It's fun to see the multiplier going up and hoping to land something while the multiplier is high. I didn't find it boring.
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It's fun to see the multiplier going up and hoping to land something while the multiplier is high. I didn't find it boring.
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this seems to have a potential problem thats going to annoy, not only does the multiplier reset after any free spins are used up (which generally wont annoy and happens on most games) but today on my last spin of free spins i was up to x32 after a win, soon as the bonus free spins ran out it resets to x1.
If you reload the game in real money it seems to do the same also for me at least i tried it on a x2 win, reloaded the game and its back to x1, so make sure you have a balance to play on if you are at x32, or pray you dont have login issues, net issues..
edit - nvm i was incorrect on the real money - once you have enough money its ok :0
This is a really anoying problem. I "only" had 5 free spins from redbet. But got wins from 2nd spin and multiplier went up to 16X then free spin rounds finished. I got a win of almost €7 and was due maybe a BIG one here...... why at least does it not stay so you can then continue with spinning the cash (bonus) at £0,25..... Must say i am P....ed off.
Serious this is an error and NetEnt should remove the slot and get it fixed. Clearly feature should be saved even when running out of cash if its not a bonus or maybe free spins session.
So clearly if your balance is under €/$/$1,25 you can not play this slot in case hitting a win........
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Just finished all the free spins I got today. Man, such a missed opportunity.
If they only went the re-spin route, this could have been great slot.
Got up to 16x at AllIrish on last spin, won 3.60 and bam, multiplier gone.
Can see this happened to all of us, wtf netent?
If they only went the re-spin route, this could have been great slot.
Got up to 16x at AllIrish on last spin, won 3.60 and bam, multiplier gone.
Can see this happened to all of us, wtf netent?
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This is a really anoying problem. I "only" had 5 free spins from redbet. But got wins from 2nd spin and multiplier went up to 16X then free spin rounds finished. I got a win of almost €7 and was due maybe a BIG one here...... why at least does it not stay so you can then continue with spinning the cash (bonus) at £0,25..... Must say i am P....ed off.
Serious this is an error and NetEnt should remove the slot and get it fixed. Clearly feature should be saved even when running out of cash if its not a bonus or maybe free spins session.
So clearly if your balance is under €/$/$1,25 you can not play this slot in case hitting a win........
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Wonder what happens when you play for real. Netent slots crash and reload a lot, if you lose the multiplier in that case,
it`s a big problem.
Anyone knows?
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THANK YOU GUTS!! had 20 spins towards end got up to 32x multiplier and had 2 more wins on that. Just won £28,16 total 
BUT after 32x had next spin no win. Spin just after gave me red planets with 4 wilds. Paid £10 alone
if that had been with still 32x multiplier =£320
Crazy with bet of only 0,25 would been over 1400x
But not complaining thank you very much for 20 spins Guts you are very kind. I am now putting all in on this slot to get the win should have had everywhere else
BUT after 32x had next spin no win. Spin just after gave me red planets with 4 wilds. Paid £10 alone
if that had been with still 32x multiplier =£320 Crazy with bet of only 0,25 would been over 1400x
But not complaining thank you very much for 20 spins Guts you are very kind. I am now putting all in on this slot to get the win should have had everywhere else
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I got 5 free-spins at a couple of places - which only demonstrates some casino's total lack of knowledge of their own games IMHO.I can't even be bothered to login to the casinos that have sent me free spins on this, that's how much I dig Netent's new stuff
What is the point of giving players 5 spins on a slot where you need at least 6 spins to get to the top level?
And if it re-sets to x1 after the free plays, as other have posted - it makes it even more daft!
The only NetEnt free-spin offer I've seen which was worse than this, was some casino giving out 10 free spins for Robin Hood...
That's about as much use as a chocolate teapot, as you'd have about a 0.0000001% chance of triggering the free-spin feature!
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I thought reel rush was the worst slot netent ever created, the fastest money eating piece of sh*t ever.
