.

I will reiterate again. It’s what slot players do.
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Yeah it's fine I get that, but when it crosses over into sinister suggestions of underhand skulduggery being afoot as opposed to, y'know, a random game with a house edge and an insane maths model just doing its thing same as it always has, I reserve the right to raise an objection :)
 
I dont know why I keep playing this game , its absolute dogshit , 25x on a bonus with + 5 . 14 bloody euro while betting 60 cent .
 

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And this is MY biggest concern.

I dont care about the base churn, dont care about the amount of spins etc, all this 1/420 bs, when some of us are mostly debunking it.

I want to know wtf is happening with the NON STOP low constant payouts on BONUSES!
 
thediro said:
And this is MY biggest concern.

I dont care about the base churn, dont care about the amount of spins etc, all this 1/420 bs, when some of us are mostly debunking it.

I want to know wtf is happening with the NON STOP low constant payouts on BONUSES!
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You're not debunking anything.

Bonanza bonuses an average of 1/460 spins and the bonus has an average pay of 86x.

Your results are adrift from those numbers at the moment, albeit within the realms of volatility, over time they'll even out.
 
Yeah so basically what he's saying is you're going to go through a period where you'll get a bonus every 1000-1500 spins but instead of 20-30x's they'll be 200x.

So depends what trade off you prefer. Frequent low ones or very infrequent higher ones.

That being said I guess it also depends what your RTP is in all this. If you've kept a high 90's RTP then the game doesn't really owe you anything to bring RTP in line. If your RTP was sitting in the 70's after tens of thousands of spins then the game would at some point need to pick up a gear to give that 25% back.
 
lukey141 said:
Yeah so basically what he's saying is you're going to go through a period where you'll get a bonus every 1000-1500 spins but instead of 20-30x's they'll be 200x.

So depends what trade off you prefer. Frequent low ones or very infrequent higher ones.

That being said I guess it also depends what your RTP is in all this. If you've kept a high 90's RTP then the game doesn't really owe you anything to bring RTP in line. If your RTP was sitting in the 70's after tens of thousands of spins then the game would at some point need to pick up a gear to give that 25% back.
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Not necessarily, your assuming that all "bonanza" slots are using the exact same math model, which has been tin foiled to death but there could be some merit in that assumption and would certainly explain many things.

For example ignore RTP, as that means nothing in this case.

Lets say there was / is two 96% versions of bonanza, look the same, play the same, display same RTP, but one is

Bonanza "Profile A"
This is the main one, the original if you will, with feature hit of 1/460 96% blah blah blah.

Bonanza "Profile B"
All the same as above but casino wanted a lower variance one, so it bonuses more frequent but lower feature pays, still same 96%

Now imagine, these two variants scattered accross all the casinos, how would you ever know you are actually not playing the same game? How would you know which you are playing?

If you think about this senario it fits very well with a lot of the things people have noticed over the years, explains why "it plays better or worse on some sites constantly", some sites trigger consistantly better than others etc.

Only If you are one of the rare ones amongst us that only really plays the game on one site then only you would have a chance to notice "a differance" long term.

But lets be clear, I dont know for certain this is the case but with my extensive knowledge of slot math, the methods used in games and my time in the industry i would say its a high probability that is whats going on. Is it legal?, totally! the game is still bonanza and is still 96%

This is not just some tin foil hattery, I am putting forward a very real, potential explaination of to why players experiances can be drastically different and not just a result of RNG, variance.


Just for referance this has been going on in land based UK for decades, AWP's that look identical but have 3 main profiles, Arcade, Single site and Bingo. As a player you would not know which one your playing but they are VERY different ( in one word variance ), @ChopleyIOM would know all about this, but this is the bonanza thread.
 
Reelsoffun said:
Not necessarily, your assuming that all "bonanza" slots are using the exact same math model, which has been tin foiled to death but there could be some merit in that assumption and would certainly explain many things.

For example ignore RTP, as that means nothing in this case.

Lets say there was / is two 96% versions of bonanza, look the same, play the same, display same RTP, but one is

Bonanza "Profile A"
This is the main one, the original if you will, with feature hit of 1/460 96% blah blah blah.

