New Slot Announcement Big Time Gaming - Who Wants To Be A Millionaire

[snorky510238]

This slot seems very controlled IMO. Features on my last 2 sessions have been like gold dust. I managed 3 in all. Results ask audience 89% lost. Ask audience 81% lost. 50/50 lost. To wait all that time and then not even get to 10 spins is not my idea of fun. I have always stated slots ain’t random and I stick to that rigidly or should I say riggedly. This slot is an absolute giveaway when it comes to backing up that statement. It feels so compensated it’s unreal. There will be big hits I am sure but like DOA all the x10’s and less or in this case not even making the free spins will compensate for it.

 

[Nate]

This slot seems very controlled IMO. Features on my last 2 sessions have been like gold dust. I managed 3 in all. Results ask audience 89% lost. Ask audience 81% lost. 50/50 lost. To wait all that time and then not even get to 10 spins is not my idea of fun. I have always stated slots ain’t random and I stick to that rigidly or should I say riggedly. This slot is an absolute giveaway when it comes to backing up that statement. It feels so compensated it’s unreal. There will be big hits I am sure but like DOA all the x10’s and less or in this case not even making the free spins will compensate for it.

Exactly what I've been saying... IMHO its a bag of shit - Typical BTG drivel. Seen that pattern many many times over the runs I gave it.

Nate

 

[snorky510238]

Exactly what I've been saying... IMHO its a bag of shit - Typical BTG drivel. Seen that pattern many many times over the runs I gave it.

Nate

Yep agreed I gave it one last try at VS just because my last 2 sessions were absolutely abysmal and you guessed it no change. Triggered 2 bonus 50/50 both times and yes failed to make the 10 spins on both. That’s 5 in a row. This slot is badly programmed I mean how do you account for hardly ever seeing a king on reel 2? Does anyone apart from Tm really think it’s all random? I will happily admit defeat with this heap of junk and settle for not being a millionaire. The only connection with million this slot has is if you keep playing it that’s how much you could be in debt.

 

[dunover]

Exactly what I've been saying... IMHO its a bag of shit - Typical BTG drivel. Seen that pattern many many times over the runs I gave it.

Nate

You'll love this thread Nate:

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Check out the TOSSER section lol...

 

[shadow123]

Seriously think that game should be pulled from all sites, the gamble is totally fraudulent.

 

[colinsunderland]

Yep agreed I gave it one last try at VS just because my last 2 sessions were absolutely abysmal and you guessed it no change. Triggered 2 bonus 50/50 both times and yes failed to make the 10 spins on both. That’s 5 in a row. This slot is badly programmed I mean how do you account for hardly ever seeing a king on reel 2? Does anyone apart from Tm really think it’s all random? I will happily admit defeat with this heap of junk and settle for not being a millionaire. The only connection with million this slot has is if you keep playing it that’s how much you could be in debt.

I don't like the game, there is no way the gamble gives true odds, twice I had 1% being the correct answer, twice 3% and about 5 more times it being under 10%. Thats out of around 40 features. Same as Extra Chilli's so called 50/50 and 60/40 gamble, I've had 13 losing gambles in a row on that and another session gave 11. The probability of that happening on either game is astronomical, if the stated odds are actually correct..

However, regarding the king, if you watch the reel strip on reel 2, there are hardly any kings so its always going to be rarer to get one on there than say an ace, as there are many more aces on the reel.

I played it for a little bit on Sky tonight as I was up and wanted to watch the kings on reel 2, playing £2 a spin, got 4 features in 30 spins, first one paid £2.20 from 12 spins, second lost the first gamble (selected 84%, 3% was the correct answer), 3rd, 14 spins + retrigger £78, 4th 16 spins, £27, of which £10 odd was from the base game. Don't expect to win 10000x stake every time, but 50x from 4 features, gtf.

 

[snorky510238]

I don't like the game, there is no way the gamble gives true odds, twice I had 1% being the correct answer, twice 3% and about 5 more times it being under 10%. Thats out of around 40 features. Same as Extra Chilli's so called 50/50 and 60/40 gamble, I've had 13 losing gambles in a row on that and another session gave 11. The probability of that happening on either game is astronomical, if the stated odds are actually correct..