However I was wrong, big bang is even worse. Really this must be the most annoying slot I have played in a year for all the reasons forum members mentioned in earlier posts.
However I was wrong, big bang is even worse. Really this must be the most annoying slot I have played in a year for all the reasons forum members mentioned in earlier posts.
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Lol, I foresee a lot of complaints that may ultimately require the game being fixed to save mult or pulled altogether if the mult gets lost every reset/logout/crash.
I haven't played it with real deposited funds yet. If it's saved, awesome. If not, there's a shit-storm waiting to happen.
I haven't played it with real deposited funds yet. If it's saved, awesome. If not, there's a shit-storm waiting to happen.
The way it worked when i played it for real at Betsafe last week was that multipliers are saved separately for each bet size, and they are saved if you log out and back in.
I too played some free spin offers today and noticed that the multiplier was gone after my free spins was over, I'm guessing that free spins are counted as a separate bet size, and that this is the reason why it doesn't carry over to real play afterwards.
The way they should have done it is to have the game remember what the bet size of the free spins was and then have that carry over to real play.
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Thanks i noticed same thing when i logged back into slot at Guts. It came up with message that multiplier bet etc was saved feature something like that. So yeah they definitely got a fix on this slot. Only yes free spins where it does not carry on. I guess this is just not the slot to give out free spins on. Can't wait for the 35 free spins at LeoVegas tomorrow i made deposit for
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This is not going to happen, it will cost the casino too much and makes it open for advantage play.
It's the same way with bonuses, you can't play this game with bonus money and then leave when at the 32x multiplier and then return to play with real money (at least not at the casinos I've played at)
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Having gone through a couple thousand spins ,this slot doesn't seem so bad. No bonus rounds to get you frustrated and it can definitely has the possibility to pay big if you can get a nice streak of wins @ 32x. Of course the chances of this are very slim as with any slot but there's no frustration with going hundreds of spins without getting tot the 32x multiplier as with the bonus rounds on Netent's other recent offerings. Of course my opinion might change once I put some more spins into it but for now I'm currently hooked and my money seems to last for a while so a 7/10 for me.
I don't see how this would be that expensive, nor how people can take advantage of it? Free spins are normally at min bet, and multipliers are saved separately for each bet size, so you can't increase your bet to take advantage of it like you could with RTG's latest fiasco Orc vs Elf.
This seems odd, the way NetEnt usually handles features triggered with bonus money, is that any winnings from that feature will be bonus money too.
But what you are saying is that this is not the case and you actually lose the multipliers if you return with real money?
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Yes, this seems to be a better slot than most of NetBent's recent crapola, and a bit more imaginative. I don't play NetBent any more but time to sling a few hundred thousand free plays through it methinks....
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Good luck to those who think this is a decent release & waste their money on it.
Had a proper go - $600 gone on $1.25 flat betting. Never been literally robbed of my money so quickly and effortlessly. I blame myself for even thinking NetEnt will try something different apart from trying to rip a hole in your wallet.
Pathetic - RTP could be less than 50% with the best hit just over 20x.... I thought after the Creature things wouldn't get any worse... Boy oh boy was I stupid to expect anything better from NetEnt.
Just to add - I didn't have enough credits to bust my ass out so I had to drop my bet... I thought My multiplier dropped too.... but it didnt
Nate
Had a proper go - $600 gone on $1.25 flat betting. Never been literally robbed of my money so quickly and effortlessly. I blame myself for even thinking NetEnt will try something different apart from trying to rip a hole in your wallet.
Pathetic - RTP could be less than 50% with the best hit just over 20x.... I thought after the Creature things wouldn't get any worse... Boy oh boy was I stupid to expect anything better from NetEnt.