Bonanza "Profile B"
All the same as above but casino wanted a lower variance one, so it bonuses more frequent but lower feature pays, still same 96%

Now imagine, these two variants scattered accross all the casinos, how would you ever know you are actually not playing the same game? How would you know which you are playing?

If you think about this senario it fits very well with a lot of the things people have noticed over the years, explains why "it plays better or worse on some sites constantly", some sites trigger consistantly better than others etc.

Only If you are one of the rare ones amongst us that only really plays the game on one site then only you would have a chance to notice "a differance" long term.

But lets be clear, I dont know for certain this is the case but with my extensive knowledge of slot math, the methods used in games and my time in the industry i would say its a high probability that is whats going on. Is it legal?, totally! the game is still bonanza and is still 96%

This is not just some tin foil hattery, I am putting forward a very real, potential explaination of to why players experiances can be drastically different and not just a result of RNG, variance.


Just for referance this has been going on in land based UK for decades, AWP's that look identical but have 3 main profiles, Arcade, Single site and Bingo. As a player you would not know which one your playing but they are VERY different ( in one word variance ), @ChopleyIOM would know all about this, but this is the bonanza thread.
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Makes sense to me.

Also maybe it's possible to know because in the game files you can see the exact version the site is using? I've noticed serveral different ones and the sites sure do feel like they play differently.

I've also seen a 95.98% version which is very strange because it's knocked off 0.02% from the standard rate yet for me this one has way better base game hits and maintains better and overall I have an RTP some ways above that currently, certainly better than anywhere else I've put at least 10,000 spins into.
 
@thediro

Debunked the 450x (or so) avg feature drop?
Many peeps here have mentioned 6k, 7k, or (iirc) above 8k spins between features on this pool of diarrhea that they call a slot. Your time will come, and I'm sure we'll be right here alongside you reading about it live when it goes down. :P
Not meant as a dig :D.

Also, PMK can be very blunt in his approach with words. I don't believe he was having a dig at you. He just attacks Bonanza every chance he can get, directly or indirectly. understandably so, too. I do it myself and I've never played the piece of shit.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Any online slot is capable of massive swings in volatility across all metrics in the short term, but it'll average out pretty quickly, especially for a game that isn't too volatile overall, such as Bonanza.
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I sometimes wonder how long "short term" can be in regards to online slots.. days? weeks? months?
 
Reelsoffun said:
Not necessarily, your assuming that all "bonanza" slots are using the exact same math model, which has been tin foiled to death but there could be some merit in that assumption and would certainly explain many things.

For example ignore RTP, as that means nothing in this case.

Lets say there was / is two 96% versions of bonanza, look the same, play the same, display same RTP, but one is

Bonanza "Profile A"
This is the main one, the original if you will, with feature hit of 1/460 96% blah blah blah.

Bonanza "Profile B"
All the same as above but casino wanted a lower variance one, so it bonuses more frequent but lower feature pays, still same 96%

Now imagine, these two variants scattered accross all the casinos, how would you ever know you are actually not playing the same game? How would you know which you are playing?

If you think about this senario it fits very well with a lot of the things people have noticed over the years, explains why "it plays better or worse on some sites constantly", some sites trigger consistantly better than others etc.

Only If you are one of the rare ones amongst us that only really plays the game on one site then only you would have a chance to notice "a differance" long term.

But lets be clear, I dont know for certain this is the case but with my extensive knowledge of slot math, the methods used in games and my time in the industry i would say its a high probability that is whats going on. Is it legal?, totally! the game is still bonanza and is still 96%

This is not just some tin foil hattery, I am putting forward a very real, potential explaination of to why players experiances can be drastically different and not just a result of RNG, variance.


Just for referance this has been going on in land based UK for decades, AWP's that look identical but have 3 main profiles, Arcade, Single site and Bingo. As a player you would not know which one your playing but they are VERY different ( in one word variance ), @ChopleyIOM would know all about this, but this is the bonanza thread.
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This is within the realms of the plausible, there's nothing stopping them doing it (although there should be!), and the 95.98% RTP maths model that's floating around out there is a weird one.