However, regarding the king, if you watch the reel strip on reel 2, there are hardly any kings so its always going to be rarer to get one on there than say an ace, as there are many more aces on the reel.

I played it for a little bit on Sky tonight as I was up and wanted to watch the kings on reel 2, playing £2 a spin, got 4 features in 30 spins, first one paid £2.20 from 12 spins, second lost the first gamble (selected 84%, 3% was the correct answer), 3rd, 14 spins + retrigger £78, 4th 16 spins, £27, of which £10 odd was from the base game. Don't expect to win 10000x stake every time, but 50x from 4 features, gtf.

The whole game just doesn’t feel ‘natural’ for want of a better word. Like the kind of things that should happen if it was random. It all feels totally controlled. I mean with gambles (audience and paf) it should say 25% for A,B,C and D. That’s what the true odds must be as the outcome is based literally on nothing (there is no question or equatable answer) therefore unless the percentage is helping you (which it clearly isn’t) how does this pass ‘fair play’. You are being purposely mislead to lose.

 

[OpiumDose]

You know BTG has set a really low bar for visuals in their slots when there are actually people here who say that this slot looks great. No, it doesn't. It looks lazy and uninspired. It's mostly re-used assets from their previous works mashed together with WWTBAM visual assets. Say what you will about NetEnt and the quality of their slots, but at the very least it's always apparent (with very few exceptions) that they have put a lot of work in visuals and audio for their slots. This one just seems like a lazy cash grab.

I tried it multiple times. I expected the bonus to be triggered much more often than Bonanza, but in my limited experience that's not really the case. I still average ~450 spins for a bonus. And the worst part is - hitting bonus doesn't really guarantee you a bonus. Yes, sure, you can take 8 spins so technically bonus is a guarantee if you want it to be. But let's be honest - 8 spins is not really a bonus - you will not win anything with 8 spins - you know it, I know it and BTG knows it too. The bonus is designed to make you gamble your feature at least once. And that's shameful. It should have been designed in a way that hitting the bonus always guarantees 10 spins that you can't lose - so basically the "8 spins" step should not be there.

I see a lot of people complain about the percentages, but in my very limited experience they seem to be in line with the odds they represent. Having 75% odds on a certain answer still means it will be wrong 1 out of 4 times. BTG have confirmed that those percentages represent true odds and I have no reason to doubt it. Not that it makes it better. I hate having that gamble feature at all. Because the possibility of those high freespin counts (if percentages are real and count is not pre-determined) must mean less high paying features with 10-20 spins. I'd rather play Bonanza and get 12 spins guaranteed always. It might still pay like shit, but at least with 12 spins you feel like it could still go big. Not so much with 8 spins.

This game spins more fluidly than Bonanza and it has less annoying music and apparently you can get max megaways more often (especially in freespins) than on Bonanza, but still I can't see myself playing this one too often. Don't like the look of it, hate the gamble feature and the way it's implemented and so far I haven't managed to win anything of any notice on this one.

 

[shadow123]

Must be Xmas, actually won on this, £2 stake, lost first feature on 89% as you do,gave it an absolutley final
last chance and played for another feature.collected 12 spins, got a 10 spins retrigger and ended up with £600.
I am now up on this and it can get stuffed

 

[wokingjames5]

Must be Xmas, actually won on this, £2 stake, lost first feature on 89% as you do,gave it an absolutley final
last chance and played for another feature.collected 12 spins, got a 10 spins retrigger and ended up with £600.
I am now up on this and it can get stuffed

 

[wokingjames5]

Interesting you would collect 12 spins, I'd always go for it at 12 tbh. 12 not normally paying decent and you might get a decent gamble from 14 to 16 etc. Although a 97% ATA would probably lose

 

[shadow123]

Just so sick of losing gambles I was determined to get something back and 12 spins can pay so I collected when I reached them
Interestingly I got the retrigger on the first spin but if i had gambled and lost the 10 spins it would have paid about £200 less
Still hate the bloody thing.

