New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[toslotornot]

There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes than people realise, that’s for sure.

Sorry for going off track a bit but it seems to be a “go to” thread for a lot of players. Posting new threads or reviving old ones, seems a waste of time, because most of the hardcore players have left the building.

Here’s a scenario that I’ve posted before, or at least very similar to this. It’s never received a reply, even from the members who think Snorky is a nob. I’m assuming, they either missed it, weren’t sure of the answer, or do think I’m a nob.

Okay, so a slot has a rtp of 96% (figure is irrelevant really). People state that if you play that game for long enough, your rtp will be 96%. How?

If the game has 10 billion different combination spins possible, in the base game, (figure plucked out of the air), and a player does a million spins, they will only (at best, due to repeats), have seen 0.01% of the outcomes available, so how is it remotely likely that your rtp will be 96%?

The other thing is this. When you login to a game online, what are you logging into? I mean, are you logging into a game that has been played by others, but only 1 player at a time, or a game where the money is held in a communal pot and it’s pot luck who wins and loses. Or, and here’s a bit of food for thought, are you logging into your own personal version?

When I started playing, I never gave it any thought, or at least, very little. I assumed, very naively, that I was logging into a game played by others. We can rule out, only 1 playing at a time because that would mean a busy Casino would have multiple games unavailable at any one time.

Multiple versions being played by multiple people but with all the money in “one pot”, would make more sense, and that’s what I thought must be happening for a while.

The problem then would be how to keep everyone reasonably content…..Because in those days, I truly believe that was the Casino’s main objective……Surely having several thousand players continuously losing 4% for years on end, was better than fleecing the unlucky ones for £500 and have them move on.

In short, if they worked that way, it would be possible for some to be continually lucky and others could be constantly stuffed. So, how could they ensure that they have the best possible strategy to achieve a customer’s longevity? Easy, everyone logs into their own personal game that is programmed, (nothing random about it whatsoever), to pay out the 96% over a said period. They can also programme games in a way that ensures players never get too far ahead or never get ahead at all. The absolute guarantee is that if you play it for too long, it’s impossible to win.

This is how I believe they worked when there were fewer Casinos wanting a slice of the cake. BTG even got that lax about it, that after one of their updates, upon entering the game, instead of the home screen of Bonanza loading, you went to the same screen as where you left it, when you last logged out.

That’s how I think they worked, perhaps still do, but other shenanigans have also been added to the conundrum, I think. Once saturation point is reached, and it has been, then other strategies are used, lower rtp, being the main one. Saturation point is a combination of things that means from an operator point of view, things aren’t as good as they were.

Influencing factors include a larger number of Casinos wanting a piece of the action, so money is spread more thinly. A larger number of players Self-excluding because it becomes unviable and not enough new players to replace them. More stringent regulations and higher taxes, plus other things, that all lead to the customer getting much less enjoyment and losing money more quickly.

If you compare it to a land based Casino, then you can see the difference. When you walk into those, you choose which game, and which machine you play on. Whether you pick 1, 9, 10 or 26, makes a difference. One might be ready to drop the jackpot another might be on the steal. Online, I don’t think it makes a difference, you’re session is predetermined by what has happened previously. Your personal version knows it’s you and that’s the end of it.

I’ve also had too many, so called coincidences, that are hard to believe. When I first played online, I only played poker. Prior to this I’d played a serious amount of “live poker”.

My introduction (the honeymoon period) was unbelievable. In the first three weeks, I made a ridiculous amount of final tables, with some tournaments having up to 1,000 runners. My stats must have been good enough to be world champion. But, was it because I was playing well, or because I was being lured in?

I soon began to realise, it was the latter. The bad beats, the idiotic play that always got rewarded, etc, etc. I wasn’t playing big stakes so I continued for a while before going back to playing live.

One Saturday night, about 3 months after my last online deposit, I was going to head for the Casino (100 mile round trip), but my friends all had something else on, so I didn’t go. I noticed a message from 888. We have given you $10 free credit to spend on tournaments because it’s your birthday……Which was actually the next day.