And yes you're quite right compensated AWPs could often be set to three very different profiles despite looking outwardly identical with no way for players to know which one they were playing, apart from finding out the hard way! (And that's before you even get into rechips which could completely change the way a game plays.)

In the case of Bonanza though, some basic stats-tracking would soon get to the truth of it, you don't need to do that many spins, and land that many features, to get a decent read on average feature frequency and average feature pay.
 
M!ke said:
I sometimes wonder how long "short term" can be in regards to online slots.. days? weeks? months?
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Honestly, longer than I thought, don't know if you've read the thread documenting my tussle with Dice Fusion at 3Dice, eventually it took me 600K spins to land a 'jackpot' game round and along the way I was surprised how long it could run above, under, or around RTP before maths would eventually do its thing. I'm talking tens of thousands spins at a stretch sometimes with bigger deviations from the average I thought would be accounted for by normal volatility.

It depends what you're measuring though, average feature frequency is actually pretty easy to nail down, because statistically speaking, even in Bonanza's case, 1/460 is quite a common occurrence. Same for average pay, the outliers are statistically rare so you'll home in on a decently accurate average relatively quickly.
 
TheAddict said:
@thediro

Debunked the 450x (or so) avg feature drop?
Many peeps here have mentioned 6k, 7k, or (iirc) above 8k spins between features on this pool of diarrhea that they call a slot. Your time will come, and I'm sure we'll be right here alongside you reading about it live when it goes down. :P
Not meant as a dig :D.

Also, PMK can be very blunt in his approach with words. I don't believe he was having a dig at you. He just attacks Bonanza every chance he can get, directly or indirectly. understandably so, too. I do it myself and I've never played the piece of shit.
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On the contrary, you assume that im going to be spinning Bonanza into the tens of thousands of spins to begin with :D

Not a chance, im a low staker, i do minimum spins at best, ill never get to that point and if i do , Bonanza 2 will be out by then.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
This is within the realms of the plausible, there's nothing stopping them doing it (although there should be!), and the 95.98% RTP maths model that's floating around out there is a weird one.

And yes you're quite right compensated AWPs could often be set to three very different profiles despite looking outwardly identical with no way for players to know which one they were playing, apart from finding out the hard way! (And that's before you even get into rechips which could completely change the way a game plays.)

In the case of Bonanza though, some basic stats-tracking would soon get to the truth of it, you don't need to do that many spins, and land that many features, to get a decent read on average feature frequency and average feature pay.
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Which is my kinda point my mates data is completely different to mine, ( way lower ave ) which is to me a bit of a clue that its a possibility. Never gone thousands without bonus either where for me is a pretty much every week occurance.
 
thediro said:
Not a chance, im a low staker, i do minimum spins at best, ill never get to that point and if i do , Bonanza 2 will be out by then.
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Isn't that what Bonanza Falls is? 🪙🚜

It's wild that Bonanza is a decade old and BTG hasn't really made another slot of similar caliber.
 
Another stinker.

I was only down like 1.5x when I got it, was really hoping after the 3x earlier this would do something and put me back for the day but yeah... so much for that.
 

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Another stinker.

I was only down like 1.5x when I got it, was really hoping after the 3x earlier this would do something and put me back for the day but yeah... so much for that.
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If nothing else I'm a persistent (and/or stupid) gambler.

Not content with this result I kept spinning and spinning and spinning. My initial £50 went and I was kicking myself for not just taking the £80 after the first bonus. Put in another £50 for 1 final go and got back on the grind.

Then suddenly the clouds parted, the sun started shinning and the slot gods looked down at me and said Luke you're due, it's time and I said you're damn right it's time. GOLD. Or maybe I just imagined it all because it took 1987 spins clicking away to get there but anyway...

Somehow up for the day after a decent 1x retrig bonus.

