BJ and statistics

[mitch]

That's what happens when you become proficient at reading trend analysis and you're able to recognize the seeding and dumping. But for the gamblers that are not familiar with these techniques (99.99%) they're pretty much dead meat on a hook. Have a good one.

Cipher

When are you going to let up on this?
If everybody on the forum agrees to post that you are an undoubted genius will that satisfy your ego and stop you posting about the magical ability of your strands to predict the future by looking at the past?

I am posting this because in addition to your usual claims you are basically insulting the majority of people on this forum by stating they are dead meat if they don't use your strands and have your genius to interpret them correctly.

I may be prepared to give some credence to your claims, that casino software is not truly random in the sense that you have obtained the power to break it and predict to a certain degree future events, if you would just for once explain the glaring flaw in your reasoning. WHY ARE YOU NOT MEGA-RICH?

If I could get even a small definate advantage over casinos I would be rich within a very short time.

There are only 3 possibilities in this situation.
1 - You are mega-rich.
2 - You are not rich because you refuse for some reason to fully exploit your
"breakthrough".
3- Well you can work this one out for yourself!

So is there an answer Cipher?

Mitch

 

[Flavio4321]

To cipher and his system

This thread is not about betting systems, however if what cipher claims is true, if he has some statiscal proof of the correlation between dealt cards and bet size, he can show everybody in the forum his data. I am sure cipher doesnt want to show us his system, and thats great, it is his system and he can chose whether to tell us or not, but It couldnt hurt him or his sytem to post his data publicly because he openly says that the correlation exists, so casinos know about his ability to read trends.

 

[eek]

Hiya 'russo.
I don't know of anything else except whats on the website and google searches.

Some other guys were looking at it/asking about the PR5 standard on a MB I saw.
It looks like hes still at it, this was updated 29 Dec 2004.

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[Clayman]

That's what happens when you become proficient at reading trend analysis and you're able to recognize the seeding and dumping. But for the gamblers that are not familiar with these techniques (99.99%) they're pretty much dead meat on a hook.

Well, count me among the 99.99% because I have no idea what seeding, dumping or trend analysis mean.

Personally, I'd be thrilled to have a system that would just beat an honest negative expectation game but to have one that even beats a rigged negative EV game, well, that's just something really, really special.

Even so, I think I'll just do the best I can without these wonderful tools, dead meat as I am, in this fixed game where the bigger my bet, the less chance I have of winning it.

 

[caruso]

"...I've been having a look at porting the Fairdice Applications over to Debian Linux.

It looks like the missing libraries are libm and libpthread so editing the makefile to add the lines to EXTERNAL -lm -lpthread should do the trick. I shall investigate further to confirm, then update the cvs.

What I'd really like to do is use configure to produce system dependant makefiles, and release a proper debian package that people can use aptget with. Anyone out there know how to do this and willing to give some advice?"

I'd understand that better if it were written in Ancient Greek.

 

[eek]

I would think that he will have more luck with it if he uses linux which is heavily based around open systems and the techie community.

(it sounds like the linux approach is more flexible too.)

 

[cipher]

Cipher

When are you going to let up on this?
If everybody on the forum agrees to post that you are an undoubted genius will that satisfy your ego and stop you posting about the magical ability of your strands to predict the future by looking at the past?

I am posting this because in addition to your usual claims you are basically insulting the majority of people on this forum by stating they are dead meat if they don't use your strands and have your genius to interpret them correctly.

I may be prepared to give some credence to your claims, that casino software is not truly random in the sense that you have obtained the power to break it and predict to a certain degree future events, if you would just for once explain the glaring flaw in your reasoning. WHY ARE YOU NOT MEGA-RICH?

If I could get even a small definate advantage over casinos I would be rich within a very short time.

There are only 3 possibilities in this situation.
1 - You are mega-rich.
2 - You are not rich because you refuse for some reason to fully exploit your
"breakthrough".
3- Well you can work this one out for yourself!

So is there an answer Cipher?

Mitch

Mitch:

Do you really think I'm concerned about anything you might have to say about anything?

The answer to your question of today Mitch is exactly the same answer as when you asked that exact same questions months ago. I do quite well for myself Mitch and that obviously puts one hell of a burr under your saddle. Have a good one.

 

[bpb]

Mitch:

Do you really think I'm concerned about anything you might have to say about anything?

The answer to your question of today Mitch is exactly the same answer as when you asked that exact same questions months ago. I do quite well for myself Mitch and that obviously puts one hell of a burr under your saddle. Have a good one.

