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Statement from Susan Mainzer, the Media Relations Manager at Bodog.com



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The Bodog.com Marketing Conference presents a wonderful opportunity for good discussion about marketing, customer service and about the growth of our industry; however, in the last few days, many who planned to attend the conference have expressed a high level of concern over the uncertainty surrounding the U.S. governments recent actions against one of the companies in our industry. It is in light of these concerns that we have decided to postpone the Bodog.com Marketing Conference to a later date and at an international location. This decision ensures that the focus of the conference will not be lost.

The scheduled Party, however, will go on as planned at Tao at the Venetian on Tuesday, July 25th at 9 p.m.

I apologize for any inconveniences this has caused, but in spite of what has happened of late we chose to act with the industries best interests in mind. I assure you that we will make it up with a bigger and better conference to be announced in the near future.

Bodog.com will carry on our business as usual and will continue to lead the way in digital entertainment.


-Calvin Ayre, Founder and CEO of Bodog.com
 
Casinomeister said:
Yeah but, wouldn't Calvin be hanging out at his own party? Guess we'll find out in a few days. :D

If Calvin has an attorney with a brain the size of a pea he won't be hanging out anywhere here in the states.

Have a good one.
 
If Ayre was bold (or silly) enough to sally into the States right now, he would make a great publicity vehicle for the DoJ, even if they temporarily detained him *to assist in enquiries* as an intimidatory tactic.

Look how Carruthers' arrest has scared the bejasus out of industry execs who travel to, or go through the States from time to time!
 
tennis_balls said:
if Ayre and some of his entourage decide not to show, this will leave a lot of high-priced "models" with some free time and have an adverse effect on the US economy.

You can say that again.

I don't think Vegas is aware how much they have been profiting from the online industry.

Operators, marketing companies, publishers, affiliate programs and affiliates from all over the world have been heading to Vegas for conferences and meetings many, many times per year for as long as the industry has been around.

I think we have made quite an impact on the tourist industry there. This will now stop. Likely CAC in September will be the last conference Vegas will see from us. And that venue might be changed yet.
 
dominique said:
You can say that again.

I don't think Vegas is aware how much they have been profiting from the online industry.

Operators, marketing companies, publishers, affiliate programs and affiliates from all over the world have been heading to Vegas for conferences and meetings many, many times per year for as long as the industry has been around.

I think we have made quite an impact on the tourist industry there. This will now stop. Likely CAC in September will be the last conference Vegas will see from us. And that venue might be changed yet.

I hope you do make as much of an impact as you hope, however I dont think you do.

If you asked every hotel/casino in vegas if they want to see online gambling regulated or outlawed I would be surprised to see even one of them respond regulated.
 
It is somewhat hypocritical.

The casinos have been saying it is legal to deposit and play from the States for years. Now they are afraid to even step foot on our soil?

Do they recommend we no longer play from the US?
 
Wow, I just got the answer to my own question:

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I guess I should sell my shares of online gaming stocks too.
 
Unless the senate picks up the anti gambling law, this is just all geared to giving the gambling world the nilly willies.

If the senate does pick up on that law, I would imagine there would be a short time of confusion before the alternate ways to gamble kick in.

I have a feeling Bryan will be very busy if that happens...

Why would a government drive decent places out of business and create a criminal element to prey on it's citizens?
 
dominique said:
Why would a government drive decent places out of business and create a criminal element to prey on it's citizens?

There were local criminal bookies in the US before the internet gambling crackdown. Actually they existed before the internet was even invented. So I don't believe they're creating a criminal element.
 
dominique said:
Why would a government drive decent places out of business and create a criminal element to prey on it's citizens?

You can't have it both ways, Dominique. Internet gambling might be perfectly decent, despite being illegal. But don't pretend you didn't know it was illegal in the first place.
 
Clarification, in case you didn't already realize this, Linus.

Sports wagering is illegal by virtue of the Wire Act.

No other form of online gambling appears to be covered by the Wire Act - and thus online gambling is NOT illegal in the US, with the exception of sports betting. Some states, however, have explicitly declared any form of online gambling (or any form of gambling) illegal.
 
spearmaster said:
Clarification, in case you didn't already realize this, Linus.

