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[dunover]

I ask again. Can you show me something that proves the numbers in my chart are probably random? It's not a wild claim. That's the recorded data, I can give you the raw numbers if you like but I suspect you're just full of hot air.
I wasn't looking for it but it's too obvious to miss. And it still happens. My last 100 bonuses have been on average 504.63 spins apart, my average win is 101.2335. That 20% is constant and has been since the second day of me recording numbers. Please tell me how two completely unrelated things can stay at the same ratio for so long.

With regard RNGs - what do BTG use for their games? You use the word 'essentially'. Random is absolute. It either is or isn't. Pseudorandom is as random as pseudoscience is science. I suppose that means PRNGs are the equivalent of homeopathy!

I think the point is: can YOU prove they're NOT random?

The complexity of the game would need billions of results logged to firmly establish if there was any pattern. Don't forget, the bonus round is managed to some extent by using different reel sets which the developers can do perfectly lawfully. They do this to regulate the 'lumpiness' of the features.

I am the same as you in some ways in that I often 'see' patterns but cognitive bias plays a part in that.

 

[snorky510238]

The one thing I can never get away from is, it’s either landing the bonus or it isn’t. Catch it right and you can land 5 or 6 (not as often as previously I admit). Catch it wrong and after a while you just know, you could throw the proverbial kitchen sink and it would not land.

On the rare occasion that I have forced it through sheer numbers, it has without fail, paid appallingly. That just screams, servers are hot or cold. This is exactly the type of play you would expect to see from a compensated game and it undoubtedly is.

 

[Scatter]

439x

 

[ritae]

Nice hit a few moments ago. 1155X

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I ask again. Can you show me something that proves the numbers in my chart are probably random? It's not a wild claim. That's the recorded data, I can give you the raw numbers if you like but I suspect you're just full of hot air.
I wasn't looking for it but it's too obvious to miss. And it still happens. My last 100 bonuses have been on average 504.63 spins apart, my average win is 101.2335. That 20% is constant and has been since the second day of me recording numbers. Please tell me how two completely unrelated things can stay at the same ratio for so long.

With regard RNGs - what do BTG use for their games? You use the word 'essentially'. Random is absolute. It either is or isn't. Pseudorandom is as random as pseudoscience is science. I suppose that means PRNGs are the equivalent of homeopathy!

Well of course your numbers are going to gravitate towards expected results as your sample size gets larger, Bonanza's feature frequency is 1/460 and the average pay of the feature is 86x, throw enough samples at it and that's where you'll end up.

So at the moment your feature frequency is a bit under the curve, but your average pay is over the curve.

I have no idea what RNG BTG are using, but generating true randomness on computers is a trivial task, and has been for decades. It is true that back in the 1980s there were some dodgy RNGs around that could be predicted because they always used the same seed value and the sequences were too short (some very clever players famously worked out the RNG on a popular Las Vegas Video Poker unit and made a LOT of money), but that stuff is ancient history now.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

He can think himself lucky his average feature is that good.

Well worth paying an extra 40 spins of turnover for.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Nice hit a few moments ago. 1155X

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Noticed 20p bonuses are paying a lot lot better the past few months

 

[mcgameboy]

Nice hit a few moments ago. 1155X

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Makes up for some of that shocking March RTP that you had. Glad to see you get something back from this unholy beast

 

[slotmaster]

Just hit GOLD! Just short of 100x though but will take it.

 

[snorky510238]

Best and worst Casinos to play Bonanza? Or should that be bad and downright awful?

I stopped depositing at most sites about 6 months ago but kept a handful open. 4 to be precise, out of an original 50+. The game is supposed to be the same wherever you play but it 100% isn’t.

The only site I play where it seems reasonably okay is MrQ.

Unibent, Bent Victor and Videoslops, are pretty horrific in comparison. With the latter probably up there with the all time worst, which has to be Sly Vegas.

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, especially @pinnit2014, as I know he played at multiple Casinos, similar to myself a while ago.

 

[slotmaster]

100x this time on 3rd GOLD of the night fellow Bonanzers! Just dropped my bet down from $1.00 though,grrr

 

[pinnit2014]

Best and worst Casinos to play Bonanza? Or should that be bad and downright awful?

I stopped depositing at most sites about 6 months ago but kept a handful open. 4 to be precise, out of an original 50+. The game is supposed to be the same wherever you play but it 100% isn’t.

The only site I play where it seems reasonably okay is MrQ.

Unibent, Bent Victor and Videoslops, are pretty horrific in comparison. With the latter probably up there with the all time worst, which has to be Sly Vegas.

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, especially @pinnit2014, as I know he played at multiple Casinos, similar to myself a while ago.

Worst without question was Rizk - i can't recall even one decent session playing it on there. Top X win was bout 110x as well.

