Betfair Anyone ?

[Deeplay]

Hi just wondering anyone play's at betfair ? If so any reviews good bad other ? Just checking out the site it is a monster in its size. Done some searches and got mixed messages so to speak. Safe to play or not ? just wondering thanks

 

[Captain Chaos]

I think they are still in the rogue pit for a major cockup a few years ago relating to a promotion that went wrong.

 

[Deeplay]

I think they are still in the rogue pit for a major cockup a few years ago relating to a promotion that went wrong.

Oh really ? Think I actually remember something about that will have to check. Have not made a depo yet just looking over the site. If they are still in the pit will probably have to give them a miss. Shame as the site looks impressive with some very decent looking offers. But have not yet checked the T&s of these.

 

[Deeplay]

Mixed review on ThePogg who did blacklist them for the 2010 debacle of locking players accounts but have since removed them from that list as it was stated they are more responsive but still a low 3 out of 10 score.

 

[Jono777]

No Betafair experiences to speak of, I do hold an account with them, which I've never deposited on. Would not touch any casino that is rogue on here.

Read the report in full on here (what happened while back) so will always stick to accredited

 

[Deeplay]

Yeah and just reading elsewhere few people getting problems with cashouts with depos that had a bonus attached for using the "auto play" function on the slots. Apparently this was seen as a "robot" and not allowed by Betfair. Madness! I will give this one a miss unless others have a different pov.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yeah and just reading elsewhere few people getting problems with cashouts with depos that had a bonus attached for using the "auto play" function on the slots. Apparently this was seen as a "robot" and not allowed by Betfair. Madness! I will give this one a miss unless others have a different pov.

Nothing much seems to have changed then since the "Happy Hour" fiasco that got them into the pit. A software provided feature is NOT a "bot". If they don't want it used, then don't provide it, simple! Where slots are concerned, the autoplay does nothing more than "click spin". It does not fulfil the usual function of a bot which is to play the game flawlessly using perfect strategy over an extended period. Bots are a big problem in Poker, but also in casinos for games such as Blackjack where the player's choices AFTER placing his initial bet can affect the overall RTP of the game.

The original fiasco was down to them running a bonus that could be claimed as many times as a player wanted within an overnight 6 hour window. The structure of the bonus also made it +EV, so the result should have been obvious from the outset.

 

[Deeplay]

Nothing much seems to have changed then since the "Happy Hour" fiasco that got them into the pit. A software provided feature is NOT a "bot". If they don't want it used, then don't provide it, simple! Where slots are concerned, the autoplay does nothing more than "click spin". It does not fulfil the usual function of a bot which is to play the game flawlessly using perfect strategy over an extended period. Bots are a big problem in Poker, but also in casinos for games such as Blackjack where the player's choices AFTER placing his initial bet can affect the overall RTP of the game.

The original fiasco was down to them running a bonus that could be claimed as many times as a player wanted within an overnight 6 hour window. The structure of the bonus also made it +EV, so the result should have been obvious from the outset.

Yep agreed but its a shame as digging around the site it seems to have everything. But no good if your gonna get screwed over in the event of reaching cash out. Wonder if being licensed by the UKGC gives players any more protection. If the happy hour "fiasco" had happened now with them being licensed by the UKGC would that have made a difference I wonder! ??

 

[nutnut]

I use Betfair, very good site i use it for abit of casino play and mostly sports betting. Fast payouts.

 

[davdav5678]

Betfair are very good

from uk played despotised from PayPal you have to send id in live driving licences etc

withdraw very good a few hours cash was in my paypal account no problems' chat very good as well :notworthy

 

[KasinoKing]

What they did to their players was despicable - one of the worst things I've ever heard of a casino doing. (Apparently they even took money back from player's bank accounts after they had paid them out )
I will never promote them or even recommend anyone play there until they say sorry and put right what they did wrong.
It's not like they can't afford it.

KK

 

[Deeplay]

Was about to deposit to take up a 200% bonus - then I read the terms read below and weep!

You are NOT allowed to do any of the following ::::

Playing equal to or more than 500 consecutive hands/spins on any game and/or playing any game consistently for a period longer than two hours while a bonus is active.

EG – You set any game to run on auto spin for 500 spins while you have an active bonus in your account and/or you play for a period of two hours or more (irrelevant of how many sessions) while you have an active bonus.


No further comment needed really I pity the poor soul who does 501 spins to get the bonus on GOT or JP

 

[Jono777]

What kind of stupid t&c is that lol!

