That's wild considering how many spins you put through it. I've seen a 1200x base win on More Turkey (6 OAK purples 24 ways) and I'm nowhere near a million spins.
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Posting in this thread I feel like a guy that's just started drinking in a new pub and is butting into the regulars conversation!
I played Bonanza for the second time ever last night after seeing this thread always on top and hit the bonus round in 20 spins at min stake. I ended up about 25x up so I feel like I might be the only person in the world who's ahead on it if this thread is anything to go by. Is there a "I played Bonanza and Won" t-shirt gathering dust somewhere that I can have?
Also @snorky510238 I spent a lot of my evenings last year searching slot information and remember seeing you posts in a lot of the threads I read. Lots of times I was like that "he's (probably) right you know" meme while reading your posts.
Anyway sorry to interrupt!
I played Bonanza for the second time ever last night after seeing this thread always on top and hit the bonus round in 20 spins at min stake. I ended up about 25x up so I feel like I might be the only person in the world who's ahead on it if this thread is anything to go by. Is there a "I played Bonanza and Won" t-shirt gathering dust somewhere that I can have?
Also @snorky510238 I spent a lot of my evenings last year searching slot information and remember seeing you posts in a lot of the threads I read. Lots of times I was like that "he's (probably) right you know" meme while reading your posts.
Anyway sorry to interrupt!
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there are people that have played it for the first time and hit a 1000x on their first bonus and then there are those that have had hundreds of bonuses on it and not had a 1000x
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ive been playing Bonanza for several years now,had alot more lows than highs,i had a whole year without even getting above £200 on 40p 60p spins,in the last 5 weeks yes ive had some lovely wins its not even money back territory,like a few have said when that lower RTP kicks in soon probably will be time to walk away and maybe have a bash once a week on DOA at low stakes £20 in sort of thing
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I still enjoy the various Bonzanas, including the occasional go on "Falls". Extra Chilli was always a favourite, especially when it dropped a 3000x in the basegame - annoyed that they've taken the RTP down on that in a number of places though.
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You asked for it! Actually happened twice! First one was this crazy marvel - I had my hand hovering over the "Print Screen" button just in case the 1st row dropped, and the result:
And then this one from practically 12 months ago, which I'd somehow forgotten about entirely! (Mrs Congo spent all the money):
And then this one from practically 12 months ago, which I'd somehow forgotten about entirely! (Mrs Congo spent all the money):
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Retrigger on first spin was a 5 scatter trigger 
What ever you guys say i still give it few spins in nearly every session
What ever you guys say i still give it few spins in nearly every session
Retrigger on first spin was a 5 scatter trigger
What ever you guys say i still give it few spins in nearly every session
I think Bonanza is only good for a shot here and there. I play it infrequently and it's tolerable for the most part. If someone consistently plays it, it's very likely to piss 'em off.
Good win, by the way. I wish my 60 and 80 cent More Turkey bonus games would produce like that.
I tried More Turkey for the first time this evening. Technically the RTP is .4% higher so you would expect it to do a little better in the long run but somehow it felt a lot fairer. Less of the mega BS teases and more actual connects all the way.
I know 3 vs 4 scatters doesn't make the slightest difference if the bonus odds are the same but it just feels way less painful when you only need 3 and getting 2 doesn't hurt as much as getting GOL. I absolutely detest the L drops in bonanza that can't do anything and just block the cascade. Whenever I see it I think the slot is giving me the L for loser. 2 Turkey's way less offensive hah.
I know 3 vs 4 scatters doesn't make the slightest difference if the bonus odds are the same but it just feels way less painful when you only need 3 and getting 2 doesn't hurt as much as getting GOL. I absolutely detest the L drops in bonanza that can't do anything and just block the cascade. Whenever I see it I think the slot is giving me the L for loser. 2 Turkey's way less offensive hah.
Turkey's math is a little less volatile than Bonanza's but still volatile enough to dish out some big wins in the base game. Got a 1200x once (6 OAK purples 24 ways) and seen a handful of 200 to 400x wins.
I think the RTP is balanced decently between the base and bonus game. Bonanza's RTP seems to strongly favor the bonus games, but even they can be downright horrible.