Sports wagering is illegal by virtue of the Wire Act.

No other form of online gambling appears to be covered by the Wire Act - and thus online gambling is NOT illegal in the US, with the exception of sports betting. Some states, however, have explicitly declared any form of online gambling (or any form of gambling) illegal.

Right, Spearmaster. But further still the courts say that the Wire Act covers telephone use in betting but not the Internet. You don't telephone a bet or funds through the Internet.
 
Unfortunately, in the case of BetOnSports, they definitely took bets by phone.

The bit about the telephone, however, is a bit weird. Obviously not all Internet connections are by telephone wires.

The actual section states "wire communication facility", as opposed to telephone. But we all know what they're talking about... LOL...

This is as good a starting point as any - and backs up what I posted above.

The Interstate Wire Act of 1961, often called the Federal Wire Act, is a United States federal law prohibiting the operation of certain types of betting businesses in the United States. It begins with the text:

Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

The law has been interpreted by some, including the Department of Justice, to mean that all online gambling is illegal. However, U.S. Courts have ruled to the contrary. Also, many believe the phrase "in the business of" means only businesses are affected. Some argue that the law only covers sports betting, and not other forms of gambling such as poker.

The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Wire Act applies only to sports betting and not other types of online gambling. The Supreme Court has not officially ruled on the meaning of the Federal Wire Act as it pertains to online gambling.

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bossplayer said:
If you asked every hotel/casino in vegas if they want to see online gambling regulated or outlawed I would be surprised to see even one of them respond regulated.

In the 4411 debate in the House last week, 49 states supported the bill. One vocally opposed it. Nevada. Guess that's called keeping your options open :)
 
QUOTE from U.S. media reports today:

The Carruthers arrest and detention without bail has again focused attention on the old legal question, "Are online casino and poker activities embraced by the 1961 Wire Act?" The act certainly covers the use of telephones to take US wagers, but does that extend to gambling other than sportsbetting and more recent technologies?

"The Justice Department has said [all] Internet gambling is prohibited, but most legal experts would say they are wrong, that this only applies to sports betting," opines Joseph Kelly, a legal scholar at the State University of New York at Buffalo, who has consulted for the government of Antigua and others on US law.

Kelly said it was an unusual coincidence that the indictment - which was handed down in June but only unsealed this week - came in such close contiguity to the House of Representatives passing a new bill banning some, but not all forms of Web gambling in the USA.

"Why would Congress try to make something illegal if it is already illegal?" he asks.
 
Does the left hand know what the right hand is doing in Sen Frist's office - this update from Reuters would seem to contradict an earlier statement from staff in the same office!


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bill to ban Internet gambling faces opposition in the U.S. Senate, but backers still hope to win passage of it within a few weeks, a top aide to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said on Thursday.

"We are trying to get something done before the August recess," set to begin on August 4, said Eric Ueland, Frist's chief of staff.

Earlier on Thursday, another Frist aide said lawmakers were still working on the bill, but would not be able to vote on it before the Senate heads off for its month-long vacation.

Ueland rejected that characterization, saying Frist had not given up on getting a vote before the August recess.

Backers of the legislation have hoped to push it through the Senate this month following the arrest in the United States of David Carruthers, the chief executive of BETonSPORTS Plc, on charges of racketeering and conspiracy.

Carruthers is scheduled to appear at a hearing in U.S. District Court in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday to determine if he must remain in jail until his trial.
 
Dominique said:
Likely CAC in September will be the last conference Vegas will see from us. And that venue might be changed yet.
I hope CAC is not moved or cancled, I already have a suite booked and there are a few folks, one in particular, I can't wait to meat.:)
 
spearmaster said:
Clarification, in case you didn't already realize this, Linus.

Sports wagering is illegal by virtue of the Wire Act.

No other form of online gambling appears to be covered by the Wire Act - and thus online gambling is NOT illegal in the US, with the exception of sports betting. Some states, however, have explicitly declared any form of online gambling (or any form of gambling) illegal.

Spear, the Wire Act is not the only law in the US.