Wow, you are one arrogant prick.

PS ... don't bother with a "I don't care what you have to say either" response. You've already made that abundantly clear in other threads.

 

[bethug]

Why do the same people attack people over and over and nothing being done. If the man dont want to let you in on his system you dont have to hate the man.

If someone new come here and said he wins he gets attack.

 

[bpb]

Why do the same people attack people over and over and nothing being done.

I totally agree. Cipher has been extremely rude and arrogant in his attacks on anyone who questions anything about his data or his methods. Instead of providing information that could help prove or disprove the legitimacy of online deals, he provides insults and contempt. Nothing is being accomplished.

 

[Casinomeister]

Wow, you are one arrogant prick.

PS ... don't bother with a "I don't care what you have to say either" response. You've already made that abundantly clear in other threads.

bpb - name calling is a hokey pokey no-no. Please do not violate posting rules again.

For everyone else, it always seems that these threads that address the issue of software fairness spiral into personal attacks (or what seem to be attacks). Please reread what you've written before hitting the "submit reply" button - making sure we are not coming accross as abrasive or too emotional.

 

[Casinomeister]

My apologies for going off topic a bit. My rants and Bethug's raves have been moved here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...e-crucial-or-am-i-just-raggin-on-bethug.6855/

 

[Freudian]

This thread is not about betting systems, however if what cipher claims is true, if he has some statiscal proof of the correlation between dealt cards and bet size, he can show everybody in the forum his data. I am sure cipher doesnt want to show us his system, and thats great, it is his system and he can chose whether to tell us or not, but It couldnt hurt him or his sytem to post his data publicly because he openly says that the correlation exists, so casinos know about his ability to read trends.

If ciphers total statistics would show that you are more likely to lose a big bet than a small, he would be an overall loser. The very point of his system is that he wins more than his fair share of big bets or alternatively lose only small amounts on each of his losing hand. Can't see where he is supposed to win money if his stats actually show that he is more likely to lose a big bet than random chance would predict.

 

[mitch]

Mitch:
The answer to your question of today Mitch is exactly the same answer as when you asked that exact same questions months ago. I do quite well for myself Mitch and that obviously puts one hell of a burr under your saddle. Have a good one.

So I take it that you are rich then!

Good, I like to see players winning.

I'm not on your case Cipher because I don't believe you are winning I am sure that you, in common with a number of other players on this forum, are well ahead and have every prospect of continuing to win in the future. The only issue is that it is your 'strands' that are the basic cause of this, useful though they may be as a tracking tool and check against rogue casinos.

Any way best wishes for a prosperous New Year and happy crystal strand gazing

Mitch

 

[Clayman]

If ciphers total statistics would show that you are more likely to lose a big bet than a small, he would be an overall loser. The very point of his system is that he wins more than his fair share of big bets or alternatively lose only small amounts on each of his losing hand. Can't see where he is supposed to win money if his stats actually show that he is more likely to lose a big bet than random chance would predict.

His point seems to me to be his system is so good it can even overcome the (alleged) bias against winning big bets.

Reminds me of "Why do elephants have pink eyes?" Answer "So they can hide in cherry trees."

Have you ever seen an elephant in a cherry tree?

See, it works.

 

[Freudian]

His point seems to me to be his system is so good it can even overcome the (alleged) bias against winning big bets.

Reminds me of "Why do elephants have pink eyes?" Answer "So they can hide in cherry trees."

Have you ever seen an elephant in a cherry tree?

See, it works.

I am not saying that a part of his stats could show what he claims (some sort of recon samples where he doesn't employ any strategy). I am just saying I don't see him being a winner overall if his total sample show big bets to be less likely to win than small ones.

Of course if one is able to predict winning and losing hands to some degree, then you can be a huge winner. But then your stats would indicate big bets are more likely to win than small bets.

 

[Flavio4321]

I dont remember cipher saying that the software is rigged in a way that you lose big bets and win small ones, I think he said that there is correlation between cards dealt and bet size. Besides this fact, cipher never show enough data to proof his abilitity in reading trends. So, as far as I am concerned he can say whatever he want to say but to make me believe in his " reading trends ability" he sholud show me de data and the test that he performed to proof the correlation. This last thing is it exactly what I am looking for, some test to proof casinos honesty or lack of integrity.

So please to cipher and everyone else, you can believe that casinos are rigged but if you cant prove it or at least if you are not kind enough to provide the rest of the forum members with your logs so we can try to analize them, I think you shoul keep your opinion to yourself or start a new thread called "what I believe of casinos BJ"