Just to add - I didn't have enough credits to bust my ass out so I had to drop my bet... I thought My multiplier dropped too.... but it didnt
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Yep I think I spoke to soon. After giving this slot some more playtime it looks like Netent has managed to imbue their perfect money-draining no cashout formula once again. Biggest win so far is ~150x bet which was not a single spin but the result of several spins at 32x multiplier. After that it was the usual 20-50x bet then a string of empty spins demolishing 100x bet and rarely getting more than 8x multiplier. Should of cashed out after that first "big win", now it looks like I'll be enduring the torturous "death by a thousand cuts" that these slots are so famous for.
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I wish I even could say I had 50x - that would be giving NetEnt way too much credit.
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I just got 35 free spins from Leo Vegas, which is equivalent to £8.75. I won a whopping £1.69 from them. First and last time I'll be playing it
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I just want to clear up a couple of things.
The max win is 2680xBet, no idea why i thought it was 1300x earlier. max win on NetEnt games is max win in coins divided by max bet in coins.
And it would seem i was wrong in thinking that the multipliers are saved separately for each bet size.
They should do it like MG does with the untamed games, where the collect a wild wilds are saved separately for each bet size.
The max win is 2680xBet, no idea why i thought it was 1300x earlier. max win on NetEnt games is max win in coins divided by max bet in coins.
And it would seem i was wrong in thinking that the multipliers are saved separately for each bet size.
They should do it like MG does with the untamed games, where the collect a wild wilds are saved separately for each bet size.
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Had a go at Betsafe. Forty euro flushed down the toilet, in minutes. And on 0.25 bet 
Seriously NetEnt, keep my money, I don`t care, just give me a good time. First Twin Spin,
now this. I think I will just keep away from slots with no free spins.
Seriously NetEnt, keep my money, I don`t care, just give me a good time. First Twin Spin,
now this. I think I will just keep away from slots with no free spins.
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Id like to say one piece.... and probably my last on this Slot (before someone accuses me of a witch hunt 
)
NetEnt are losing credibility in my eyes far more rapidly than they gained it. They have gone within a matter of months from a probable 8/10 to a 4/10 in MY eyes.
It's not about the design and their games - I rate them quite highly for innovation and thinking out the box. Their graphics are superb and game play has improved vastly on new slots like CFTBL. Muse and Secret of the Stones along with Wild Turkey seem like they were created by the same clueless guy at NetEnt - Slow spins on turbo with useless animation ... If they were designed similarly to CFTBL speed wise, maybe I would have played them more.
The pure greed of their pay tables and payouts drive me insane on their new slots. I have never seen so many new slots released that pay absolute rubbish most of the time you play them. It's like they are designed to slaughter every 9/10 players and pay a decent hit to the 10th person. Slots probably are designed this way in any event; however the lack of play time and absence of any meaningful wins simply doesn't make sense. Maybe it makes sense to them because they are probably making more money on them then ever before.
Software providers only churn out more of what makes them tons of money and at the same time fools people into believing its a decent Slot - MG is a prime example with their 243 ways to lose.
I can tell you now that most of the newer slots from NetEnt are SPECIFICALLY against players who increment bet size. I am one of those players who often increases my bet with good and bad results. I can actually tell you that doing such for ANY player is really bad news on NetEnts new Slots. They have designed their slots with this in mind. It's suicidal at best to try and increment your bets. When you DO get the hit after very long losing sessions, it probably will only return a fraction of what it took or level you out. Some days you may be lucky to hit 100x plus to take you into a profit.
You could play Slots on $3 and get playtime on a $600 balance. NOW - $1 - $1.25 is taking a huge chance with NetEnt.
But as always, every one has different views. I haven't seen so many people complain about New Slots as I have in recent times with NetEnt. For those who want to have the experience ... good luck to you.
I honestly give up - Please don't show me anything thats Says NEW and has a NetEnt logo on it. As far as I'm concerned, its just another rip-off pay table to clean your balance.
Peace All.
Nate
)NetEnt are losing credibility in my eyes far more rapidly than they gained it. They have gone within a matter of months from a probable 8/10 to a 4/10 in MY eyes.