In fact, the MO indictment alleges violations of at least seven different Federal criminal laws - not just the Wire Act.

And that's just Federal law - in the US, gambling is primarily regulated at the state level. And no state allows unlicensed commercial gambling within its borders - whether facilitated by the internet, or otherwise.

Focusing exclusively on the Wire Act simply clouds the issue.

Online gambling is illegal in the US, because no internet site has a license from any US state. Until that changes, internet gambling is, has been, and will be illegal in the US.
 
dominique said:
Why would a government drive decent places out of business and create a criminal element to prey on it's citizens?

there are a lot of reasons to put the heat on this industry.

while i oppose this bill, i'm definately not satisfied with the current state of "self regulation". when you have a huge site like English Harbour make a monumental "mistake" and just brush it off as a minor glitch, this says to me that a "criminal element" already exists in this area.

it is a joke to see Bill Frist leading the charge here. Frist has a record of financial transactions that would make Jack Abramoff blush.
 
Linus said:
Spear, the Wire Act is not the only law in the US.

In fact, the MO indictment alleges violations of at least seven different Federal criminal laws - not just the Wire Act.

And that's just Federal law - in the US, gambling is primarily regulated at the state level. And no state allows unlicensed commercial gambling within its borders - whether facilitated by the internet, or otherwise.

Focusing exclusively on the Wire Act simply clouds the issue.

Online gambling is illegal in the US, because no internet site has a license from any US state. Until that changes, internet gambling is, has been, and will be illegal in the US.

Hi Linus:

You might want to tell The Honorable Judge Sanwood Duvall at the Fifth Circuit Court of appeals in Louisiana that Internet Gambling, (not Sports wagering) is illegal. As the Juge has ruled that Internet Gambling is not illegal nor does it fall within the guidelines of the 1961 Wire Act. Moreover, Judge Duvalls opinion has been upheld now on two separate and distinct appeals.

Have a good one.
 
Linus -

Your assertion is incorrect and illogical. An activity is not illegal just because it is not specifically declared legal.

Rather than arguing with me from a very weak platform, I suggest you go back and look at the BoS indictment again. BoS owns casinos as well - yet there is not a SINGLE instance where a casino wager is being challenged - most probably because they know they cannot get a conviction on that account.

Judges and lawyers have already been over this issue - and there is already past precedent established. You are the only one, besides some ill-informed reporters, who claim that online gambling is illegal.
 
One of the best articles on the subject can be found here:

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"Jeffrey R. Rodefer is an Assistant Chief Deputy Attorney General for the Nevada Attorney Generals Office, Gaming Division. He represents the Nevada Gaming Commission and the Nevada Gaming Control Board."

His agency was directed by the legislature of the State of Nevada, to look into the possibility of licensing internet gambling.

Gambling has historically been a creature of state regulation governed by the powers reserved to the states under the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.6 Generally, [g]ambling is illegal unless regulated by an individual state,7 such as Nevada.

To date, Nevada has not licensed any internet gambling site, although the possibility is there that they could.


Another good site is:

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Chuck Humphrey is also a licensed attorney in the US, admitted to practice law in Colorado, Michigan and Texas.

An online gambling portal operator, CasinoCity.com... sued the Department of Justice in August, 2004.

The complaint sought a judicial determination confirming Casino Citys constitutional [sic] rights [sic] to engage in lawful commercial free speech... The plaintiffs contention was that the advertisements it runs are protected by the First Amendment right to free speech...

On February 15, 2005, the suit was dismissed with prejudice.

The court said:

The Central Hudson test, when applied to the facts of the case clearly shows that plaintiff has failed to establish a First Amendment right. It is well-established [sic.] that the First Amendment does not protect the right to advertise illegal activity.

[T]he speech in which plaintiff wishes to engage is misleading because it falsely portrays the image that Internet gambling is legal.

Because plaintiffs speech concerns misleading information and illegal activities, it does not fall within speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

By targeting and punishing advertisers who utilize this type of information, the government reaches its goal of deterring this illegal activity. Thus, the Court finds that the Central Hudson test has been satisfied. Therefore, the Court finds that, even if the plaintiff has standing to bring this action, the plaintiff has no claim for a First Amendment violation.