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This is incorrect, Bonanza has an unusually large amount of RTP allocated to the base game, which is where the famous 'Bonanza churn' comes from.
Whilst Bonanza's feature does have a higher than average pay at 90x (ish), this is 'paid for' with its very rare 1/460 frequency.
The exact numbers are in this thread somewhere, @dunover got them from behind the scenes at some point.
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Well it’s a 90x bonus buy so what ever 4% less of that is, to get ur average feature.
That is of course providing the bonus buy feature is the same as the standard one.
I’m surprised it’s not more in the DHV 60x buy region as the majority of them are garbage.
That is of course providing the bonus buy feature is the same as the standard one.
I’m surprised it’s not more in the DHV 60x buy region as the majority of them are garbage.
Slot has turned to dogshit
Same shitty payouts over and over
Takes to long to hit a bonus and when you do it’s always unfulfilling.
Time to move on now had its good moments but now it’s just another trash slot to stick on the shelf.
Starting to notice a lot of RTP adjustments now too, can imagine it’s in line with the new UK tax coming in that’s taking casinos in the uk from 21% to 43% or something.
Paddy power ESEPCIALLY has had major adjustments to RTP.
Noticed bullets and bounty went from 96.28% to now 94%.
Almost most of there slots had went down to 93% Rtp.
Looks like the end of an era is near!
Same shitty payouts over and over
Takes to long to hit a bonus and when you do it’s always unfulfilling.
Time to move on now had its good moments but now it’s just another trash slot to stick on the shelf.
Starting to notice a lot of RTP adjustments now too, can imagine it’s in line with the new UK tax coming in that’s taking casinos in the uk from 21% to 43% or something.
Paddy power ESEPCIALLY has had major adjustments to RTP.
Noticed bullets and bounty went from 96.28% to now 94%.
Almost most of there slots had went down to 93% Rtp.
Looks like the end of an era is near!
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First time in all thos years i get the 6 scatters straight in 
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I had that once in 9 years, the 6 'THUDS' in quick succession. Great sound, usually very quickly forgotten once the rubbish return is realized. Still, over 440x isn't too bad.First time in all thos years i get the 6 scatters straight in
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Yeah only had that once myself as well. Rest assured it paid nowhere near that amount.
Hey look another example why to NEVER get excited by the +5 it’s a fucking sign that you are going to get dead soon central and fucked over beyond belief
17 spins
13 dead spins
Get this *snip* that btg rep who vanished to lol
The entire slot is a disgrace now
17 spins
13 dead spins
Get this *snip* that btg rep who vanished to lol
The entire slot is a disgrace now
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I know it's not Bonanza but it's along the same lines from the same provider. Anyone had any experience with Royal Mint?
I'm intrigued by the idea that 40 3 scatter teases gets you a super bonus which is 24 spins instead of 12 and multi goes up by 2x rather than 1x.
I'm guessing the 3 scatter teases are way less frequent because of this but 24 spins and 2x multi increasing has to be worth a lot of money but I do worry that means a lot of RTP is basically locked behind this feature and it will be very expensive to get that 'free' feature.
I'm intrigued by the idea that 40 3 scatter teases gets you a super bonus which is 24 spins instead of 12 and multi goes up by 2x rather than 1x.
I'm guessing the 3 scatter teases are way less frequent because of this but 24 spins and 2x multi increasing has to be worth a lot of money but I do worry that means a lot of RTP is basically locked behind this feature and it will be very expensive to get that 'free' feature.
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It's not 24 spins, just 12 but the multi does increase by 2x each win. I hardly play it, but best win in the super bonus was a 1500X hit.
Try Who Wants To Be A Millionaire as well - that can hand out 117K Megaways in the bonus.
Try Who Wants To Be A Millionaire as well - that can hand out 117K Megaways in the bonus.
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60x on a plus 5 is perfectly normal!!
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60x on a plus 5 is
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I mean think about this.
The very fact that you can buy bonuses on millionaire Megaways kind of exposes the levels of expectations you can have on bonanza.