 

[wokingjames5]

Just so sick of losing gambles I was determined to get something back and 12 spins can pay so I collected when I reached them
Interestingly I got the retrigger on the first spin but if i had gambled and lost the 10 spins it would have paid about £200 less
Still hate the bloody thing.

I prefer it to Chilli as although it can be a bitch I don't find it quite as tilting as Chilli

 

[goatwack]

Posting this for Shapesy

I think we can all agree it's quite a belter

 

[shapesy]

Cheers Goatie am thick with technology so emailed the Goat and he has put it in the thread thanks

 

[shapesy]

and it was off the minimum 8 spins decided not to risk the 66% chance of getting at least 10

 

[imnick1985]

Posting this for Shapesy

I think we can all agree it's quite a belter

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Wow what a monster, congrats! I had quite the opposite luck on it tonight, i was sure i clicked on DHV but Millionairre loaded up, i stupidly thought ooh maybe its a sign i should play this....£210 later on 80p a spin it finally decided to drop in a bonus only to kill me on the first ask the audience gamble which was 83%. Grrr

 

[snorky510238]

Wow on 8 spins. More fuel for my theory that the amount of spins counts for nothing as we have seen 50 pay less. Fantastic win.

 

[robby811]

Posting this for Shapesy

I think we can all agree it's quite a belter

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WoW you did congratz now you can buy yourself 3 Laptops for playing Football Manager thats awesome and dont forget my hottie totties to ship.

 

[paul7388]

Wow on 8 spins. More fuel for my theory that the amount of spins counts for nothing as we have seen 50 pay less. Fantastic win.

Great hit congrats.

And off the 8 spins as well.

Like ive said before on Chilli my biggest wins all came from 8 spins. 24 has paid okay before but never as much as i have hit on 8 a few times. I really think if it is going to pay it does not matter how many spins you have. Saw it before all wins paid in first few spins then 10 dead in a row.

 

[snorky510238]

Great hit congrats.

And off the 8 spins as well.

Like ive said before on Chilli my biggest wins all came from 8 spins. 24 has paid okay before but never as much as i have hit on 8 a few times. I really think if it is going to pay it does not matter how many spins you have. Saw it before all wins paid in first few spins then 10 dead in a row.

IMO all bonus rounds are scripted. How many spins, how the combinations of wins arrive at the predetermined amount is immaterial.

 

[Siohmy]

How are some still not getting this?! 50 spins gives you more chances to hit more winning spins and give larger wins. It does not in any way guarantee a huge win. Equally, you may get very lucky on 8 spins and hit a max megaways win which cascades a few times. I’ve hit 400x with 10 spins as this happened to me. It’s very similar to Raging Rhino in this respect. You can get 70+ spins on Rhino and barely get 30x but you are waiting for that monster hit. If you don’t get it the bonus more often than not will be disappointing no matter how many spins.

Granted, the multiplier on WWTBAM should mean bigger wins with more spins but the more frequent max megaways mean it has to have more dead spins. I have no doubt this slot is random with each spin. I have no reason to think the gambles are not truly representative of the odds displayed. I will say that the reels are likely heavily weighted as the lack of Kings on reel 2 seems to indicate but this has been going since the beginning of time and is pretty essential on most slots. I remember JPM fruit machines would put only 1-2 of a symbol on one reel whilst heavily loading the others (obviously one example of pretty much all manufacturers). I guess the difference is that those slots were actually compensated yet still tried to present a true chance scenario, something which many random machine manufacturers these days are pretty much abandoning.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yep agreed I gave it one last try at VS just because my last 2 sessions were absolutely abysmal and you guessed it no change. Triggered 2 bonus 50/50 both times and yes failed to make the 10 spins on both. That’s 5 in a row. This slot is badly programmed I mean how do you account for hardly ever seeing a king on reel 2? Does anyone apart from Tm really think it’s all random? I will happily admit defeat with this heap of junk and settle for not being a millionaire. The only connection with million this slot has is if you keep playing it that’s how much you could be in debt.