I thought I may as well play it. So from memory, I tried to win a seat to the big tournament and lost 6 dollars and with the remaining $4, I entered a comp called (The Two? Could be wrong). I think it was because it guaranteed $2,000 dollars in prize money. I think there was about 400 plus runners, and for those of you who’ve played poker, it just felt like I couldn’t lose. Everything I played, I just smashed the flop. If someone had Queens, I had Kings, etc,etc.

Long and short, I won it just after midnight (so it was my birthday) $430? I think. But that has always stuck in my mind.

I hadn’t played for a few months, it was my birthday, all those runners. What better way to get me back on board than to fix a win for me. Of course, it worked, but only for a short while, during which time it became even more apparent that online poker is 100% rigged.

to make it easier and put all this into main bullet points I had this summarized by AI.
and this is what it said:
Based on the detailed perspective you’ve shared, here is a summary of the 10 main points regarding the inner workings of online gambling and the "predetermined" nature of player sessions:

1. Skepticism Toward Long-term RTP: You challenge the idea that a player will see the advertised Return to Player (RTP) (e.g., 96%) within their lifetime. Since a player only sees a tiny fraction (0.01%) of the billions of possible combinations, you argue that a 96% return is statistically unlikely for an individual.
2. The "Personal Game" Theory: You suspect that players are not logging into a communal pot but rather their own "personal version" of the game. In this view, the game is not random but programmed to deliver a specific result (the 96% return) to that specific user over a set period.
3. Engineered Longevity: You believe casinos prioritize "longevity" over "fleecing." Instead of letting a few players win big and others lose fast, you suggest they use strategies to keep everyone losing small amounts (e.g., 4%) consistently to keep them playing longer.
4. Predetermined Outcomes: In your view, online sessions are not random; they are influenced by your previous history. The game "knows it’s you" and ensures you can never get too far ahead, making it impossible to win in the long run.
5. Market Saturation & Tactics: As the casino market has become saturated with too many operators, you believe they have turned to "shenanigans" like lowering RTP and using more aggressive strategies to extract money from a thinning player base.
6. External Pressures: Factors like higher taxes, stricter regulations, and fewer new players are leading casinos to reduce the "enjoyment" factor, making the gambling experience more expensive and less rewarding for the customer.
7. Online vs. Land-Based Difference: You distinguish online play from land-based casinos where you can "pick a machine." Online, you feel your choices don't matter because the software has already decided your fate based on your account's profile.
8. The "Honeymoon Period": You describe an unbelievable run of luck when you first started online poker, making an impossible number of final tables. You believe this was a deliberate "lure" rather than a reflection of high-skill play.
9. Rigged "Action" in Poker: You observed that once the honeymoon phase ended, the game shifted toward "bad beats" and rewarding "idiotic play," which you interpret as a way to keep money moving and entice losing players to stay.
10. The "Birthday Win" Incident: You recount winning a tournament on your birthday after a long absence from the site. You view this as a clear example of a "fixed win" designed by the algorithm to re-engage you and get you to deposit again.

 

[itsme123]

So what are the thoughts on the DOA bonus? Bonus after bonus you are lucky to scrape x 10, maybe 1 bonus in 100 you will actually get x 200 or more, but I dont see anyone posting that its fixed or that its been nerfed. I dont see any in depth post saying how DOA cant be a 96% slot because most of the bonuses are x 10 or less.
Bonanza is what it is, bonuses will average out to 90 x over time, the x 1000 or times 4400 are rarities but the odd one will fall in, 5000 x or more base game hits will be rare but they will occasionally fall in.
I still play Bonanza regularly, have my ups and downs but for me its played a lot better over the last 2 years than it did for the first 3 or 4 years that I played it.
Its all swings and roundabouts with the only certainty being that the house will always win in the long run.

 

[lukey141]

I know the claims that are made regarding slots but I still absolutely feel like the game knows you and how your past play has been.

I was up over £1000 on £1 bets on more turkey, my last bonus being over 600x.

Since then I've given back £400 and I've only had 4 bonuses. A 0.5x, a 3x, a 10x and a 4 scatter that paid 25x. I've had no sizable base game hits in that time either. I know the sample size is tiny but it's just so odd that after having an RTP that must have been into the 140's it goes stone dead. Taken in a vacuum the last £400 must be running at an RTP around 60%. It just seems like the game is trying to get back to that RTP of 96%.