It's not about the design and their games - I rate them quite highly for innovation and thinking out the box. Their graphics are superb and game play has improved vastly on new slots like CFTBL. Muse and Secret of the Stones along with Wild Turkey seem like they were created by the same clueless guy at NetEnt - Slow spins on turbo with useless animation ... If they were designed similarly to CFTBL speed wise, maybe I would have played them more.
The pure greed of their pay tables and payouts drive me insane on their new slots. I have never seen so many new slots released that pay absolute rubbish most of the time you play them. It's like they are designed to slaughter every 9/10 players and pay a decent hit to the 10th person. Slots probably are designed this way in any event; however the lack of play time and absence of any meaningful wins simply doesn't make sense. Maybe it makes sense to them because they are probably making more money on them then ever before.
Software providers only churn out more of what makes them tons of money and at the same time fools people into believing its a decent Slot - MG is a prime example with their 243 ways to lose.
I can tell you now that most of the newer slots from NetEnt are SPECIFICALLY against players who increment bet size. I am one of those players who often increases my bet with good and bad results. I can actually tell you that doing such for ANY player is really bad news on NetEnts new Slots. They have designed their slots with this in mind. It's suicidal at best to try and increment your bets. When you DO get the hit after very long losing sessions, it probably will only return a fraction of what it took or level you out. Some days you may be lucky to hit 100x plus to take you into a profit.
You could play Slots on $3 and get playtime on a $600 balance. NOW - $1 - $1.25 is taking a huge chance with NetEnt.
But as always, every one has different views. I haven't seen so many people complain about New Slots as I have in recent times with NetEnt. For those who want to have the experience ... good luck to you.
I honestly give up - Please don't show me anything thats Says NEW and has a NetEnt logo on it. As far as I'm concerned, its just another rip-off pay table to clean your balance.
Peace All.
Nate
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My Lord I have now done 6k spins on this slot in freeplay, it is appalling!
I have hit the 32x level about once each 150 spins, but most wins are fractions of a credit over 3 reels, and even at 8 x barely make a 2x stake for ALL play since the sequence started. The 32x biggest win was 5 queens paying 64 x stake!!!! I was down from the beginning (except the FIRST spin which hit 32x and paid about 7 x stake..)
I am at circa 93.1% so far, and aside from the First spin have not been up on my 5k starting point! And I thought this was a good slot!
I have hit the 32x level about once each 150 spins, but most wins are fractions of a credit over 3 reels, and even at 8 x barely make a 2x stake for ALL play since the sequence started. The 32x biggest win was 5 queens paying 64 x stake!!!! I was down from the beginning (except the FIRST spin which hit 32x and paid about 7 x stake..)
I am at circa 93.1% so far, and aside from the First spin have not been up on my 5k starting point! And I thought this was a good slot!
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I took 50 spins on this new slot at betsafe last week then gave it a rest, was and is a CRAP, didnt play it again until today had 20 FS at Guts
won 1.60 and actually was up to 16x on my last spins with a win and a chance for a 32x win, when my Free spins ran out and it was reset to 1x ?
won 1.60 and actually was up to 16x on my last spins with a win and a chance for a 32x win, when my Free spins ran out and it was reset to 1x ?
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I seem to have been really lucky with these free spins. Won almost £30 from those 20 spins at guts.
And then tonight very astonished to win almost £65,82 ! could maybe had been lot more. Last 6 spins was pure 32x arghhhhh why did it stop hehe only because i reached last free spins. What could it not had ended with if it had carried on now with 32x ?????? but no tough shit last free spin played we will reset the multiplier for you thanks.
So it is a bit like this at same time
At LeoVegas by the way. So no matter what very happy of a return like this. Shame Free Spins are not wager free like guts and Thrills Casino but hope i can do some magc now
And then tonight very astonished to win almost £65,82 ! could maybe had been lot more. Last 6 spins was pure 32x arghhhhh why did it stop hehe only because i reached last free spins. What could it not had ended with if it had carried on now with 32x ?????? but no tough shit last free spin played we will reset the multiplier for you thanks.