Reminds me of the dreaded 888 / Cassava group who slipped a similar term in without notifying players and confiscated over 500 of my 'hard earned' cash.

I'd take KK's and the Meisters advice on this one for sure!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yep agreed but its a shame as digging around the site it seems to have everything. But no good if your gonna get screwed over in the event of reaching cash out. Wonder if being licensed by the UKGC gives players any more protection. If the happy hour "fiasco" had happened now with them being licensed by the UKGC would that have made a difference I wonder! ??

It does. A UK player now has the benefit of UK law when it comes to resolving a dispute. In the event of another fiasco like the one before, the players could take Betfair to court in the UK, and would then have their case judged under UK contract law and the recent law that made gambling debts enforceable just like any other. UK consumer law does not allow predatory terms, and where terms are vague, the court will interpret them in favour of the consumer. Betfair did confiscate winnings through the sportsbook where players had transferred the money there from the casino. Since the sportsbook was licenced by the UKGC even back then, UK players who were not easily bullied did find that by going all the way to court, they got paid at the last minute in order to keep the case out of the courts. Betfair would have only done this because the advice from their legal team would have been to settle such cases quietly, rather than have a case lost in court "open the floodgates" to further claims. We STILL don't know whether in fact the court would have ruled in players' favour because Betfair was not prepared to take the risk that it would.

This does nothing for the non UK player though, and it would appear that terms are still being applied that are both predatory and rather vague.

The two hour term is vague, as it does not make clear what a player should do once their 2 hours is up but they haven't completed the WR on the bonus. We might infer that it just means a player can't simply log off and back on in order to carry on playing the same game, but it's vagueness would also allow for it to mean that a player could not continue to play at all after 2 hours, no matter how many sessions or different games were involved.

Maybe their players use autoplay to make sure they don't inadvertently break the 500 spin rule if a slot bonus round is playing hard to get, so by trying to ban it, they are trying to deprive players of one easy way to self monitor their compliance with the 500 bet limit per game.

The main difference now is that they have an arsenal of weird and wonderfully vague terms at their disposal to void a win, rather than having to invoke "spirit of the bonus" as they did in the earlier fiasco.

 

[Deeplay]

Yes VWM good points! And overall shows they should wallow in the dark pit for ever more unless they have a total overhaul of the terms n cons. For such a big player they probably do not care. But its insane slots are random. Auto play no auto play - 500 or 5000 spins makes no difference. The maths model of each slot will ensure the casino over time ALWAYS comes out on top. As for the UKGC it will be interesting if any real cases come before them now in regards to online casinos to see how they would react. But a player screwed out of a few 100 or even few thousand is not going to in the end go through the courts and would probably have to write of the loss and rogues like Betfair know this.

 

[Dexto]

I play sometimes at Betfair. They have a Good Support, good Promotions (No wagering on Freespins!) and a fast Cashout time, i never waited longer then 24h on my withdraw.

 

[Deeplay]

I play sometimes at Betfair. They have a Good Support, good Promotions (No wagering on Freespins!) and a fast Cashout time, i never waited longer then 24h on my withdraw.

Maybe so but what about the t&c on a bonus - many a clause and have you ever spun more than 500 in under 2 hours ? or is it max 2 hours .. god knows it is complex! But glad you enjoy the place though its not for me.

 

[mysino]

I play at betfair weekly but i have no interest in bonuses.
I mostly play there when i win a big sports bet and then go play there WMS slots.
I have had several 300x wins on montezuma recently and another nice win of chariots.
Cashout time to skrill takes exactly 12 hours for me which is slow compared to guts but still faster then some other places.

 

[Jasminebed]

Never in a million years for me.

Here is a link to the CM thread about the issue: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/betfair-bonus-fiasco.41102/?t=41102

Same management, same owners, same ethics.

I would never ever trust them to pay a large win.

 

[wobble33]

I play sometimes at Betfair. They have a Good Support, good Promotions (No wagering on Freespins!) and a fast Cashout time, i never waited longer then 24h on my withdraw.

you will be waiting more than 24 hous now, they have a reverse withdrawl feature on it now for 24 hours. and if its cashed out on a Friday. its in reverse withdrawl mode till Monday!

 

[Azzurri]

I haven't thought hard enough about it to come up with a way it could be policed, but I think CM should have a forum membership rule that states you can't be a member at CM if you are a customer at any rogue listed casino.