Random doesn't mean evenly distributed... we've been through this before

 

[trancemonkey]

IMO all bonus rounds are scripted. How many spins, how the combinations of wins arrive at the predetermined amount is immaterial.

You're entitled to that incorrect opinion

 

[TheAddict]

I am far from btg's biggest fan. Hell, watching that 50 spins vid play out was painful as fook what with the dead spins and no respectable hit once finally reaching the rare realms of higher multipliers, I'd of been seriously pissed if that was me lol.
But comparing what could easily (pure guess ofc) be over 1000 'eight spin bonus round' results had amongst players here (obviously not all recorded lol, and only seeing one truelly sexy hit put up afaik - the picture just recently posted on behalf of someone by goaty here) to that of one 50 spin result posted here which was underwhelming, and tcomung to the conclusion that is further reason to consider it's predetermined regardless of when the player collects or gambles, is a bit of a stretch.
If it didn't matter at all, and it was pre determined the moment the feature landed - making no difference no matter how many spins you collected, i wouldn't have expected to see the 50 spins result reach even as high as it did. If that was indeed true, the feature result was picked before collecting spins, I'd expect the 50 spins result that was recently recorded (which was still crap!) to be like most of the rest of results people tend to get from 8, 10 or 12 spins... and not even the few hundred times bet that the end result was, since if it's picking from the same pool of results at the start, then its unlikely that the first 50 spins hit we here get to see, would have produced even what it did.
Of course you could make an argument that it is the moment when collecting spins is where it selects a pre determined result, from a rng with different possibld outcomes, dependent on how many spins one collects, making the spins just eye candy. But, it makes no sense other than that of a suicidal maniac, for btg to come out and deny this as well (by saying each spin is individual, which afaik they did).

 

[robby811]

I am far from btg's biggest fan. Hell, watching that 50 spins vid play out was painful as fook what with the dead spins and no respectable hit once finally reaching the rare realms of higher multipliers, I'd of been seriously pissed if that was me lol.
But comparing what could easily (pure guess ofc) be over 1000 'eight spin bonus round' results had amongst players here (obviously not all recorded lol, and only seeing one truelly sexy hit put up afaik - the picture just recently posted on behalf of someone by goaty here) to that of one 50 spin result posted here which was underwhelming, and tcomung to the conclusion that is further reason to consider it's predetermined regardless of when the player collects or gambles, is a bit of a stretch.
If it didn't matter at all, and it was pre determined the moment the feature landed - making no difference no matter how many spins you collected, i wouldn't have expected to see the 50 spins result reach even as high as it did. If that was indeed true, the feature result was picked before collecting spins, I'd expect the 50 spins result that was recently recorded (which was still crap!) to be like most of the rest of results people tend to get from 8, 10 or 12 spins... and not even the few hundred times bet that the end result was, since if it's picking from the same pool of results at the start, then its unlikely that the first 50 spins hit we here get to see, would have produced even what it did.
Of course you could make an argument that it is the moment when collecting spins is where it selects a pre determined result, from a rng with different possibld outcomes, dependent on how many spins one collects, making the spins just eye candy. But, it makes no sense other than that of a suicidal maniac, for btg to come out and deny this as well (by saying each spin is individual, which afaik they did).

Can you please change the nick to adamtheBTGaddict

 

[TheAddict]

Can you please change the nick to adamtheBTGaddict

Its a generalisation anyway bro. But ceartin things, like btg or roulette for example, i refuse to allow my natural instincts any access to!

 

[shadow123]

How are some still not getting this?! 50 spins gives you more chances to hit more winning spins and give larger wins. It does not in any way guarantee a huge win. Equally, you may get very lucky on 8 spins and hit a max megaways win which cascades a few times. I’ve hit 400x with 10 spins as this happened to me. It’s very similar to Raging Rhino in this respect. You can get 70+ spins on Rhino and barely get 30x but you are waiting for that monster hit. If you don’t get it the bonus more often than not will be disappointing no matter how many spins.