So it is a bit like this at same time
At LeoVegas by the way. So no matter what very happy of a return like this. Shame Free Spins are not wager free like guts and Thrills Casino but hope i can do some magc now
Why would they do that? Very few people realize what's going on and some people even flat out refuse to see it when you show them. They aren't going back to the old model where the paytables allowed a lucky player to withdraw money from the casino.
Add Disco Spins and Thief to that list because it's clearly the same guy. And then you have the CFTBL/Fisticuffs/Silent Run guy...
I thought this was a good slot!
Why?
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Why? When I first played it it seemed a novel idea, devoid of NetBent's excruciating 'bonus' rounds. Having examined it in more detail, it is worse than Twit Spit, TFTUT and St*rb*rst put together. When the base reel wins are so appalling (which they would be given the potential 32x top tier) and yet you can't get 5-reelers on the BASE stake very often, you have little hope of attaining them on the 32x spin(s). And indeed, now having ran 11k spins, I still have yet to see in excess of 5 queens on a 32x spin. Only ONCE have I seen a 5-reel win consisting of planets and wilds, and that was on single stake. I'm sorry, but that gives me the impression that getting it on a 32x spin for the potential 'big hit' would be nigh on impossible, like Chopley's full screen of stars he couldn't get on St*rb*rst.
It seems to use the same pattern of pays/algorithm as the abominable Twit Spit - many dead spins followed by a 'combined' win, only this slot uses a staggered multiplier to award it as opposed to Twit Spit's stuck reels. There is a also a clear pattern of wins thus far, i.e. 50% of the time you will always get 2 consecutive wins if one appears, so getting the 2x multiplier or better. This is despite longish periods without a win, which suggests strongly that wins are 'linked' despite a credit disappearing each time you rise up the multiplier table - it's just too much of a coincidence otherwise.
Hopefully kktmd or someone else can run this slot as well to back up my findings.
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Id like to say one piece.... and probably my last on this Slot (before someone accuses me of a witch hunt
NetEnt are losing credibility in my eyes far more rapidly than they gained it. They have gone within a matter of months from a probable 8/10 to a 4/10 in MY eyes.
It's not about the design and their games - I rate them quite highly for innovation and thinking out the box. Their graphics are superb and game play has improved vastly on new slots like CFTBL. Muse and Secret of the Stones along with Wild Turkey seem like they were created by the same clueless guy at NetEnt - Slow spins on turbo with useless animation ... If they were designed similarly to CFTBL speed wise, maybe I would have played them more.
The pure greed of their pay tables and payouts drive me insane on their new slots. I have never seen so many new slots released that pay absolute rubbish most of the time you play them. It's like they are designed to slaughter every 9/10 players and pay a decent hit to the 10th person. Slots probably are designed this way in any event; however the lack of play time and absence of any meaningful wins simply doesn't make sense. Maybe it makes sense to them because they are probably making more money on them then ever before.
Software providers only churn out more of what makes them tons of money and at the same time fools people into believing its a decent Slot - MG is a prime example with their 243 ways to lose.
I can tell you now that most of the newer slots from NetEnt are SPECIFICALLY against players who increment bet size. I am one of those players who often increases my bet with good and bad results. I can actually tell you that doing such for ANY player is really bad news on NetEnts new Slots. They have designed their slots with this in mind. It's suicidal at best to try and increment your bets. When you DO get the hit after very long losing sessions, it probably will only return a fraction of what it took or level you out. Some days you may be lucky to hit 100x plus to take you into a profit.
You could play Slots on $3 and get playtime on a $600 balance. NOW - $1 - $1.25 is taking a huge chance with NetEnt.
But as always, every one has different views. I haven't seen so many people complain about New Slots as I have in recent times with NetEnt. For those who want to have the experience ... good luck to you.