Mr. Humphrey writes: "The ruling gives no comfort to Casino City; it fires a silver bullet into the heart of the modern-day Draculas who continue to present the intellectual scam that offshore online gambling websites are legally OK. Simply put, the acceptance of sports, casino and poker bets by online websites violates numerous federal laws and the anti-gambling statutes of all 50 states."
 
Generally, “[g]ambling is illegal unless regulated by an individual state,”7 such as Nevada.

This is not a fact, this is an opinion. There is no reference to relevant Federal law, nor even any State laws.

This is tantamount to saying that everything which is not covered by law is thus illegal. It is no better than the DoJ's "opinion" that online gambling is illegal.

The Casino City test is a case asserting the right to free speech as guaranteed under the First Amendment - it is NOT a case which attempts to determine the legality or illegality of online gambling and cannot in any case be used as "past precedent" in a case directly related to online gambling.

Again, what you have presented is an opinion of the judge, rather than a ruling - under no circumstances has the judge RULED that online gambling is illegal. Were he to have actually considered the issue of the legality of online gambling, he could have come to any of a number of conclusions but he would have had a hard time proving anything other than the fact that the Wire Act bans sports wagering by wire communication.

The two cases you have presented are opinions. Judges have already ruled on the application of the Wire Act to non-sports betting activities and determined that said activities are NOT covered by the Wire Act.

As there is no other Federal law which governs anything related to the placing of a wager of any sort, it must be held that online gambling is NOT illegal according to Federal law. Individual states may or may not have laws which relate to online gambling (or all forms of gambling) - the mere fact that some states have declared internet gambling illegal supports the position that, without such a law, internet gambling would NOT be illegal.

The law is there to determine what is ILLEGAL. Law does not cover the LEGALITY of any situation - that is, if I pick my nose, and the law does not directly cover this activity, or any other form of this activity (using a Q-tip instead of my finger, for example), it cannot be considered illegal.
 
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Linus said:
Mr. Humphrey writes: "The ruling gives no comfort to Casino City; it fires a silver bullet into the heart of the modern-day Draculas who continue to present the intellectual scam that offshore online gambling websites are legally OK. Simply put, the acceptance of sports, casino and poker bets by online websites violates numerous federal laws and the anti-gambling statutes of all 50 states."

I think Mr. Humphrey might want to find away in which to get appointed as a Judge then, because until he becomes a Judge and sits on a case his opinion is nothing short of meaningless.

Have a good one.
 
spearmaster said:
This is not a fact, this is an opinion. There is no reference to relevant Federal law, nor even any State laws.

This is tantamount to saying that everything which is not covered by law is thus illegal. It is no better than the DoJ's "opinion" that online gambling is illegal.

Whether something's illegal may be a matter of opinion, but some people's opinions count more than others - for example, those of judges and prosecutors.

The Casino City test is a case asserting the right to free speech as guaranteed under the First Amendment - it is NOT a case which attempts to determine the legality or illegality of online gambling and cannot in any case be used as "past precedent" in a case directly related to online gambling.

Again, what you have presented is an opinion of the judge, rather than a ruling - under no circumstances has the judge RULED that online gambling is illegal. Were he to have actually considered the issue of the legality of online gambling, he could have come to any of a number of conclusions but he would have had a hard time proving anything other than the fact that the Wire Act bans sports wagering by wire communication.

I agree the Wire Act is limited to sports betting - although it's worth noting the Justice Dept. does not agree.

It's misleading, though, to treat the Wire Act as if it were the only Federal law that deals with gambling.

The two cases you have presented are opinions. Judges have already ruled on the application of the Wire Act to non-sports betting activities and determined that said activities are NOT covered by the Wire Act.

As there is no other Federal law which governs anything related to the placing of a wager of any sort, it must be held that online gambling is NOT illegal according to Federal law.

There are half a dozen or more different Federal laws that govern wagering.

The MO indictment, for example, alleges violations of at least 7 different Federal laws.

