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Or I could be wrong by 100%.
VS has the cap on Diamond Mine at 2,500x bet win! That means, the chance for any win over 2,500x is so small that it doesn't affect the RTP, otherwise what VS does would be illegal.
Now it is probably safe to assume Diamond Mine has the same math with Bonanza. That would mean that the true potential of Bonanza is only 2,500x.

Unless VS is accidentally doing something illegal.
Hmmm...

2500x - Whats the point in creating the slot then? Has the Rep from VS explained why this has been capped?

I'm rather interested in this. Why can you lose 2500x but not win more than that?

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Hmmm...

2500x - Whats the point in creating the slot then? Has the Rep from VS explained why this has been capped?

I'm rather interested in this. Why can you lose 2500x but not win more than that?

Nate
I asked. He said the numbers were given by the provider.
The cap is obviously a way to have bigger bet size than Bonanza (and manage their risk at the same time).
This is the best and only way for us to get an idea of the odds for a 2500x win.

Why make it? Bacause they can hide the odds and get everybody playing it. ;)
 

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Hmm, only 2500x you say? Casinos capping it knowing that's its true potential? Only streamers getting mythical 10,000+ hits on it?

BTG's mask is slipping...
 

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hit a £200 withdrawal on 40p spin with 22 spins this morning. given had x14 multi with 10 spins left it did its usual of 9 dead spins so little disappointed. but clear over 1k last 3 days between bonanza and mostly sports betting so my luck has defo been used for next few months.
 

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hit a £200 withdrawal on 40p spin with 22 spins this morning. given had x14 multi with 10 spins left it did its usual of 9 dead spins so little disappointed. but clear over 1k last 3 days between bonanza and mostly sports betting so my luck has defo been used for next few months.
This time tomorrow?
 

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I have some news. Turns out the assumption "UKGC cares about the RTP stated being the correct one" is false. They don't.

According to trance (you can read about it in the VS thread) casinos can cap the payouts without any limitations, as long as they say that they do. UKGC doesn't think players need to know how much this affects the RTP.

When a casino deals with UKGC apparently it goes like this:
Casino - I found a way for the games to pay lower RTP than the one the lab said. Is it ok?
UKGC - Totaly fine dude. Just find a way to say it without actually saying it.
Casino - I also let them think they can win over 500,000 when they can't win more than 30k.
UKGC - I don't care. Make sure you ask them all for SOW though.

What this has to do with Bonanza.
Turns out the cap on Diamond Mine payouts may or may not have an affect on the RTP.
But although UKGC lets them do whatever they want, I don't think they would go too far. Besides, I am tired of this "hide the truth" game about the Megaways slots.

So this is what I believe we should do:
1) Consider it a fact that true potential of Bonanza is only 2,500x.
2) Boycott any slot that has a cap on its payouts.
 

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Bonanza isn't capped though unless the casino has a cap on all their games having a maximum payout, not sure if any do? There is the soft cap where the reels change at a multiplier over 50x that was mentioned a couple hundred pages back in this thread, but not sure if anyone has ever actually seen that happen?

Diamond Mine is capped at 10,000x or £250,000 whichever happens first, I think it's safe to assume the 10,000x cap is accounted for in the 96.39% RTP shown, the effect on RTP of the other cap is very likely small enough to disappear in rounding since RTP is only given with 2 decimals. I do agree though they should have left it at the 10,000x cap, if they don't like someone winning £1M they can just lower the max bet.

Don't really have a problem with games having a cap on payouts as long as it's in the rules, it gives more options for game developers to add high potential features. Much better than not having a cap and then designing a game with a max win of 400x.
 

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Didn't someone post a screenshot of a £972.00 win on a 0.20p bet in the past 3-4 weeks?

Well over 2,500x if I didn't dream it :p
Maybe. I don't care. :p
I am so tired of this "hide and seek" game with BTG and casino reps about slot potential and odds.
I must have asked over 100 times for Bonanza's potential.
After all this time, I only care about what is really possible, hard to get but doable.
What am I supposed to think when I see a cap on Diamond Mine at 2,500x?

Edit...
Dan just confirmed that the chance for a win over 2,500 in Diamond Mine is almost impossible.
I choose to believe him, so......
 
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I have some news. Turns out the assumption "UKGC cares about the RTP stated being the correct one" is false. They don't.
I always seeing you ragging on the UKGC. Are you actually gambling in UKGC jurisdictions? Why is win capping and the effects on RTP a UKGC problem only? What do Curacao do? What about Malta?
 

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I always seeing you ragging on the UKGC. Are you actually gambling in UKGC jurisdictions? Why is win capping and the effects on RTP a UKGC problem only? What do Curacao do? What about Malta?
I actually consider them one of the best. I do believe their heart is in the right place.
It is not raging. I don't hate them or anything. I point out things that need improvement, things I find important, things people don't know...

My goal is better regulations. If we raise a voice here they may listen and because I consider them highly influential others will follow.
And the hole industry will get much better. :)

....I do get too sarcastic at times :oops:.... I was a bit shocked today after what trance said.
But I really believe they will listen our valid concerns and make better regulations.
 
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By that time they’ll have taken over the world - Just ask Ed ;)
BTG offered Ed a job as CEO. But I hear he refused, claiming they're crab people from Xanon :eek::eek::p
 

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I am sitting at 84% RTP at VS, no payouts or decent wins for 8-9 months now :eek2:

I have now played much lately, blooming idiot went for a 5 mile run in the heat and ended up with heat stroke, missed the best part of a week as I just slept constantly :laugh:
 

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I am sitting at 84% RTP at VS, no payouts or decent wins for 8-9 months now :eek2:

I have now played much lately, blooming idiot went for a 5 mile run in the heat and ended up with heat stroke, missed the best part of a week as I just slept constantly :laugh:
You were doing so well up until you mentioned VS :p
 

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Didn't someone post a screenshot of a £972.00 win on a 0.20p bet in the past 3-4 weeks?

Well over 2,500x if I didn't dream it :p
Yes i did. And its not having it back. Had few goes on it and my free spin winnings go that way but its getting to be a Greedy C***. as for its mine sister from Blue print... Less wins and capped so if Bonanza is running at 96% then by odds of maths thats got to be a few % less (thats only if you believe Bonanza is 965)
 

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Maybe. I don't care. :p
I am so tired of this "hide and seek" game with BTG and casino reps about slot potential and odds.
I must have asked over 100 times for Bonanza's potential.
After all this time, I only care about what is really possible, hard to get but doable.
What am I supposed to think when I see a cap on Diamond Mine at 2,500x?

Edit...
Dan just confirmed that the chance for a win over 2,500 in Diamond Mine is almost impossible.
I choose to believe him, so......
Thats not confirmation of a cap at all, its not actually confirming anything
 

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