They offer a 20 free spin trigger for a 150x buy. For a bonus that has way more potential than bonanzas because it CAN actually produce a max Megaways within the feature. We know that bonanza can’t, despite that lying prick from BTG claiming it could. Not only that but with the 150x buy you get a free shot to add more spins!!
Now u try getting up to 20 spins on millionaire and see what it can cost on average??
Then see what the average cost of a +5 +5 set up is on bonanza or how many features you need to retrigger to that amount of spins??
Tells you all you need to know about what to expect from these miracle triggers/occurences.
They have lottery style odds of occurring but BTG values them at 150x!!!!
Say no more.
The very fact that you can buy bonuses on millionaire Megaways kind of exposes the levels of expectations you can have on bonanza.
They offer a 20 free spin trigger for a 150x buy. For a bonus that has way more potential than bonanzas because it CAN actually produce a max Megaways within the feature. We know that bonanza can’t, despite that lying prick from BTG claiming it could. Not only that but with the 150x buy you get a free shot to add more spins!!
Now u try getting up to 20 spins on millionaire and see what it can cost on average??
Then see what the average cost of a +5 +5 set up is on bonanza or how many features you need to retrigger to that amount of spins??
Tells you all you need to know about what to expect from these miracle triggers/occurences.
They have lottery style odds of occurring but BTG values them at 150x!!!!
Say no more.
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The fact you can buy bonuses, tells you that bonus rounds are rigged…..They can’t possibly be left to chance/random. Otherwise the provider wouldn’t know where to set the “cost”.
This bullshit, (and that’s exactly what it is) about games paying way higher amounts once they go live, than they did in testing, is just a clever marketing ploy.
I don’t know what else I can do to make people understand how they are being deceived.
Do we really think for a second, that BTG could approach a Casino and get them to host a slot that has unlimited potential?
Just imagine the conversation.
“Yes , you’ll make a fortune out of this one….Oh, unless the 64 ways of 6oak diamonds pops up on a 30x multiplier with a £20 stake”.
“Yes, we understand that would bankrupt the Casino, but don’t worry it won’t happen.”
What happens when a jackpot slot with a top prize of 50 million is launched? Do you really think there’s the slightest possibility that jackpot gets hit on the first day, which leaves it 49. whatever million, in the hole.
Of course there isn’t. That won’t drop until it’s made double that amount.
This bullshit, (and that’s exactly what it is) about games paying way higher amounts once they go live, than they did in testing, is just a clever marketing ploy.
I don’t know what else I can do to make people understand how they are being deceived.
Do we really think for a second, that BTG could approach a Casino and get them to host a slot that has unlimited potential?
Just imagine the conversation.
“Yes , you’ll make a fortune out of this one….Oh, unless the 64 ways of 6oak diamonds pops up on a 30x multiplier with a £20 stake”.
“Yes, we understand that would bankrupt the Casino, but don’t worry it won’t happen.”
What happens when a jackpot slot with a top prize of 50 million is launched? Do you really think there’s the slightest possibility that jackpot gets hit on the first day, which leaves it 49. whatever million, in the hole.
Of course there isn’t. That won’t drop until it’s made double that amount.
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Of course they can work out the average 'cost' of a feature, it's a fundamental part of slots design and a completely solved mathematical problem.
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Yes im sorry Snorks but that’s a rediculous statement!!!
Plenty of silly high variance nut job games do their max wins of 200,000 x on a regular basis from day one.
But think what the buy in cost is to actually have a decent chance of hitting it? It’s actually quite a low X win in comparison. The odds of hitting said wins from ordinary feature play is gazillions to one.
My above post was merely highlighting what BTG values it’s higher spins feature buys at. Hence why so many 22 spin bonanza triggers deliver an average of around 100-200x
You feel with such a miracle occurrence you should be in for some money but you rarely are.
Plenty of silly high variance nut job games do their max wins of 200,000 x on a regular basis from day one.
But think what the buy in cost is to actually have a decent chance of hitting it? It’s actually quite a low X win in comparison. The odds of hitting said wins from ordinary feature play is gazillions to one.