Granted, the multiplier on WWTBAM should mean bigger wins with more spins but the more frequent max megaways mean it has to have more dead spins. I have no doubt this slot is random with each spin. I have no reason to think the gambles are not truly representative of the odds displayed. I will say that the reels are likely heavily weighted as the lack of Kings on reel 2 seems to indicate but this has been going since the beginning of time and is pretty essential on most slots. I remember JPM fruit machines would put only 1-2 of a symbol on one reel whilst heavily loading the others (obviously one example of pretty much all manufacturers). I guess the difference is that those slots were actually compensated yet still tried to present a true chance scenario, something which many random machine manufacturers these days are pretty much abandoning.

No reason to think the gambles are not truly representative of the odds displayed???

Have you actually played the game

 

[shadow123]

A question I have been meaning to ask, when you walk away ie collect the spins is the correct answer always
the highest pecentage?.Think it has been every time i noted it and cant remember any very low % chances

 

[snorky510238]

A question I have been meaning to ask, when you walk away ie collect the spins is the correct answer always
the highest pecentage?.Think it has been every time i noted it and cant remember any very low % chances

Yes every time I have walked away the answer without exception has been the highest percentage even when that’s been like 54% or something. How many times do you have to gamble to get to 50 spins?

 

[shadow123]

lazy programming

 

[snorky510238]

I make it 11 correct gambles to get to 50 spins at a quick glance. I have never gone past 16 but assuming the help is fairly evenly dispersed ie you get say 3 ask audience, 4 50/50 and 4 paf or similar by my reckoning the accumulative odds of a player getting to 50 spins are 262,144 to 1 with 4 50/50’s or 524,288 to 1 with 3 50/50’s. With only 2 50/50s you are looking at 1,048,576 to 1 which tells me unless you are being “assisted” massively by something within the program it’s highley unlikely anybody would ever reach 50 spins. Take ‘Shapesy’s win for example. When he triggered the bonus IMO he was guaranteed a set amount of winnings and to possibly get to 50 spins (or at least a high number). Had he chosen this route he would of seen different outcomes, maybe more average winning spins and quite a few dead spins ( but same total achieved). However when he walks away with 8 the program compensates by cramming huge wins into a smaller amount of spins. The program could have endless ways of reaching the fore said amount. It’s only my theory and as trance will tell you I am totally wrong but I can’t help it if I like to think ‘outside the box’.

 

[Devontheman]

Sorry guys if I seem thick but do you have to gamble for 8 spins? Or do you start with 8 spins

 

[snorky510238]

You start with 8 and you can lose them in the gamble to 10. If you get to 10 they are guaranteed you can’t get less than 10.

 

[Devontheman]

Yay

 

[Devontheman]

My 10th time playing slots and bonanza mainly and still ain’t made any profit there just shit

 

[Siohmy]

No reason to think the gambles are not truly representative of the odds displayed???

Have you actually played the game

Yep, a reasonable amount. Not to the level many on here have, granted, but enough to see around 12-15 odd features. Lost I think 2-3 on first gamble.

Obviously I’d like to think that the gamble has been tested and checked by the authorities before release and passed*. No reason to think it hasn’t. The ethics of presenting such gambles is another conversation altogether. Also, whilst I haven’t noticed it myself, if it does consistently present the “best percentage” as correct when you walk away that is very shady in the extreme.

* Of course the whole Jammin Jars debacle has thrown some doubt on this.

 

[dunover]

Well the Blueprint gamble on Vikings Unleashed seems to be pretty 'fair' and representative and look at the difference to Millionaire. BUT!! Check the reels in the FS out....

It's clear that each games randomly dictates your big-hit chances but in very different ways.

 

[snorky510238]

Like I said previously IMO the gamble is controlled. The reason I think they have put the percentages alongside A,B,C,D is because if they were all represented as 25% (which the logically should be) then very few people who are “maths” minded are likely to attempt to get anywhere near 50 spins as they know the chances of achieving it are slimmer than slim.

 

[thr0b]

Maybe it would be better if the 50:50 gamble was first?