I had almost the exact thing with Bonanza too. I started playing on different site so 'fresh seed?' and the first 5000+ spins my rtp was in the 130's. After this point the game dropped off a cliff, 2 bonuses in 1500 spins, no big hits and rtp all the way down to 104. Again tiny sample but still makes me think the game knows it needs to take the rtp back in line were where it should be.

I've also noticed that when I've had noticeably dry spells on the slot that when it gives a bonus finally it tends to actually pay 100-200x+.

Just last night I was playing Extra Chilli and it was eating me alive. I was down to my last £4 (and down £196) when I finally got my first bonus and it paid 170x. By the time I triggered the 'free' feature' I was down about £55. The free feature retriggered TWICE! and still paid only £44 leaving me overall down £11 after 2.5 hours or so. Obviously not unhappy to be down that little in 2 hours but 44x for a double retrigger is suspect considering it made it line up pretty perfectly with where the RTP should have been.

I'm almost positive it's just my human brain trying to create connections that don't exist between the numbers but there's always that slight doubt in the back of my mind.

 

[snorky510238]

So what are the thoughts on the DOA bonus? Bonus after bonus you are lucky to scrape x 10, maybe 1 bonus in 100 you will actually get x 200 or more, but I dont see anyone posting that its fixed or that its been nerfed. I dont see any in depth post saying how DOA cant be a 96% slot because most of the bonuses are x 10 or less.
Bonanza is what it is, bonuses will average out to 90 x over time, the x 1000 or times 4400 are rarities but the odd one will fall in, 5000 x or more base game hits will be rare but they will occasionally fall in.
I still play Bonanza regularly, have my ups and downs but for me its played a lot better over the last 2 years than it did for the first 3 or 4 years that I played it.
Its all swings and roundabouts with the only certainty being that the house will always win in the long run.

You can’t compare DOA with Bonanza. That’s apples and pears stuff. One does hits of over 100,000 x stake and the other rarely hits more than 500 x stake. The vast majority of DOA bonuses are bound to be utter crap.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So what are the thoughts on the DOA bonus? Bonus after bonus you are lucky to scrape x 10, maybe 1 bonus in 100 you will actually get x 200 or more, but I dont see anyone posting that its fixed or that its been nerfed. I dont see any in depth post saying how DOA cant be a 96% slot because most of the bonuses are x 10 or less.
Bonanza is what it is, bonuses will average out to 90 x over time, the x 1000 or times 4400 are rarities but the odd one will fall in, 5000 x or more base game hits will be rare but they will occasionally fall in.
I still play Bonanza regularly, have my ups and downs but for me its played a lot better over the last 2 years than it did for the first 3 or 4 years that I played it.
Its all swings and roundabouts with the only certainty being that the house will always win in the long run.

This!

All these years later people are still being bamboozled by Bonanza's wacky maths model which at this point in time is very well understood and has been dissected at great length in this thread.

Once you're down 1000x on it, you're highly unlikely to ever get back into profit, at 2000x down it's basically all over.

But ultimately it will do what any 96% random slot will do to you over time, which is take 4% of your stake off you every single time the reels spin.

 

[itsme123]

You can’t compare DOA with Bonanza. That’s apples and pears stuff. One does hits of over 100,000 x stake and the other rarely hits more than 500 x stake. The vast majority of DOA bonuses are bound to be utter crap.

Why cant you compare them? They are both slots that run at 96% RTP. They have different ways of delivering that RTP and different mechanics but essentially the end result is the same.
Nobody is saying that DOA is nerfed but it has way more bonuses less than x 50 than Bonanza gives.

 

[dunover]

This!

All these years later people are still being bamboozled by Bonanza's wacky maths model which at this point in time is very well understood and has been dissected at great length in this thread.

Once you're down 1000x on it, you're highly unlikely to ever get back into profit, at 2000x down it's basically all over.

But ultimately it will do what any 96% random slot will do to you over time, which is take 4% of your stake off you every single time the reels spin.