It may sound a bit harsh to some, but if we can't take a collective stance against these scumbags in mass numbers, then how can we expect to be sending them the message to change.

The fact they actually helped themselves to players bank accounts and withdrew funds is mind blowing to me on so many levels!

With all due respect, if you still have an account with these criminals after reading this thread, or those contained herein, not only do you need your heads checked, but you are also helping to discredit all the good work this site and forum stands for, and are doing your fellow members here a disservice by fighting the evil fight for the wrong team.

Close your accounts, and spend your dollars at one of the other numerous accredited sportsbet and casino establishments.

It's only a matter of time before you get fucked over by one of these ridiculous terms, and you can expect it will be hard to garner any sympathy or support here once it does.

Your all playing with fire, and I hope for all your sakes you don't get burnt.

Some of you are new here, so hopefully you'll take this advice.

 

[bigjohn]

I haven't thought hard enough about it to come up with a way it could be policed, but I think CM should have a forum membership rule that states you can't be a member at CM if you are a customer at any rogue listed casino.

It may sound a bit harsh to some, but if we can't take a collective stance against these scumbags in mass numbers, then how can we expect to be sending them the message to change.

The fact they actually helped themselves to players bank accounts and withdrew funds is mind blowing to me on so many levels!

With all due respect, if you still have an account with these criminals after reading this thread, or those contained herein, not only do you need your heads checked, but you are also helping to discredit all the good work this site and forum stands for, and are doing your fellow members here a disservice by fighting the evil fight for the wrong team.

Close your accounts, and spend your dollars at one of the other numerous accredited sportsbet and casino establishments.

It's only a matter of time before you get fucked over by one of these ridiculous terms, and you can expect it will be hard to garner any sympathy or support here once it does.

Your all playing with fire, and I hope for all your sakes you don't get burnt.

Some of you are new here, so hopefully you'll take this advice.

Yeah, that does sound a bit harsh.

On the other side of the coin there are many players who have sworn off some of the CM accredited casinos listed here because of some of the stunts they have pulled. This site should be a reference where one can gather opinions and benefit from others experiences. I think if all members who play at casinos that are rogued here were excluded the membership here would decrease substantially subtracting greatly from the knowledge base we now enjoy.

Play where you feel comfortable and appreciated.

 

[Azzurri]

Yeah, that does sound a bit harsh.

On the other side of the coin there are many players who have sworn off some of the CM accredited casinos listed here because of some of the stunts they have pulled. This site should be a reference where one can gather opinions and benefit from others experiences. I think if all members who play at casinos that are rogued here were excluded the membership here would decrease substantially subtracting greatly from the knowledge base we now enjoy.

Play where you feel comfortable and appreciated.

You make some fair points there BJ, but I have to disagree with the highlighted point above, as I think you'll find that most useful info that filters through here regarding rogue behavior, does infact come from new members who aren't familiar with CM, so didn't know any better.

Hence if they then renounce their membership at these rogue outfits to remain a member here, we still would have benefited from the original complaint that brought them here.

A baptism of fairness so to speak. Do you now swear to renounce all rogue evil from here on in, and devote your time here to spreading the good word of those sites worthy of customer praise.

 

[wobble33]

I haven't thought hard enough about it to come up with a way it could be policed, but I think CM should have a forum membership rule that states you can't be a member at CM if you are a customer at any rogue listed casino.

It may sound a bit harsh to some, but if we can't take a collective stance against these scumbags in mass numbers, then how can we expect to be sending them the message to change.

The fact they actually helped themselves to players bank accounts and withdrew funds is mind blowing to me on so many levels!

With all due respect, if you still have an account with these criminals after reading this thread, or those contained herein, not only do you need your heads checked, but you are also helping to discredit all the good work this site and forum stands for, and are doing your fellow members here a disservice by fighting the evil fight for the wrong team.

Close your accounts, and spend your dollars at one of the other numerous accredited sportsbet and casino establishments.

It's only a matter of time before you get fucked over by one of these ridiculous terms, and you can expect it will be hard to garner any sympathy or support here once it does.

Your all playing with fire, and I hope for all your sakes you don't get burnt.

Some of you are new here, so hopefully you'll take this advice.

I don't play the casino at all, I play the exchange because betfair is the only exchange that has decent liquidity. the others are rubbish, so that's the reason I left my account open..

 

[bigjohn]

You make some fair points there BJ, but I have to disagree with the highlighted point above, as I think you'll find that most useful info that filters through here regarding rogue behavior, does infact come from new members who aren't familiar with CM, so didn't know any better.