I honestly give up - Please don't show me anything thats Says NEW and has a NetEnt logo on it. As far as I'm concerned, its just another rip-off pay table to clean your balance.
Peace All.
Nate
I agree that they're totally losing credibility with players and personally I try to play the older games.
I try out their new games but never get much out of them.
I think they're looking at it more on the business end than trying to balance player winnability and business wins, or atleast skew it without looking like you definitely rooting for one side.
They're now supplying games to the big gambling houses Paddy, 888, Will Hill, Ladbrokes and Bet365 in a little while, which translates into big money and increased credibility as a company.
We'll probably see exclusive slot releases only available to the big gambling houses in the future.
Also if the big houses are carrying you and have good things to say about the money your slots are making them, you'll get even more casinos ordering your games.
So I think they've gotten too big and need to make these new games to keep in good standing with the big dawgs of the industry.
That being said, lets see what the Wonky Wabbits slot coming in Feb will be like, maybe it'll take us back to the days of old.
big bang
this game eats more money than a drug habit and gives less highs seriously you can go through $50 on 25 cent bets and get nothing over 5 times in your entire play the whole spin to move up thing where you get less than your bet even if its times 4 just to move up. my first run on this was decent and every single run after totally hopeless i think this ones going in my do not play list for awhile....
this game eats more money than a drug habit and gives less highs seriously you can go through $50 on 25 cent bets and get nothing over 5 times in your entire play the whole spin to move up thing where you get less than your bet even if its times 4 just to move up. my first run on this was decent and every single run after totally hopeless i think this ones going in my do not play list for awhile....
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I've been giving this some thought. I think this slot just may have a super-high volatility, maybe too high.
One sign of this is that the highest Betting setting seems to be blocked at 4, rather than the 10 that it is usually at. The highest allowed bet (at least on Guts) is 50 Euro.
Comparing this to Twin Spin or the Creature of the Black Lagoon game, where the highest allowed bet is 125 and 100 Euro respectively, makes me think that the operator want to protect themselves from too high payouts.
Or maybe this is just standard for new games, but I haven't seen such a low max betting level on new games before.
One sign of this is that the highest Betting setting seems to be blocked at 4, rather than the 10 that it is usually at. The highest allowed bet (at least on Guts) is 50 Euro.
Comparing this to Twin Spin or the Creature of the Black Lagoon game, where the highest allowed bet is 125 and 100 Euro respectively, makes me think that the operator want to protect themselves from too high payouts.
Or maybe this is just standard for new games, but I haven't seen such a low max betting level on new games before.
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Max win is 2680x bet, not trivial but not stratospheric either - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/big-bang-netent-january.60082/
I've had a decent punt at this in freeplay now, and it's just another in the long line of Netent crap-o-thons that it's damn near impossible to win on. The mechanic of whereby you have to pay for each spin in the 'feature' as it were (the multiplier on subsequent spins) is a particularly nasty touch.
Occasionally you will climb up from your start balance with a decent 'streak' of 20-50x wins, and even more occasionally than that you'll hit 100x or better or even 200x or better, but generally speaking your balance is going to be on a downward trajectory right from the start and once you're more than 300x your stake down it's basically all over.
I also don't like the way Netent's reels work, I think they're well and truly gimped to give the illusion of things which are possible, but are blocked by the paytable.
If I had to place a bet on whether or not the full screen of BARS/STARS on Starburst even exists, I'd bet on it doesn't. 500x stake is a very small jackpot and the fact that AFAIK we haven't seen a single screeny of it here at CM says it all IMO.
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True, but that is on one single spin. When we see DoA 5000x bet wins on display, that's after full rounds of free spins, not on individual spins.
In this game, you can (in theory) keep winning on a 32x multiplier, and get some really high wins, on spin after spin. Not that it is likely, but possible. I think that is why the highest betting setting is as low as it is.
The higher the volatility of the game, the more careful casino owners need to be. I wonder if this, along with the reports of people going through massive amount of spins with no bigger wins, might not be indicative of a very volatile game.