I love this thread, aside from VS Battle of the Slots it has more shite collected under it than any other, and I started it! (ducks)

It's like Christmas, then the sun shines, it's May and everyone forgets the cold, but its memory is quietly accumulating in the background ready for an outpouring as the next December approaches - you know it'll be the same as last year, the year before and the year before that. Same decorations, same tree, same place in the room same old scene only the presents placed under it this time may differ slightly from the last. But they'll still be in the main those disappointing shower gel box sets, scented candles, bottles, chocolates and any other packaging-heavy tat you can think of.

 

[snorky510238]

Why cant you compare them? They are both slots that run at 96% RTP. They have different ways of delivering that RTP and different mechanics but essentially the end result is the same.
Nobody is saying that DOA is nerfed but it has way more bonuses less than x 50 than Bonanza gives.

One is extremely high volatility and the other is quite low. DOA is nerfed, just like any other slot. You only have to look at the amount of bonuses where 0-2 wilds appear. Then, when you hit the miracle, 7 or 8 land. That tells you that not every bonus round has an equal chance.

The amount is decided, the second a bonus appears, then the programme plays it out.

 

[lukey141]

And this is on the site where I was up a lot, another £100 down, 1 bonus, 0.2x. You really can't make this up. Fucking rtp correction before my eyes. 4x the best hit up to that point. Such a joke. It's like I'm playing a different game it's just completely different no base game, bonuses impossible to get and then just fucking totally dead yet the RTP still shows the same in the game info.

 

[M!ke]

I think BTG's math models are created by Satan.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think BTG's math models are created by Satan.

It is scummy but it's thoroughly and completely understood now, and has been completely deconstructed in this very thread with the numbers to back it all up.

I mean crikey, I did a video on my previous YT channel, years and years ago (never reuploaded to my new channel so it's not online now), going through all the various RTP allocations and event frequencies and whatnot to spell out how BTG had boxed clever in creating a very seductive maths model that was basically never going to deliver what it seemed to promise.

At the end of the day you can only slice 96% RTP up so many different ways, Bonanza is a well and truly solved puzzle at this point.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Like, the mythical version of Bonanza that some people insist they fondly remember, would have been running at about 125% RTP, since it apparently delivered lots of base game action, a regular feature that paid decently, and would also routinely spit out big wins as well.

Yeah sure, I'd like to play that slot as well please - I'm sure we all would!

 

[kg2025]

Kiss my arse , less than 2x in bonus round

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

No boasters in this thread please mate!

 

[thediro]

Dont worry just went through the same bs again, couldnt even be fucked getting a screenshot

225 spins - GOLD = Stake: 0.60 Total payout: £4

another 88 spins later - GOLD = Stake 0.40 Total Payout: £6.60

And you know the crazy thing is, i know again tin foil hat syndrome....

Ever since i accepted the "promo" of "Stake £500 and get 250 spins on XXXX" my hits have been atrocious, like on everything, which just isnt usually normal.

My base hits on Bonanza have been shocking, my bonuses through out bullets & bounty / DOA / Goonies etc, have been x5 - x10s at best and im even just *Feeling* a difference in the over all play, is it possible this is intentional and due to the fact they want me to "work" for the promo?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My base hits on Bonanza have been shocking, my bonuses through out bullets & bounty / DOA / Goonies etc, have been x5 - x10s at best and im even just *Feeling* a difference in the over all play, is it possible this is intentional and due to the fact they want me to "work" for the promo?

No, you're just having a bad run of luck. BTG do not have an evil team of coders working night and day to make a special edition 'thediro shafting' version of Bonanza.

The maths of the promo offer will all have been worked out by the casino ahead of time, most likely to induce a sense of 'sunk cost fallacy' to keep you gambling, and random games with a generous house edge will do the rest.

 

[thediro]

No, you're just having a bad run of luck. BTG do not have an evil team of coders working night and day to make a special edition 'thediro shafting' version of Bonanza.

The maths of the promo offer will all have been worked out by the casino ahead of time, most likely to induce a sense of 'sunk cost fallacy' to keep you gambling, and random games with a generous house edge will do the rest.

Prefer my tin foil hat analogy better tbh...