VS, prior to Unibet, gave me my biggest X win but in the main it was always a chore on there. Aside from getting the 3kx from battle weekend money, not many memorable sessions.

Redbet i liked - tended to find if you bonus'd early on it'd give 3/4 more in the next 500 plus spins. Always ran smooth as well. Probably had best luck on the base game there overall as well

Didn't actually mind Unibet - D'd the most frequent, maybe cos i played there the most, but side from that 5kx i had the average X win wasn't great.

Mr Q i had time for - some decent losses but if i stuck at it it would tend to pull them back with higher than average X wins

Grosvenor was always a strange one - whereas the likes of VS's was mainly a meh session, the hottest runs for bonus's was there - a real feast or famine - record there was 10 D's in about 300 spins which, for Bonanza, was definitely outwith normal parameters

Of course, all supposition, but would have Rizk on the seabed and Unibet/Mr Q at the top. I don't tend to think of where i got the biggest X win as my favourite casino but more, like Mr Q (where it would gobble up deposits), one night you login and it puts you back in the game.

William Hill fights it out with Rizk for worst actually - if there were 2 bent versions of it running, it was at them

 

[pinnit2014]

Been so long since i played there i forgot - (and i think Dunovers hot spot?) - Casumo - had my 0.75x on 4 quid there and even 2 0x 2 quids but always had a good crack of the whip there - similar to Mr Q.

 

[mack341]

I'm wondering which casino Dunover's been playing at? Though it would be too late now, the game must be parked in serious refilling mode!

 

[snorky510238]

Been so long since i played there i forgot - (and i think Dunovers hot spot?) - Casumo - had my 0.75x on 4 quid there and even 2 0x 2 quids but always had a good crack of the whip there - similar to Mr Q.

I used to play at Rizk and definitely found it harder to bonus and that was pre-nerfing. I stopped playing these as something seemed amiss. Not just with Bonanza but how other games played there in comparison with other sites, there was a big difference.

As you say, Unibet used to play well but it now has massive stretches between bonuses.

Casumo was probably the best place I ever played it. I had some decent base hits, good bonus frequency and they paid well above the average, on many occasions. Account closed for failing to lose. I was actually, only slightly ahead but probably saw me as not being viable after 5 years.

All British was actually the Casino I did best at but I stopped playing there when they sent me a form (due diligence?) electronically which I couldn’t seem to edit. Pity, as I thought they were a decent outfit to be fair.

One thing about ABC just came back to me. If all versions of Bonanza are the same, why did ABC have to different versions in their library?

 

[snorky510238]

I'm wondering which casino Dunover's been playing at? Though it would be too late now, the game must be parked in serious refilling mode!

I am sorry but as much as I like @dunover, he is an affiliate and promotes BTG games. Therefore I cannot take his gameplay at face value. If someone was promoting my games, I’d be keen to ensure they weren’t constantly getting the session from hell, wouldn’t you?

Call me cynical, mad, whatever terminology suits you but I have been around long enough and I am experienced enough to know these sort of things are well within the realms of possibility. @dunover may not even be aware that he plays a different version than everyone else. It seriously wouldn’t be difficult to implement.

I don’t actually watch his videos, apart from the new release ones, he posts on here. I do like his style and so on but the thought of watching someone play a game that I have hammered to death, isn’t that appealing.

What I do wish, is that @dunover would just put the record straight. I see so many posts that state, he’s murdering it, yet I recall him saying he was down massively at one point and I even remember seeing a post from himself saying he had retired from playing the game.

 

[snorky510238]

I'm wondering which casino Dunover's been playing at? Though it would be too late now, the game must be parked in serious refilling mode!

Does he never mention the Casino?

 

[interlog]

Does he never mention the Casino?

No he doesn't, nor does he show the casino logo either. It purely shows the game screen without the casino clutter around it.

He may well be an affiliate but he is a player too, a lucky player at Bonanza to boot.

That doesn't mean there is is something untowards happening.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Worlds spawniest bonanza player ever, of that there is no doubt.

His recent spawn(last vid) must see him over 20 bag up over the last 2 years.

Literally impossible to continuously defeat the maths for that period of time on a game that hardly ever gives a 500x bonus.

Some people would suggest there is ‘selective’ uploading of sessions, but as much as his videos tilt the shit out of me, like interlog I’ve no reason to doubt them.

One of the videos a while back gave gave us a glimpse of where he plays, it’s certainly nowhere I’ve played as you can tell all mine by the speed of play and cascade pause chances.

Don’t see why he can’t tell us here tho, I think it’s been 3 different ones since the ‘series’ vids began, but it’s irrelevant as he beats them all anyway.