Or, of course, it can just be shit. Maybe that's a fine line to tread.
If it is too volatile, it will feel like it eats your bank roll and laughs in your face most of the time.
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Only been playing it in fun mode so far, not sure if I want to play this game for real, as the dry spells are huge and extremely frustrating.
I get a bit of an Elements-feeling, as soon as it gets interesting ..dead spin.
But it sure has alot more potential for big wins.
Hit this in fun mode, 622x bet, and thats one of the cheapest planets..
Took about 1200 spins to hit this.
This was the only hit that paid over 100x bet.
I get a bit of an Elements-feeling, as soon as it gets interesting ..dead spin.
But it sure has alot more potential for big wins.
Hit this in fun mode, 622x bet, and thats one of the cheapest planets..
Took about 1200 spins to hit this.
This was the only hit that paid over 100x bet.
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Only been playing it in fun mode so far, not sure if I want to play this game for real, as the dry spells are huge and extremely frustrating.
I get a bit of an Elements-feeling, as soon as it gets interesting ..dead spin.
But it sure has alot more potential for big wins.
Hit this in fun mode, 622x bet, and thats one of the cheapest planets..
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Took about 1200 spins to hit this.
This was the only hit that paid over 100x bet.
I'm up to 23k spins now, and haven't even seen a win 1/3 of this size - that was exceptionally lucky. Mind you, I have produced a win on TFTUT in freeplay that nobody seems to have exceeded in real play (check winner screenshots).
On BB I would now need (give or take 25 Euros) a 2700-1 hit or 6 x 450-500x hits in then next 100 spins to BREAK EVEN.....I'm now doomed to a loss already, no chance (unlike DoA) of anything like a recovery.
SAME SH!T DIFFERENT NETBENT SLOT..................
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I think if you bring it down to brass tacks the problem with Netent's recent output is that you're taking the risk of playing a HV slot (bankroll decimation), without any of the potential reward (a properly big win or two to recover from a bad start).
You can smash them about in free play very quickly using Cheat Engine, and you'll see the same pattern time after time, most sessions will head off into negative territory sharpish, never to be recovered. (And the rareness of big wins means that you're almost never going to get that early 'big hit' that will see you wanting to make a withdrawal early in a session.)
Yes sometimes you will get a decent 'streak' to head off into positive territory or hold around your starting balance for a while, but the rareness of wins over 100x stake, let alone 200x stake or better, means you're only ever delaying the inevitable.
I appreciate that all slots will do this eventually, but Netent appear to have conjured up a particularly evil paytable profile to effectively ensure that the player will almost never get into a position where he can make a withdrawal.
I honestly see no reason at all to play them with real money.
You can smash them about in free play very quickly using Cheat Engine, and you'll see the same pattern time after time, most sessions will head off into negative territory sharpish, never to be recovered. (And the rareness of big wins means that you're almost never going to get that early 'big hit' that will see you wanting to make a withdrawal early in a session.)
Yes sometimes you will get a decent 'streak' to head off into positive territory or hold around your starting balance for a while, but the rareness of wins over 100x stake, let alone 200x stake or better, means you're only ever delaying the inevitable.
I appreciate that all slots will do this eventually, but Netent appear to have conjured up a particularly evil paytable profile to effectively ensure that the player will almost never get into a position where he can make a withdrawal.
I honestly see no reason at all to play them with real money.
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That's exactly why I am testing each new release with the Cheat Engine. I cannot believe, despite the evidence piling up in front of us/me, that this can be a consistent vein as regards NetBent slots and their paytables. I want to put it down to simple bad luck, an unnaturally long slope on the RTP curves. Unfortunately I cannot produce any runs which contradict that on any of their latter releases. Something has changed, they've discovered an algorithm/structure which curtails in most cases the chances of a quick profit and withdrawal, and this model is forming the basis for ALL slots they've released after a certain date.