 

[Devontheman]

Like I said previously IMO the gamble is controlled. The reason I think they have put the percentages alongside A,B,C,D is because if they were all represented as 25% (which the logically should be) then very few people who are “maths” minded are likely to attempt to get anywhere near 50 spins as they know the chances of achieving it are slimmer than slim.

The games typically rigged that’s all...

 

[shadow123]

I think they have pulled a fast one, there is an imaginary question presented to an imaginary audience,
and they show the results of what the audience selects as the answer.
They can quite rightly say that the percentages are not the chance of winning the gamble but just
guidence on which the player makes his decision.They do state that the best stratagy is to go with the highest
percentage but I am 99% sure that the shown odds bear little resemblance to the odds of success.
Will be quite happy for anyone to prove me wrong but I cannot play the game as I find the feature more of a ordeal
than a reward

 

[Siohmy]

The way some games are designed are potentially questionable but the whole “rigged” argument is a bit farcical really especially when those posturing the rigged element are just putting forward perceptions of losing sessions as evidence.

The argument that a number of people here are putting forward as evidence of rigged slots, if nothing else, ignores the potential larger silent majority of players who are not witnessing any such dubious results.

I spent a year in New York back in 2005. I regularly played poker. One evening 4 friends played some 7 card stud at the bar which I could not afford to play but agreed to deal. In four hands I dealt a straight flush, a second straight flush then, after a nothing hand, four aces, all to three different players (the other player was miffed!). I am no expert at stacking the deck and shuffled thoroughly but can only imagine the response on forums had this happened online.

Point is, is some dodgy shit going on? Maybe. I am not naive enough to think it cannot be, but some things being presented as factual conclusions is some way off the mark.

 

[Devontheman]

I say there rigged because I’ve played slots 10 times low stakes and never been up once from it in last 2 months no one can be unlucky that many times I’m mainly referring to bonanza though

 

[lockinlove]

Im starting to believe others when they say the amount of spins you have doesnt matter. When I felt like I was going to lose the 50/50 gamble to get to 10 I decided to take the 8 and I have had quite a few pay zero. So I think that was 100% meant to be a loss if I took the gamble. And instead since I walked away it paid me the same amount as if I lost the gamble.

 

[Siohmy]

I say there rigged because I’ve played slots 10 times low stakes and never been up once from it in last 2 months no one can be unlucky that many times I’m mainly referring to bonanza though

All I can say is that I went through a horrific run at VS across many slots over many sessions which pulled my overall RTP down from an already low 93% odd to near 91.5%. Have had recovered a few winning sessions lately but bad runs do occur and can often go on for significant length of time. Even pro poker players who are actually expecting to win in the long run have had losing months, even up to a year, because luck can sometimes run horrendously. I will say this. I do not play streamer level amounts. In fact I probably only play a few hundred spins a month at most, occasionally more. In the many years I’ve played I have been lucky enough to hit one JP for 8400x once and 1000x plus twice. That is all. How’s your luck?

 

[Devontheman]

I’ve never win big on a slot same old teases and bad paying bonuses..

 

[snorky510238]

I am no expert when it comes to software but I do know it can’t program itself. Therefore conclusions have to be written in surely. All the troubleshooting has to be covered. The “if or” scenario. The outcome is decided before the reels spin. In bonus rounds it’s hard to believe each spin is independent as usually it’s a run of the mill 8 dead spins out of 10 or 12. Yet on the bigger paying ones it’s the other way around. If it was truly random knowing the potential in some bonus rounds you would be extremely unlikely and unlucky to have these consistent runs of hitting x10 or less with no let up. 7 of my best 20 wins this year on a certain slot all came within 5 hours during one session. That’s more like compensated to me.

 

[snorky510238]

By the way when did Btg remove the scatters from this game?

 

[Greigssy]

6 hours play tonight split between this and Bonanza and no bonuses on any of them.
I usually get at least a bonus on this and only had GOL twice on Bonanza which is insane, bonus pot was empty tonight, collect mode for sure.

That being said I then went and played Diamond Mine after 400+ spins got a bonus and paid 3xbet, so just as bad.

Last time I play megaways this year.