Some people are just born lucky. Dazza is one of them.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Best and worst Casinos to play Bonanza? Or should that be bad and downright awful?

I stopped depositing at most sites about 6 months ago but kept a handful open. 4 to be precise, out of an original 50+. The game is supposed to be the same wherever you play but it 100% isn’t.

The only site I play where it seems reasonably okay is MrQ.

Unibent, Bent Victor and Videoslops, are pretty horrific in comparison. With the latter probably up there with the all time worst, which has to be Sly Vegas.

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, especially @pinnit2014, as I know he played at multiple Casinos, similar to myself a while ago.

Boyles is OK get play time and quinn bet is horrific for me will hill shocking and throws me a okish bonus one in a blue moon

 

[slotmaster]

Only GOL'S this morning.

 

[snorky510238]

That doesn't mean there is is something untowards happening.

Or that their isn’t.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'd forgotten about the last time I got a Weekend Booster at VS, logged in over there and I had £6 on my account, played Worms Reloaded and spawned mega money off the Jet Pack bonus round which paid 125x (£25 on 20p spins).

I now have £30.56p which I am going to use on Bonanza and win 14,000x from an eight scatters trigger.

Just wait and see.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

My bet is you won’t see a feature.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My bet is you won’t see a feature.

Well predicted!

So here's what I got with my £30.56p. I had it running for 90 minutes in autoplay, did 875 spins, best win was 56x, no features, RTP of 82.64%.

TBH it just felt like the same old Bonanza to me, endlessly tedious grindy base game and a stupidly hard to achieve feature - reminds me why I basically never play it The reel strips are just pure trolling as well.

That said, 90 minutes of spinning from a £30 bankroll doesn't feel unreasonable to me, especially since I didn't get a feature.

There are far, far better games to spend your money on IMO!

 

[snorky510238]

As stated above @Videoslots are running one of the worst versions of Bonanza ever seen. It’s an absolute disgrace and no it’s just my imagination or bad luck.

Come on @Videoslots, defend yourselves. Post my stats for the past two years and prove I am wrong. Or are you afraid to show the boys and girls what a twisted underhanded version you’re accommodating?

 

[slotmaster]

Played today on the Mar 30 2023 version is horrible, no D anywhere. Hit 1 GOLD on the Christmas version which was like o.k. but that was it.

 

[ritae]

Does the version really matter if they are the same RTP?

I have noticed three versions of the game. The default one available at most casinos, the one that allows the 0.20 increments in the bet, and a weird one at a UK group that allows auto-play (with the chrome add-on enabled).

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Videoslots is NYX isn’t it??

Not played in ages there.

If it is it’s same as Lads, Corals and all the Entain group. Same as sky,hills and paddy also.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well it just seemed like the same old shitty Bonanza to me, without a bonus it's simply going to grind you down (albeit quite slowly) with all that churning RTP in the base game, I did 875 spins without a feature and it could have easily done the same again without landing one (IIRC my personal worst for a feature on it is comfortably over 2000 spins, it's documented back in this thread somewhere).

I do like the feature on Bonanza (when you can actually get it), but my line has always been it just makes you wait far too long for it.

I don't think it's a good slot, I never have done, I've been consistent on that here at CM and on my old YT channel as well. I only had a punt at it yesterday for a bit of a laugh for this thread and because I basically had a 'free' £30 to chuck at it.

I'd rather have a tussle with the random £500ers in the pubs here on 90% RTP, at least you'll get some features for your money on stuff like Worms!

 

[CongoGB]

Crappy old Bonanza...

 

[pinnit2014]

Mrs got 27 spins the other day on a quid 145x

Needless to say it wasn't a pleasant evening after that.

Me chuckling didn't help, mind you.

 

[bianchini82]

looks s#itty and then....

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

4x after 9 spins………..

Standard.

 

[pinnit2014]

looks s#itty and then....

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The 4 sexy spins?

 

[bianchini82]

The 4 sexy spins?

nothing special, ended around 1800

 

[kennygamerboy]

Is btg games acting up for anybody? Spins taking like 30 seconds to spin and generally slow

 

[snorky510238]

Oh yeah had a feature this morning on ,60 cents
Won a massive 94 cent not kidding lol
3x on first spin then 11 dead spins
Got so pissed i closed the browser and vent outside for a coffee and fag calm my selfdown ?
But had 2 features yesterday paying around 300x so ?

Just looking back through the thread for a particular post and read this.

With your username being, The Viking, I didn’t associate you with being German.

 

[kennygamerboy]

So I hit a absolute crap enhanced on royal mint before then went on bonanza and hit this not complaining ?

 

[pinnit2014]

Getting the impression the rigged v not rigged debate pretty much centres on if you're winning on it ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Getting the impression the rigged v not rigged debate pretty much centres on if you're winning on it ?