I have to add that I have run a few k spins through Wild Rockets, Evolution and JaTB and have (in the case of the first two) made substantial profits.
I am now up to 30k spins on my BB experiment, and am going to stop as it's too much hard work logging the results. I don't have the facilities like kktmd to do this with a program. The reason is, DoA for example can be set-up to stop on bonus rounds, so it's simple to make a quick manual note of the spin number and result. On this BB bastard, I have to watch it constantly and tick a piece of paper with columns on it. Then I have to take into consideration that unlike TFTUT, the trigger of a win on 1x which then goes up to 2x 4x etc. takes a credit each time, which makes it a bloody nightmare! Even worse, I have had a seriously high proportion of spins getting up to 8x (thus taking FOUR stakes) which don't even pay a combined total of those four stakes/credits! A 'feature' which doesn't just give you ZERO sometimes but costs you money! This is a serious mess-up if you ask me.
I have actually made the 30k spins on the same 5k deposit at 1.25 euro stakes. I am down to 687.54 euros balance. Aside from the first spin, I have not exceeded the 5k starting balance. My largest win was 4 orange suns with wild on 16x, and a few more smaller ones after on 32x which yielded 307.25 x stake, assuming ONE credit. However, this 'series' paying 307.25 actually used NINE credits in total therefore technically only paid 34.2 x stake...............
Put it like this - if I joined a NetBent site and was given 100%SUB with a mere 10x WR, on ALL my experiments I'd have bust and lost. This is interesting IMO.
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Have you (or anyone else) gone through slots from all/most software providers, or is it only the Net Ent slots that work with this Cheat Engine?
It might be very telling to see these kinds of charts from different vendors, not only Net Ent slots. Are these statistics available somewhere public?
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Has anyone actually been able to finish wagering for a bonus only playing Netent? I know bonuses are not +EV but it feels almost impossible trying to complete one especially if you're only sticking with the new Netent releases. I've taken almost a dozen 100% or greater welcome bonus offers but have had barely any luck even clearing half of the required turnover. My most recent one I managed to only clear 40% of a 35x bonus just playing Big Bang and even got lucky with a 467x bet win below but unfortunately the slot took it back in it's usual pattern. Actually thought I was in for a 50/50 chance given the rarity of that win but alas, like all previous sessions it wasn't meant to be. I just wonder how lucky you have to be actually generate a decent profit playing these slots, let alone finish the wagering. Anyone?
Heres the screenie btw.
Heres the screenie btw.
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I managed to make a fair few cashouts from Redbet about 18 months ago (weekly sessions that were documented for my YouTube channel at the time), these were all 100% bonus matches, usually €200-250, on either 35xB or 40xB WRs.
The most recent slot I played on those bonuses IIRC was Wild Rockets, which was before they turned to shit (I think Elements was the first crap-fest but I've never played that for real money).
Generally speaking I'd have a variety of slots running, using Redbet's four-slot tiling system. There'd be a HV or two in there (Reel Steal, DoA, JATB), a more medium variance affair such as Wild Rockets or Evolution, and then a tamer slot or two, such as Beach or Bloodsuckers.
I made WR time after time, some sessions were a bust out, some were just money back, but I cashed out some tasty profits as well.
I wouldn't even think of trying it with Netent's newer slots.
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We've done (or mainly kktmd) several MG slots, such as IR, BDBA, TRFOL, TSII etc. At the moment about 50% of my assertions result from playing for real over the year past, and freeplay experimentation.
You can do MG quickfires, IIRC.
I mainly play NetEnt, but 90% of my sessions consist of DoA until big win or bust, and then depending on how much WR i have left, i will either stick it out on DoA or play Evolution or Silent Run, or for pure wagering BloodSuckers or Magic Portals.
When it comes to the newer releases i haven't had as much success, but i have had a few Good sessions on Creature from the Black Lagoon and Twinspin. I must admit i look at the newer games a bit differently after the testing done by the members here at CM. So i try not to overstay my welcome on them
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