Individual states may or may not have laws which relate to online gambling (or all forms of gambling) - the mere fact that some states have declared internet gambling illegal supports the position that, without such a law, internet gambling would NOT be illegal.

All states have laws that govern commercial gambling. In no state is it legal, unless state-sanctioned (state lotteries), or state-licensed (casinos).

The law is there to determine what is ILLEGAL. Law does not cover the LEGALITY of any situation - that is, if I pick my nose, and the law does not directly cover this activity, or any other form of this activity (using a Q-tip instead of my finger, for example), it cannot be considered illegal.

In the US, you have to be licensed to carry on certain trades or businesses. That applies to, for example, being a lawyer (you have to have a license to practice law), and to commercial gambling.
 
If I have a friend in the Stateline Casino in West Wendover, Nevada, and I am standing across the street in Wendover, Utah, and I am shouting instructions to him how to bet, am I gambling in Utah or Nevada?

If I am in Costa Rica and offer legal advice to US residents, do I have to be licensed in the US? Do my clients commit a crime by taking legal advice from me?
 
Whether something's illegal may be a matter of opinion, but some people's opinions count more than others - for example, those of judges and prosecutors.

If a judge renders an opinion but not a ruling, and another judge makes a ruling based on his opinion, whose opinion should I believe?

There's no point in going around in circles. A Federal judge has ALREADY ruled that online casino gambling does NOT fall within the confines of the Wire Act.

There are half a dozen or more different Federal laws that govern wagering.

The MO indictment, for example, alleges violations of at least 7 different Federal laws.

Please state the laws which are related to wagering. RICO is certainly NOT one of them. Tax evasion is also not related to wagering. Wagering taxes imply that wagering is LEGAL - if illegal, how the hell can they tax it?

Let's not try to skirt the obvious - the only law which governs the legality of wagering in any shape or form is the Wire Act.

All states have laws that govern commercial gambling. In no state is it legal, unless state-sanctioned (state lotteries), or state-licensed (casinos).

Did you actually research this?

Did it occur to you that in some states, what is not considered gambling may be considered gambling in another? For example, in California stud poker is prohibited - but draw poker is not. Some states define lotteries as gambling, others do not. Some states even considered video poker terminals as games of skill (and thus not gambling) if I am not mistaken. Some states allow poker in private places (ie. the home) but NOT in public places.

I think that your claim above is a bit premature, or maybe just a bit too general.

In the US, you have to be licensed to carry on certain trades or businesses. That applies to, for example, being a lawyer (you have to have a license to practice law), and to commercial gambling.

The businesses are located outside the US. The fact that one can make a phone call or connect to an overseas website is completely irrelevant to a business license in the US.

For example, you can legally buy pot in the Netherlands - by phone call, or by visiting a website. You have not broken the law in either country.

You WILL break the laws of the US, however, if you import the pot. But the law does NOT govern the purchase of the pot in a foreign country from a foreign-based business.

Simple as that. BetOnSports is legally licensed as a bookmaker under the laws of the United Kingdom. It does not require a license in the US in order to operate its business. However, if it accepts sports wagers from Americans, it can then be considered in breach of US law because wagers on sporting events are explicitly prohibited by the Wire Act. This does NOT apply to casino gambling according to a Federal judge.

Another case in point - lotteries may not be sold interstate - that is to say, you cannot buy a lottery ticket issued by the state next door from your home state unless your home state also participates in this lottery. Yet you can look in any Time or Newsweek and find ads for lotteries in Spain, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Germany etc. You may do this by sending in the order form in the magazine, or you can call in a purchase by phone. Is this not illegal?

I repeat again: The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Wire Act applies only to sports betting and not other types of online gambling. The Supreme Court has not officially ruled on the meaning of the Federal Wire Act as it pertains to online gambling.
 
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spearmaster said:
Please state the laws which are related to wagering. RICO is certainly NOT one of them. Tax evasion is also not related to wagering. Wagering taxes imply that wagering is LEGAL - if illegal, how the hell can they tax it?
You have to pay income tax even on income from illegal sources. Some states, I believe Arizona is one of them, have a tax on marijuana.
 
GrandMaster said:
You have to pay income tax even on income from illegal sources. Some states, I believe Arizona is one of them, have a tax on marijuana.