Right then I'm going to put my money where snorky's mouth is and prove that Bonanza isn't rigged by winning BIG CASH PRIZES with this £100 deposit over at Videoslots (which is alleged to run the WORST VERSION of the game).

Bonanza is perfect for this endeavour because I will be playing Ghost of Tsushima on my PS5 at the same time, which entails being sat on the couch, whereas the slot will be running on my PC, but it's not very far away so I can cast my eye over to it every time a feature lands (LOL), and then get up to click on the button to start the feature and watch it play out, before resuming my videogaming. (Obviously I don't want to be disturbed too often and Bonanza with its once per decade feature entry fits the bill nicely.)

Let's see how it goes! At the very least I'm going to kill the absolute everloving shit out of a load of nasty Mongol invaders.

TSUSHIMA (a moment of quiet reflection):

BONANZA (also a moment of quiet reflection as to why I've decided to set fire to £100):

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Won’t be enough for a feature.

 

[Jono777]

I predict 3-4 features before balance is either doubled or bust.

Hell, I'll even push the boat out and predict a +5 or a retrigger

 

[snorky510238]

Can’t believe he’s still got a balance left.

I would absolutely love @Videoslots to post my stat’s for the past 12 months (probably 18 to be fair). Imagine the worst run of gameplay you have ever had, x it by 10 and that’s about where it’s at.

I am not just talking Bonanza here. I am talking pretty much every god damn pice of shite, that site hosts. I stick at it (wrongly) believing there will be some recompense but no, just deposit after deposit disappearing quicker than putting notes through a shredder.

Absolutely disgusting, including 3 runs of 60+ deposits in a row without doubling the initial deposit. So come on @Videoslots, I am calling you out here. Come and defend yourselves, if you have nothing to hide and I am making it all up.

My stat’s there don’t even come close to being as good as any other site that I play the same games on, and I consider 90% of those sites, piss poor.

So come on, don’t hide behind the curtains and let some over zealous keyboard warrior, tarnish your reputation. Get your wonderful, loved by all Casino, to show people just how crap people can run at your site.

I promise you in good faith, you’d be shocked, even Chopley would have to have a think about it.

N.B. Please don’t tell me, I can produce my own stat’s, I’ve tried, it whirls away for hours and downloads nothing. Also, if this post needs moving to the VS thread, please do so. I didn’t start a new thread title as I would have received a lifetime ban.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Spectacular 2.5x pay feature

 

[Kroffe]

Beginners luck to get an above average bonus.

 

[snorky510238]

Spectacular 2.5x pay feature

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The angry emoji is in regards to your bad luck, not you personally. Even if you do get lucky, keep playing it there and you will see the filth of that version. (If you haven’t already).

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Spectacular 2.5x pay feature

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Dazza G style 2+2 there.

Most people get them once a month as opposed to once every deposit.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Honestly feels like the same old Bonanza to me, here's the stats after having it lumping away for just over three hours in autoplay, I'll call it here with a solid hit in the basegame (max Megaways wankathon). I'll pick it up again tomorrow and continue to track the stats.

BIG BONANZA STATS:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.65p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £76.14p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £66.50p left
348 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 79x, £75.28p left
448 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £78.87p left
504 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 109x pay, £96.94p left
590 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 50x, £103.48p left
690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.92p left
790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.24p left
890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.23p left
990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £82.24p left
1090 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £83.93p left
1190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £77.32p left
1220 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 2.5x pay (wanker!) £74.14p left
1320 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.70p left
1420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £55.38p left
1520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £45.67p left
1620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £41.60p left
1679 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 168x, £69.63p left

 

[dunover]

Honestly feels like the same old Bonanza to me, here's the stats after having it lumping away for just over three hours in autoplay, I'll call it here with a solid hit in the basegame (max Megaways wankathon). I'll pick it up again tomorrow and continue to track the stats.

BIG BONANZA STATS:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.65p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £76.14p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £66.50p left
348 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 79x, £75.28p left
448 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £78.87p left
504 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 109x pay, £96.94p left
590 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 50x, £103.48p left
690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.92p left
790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.24p left
890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.23p left
990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £82.24p left
1090 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £83.93p left
1190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £77.32p left
1220 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 2.5x pay (wanker!) £74.14p left
1320 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.70p left
1420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £55.38p left
1520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £45.67p left
1620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £41.60p left
1679 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 168x, £69.63p left

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Crikey! 1700 spins and 2 bonuses, a Megaways spin, 2 big wins (over 50x in your case, I count them as 25x or more so you might have had more) a 2+2 trigger and STILL 70% OF THE BANKROLL LEFT!!

How the hell did you get hold of the affiliate RTP version???