My above post was merely highlighting what BTG values it’s higher spins feature buys at. Hence why so many 22 spin bonanza triggers deliver an average of around 100-200x
You feel with such a miracle occurrence you should be in for some money but you rarely are.
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Also jackpot games are seeded with a low starting amount for a reason. The players then pay for what it eventually gets to and comes out on.
It’s already paid for (and loads more)when it comes out 999 times out of a 1000. An early drop is no big deal. Hence why they don’t start the reset seed at 50 million!!!
It’s already paid for (and loads more)when it comes out 999 times out of a 1000. An early drop is no big deal. Hence why they don’t start the reset seed at 50 million!!!
If you think Bonanza gives a lot of dead spins in the Bonus and get frustrated by that, then don't play WWTBAM - dead spin city in the bonus.
I have had more bad bonuses on Millionaire than on Bonanza
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Yes, because you get the impression via suggestion (same as me and everyone else) due to having an increasing multiplier format that's based on a reels win about every 2.5 - 3 spins, that more spins should mean higher multipliers and more wins, thus far higher yields. That is actually mathematically logical.
So we know Bonanza retriggers for +5 and 9 times out of 10 you WILL hit a run of 4,5 or 6 dead spins after a retrigger, or sometimes before the retrigger drops. So that's why I call the 17-spinners the trigger of doom, or retrigger of doom.
On WWTBAM if you think about it, it's quite usual via the gamble to start with 14, 18 or 20 spins. So you would expect a bigger yield, naturally. Factor in the possibility of max-ways reels once or twice in the bonus, the potential is huge. This is where dead spin central manifests itself, quickly disabusing you of the notion and hope you are going to win big.
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There’s a reason for that imo.
It’s easier to land and it can ping the 117,649 at any point.
Give with one hand and take with the other.
I’ve done way less spins on millionaire than I have bonanza (but it’s probably very high into the 6 figures) but like numerous other slots it’s trumped my biggest bonus and base hits I’ve had on bonanza on several occasions.
The Max Megaways have been responsible for all of my best and biggest hits on millionaire. You don’t get those in the bonus on bonanza!!
It’s easier to land and it can ping the 117,649 at any point.
Give with one hand and take with the other.
I’ve done way less spins on millionaire than I have bonanza (but it’s probably very high into the 6 figures) but like numerous other slots it’s trumped my biggest bonus and base hits I’ve had on bonanza on several occasions.
The Max Megaways have been responsible for all of my best and biggest hits on millionaire. You don’t get those in the bonus on bonanza!!
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Surely, to work out the cost, you would need to know what the max possible hit is. Theoretically, if outcomes were truly random and the multiplier was truly unlimited, the max outcome would be unknown.
If you are saying the max hit is known, then strictly, with those mechanics, the outcomes are not random.
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Why?? Bonanza doesn’t have a ‘max win’ as such does it? It’s apparently set by the casino in terms of what they would allow/pay out should that miracle happen whereby you hit multiple lines of 6 OAK diamonds on a huge multi.
It’s not like pragmatic or NLC/Hacksaw/push etc etc. These games have pre scripted max win patterns that should you be lucky enough to pull from the bag are presented to you via reel displays.
BTG use to love mentioning the fact that bonanzas bonus round (amongst other games of theirs) isn’t pre scripted thereby giving you this unlimited multiplier and unlimited spins and potential bollox. But you and I know that the bonus round isn’t gonna go on for ever is it?
So you run a few billion bonus rounds in test. Take the average return of all of them. Shave off 4% and then set that to the bonus buy cost.
I said a while back in this thread that I wished it did have a pre scripted max win of say 5,000x or something. At least then you and I might have hit it a few times. But oh no the unlimited ‘potential’ is somethimg they like to beat the drum about right?? It really doesn’t matter. The gimped reel sets pretty much control the elements like a gates of hell bonus on DHV.
Is it still a ‘random’ spin on each free spin?? Yes but with gimped reels that barring a miracle basically block everything 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 it doesn’t make a difference over time. The ‘average’ bonus is worked out easily enough when you’ve had a few billion of them.
I bet you the casinos don’t even have anything in place that even caps wins on bonanza like other games because they don’t need to.