BTG are out to get us!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Think ur getting fucked over?? You ain’t got a clue mate.

Try waiting 7 hrs for those 2 shit features and then come back and talk to me.

 

[thediro]

Think ur getting fucked over?? You ain’t got a clue mate.

Try waiting 7 hrs for those 2 shit features and then come back and talk to me.

I did, a page back - got my 2 features after hours!

They both payed a combined total of around £5.50

 

[dunover]

Well, just done my January session, uploading it now. The spawn is outrageous, I must have the @interlog 125% version.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

get use to it then. It’s what the game does and ALWAYS has despite the shite that’s talked on here.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Well, just done my January session, uploading it now. The spawn is outrageous, I must have the @interlog 125% version.

Fuck off

I hope to see a 15 min video

 

[Jono777]

They've ALL been gimped and tampered with over the years.

All this mathematical bollocks aside, you cannot argue with extensive, lengthy years of experience and what my eyes tell me.

Cue, newbie or Chopley post .......................

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Well, just done my January session, uploading it now. The spawn is outrageous, I must have the @interlog 125% version.

2 festures off a 60x deposit is spawn.

Glad u busted out. U deserve that for the next 3 years every week.

 

[thediro]

lmao just watched Dazza vid, swere to god its mad evident how much this slot has been gimped to fuck.

Ive got a better chance finding my virginity again than a decent spin and win on this absolute pile of rhino shite.

Better luck next time Dazza ma boy, disgusting when you see them bonuses drop down just to see the mad row of deadspins follow on them...disgusting.

 

[dunover]

lmao just watched Dazza vid, swere to god its mad evident how much this slot has been gimped to fuck.

Ive got a better chance finding my virginity again than a decent spin and win on this absolute pile of rhino shite.

Better luck next time Dazza ma boy, disgusting when you see them bonuses drop down just to see the mad row of deadspins follow on them...disgusting.

It's the torment - 5 spins left, drops in the GOLD, just 60x and I'd have been back level again, then it bends me over, smearing itself with 100,000 scoville chilli sauce and proceeds to fire an absolute dud out.

 

[thediro]

It's the torment - 5 spins left, drops in the GOLD, just 60x and I'd have been back level again, then it bends me over, smearing itself with 100,000 scoville chilli sauce and proceeds to fire an absolute dud out.

Trust me, Next session is gonna be yours brother, can smell it already, either that or its the smell of your arse burning.

 

[snorky510238]

Ive got a better chance finding my virginity again than a decent spin and win on this absolute pile of rhino shite.

Love the vernacular dialect…..if that’s the correct term. Not sure what part of the country it comes from though.

 

[thediro]

Love the vernacular dialect…..if that’s the correct term. Not sure what part of the country it comes from though.

 

[snorky510238]

I would imagine, virgins and rhino shite are both at a premium, in that part of the world.

 

[philderby]

Well, just done my January session, uploading it now. The spawn is outrageous, I must have the @interlog 125% version.

Hang on, I thought youtube did away with uploading casino slot videos? Is it only certain slots they dont like?

 

[thediro]

Just got another bonus

0.60p stake - Total payout: £3.40

Defo think they have switched us off now boys, fuck BTG lol

 

[dunover]

Hang on, I thought youtube did away with uploading casino slot videos? Is it only certain slots they dont like?

No, first I've heard of it. They have rules about showing casinos names/branding or marketing links, or only being sponsored by approved sites if you are a sponsored channel.

 

[interlog]

Version 2.24 still working for me

 

[thediro]

Tis a scam

EDIT - Unfucking real, i just had my first 12 dead spin bonus lol, not a single connector.

fml

 

[lukey141]

And this is on the site where I was up a lot, another £100 down, 1 bonus, 0.2x. You really can't make this up. Fucking rtp correction before my eyes. 4x the best hit up to that point. Such a joke. It's like I'm playing a different game it's just completely different no base game, bonuses impossible to get and then just fucking totally dead yet the RTP still shows the same in the game info.