Any taxes that would be assessed here in the U. S . incident to marijauna would only be within those states that have approved Medical Marijuana legisalation. Arizona and Oregon I believe are two states that have inacted such laws.

Have a good one.
 
You have to pay taxes on income you received as citizen or resident in the united states, on all income, legal or illegal. Unless you already paid them in another country, and here it gets murky.

It doesn't matter however if you received the money legally or illegally. The taxman wants you, and you better well pay him and dot your Is and cross your ts.

Apparently BOS owes some taxes from way back.

However, this does not normally lead to arrest of a company's employees because their boss owes back taxes. Nuts.
 
GrandMaster said:
If I have a friend in the Stateline Casino in West Wendover, Nevada, and I am standing across the street in Wendover, Utah, and I am shouting instructions to him how to bet, am I gambling in Utah or Nevada?

I don't know, because you could at least argue your friend was the one who was doing the gambling. But if you leave him out of it, the answer is, a person in Utah cannot gamble legally at a casino in Nevada, whether by phone, internet, or by shouting. He must leave Utah, and go to Nevada, in order to do it.

If, on the other hand, Stateline could offer games legally to people in Utah, don't you think they would?

If I am in Costa Rica and offer legal advice to US residents, do I have to be licensed in the US? Do my clients commit a crime by taking legal advice from me?

Well, your clients surely don't commit any crime by taking your advice, since it's the advice-giving that's prohibited, not the taking of it.

As for the Costa Rican... I know you need a license from a state, in order to practice there. For example, if you move from one state to another, you have to get re-licensed. More than that is beyond my ken. As a practical matter, as long as he stayed in Costa Rica, I'm sure he'd be fine.
 
according to the daily telegraph in the Uk, Carruthers didnt ask for bail (therefore he couldnt be turned down for it), as by moving to the next place they will take him too he will have a better chance of securing bail

must be a nightmare for him!

LTD
 
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spearmaster said:
If a judge renders an opinion but not a ruling, and another judge makes a ruling based on his opinion, whose opinion should I believe?

I'm not sure what distinction you're making between "opinion" and "ruling." To my knowledge, the "opinion," the "ruling," and the "decision" of the court are all interchangeable.

There's no point in going around in circles. A Federal judge has ALREADY ruled that online casino gambling does NOT fall within the confines of the Wire Act.

Please state the laws which are related to wagering. RICO is certainly NOT one of them.

The Carruthers indictment alleges violations of -

The Wire Wager Act
Mail Fraud
Wire Fraud
Interstate travel in aid of Racketeering
Operation of an Illegal Gambling Business
Interstate transportation of Gambling Paraphermalia
Money Laundering.

It also alleges violations of multiple state laws in MO, FL, NY, NJ, WA, and IL.

Tax evasion is also not related to wagering. Wagering taxes imply that wagering is LEGAL - if illegal, how the hell can they tax it?

In the US, you're supposed to pay taxes on illegal earnings, as well as legal ones.

Let's not try to skirt the obvious - the only law which governs the legality of wagering in any shape or form is the Wire Act.



Did you actually research this?

Did it occur to you that in some states, what is not considered gambling may be considered gambling in another? For example, in California stud poker is prohibited - but draw poker is not. Some states define lotteries as gambling, others do not. Some states even considered video poker terminals as games of skill (and thus not gambling) if I am not mistaken. Some states allow poker in private places (ie. the home) but NOT in public places.

State law varies widely. Many states, including mine, permit social gambling - games where no one has an advantage, except by luck or skill (ie -there's no house rake, or house advantage.) Many states have state-run lotteries, but that's just because they decided to have state lotteries - not because lotteries aren't a form of gambling. Other states allow some games, but not others. Some permit charitable bingo games at churches and the like. No state allows private, for-profit, commercial gambling without a license, however. If you know of one, please tell me which one it is.

I think that your claim above is a bit premature, or maybe just a bit too general.



The businesses are located outside the US. The fact that one can make a phone call or connect to an overseas website is completely irrelevant to a business license in the US.