But earlier you mentioned about casinos going bankrupt from a huge jackpot dropping early? Some casinos DO limit themselves to huge win exposure by capping the stakes on some games that can and DO drop the max wins. DOA 2 is a classic example of this.
You don’t have to worry about shite like bonanza making a difference to any casinos bottom line!!!
But a max win on DOA 2 at £9 stake is gonna hurt. Which is why numerous casinos don’t allow you to play at that stake ‘just in case’
With bonanza there is nothing to see here so they don’t give a fuck.
It’s not like pragmatic or NLC/Hacksaw/push etc etc. These games have pre scripted max win patterns that should you be lucky enough to pull from the bag are presented to you via reel displays.
BTG use to love mentioning the fact that bonanzas bonus round (amongst other games of theirs) isn’t pre scripted thereby giving you this unlimited multiplier and unlimited spins and potential bollox. But you and I know that the bonus round isn’t gonna go on for ever is it?
So you run a few billion bonus rounds in test. Take the average return of all of them. Shave off 4% and then set that to the bonus buy cost.
I said a while back in this thread that I wished it did have a pre scripted max win of say 5,000x or something. At least then you and I might have hit it a few times. But oh no the unlimited ‘potential’ is somethimg they like to beat the drum about right?? It really doesn’t matter. The gimped reel sets pretty much control the elements like a gates of hell bonus on DHV.
Is it still a ‘random’ spin on each free spin?? Yes but with gimped reels that barring a miracle basically block everything 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 it doesn’t make a difference over time. The ‘average’ bonus is worked out easily enough when you’ve had a few billion of them.
I bet you the casinos don’t even have anything in place that even caps wins on bonanza like other games because they don’t need to.
But earlier you mentioned about casinos going bankrupt from a huge jackpot dropping early? Some casinos DO limit themselves to huge win exposure by capping the stakes on some games that can and DO drop the max wins. DOA 2 is a classic example of this.
You don’t have to worry about shite like bonanza making a difference to any casinos bottom line!!!
But a max win on DOA 2 at £9 stake is gonna hurt. Which is why numerous casinos don’t allow you to play at that stake ‘just in case’
With bonanza there is nothing to see here so they don’t give a fuck.
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BTG mentioned a lot of things, which all pretty much turned out to be, bollox.
The strange thing is, if what they said is true, then the max win would be known. It would be complex to work out, but there would be a formula for it. That fact they chose not to tell us the max win, is probably because it would have busted the myth and far less people would have played it.
Imagine if they’d come out before the launch and said that it’s extremely rare to hit x1,000 and almost impossible to hit over x 3,000. The game would have flopped.
From a business point of view, they got it spot on. Created the myth, sucked us all in, then sat back and counted the dollars.
In the gambling world…..Nobody….and I mean nobody, would entertain hosting any sort of game where their liability is “Unknown” because that’s not how it works.
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Yes this is about the size of it really. Somewhere in BTG's vaults will be the data they did when they were designing and testing this slot, so they'll know what the highest win and multiplier it ever achieved was.
Using the word 'unlimited' conjures up images in our brains that are quite deceptive, they're using it more in the context of it not being a defined number, rather than it can end up at a 8463x multiplier or some such shit. There's a Blueprint game called Wish Upon A Jackpot on the pub digi cabs that has an 'unlimited' free spins round that generally gets to about 15 spins or so before the other things that end the round kick in. Same sort of idea.
Don't get me wrong on this, I'm not defending the way BTG marketed and promoted Bonanza, especially with the fake screenshot bullshit. But both things can be true at the same time, BTG were deceptive arseholes AND working out the average cost of a slots feature is a solved mathematical problem.
Bonanza has more complex maths than many games, that's kind of baked into Megaways and all the dynamic reel sets and other stuff it has going on, but it's nothing that can't be crunched down into a digestible stats sheet after having a powerful computer chuck as many billions upon billions of simulated game rounds through it as is deemed necessary to get the numbers right.
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The casinos themselves set their own ‘liability’ in their T’s and C’s.
Not by actually intervening in the code of the game design but by stating it somewhere on their site. It’s different at each casino.