So I put another £100 in this evening and things were going pretty bad again until I hit a 45x base game that kept me afloat. I ended up getting a 4 scatter bonus down only £40. I thought this was finally going to be the game making up for eating £640 but not, 6th bonus in a row below 50x managing a pathetic 42x. All 6 bonuses combined haven't even paid 100x I think they're around 80-90 total now. I just knew after the first 2 spins were dead and the ways on the 3rd and 4th spin were all only 2 on the first 3 reels that it was going to flop.

I double checked the game info it's the same version the same rtp nothing has changed but the game is not spinning like it was before. I just don't see how a site could alter the games without any evidence as such but I am convinced that's what has happened.

Either way I at least got my £100 back from this evening and I've said to myself I'm never touching this game on this site again. At least I'm still up on the game, albeit £600 less than I was a few days ago. Game 100% knows who I am and how much it had paid me this month before it turned on the vacuum to try and line RTP up more with where it's supposed to be.


Edit: Tin foil hat time. I just switched back to Mr Vegas now my monthly loss limit has reset as I had £50 in there still that I couldn't play due to said limit. Loaded up More Turkey did about 40-50 spins balance stayed pretty close to even and I got a bonus. Paid a little over 50x. Spun a bit more maybe 30 spins later another bonus this time 109x. Two bonuses in a row at a different casino paying better than any of my last 6 on the same one where I had been winning previously. Crucially my RTP for More Turkey is around 85% here vs over 100% at the other casino.

Anyway £50 to £185 in 10 minutes. About time things turned around a little bit. Withdrawing now before I put it all back in lol.

 

[M!ke]

Edit: Tin foil hat time. I just switched back to Mr Vegas now my monthly loss limit has reset as I had £50 in there still that I couldn't play due to said limit. Loaded up More Turkey did about 40-50 spins balance stayed pretty close to even and I got a bonus. Paid a little over 50x. Spun a bit more maybe 30 spins later another bonus this time 109x. Two bonuses in a row at a different casino paying better than any of my last 6 on the same one where I had been winning previously. Crucially my RTP for More Turkey is around 85% here vs over 100% at the other casino.

Anyway £50 to £185 in 10 minutes. About time things turned around a little bit. Withdrawing now before I put it all back in lol.

More Turkey's volatility can be very giving sometimes.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So I put another £100 in this evening and things were going pretty bad again until I hit a 45x base game that kept me afloat. I ended up getting a 4 scatter bonus down only £40. I thought this was finally going to be the game making up for eating £640 but not, 6th bonus in a row below 50x managing a pathetic 42x. All 6 bonuses combined haven't even paid 100x I think they're around 80-90 total now. I just knew after the first 2 spins were dead and the ways on the 3rd and 4th spin were all only 2 on the first 3 reels that it was going to flop.

I double checked the game info it's the same version the same rtp nothing has changed but the game is not spinning like it was before. I just don't see how a site could alter the games without any evidence as such but I am convinced that's what has happened.

Either way I at least got my £100 back from this evening and I've said to myself I'm never touching this game on this site again. At least I'm still up on the game, albeit £600 less than I was a few days ago. Game 100% knows who I am and how much it had paid me this month before it turned on the vacuum to try and line RTP up more with where it's supposed to be.


Edit: Tin foil hat time. I just switched back to Mr Vegas now my monthly loss limit has reset as I had £50 in there still that I couldn't play due to said limit. Loaded up More Turkey did about 40-50 spins balance stayed pretty close to even and I got a bonus. Paid a little over 50x. Spun a bit more maybe 30 spins later another bonus this time 109x. Two bonuses in a row at a different casino paying better than any of my last 6 on the same one where I had been winning previously. Crucially my RTP for More Turkey is around 85% here vs over 100% at the other casino.

Anyway £50 to £185 in 10 minutes. About time things turned around a little bit. Withdrawing now before I put it all back in lol.

They are not altering the games, it is not 'compensating' because it knows who you are. What you are experiencing is the natural volatility and variance of random games, amplified by Bonanza's scummy maths model - you are not the first person to get caught in this vortex and the smartest move is to step out of it.

You are articulating two fallacies at the same time, the sunk cost fallacy and the gambler's fallacy, and between them they will mess with your head.