To (legally) operate a gambling business in the US, you have to comply with US law. Keeping yourself and your assets offshore may well protect you as a practical matter, but it doesn't protect you legally.

Having a license to sell pot in Amsterdam, for example, doesn't give you the right to sell pot in the US.

For example, you can legally buy pot in the Netherlands - by phone call, or by visiting a website. You have not broken the law in either country.

You WILL break the laws of the US, however, if you import the pot. But the law does NOT govern the purchase of the pot in a foreign country from a foreign-based business.

I'm not sure I understand your example. But sending a controlled substance into the US is illegal, just as receiving it is. And the US has a long history of arresting people who do it, even foreign nationals, even if they are doing it from foreign countries.

If anyone is sending pot to Americans from Amsterdam (or wherever), he ought to keep a low profile, because he's asking for trouble.

Simple as that. BetOnSports is legally licensed as a bookmaker under the laws of the United Kingdom. It does not require a license in the US in order to operate its business.

It needs to comply with US law in order to (legally) conduct business in the US. Unfortunately, US law requires a gambling business to obtain a license from each state in which it hopes to conduct business.

My own opinion is that that's an entirely backward and inefficient state of affairs. It would make infinitely more sense, for the US to regulate and license internet gambling at a national level, rather than at the state level. But for historical and constitutional reasons, that is the law in the US, and it's liable to remain the law for the foreseeable future.

On the bright side, if it weren't for the split between federal and state authority in gambling matters, it would have been more difficult for the offshore sites to have penetrated the US market in the first place.

Also, the fact that the states have always traditionally (and in my view, constitutionally) had the right to decide which games to allow within their borders means that there will always be the possibility that internet gambling will become legal in some state, at some point in the future - regardless of what happens in Washington.

However, if it accepts sports wagers from Americans, it can then be considered in breach of US law because wagers on sporting events are explicitly prohibited by the Wire Act. This does NOT apply to casino gambling according to a Federal judge.

Another case in point - lotteries may not be sold interstate - that is to say, you cannot buy a lottery ticket issued by the state next door from your home state unless your home state also participates in this lottery. Yet you can look in any Time or Newsweek and find ads for lotteries in Spain, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Germany etc. You may do this by sending in the order form in the magazine, or you can call in a purchase by phone. Is this not illegal?

I repeat again: The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Wire Act applies only to sports betting and not other types of online gambling. The Supreme Court has not officially ruled on the meaning of the Federal Wire Act as it pertains to onlin[e gambling.
 
Just to be clear about something - I don't mean to say or imply that placing a bet on the internet violates any Federal law. Every Federal law on the subject, to my knowledge, targets gambling organizations or businesses - not individual gamblers.

Gambling on the internet (as opposed to running a gambling business) may violate state laws. For example, in my state, it's a Class C misdemeanor - the same level of misdemeanor as a traffic ticket. To my knowledge, no one's ever been charged for it.

If you're an affiliate in the US, you ought to consider talking to an attorney - one who is specifically knowledgeable about gambling law. Promoting illegal gambling is often a bigger deal than simply being an illegal gambler.

Don't rely on the sites you're promoting to tell you whether what you're doing is illegal.
 
Linus said:
Apparantly, it's just illegal enough to keep Mitch Garber out of the US, but not quite so illegal as to keep him from taking Americans' money.

There are no degrees of legality/illegality...it's either legal or not. For online casino officials who never had anything to do with US government in the past can come and go into US without a problem as they have in the past as long as they didn't violate the Wire Act by using telephones on sports betting. The US Courts have already ruled that the Internet is not covered by the Wire Act as the US Justice Department wants it to. Therefore the Justice Department or any other US enforcement agency have no basis to detain them. UNTIL the law(s) gets changed to include the Internet and/or casino-type gambling.

However, that isn't the issue in the Kaplan/Carruthers situation. Kaplan did illegal activities (using telephone for sports betting) while he was in the US and tried to avoid persecution by moving out of US which creates multiples of infractions. If you actually did something illegal in the US, don't thumb your nose at the authorities ....they never forget a slight and they will catch you one way or another....even if they have to arrest everyone else around you to get to you.
 

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