There is no ‘max win’ on bonanza because of how it’s designed. And they promoted it as that with its unlimited this and that etc.
The bonus round isn’t prescripted. If you happened to hit 3,000,000x on it then you would either be paid that out or the casino ur playing on would direct you to theirs small print and say the maximum they will pay you out on any one game round is £xxxxxx. So you can have that but ur not having the rest.
As we ALL know bonanza is no danger what so ever to any casino. I’m sure BTG will know in the archives somewhere whst the biggest bonus is that it’s ever paid out. But they can’t say it’s that figure exactly as it’s max win because by some miracle it could be beaten. I believe this happened on Lil Devil, whereby a lucky punter almost doubled what had occurred during testing with a 100,000 odd x hit.
Obviously Pragmatics and doa 2 along with NLC etc etc just hit the max win programmed and the bonus round just stops, it can’t go past or carry on because it’s pre programmed not to. Retro tapes by push and Sam Quentin are good examples of why the cap is in place as they often go WAY past the max win.
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But I do agree with you on one thing.
They’ve proved that they can’t be trusted with the nonsense they’ve said and done in the past.
That is factual and nobody can deny it.
They’ve proved that they can’t be trusted with the nonsense they’ve said and done in the past.
That is factual and nobody can deny it.
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It can drop in monstrous hits but think about the mechanic and how that makes it so vanishingly unlikely. Literally a case of all the planets lining up.
So you need a feature 1/450-ish spins. You need to get a double-figures multiplier which is say 1/3 bonus rounds. Then you need a non-max ways base-game hit of 800-1000x ish to land, of which in 9 years I've had one. So a ball park figure, occurs once in 1m spins. That in turn would need to fall on a free spin where the multiplier has attained 10-15x so on one of the latter spins in the bonus, probably after a 5-scatter trigger or retrigger has occurred so randomly appearing on twelfth spin or later*.
So 450x 3x 1m x 12* so a 10,000x or better hit would be 16,200,000,000/1
Or once for every 16,200 players who like a few of us claim to (and probably have) played a million spins or more on the bastard.
Like I said, not meant to be accurate, just a very approximate indicator of unlikelihood.
So you need a feature 1/450-ish spins. You need to get a double-figures multiplier which is say 1/3 bonus rounds. Then you need a non-max ways base-game hit of 800-1000x ish to land, of which in 9 years I've had one. So a ball park figure, occurs once in 1m spins. That in turn would need to fall on a free spin where the multiplier has attained 10-15x so on one of the latter spins in the bonus, probably after a 5-scatter trigger or retrigger has occurred so randomly appearing on twelfth spin or later*.
So 450x 3x 1m x 12* so a 10,000x or better hit would be 16,200,000,000/1
Or once for every 16,200 players who like a few of us claim to (and probably have) played a million spins or more on the bastard.
Like I said, not meant to be accurate, just a very approximate indicator of unlikelihood.
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I have heard from a somewhat credible source that 'last spin no win', so that screenshot is obviously fake.
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Yeah I’m gonna keep plugging away!!!
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WOW, that is unbelievable. Ironically I once had the same spin, 3 ways of 6OAK diamonds for 150x bet on the FIRST bloody spin with no multiplier in play, which led to much swearing on the video it's in.
You had 2100x via being on a 14x multi at the time. That's some serious spawn that I have been led to believe in this thread is only a thing of the past.
WOW, that is unbelievable. Ironically I once had the same spin, 3 ways of 6OAK diamonds for 150x bet on the FIRST bloody spin with no multiplier in play, which led to much swearing on the video it's in.
You had 2100x via being on a 14x multi at the time. That's some serious spawn that I have been led to believe in this thread is only a thing of the past.
I've not had that but just yesterday I had a bonus where the first spin with the 1x Multi paid 70x. The next 11 spins paid about 30x more. So damn annoying and I know full well it knows what it's doing. It's like if you're going to give me 100x just give me a bunch of small hits don't do 1 huge one with no stupid multi and make me dare to believe I'm about to witness something...
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Yeah, I get that because IIRC the 150x first-spin example I gave ended up at 172x when it ended after 12 spins.