 

[thediro]

They are not altering the games, it is not 'compensating' because it knows who you are. What you are experiencing is the natural volatility and variance of random games, amplified by Bonanza's scummy maths model - you are not the first person to get caught in this vortex and the smartest move is to step out of it.

You are articulating two fallacies at the same time, the sunk cost fallacy and the gambler's fallacy, and between them they will mess with your head.

Agreed...im now there myself

I can physically feel and see the complete "altered" change that my spins have now went into, its like the RTP has now decided "Ok, time to suck you dry a bit before we give anything more back" - im on a complete 100% deadspin central right now with it, like dry as pie, dead spin after dead spin then im also noticing this lil shift in the gameplay when you get closer to a "low balance" it feels like the game knows to start shooting out more G-O-L on the run up to milking you, that mechanic of "let him think hes getting closer" before we anal blast him.

 

[snorky510238]

I’ll repeat myself again. The games are “super compensated”. When the pot is full, it pays out. When the pot is empty, it won’t pay out. It’s that simple.

On the days when it’s paying out, it feels like the best game ever, because your rtp could be running at about 105% or higher.

On the days it isn’t paying out, your rtp could be 75% or lower and you question if it’s the same game.

That is why, on days when it’s not paying, you can throw the kitchen sink at it and nothing will change.

It’s not a random, lucky spin, it’s a calculated spin, that guarantees the slot wins.

N.B. A Casino cannot alter a game from their side. It’s the provider that can alter the games. If a provider was running a game below expected rtp, the Casino probably wouldn’t know, but it’s possible, as they would both be “creaming off the top”.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Agreed...im now there myself

I can physically feel and see the complete "altered" change that my spins have now went into, its like the RTP has now decided "Ok, time to suck you dry a bit before we give anything more back" - im on a complete 100% deadspin central right now with it, like dry as pie, dead spin after dead spin then im also noticing this lil shift in the gameplay when you get closer to a "low balance" it feels like the game knows to start shooting out more G-O-L on the run up to milking you, that mechanic of "let him think hes getting closer" before we anal blast him.

The thing you need to get your head around with Bonanza is the ability it has to grind you out.

It cannot be over-emphasised how much that 1/460 average feature frequency can hurt, all the time whilst that large allocation of RTP to the base game is just slowly wearing you down. Yes you can get ahead of the curve and hit a decent run of features in terms of frequency/pays, but the odds really are stacked against you in terms of that happening - in a way that few other slots do.

I had a great run on Berrini's Fortune at 3Dice yesterday, starting balance of £100 and after seven and a half hours of constant play, I cashed out at a balance of £400, peaking earlier at £435 - the entire lot was done on 25p spins and my biggest single win in seven and a half hours was just over 300x. (Despite my low to high point being a raise of 1340x.)

Thing is that game has a really regular feature with a lot of RTP allocated to it, which is kind of the inverse of Bonanza, it's much easier to catch a decent run on Berrini's than it is on Bonanza, but the flip side of that is if your feature frequency and average pays are below par on Berrini's, it'll damage you quicker than Bonanza because you don't have the base game churn to save you.

You are fighting a battle against Bonanza that many before you have also fought and lost, and the 890 pages of this thread will bear testament to that.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I’ll repeat myself again. The games are “super compensated”. When the pot is full, it pays out. When the pot is empty, it won’t pay out. It’s that simple.

Absolutely no evidence to support this claim has ever been presented and the game would be breaching the terms of its licensing if it did this.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

On the days when it’s paying out, it feels like the best game ever, because your rtp could be running at about 105% or higher.

On the days it isn’t paying out, your rtp could be 75% or lower and you question if it’s the same game.

That is why, on days when it’s not paying, you can throw the kitchen sink at it and nothing will change.

You are literally just describing random variance.

 

[dunover]

Tis a scam

EDIT - Unfucking real, i just had my first 12 dead spin bonus lol, not a single connector.

fml

I had just one of those in 9 years, of 12 dead spins zero win. Have had a couple of sub-1x, the most notable being on £4 spins, already cashed out a big profit, last spin with 4.50 left it dropped the feature in and paid 1.80, or 0.45x. That's the one I'll always remember. Like a punishment for cashing-out and winning beforehand. Didn't even have enough left for another £4 spin.