I tell you what if nothing else it really does show two things. Firstly Bonanza is insane for wagering. I just did 2300 spins at £1 off £100 and until the bonus at the end had hit nothing better than the original 26x bonus. Not counting the bonus at the end my RTP was at 95.9%. Yes sure I was down to my last £7 when the bonus did come but surely almost every other slot under the sun would have drained you dry long before that point without a good hit. Secondly it's the 95.98% model. I swear it plays way better than the 96% ones.
 

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Well sadly its just giving me the usual bs

~This is my 3rd bonus of the day

GOLD - £6

GOLD - £1.80

And now this

Went over to its "cousin" slot, and got ripped of there too

Honestly, this is getting beyond a joke now.
 

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thediro said:
Well sadly its just giving me the usual bs

~This is my 3rd bonus of the day

GOLD - £6

GOLD - £1.80

And now this

Went over to its "cousin" slot, and got ripped of there too

Honestly, this is getting beyond a joke now.
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Bonanza Falls is SO BAD for bonuses. You can run 50 bonuses and maybe see 5 tops which will top the 100x bonus buy, and most will be 15-45x. Absolutely dreadful game.
 
Akercocke said:
Bonanza Falls is SO BAD for bonuses. You can run 50 bonuses and maybe see 5 tops which will top the 100x bonus buy, and most will be 15-45x. Absolutely dreadful game.
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It’s all dreadful now tbh

Can’t believe how many fucking times I’m pulling out a low pay bonus for every bonus I’m hitting.

Just getting pointless now
 
It’s odd because I haven’t played bonanza falls and awful lot. Obv about 1% of what I’ve played bonanza but still a fair few spins.

I find the bonuses are either dreadful or actually fairly decent. You obv need a bit of luck with building the multi and then a decent multiplier drop but at least it does have far more potential. Of course it 100% can give a max Megaways in the bonus round too. So if u can get lucky with the drops and the multi it could really go off.

My average bonus on falls is way higher than on the original but from a far far less sample pool.

The problem with falls is that it rips the balance so quick and is still an absolute fucker to bonus.
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
It’s odd because I haven’t played bonanza falls and awful lot. Obv about 1% of what I’ve played bonanza but still a fair few spins.

I find the bonuses are either dreadful or actually fairly decent. You obv need a bit of luck with building the multi and then a decent multiplier drop but at least it does have far more potential. Of course it 100% can give a max Megaways in the bonus round too. So if u can get lucky with the drops and the multi it could really go off.

My average bonus on falls is way higher than on the original but from a far far less sample pool.

The problem with falls is that it rips the balance so quick and is still an absolute fucker to bonus.
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Sad thing is i hit it after 4 spins
 
Maybe I'll load that badboy up on 20p to give it a test.

I'm currently wallowing in self pity after getting a Train bonus on wanted dead or a wild followed by a literal next spin duel both on £1 and having them combined pay 15x when they'd have cost 280x.
 
if you play bonanza on 20p/0.20eur you really have nothing to complain about if it gives low paying bonuses, you should be lucky that it doesn't pay much especially if you also play at higher bets and then you lower it to 0.20.
 
toslotornot said:
if you play bonanza on 20p/0.20eur you really have nothing to complain about if it gives low paying bonuses, you should be lucky that it doesn't pay much especially if you also play at higher bets and then you lower it to 0.20.
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That makes no sense considering their gripe is mainly the x factor.
 
Anyone else find themselves sitting in front of the screen only in Bonanza with their two fingers pointing at the monitor permanently after the 3rd or 4th spin thinking here comes another shit bonus after daring to decide to give it another bash?
I have had about 6 weeks of it and its like dating an abusive girlfriend with daddy issues
 
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Yeah I burnt through my balance earlier with nothing to show for it.

Came back this evening and got a little something something.

Retrig first spin and another re later on too.

As is usually the case... feel disappointed with 'only' 213x from 22 spins and a 21x multi. Last 5 spins did basically jack shit. I had a filthy bait with 3 ways of purples all 6 reels if reel 1 had tumbled in on about 15x multi so little wonder it didn't!

I know I've had a bunch of good hits and most peoples posts are about bad hits so just to be clear I'm still down £50 for the day on the game :D
 

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