Hence if they then renounce their membership at these rogue outfits to remain a member here, we still would have benefited from the original complaint that brought them here.

A baptism of fairness so to speak. Do you now swear to renounce all rogue evil from here on in, and devote your time here to spreading the good word of those sites worthy of customer praise.

BJ?

Anyways, you're forgetting about their life experiences outside of on-line gambling which I also value and adds to the collective community.

 

[Przecinek]

They were also slow-paying some sports highroller. He deposited over 3 milion dollars into betfair (his own funds) and then couldn't get them back.

SBR covered that here:


Bottom line: they are way worse then they look.

 

[Azzurri]

BJ?

Anyways, you're forgetting about their life experiences outside of on-line gambling which I also value and adds to the collective community.

I'm not sure what this statement has to do with supporting rogue casinos, but I can clarify :

BJ = bigjohn

Sorry, but thought that was fairly obvious.

 

[michielm1]

i like betfair a lot. never any problems. 1st cash out was from free spins bonus no deposit... huge variety and separate parts of the casino, sportsbook arcade etc etc, all have their own bonusses. love them

and the exchange games are really money in the bank. less bad beats betting on poker than playing poker

 

[Finn]

I'm not sure what this statement has to do with supporting rogue casinos, but I can clarify :

BJ = bigjohn

Sorry, but thought that was fairly obvious.

Certain abbreviations are already strongly associated with some other things, and possibly should be avoided to avoid any confusion or offense.

Just like for example, fierceuma should not be abbreviated FU

 

[spintee]

I haven't thought hard enough about it to come up with a way it could be policed, but I think CM should have a forum membership rule that states you can't be a member at CM if you are a customer at any rogue listed casino.

It may sound a bit harsh to some, but if we can't take a collective stance against these scumbags in mass numbers, then how can we expect to be sending them the message to change.

The fact they actually helped themselves to players bank accounts and withdrew funds is mind blowing to me on so many levels!

With all due respect, if you still have an account with these criminals after reading this thread, or those contained herein, not only do you need your heads checked, but you are also helping to discredit all the good work this site and forum stands for, and are doing your fellow members here a disservice by fighting the evil fight for the wrong team.

Close your accounts, and spend your dollars at one of the other numerous accredited sportsbet and casino establishments.

It's only a matter of time before you get fucked over by one of these ridiculous terms, and you can expect it will be hard to garner any sympathy or support here once it does.

Your all playing with fire, and I hope for all your sakes you don't get burnt.

Some of you are new here, so hopefully you'll take this advice.

I think we have all been members at one time or the other at rouge pit, I certainly was, Not that I made any deposit ect but boy have I learned something since been on here, Cheers all,

They were also slow-paying some sports highroller. He deposited over 3 milion dollars into betfair (his own funds) and then couldn't get them back.

SBR covered that here:


Bottom line: they are way worse then they look.

Well any person to deposit that sort of cash must be a ******* Who in there right mind would think of deposit that much cash? even over so much time, It wasnt like depositing 1000 here and there, Thats some serious addiction, You could go buy a nice motor, and have a good crack at vegas for that sort of cash, I have not see the video so may get back I did not want to watch not when them sort moneys involved as makes me sick thinking of the cash thats not just been spent but somebody else is spending for youm

Did whach and there if its true there complete robbers, Blaming banking? It does make you laugjh as there such a big company do you think they have out sourced banking? No they will own it, There no going to close down but make excuse so they pay less than half the winnings on a agreement, & theres me worry over a few 100 quid lol, No worrys he will deposit back again just take it out the winnings from the few mill, My words canot describe how disgusting this brand is, BETFAIR More the betcsare

 

[Deeplay]

The said video is 3 years old and betfair still going strong it seems despite of slow pay / no pay issues. Seems there will always been people suckered into this kind of bullshiit. Amazing if they are still up to using such tactics how they can hope to get away with it now they are under the radar of the UKGC. One would think if they are enough complains that UKGC would be looking more closely at Betfair,s license and practices which I suspect are anything but fair. I wont be going back near the place.

 

[bigjohn]

I'm not sure what this statement has to do with supporting rogue casinos, but I can clarify :

BJ = bigjohn

Sorry, but thought that was fairly obvious.

All I'm saying is that people who play at rogue casinos can still add to conversations and provide valuable input on a wide range of topics.