 

[dunover]

Version 2.24 still working for me

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Should've tagged that @snorky510238 @PMKFRUITPRO

Mind you, I can't laugh having only seen one single 1,000x plus in nearly 4 years.

 

[thediro]

I had just one of those in 9 years, of 12 dead spins zero win. Have had a couple of sub-1x, the most notable being on £4 spins, already cashed out a big profit, last spin with 4.50 left it dropped the feature in and paid 1.80, or 0.45x. That's the one I'll always remember. Like a punishment for cashing-out and winning beforehand. Didn't even have enough left for another £4 spin.

Yeah i mean, im not gonna sit here and act like im a "big baller" the MOSt at best ill do is £1 spins if that, most times im a low stake gambler - 20/40p spins, if i hit cap up above £100 - ill switch to 0.60

This was my 3rd bonus of the session on a low balance around £3, keep in mind, last 2 bonuses were on 0.40p spins and they payed £4.50 & £12, so this bonus was a hail Mary on a 0.60p spin.

Usual routine, G-O-L-D just came flooding down around £3.50 on the balance on a 60pence spin, im oozing with excitement, wee smoke rolled, hit START - continue to watch 12 dead spins - At this rate id have been happy with a fucking tenner.

What makes it more disgusting, i just hit £45 on a single spin on 20pence about an 15min after it.

 

[interlog]

It is not that I aways get good bonuses. Just played back some rakeback from yesterdays play, Managed to get the $20 up to $180 thanks to Gonzo's Quest Megaways base game hit but then Bonanza took it all at $0.60 a spin with one single Gold+5 bonus that paid 6x

 

[snorky510238]

You are literally just describing random variance.

No, I’m not, I’m describing a compensated slot. That’s exactly how compensated slots work.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Unlimited Win Multiplier!

The biggest lie ever told!

Let me know in the decade this game has been out who has ever reached a multiplier above 50x let alone 100x.

Unlimited win multiplier?

Yeah right!

Load of tosh.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Unlimited Win Multiplier!

The biggest lie ever told!

Let me know in the decade this game has been out who has ever reached a multiplier above 50x let alone 100x.

Unlimited win multiplier?

Yeah right!

Load of tosh.

Covered in this post a few pages back

Also here's a screenshot of the 'UNLIMITED FREE SPINS' round on Wish Upon A Jackpot on the Blueprint digi cabs. Generally does about 15-20 spins, if that.

New Slot Announcement Post in thread 'Bonanza by Big Time Gaming'

Jan 11, 2026

Why?? Bonanza doesn’t have a ‘max win’ as such does it? It’s apparently set by the casino in terms of what they would allow/pay out should that miracle happen whereby you hit multiple lines of 6 OAK diamonds on a huge multi.

It’s not like pragmatic or NLC/Hacksaw/push etc etc. These games have pre scripted max win patterns that should you be lucky enough to pull from the bag are presented to you via reel displays.

BTG use to love mentioning the fact that bonanzas bonus round (amongst other games of theirs) isn’t pre scripted thereby giving you this unlimited multiplier and unlimited...

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Somewhere in BTG's vaults will be the data they did when they were designing and testing this slot, so they'll know what the highest win and multiplier it ever achieved was.

Using the word 'unlimited' conjures up images in our brains that are quite deceptive, they're using it more in the context of it not being a defined number, rather than it can end up at a 8463x multiplier or some such shit. There's a Blueprint game called Wish Upon A Jackpot on the pub digi cabs that has an 'unlimited' free spins round that generally gets to about 15 spins or so before the other things that end the round kick in. Same sort of idea.

Don't get me wrong on this, I'm not defending the way BTG marketed and promoted Bonanza, especially with the fake screenshot bullshit. But both things can be true at the same time, BTG were deceptive arseholes AND working out the average cost of a slots feature is a solved mathematical problem.

Bonanza has more complex maths than many games, that's kind of baked into Megaways and all the dynamic reel sets and other stuff it has going on, but it's nothing that can't be crunched down into a digestible stats sheet after having a powerful computer chuck as many billions upon billions of simulated game rounds through it as is deemed necessary to get the numbers right.