Blackjack is best in Bossmedia or Playtech?

gfkostas

Ex-Bonus Whore
I will go with bossmedia BJ.You have 0.10% edge against the casino by playing the single deck BJ at Pharaos casino.
 

hhcfreebie

Dormant account
Overall, BM's BJ offers better odds for players. The tiny difference of odds between BM and playtech should not be noticeable in a few thousand hands.
I myself have good luck with BM's muti-decks BJ.
 

lanidar

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iloveblackjack said:
Hello :)
In www.clubdicecasino.com (playtech) I cash out only $500 in last days but in www.elcasinovista.com (Boss Media) I was lucky last saturday with $5,000 cash out.
I`d appreciate your suggestions. :thumbsup:
First depositors make a $20 deposit and get a $20 bonus.

How much did you deposit in elcasinovista :confused:

Please note that a player must purchase a minimum of $20 and wager (0) times your deposit amount and thirty (30) times the bonus amount before making any withdrawals.
 

bethug

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playtec and boss media black jack is a joke.

They cant compare to wagerlogic or rtg or even micro
 

sw2003

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bethug said:
playtec and boss media black jack is a joke.

They cant compare to wagerlogic or rtg or even micro
Hey if you guy won money there, who cares which is better as long as
he can win!

Personally I prefer iGlobalMedia because they seem to be the easiest to win.
Unfortunately not that many casinos use them.
 

ueber_alles

Dormant account
I find playtech blackjack easy. I have never played for real money....so assuming they don't cheat.....I should do real well with it since it is suppose to be the same. Of course, a lot of people seem to think they cheat. Who knows? I will be sending some money to a playtech casino pretty soon. I'll be sure to give out my results. I've played over 10,000 hands in fun mode and have never come close to losing my bankroll. I would have won quite a lot of money if it was real. I always play as if I have 500 dollars and bet 5 each hand. So I base it on that percentage not the bankroll they give you.
 

kavaman

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Well. To say atleast, i think playtech bj, is rigged. The payout percentages may be right , but it acts so damn weird. Im not saying you cant win, yes you can, but i wouldnt play it.
Bossmedia... Oh well... I guess its ok. Rtg blackjack seems the most fair to me, if you compare between softwares (phoenician, inetbet)
However the rules arent as good as on Boss Media blackjack.. So ;).....

-kavaman
 

gfkostas

Ex-Bonus Whore
Sometimes I feel that Playtech and Boss media BJ's are like slot machines.
Anyhow i believe that Bossmedia has the best BJ around by far since you have 0,10% edge at the single deck BJ.I haven't played there lately but I guess they still offer it.
 

DealerBusts

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Bossmedia BJ is ok but a little streaky sometimes. Playtech BJ is rigged. At the end of the day its up to you which you play at and we can only give you our advice.
 

ueber_alles

Dormant account
When you say you think Playtech blackjack is rigged, what exactly do you mean? Do you think at some point, if you're winning, they automatically do something that causes you to lose. Or do you mean the software is riggedso you basically can't win. Or maybe you mean it plays like slots?
 

Clayman

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DealerBusts said:
Playtech BJ is rigged.
If most people claimed this I would probably pay little attention. But when you do, I have to think you know something - is it OCA's stats on this? Your own experience? Can you share any of it? It just seems to me somewhat out-of-character for you to make such an absolute claim. As you probably know, I've played very little Playtech BJ, as it happens, just a couple thousand hands (99.83% payback), preferring for the most part to play BJSwitch. (99.76% payback)

But knowing you feel this way makes me very hesitant to ever play it, as I have alot of respect for your opinions, believing they are usually based on a solid statistical foundation.
 

sw2003

Dormant account
ueber_alles said:
I find playtech blackjack easy. I have never played for real money....so assuming they don't cheat.....I should do real well with it since it is suppose to be the same. Of course, a lot of people seem to think they cheat. Who knows? I will be sending some money to a playtech casino pretty soon. I'll be sure to give out my results. I've played over 10,000 hands in fun mode and have never come close to losing my bankroll. I would have won quite a lot of money if it was real. I always play as if I have 500 dollars and bet 5 each hand. So I base it on that percentage not the bankroll they give you.
There is nothing like playing for real money! You can play as much play
money as you want, it is just not the same. I used to test with play money
mode, now I hardly even bother.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
Kavaman mentions the percentage payback stats for Playtech, but as far as I know these are "certified" by Mike Craig's privately owned OPA2, and little is known about what professional analysis he actually provides. This is presumably through a third party because I doubt that he has the capability himself.

Before Playtech's percentages are accepted I would therefore suggest that more information is necessary on how OPA2 certifies them, or if Playtech is now following another route for this service who is doing the independent verification / analysis.
 

Clayman

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jetset said:
Kavaman mentions the percentage payback stats for Playtech, but as far as I know these are "certified" by Mike Craig's privately owned OPA2, and little is known about what professional analysis he actually provides. This is presumably through a third party because I doubt that he has the capability himself.

Before Playtech's percentages are accepted I would therefore suggest that more information is necessary on how OPA2 certifies them, or if Playtech is now following another route for this service who is doing the independent verification / analysis.
Thanks for the update. If these are payback stats that are certified in the manner of PWC for Micro, I never put much stock in those figures in that I believe they are nothing more than total dollars paid out divided by total dollars wagered. I wish they would remove bet size (easy to do) and imperfect play (much more difficult to do) from these payback figures.

As far as determining the overall randomness of a software, I can't think of a better way of going about it than the methodology OCA uses. The theory is impeccable - one only worries about the execution. And now that one has to subscribe to it, I guess whatever stats it is accumulating are confidential.
 

Casinomeister

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jetset said:
Kavaman mentions the percentage payback stats for Playtech, but as far as I know these are "certified" by Mike Craig's privately owned OPA2, and little is known about what professional analysis he actually provides.
Well I know a "little" about this certification, it's a couple of guys sitting in Wales whose education doesn't go beyond high school.

Please someone, prove me wrong.
 

GrandMaster

Ueber Meister
CAG
Clayman said:
Thanks for the update. If these are payback stats that are certified in the manner of PWC for Micro, I never put much stock in those figures in that I believe they are nothing more than total dollars paid out divided by total dollars wagered. I wish they would remove bet size (easy to do) and imperfect play (much more difficult to do) from these payback figures.
I agree. Another thing that would be useful is the %age of money actually paid out and the %age withheld for reasons such as "bonus abuse", the player's failure to supply his grandmother's birth certificate, etc. :)

There may be other problems with the OCA, but the lack of education should not be an issue. All that's required to calculate the payout percentages is 3rd or 4th grade arithmetic. I wish I could get in on the racket.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
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I feel as if I have been repeating myself ad nauseum on this PwC percentage payouts question lately, but there seems to be an over simplified perception of what this system does, so I hope readers will be patient whilst I again try to explain it. I have discussed it's implications with both eCOGRA and PwC execs and this is my understanding:

The system is called TGTR which stands for Total Gaming Transaction Review and it was developed as a sophisticated proprietary system by professional staff at Pricewaterhouse Coopers, which is a large multinational accounting, audit and professional business services group with offices throughout the world.

The system is apparently designed to gather in every single transaction from an online casino and then subject it to a series of analytical processes through purpose built software that not only calculates payout percentages by game and by casino on a continuous basis, but runs other specialised checks too, using a considerable database and current information. Should any of these checks or calculations show aberrations a more detailed investigation is triggered, so my understanding is that the TGTR is not simply a percentage payout check.

I do not think I would be very comfortable with a percentage payout at these levels of activity that was not prepared by an independent, third party and substantial, respected professional body.
 
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