Baptism by Fire - success Bet-at.eu - giving it a try

[Cleveland]

In my experience when you have to start going into complicated (yes that it is for the average reader, and yes I can follow) explanations and math examples for an otherwise simple problem, to explain your point then you are stretching.

Millions play at casinos on a regular basis and for years on end, yet I haven't seen all of these wrongfully accused players complaining? Why is that if it's so likely that random players will naturally be flagged while only during their normal play? With the volume of players playing at any given time at a casino I would think players would be having their accounts flagged left and right but as it would appear it seems that maybe just maybe....something more needs to be done to raise a red flag for the casino.

I would have thought the below would have been /thread in regards to the specific topic, but I guess not.

For those that want to know how things really work as opposed to some pre-conceived notion you have and favour then read and re-read the following:



Think about it, that can mean anything from organized multi-accounting to shared fake documents to ... you name it. The key elements there are (a) someone is working with someone else and (b) it is for "fraudulent purposes".

AFAIC if case satisfies those two requirements -- with a strong emphasis on (b) -- then fine, it's collusion. Call it cheating or scamming or playing silly buggers or whatever you like, the point is that it's some person or persons working toward "some wrongful or improper purpose" insofar as their casino activity is concerned.

Our primary effort in most PAB cases is to determine if that is in fact what happened. In other words did the player knowingly do something "wrongful or improper" generally for the purposes of prising money out of the casino and has the casino provided sufficient proof of said activity? If the answers are "yes" and "yes" then the hammer falls and the bugger is toast. If the answers are anything else -- "maybe" and "yes", or "yes" and "maybe", or "maybe" and "sometime soon", or whatever -- then too bad for the casino, they don't have a case and we'll almost certainly side for the player. There are minor variations on the theme but hopefully you get the idea: conspiracy to defraud + proof = bad news for the fraudster.

My point is this: speculating that we are so thick as to think that two blokes having a pint and then going to play some blackjack online is a conspiracy to cheat is a monumental misunderstanding of what we do and how we do it. In fact it's so BS that it can only be intentional. If you look at the record and what we do disclose about cases and the number of people that we work with and the number of cases we've handled over the years then you'd have to be taking the piss to suggest that we are so blind and stupid that we can't tell the difference between casual friends and dedicated fraudsters. Truth be told we let a good percentage of the latter walk because we don't have the data -- yet -- to make a proper case against them and make it stick.

If you've done your homework and you like what we do then great, hopefully we can help you someday too. If you haven't done your homework or you have and still have reason to doubt us then that's fine too, we'll be of no use to you and happy trails to all. But pulling some bogus scenario out of your arse and pretending it's documented fact -- or has any bearing on reality -- is just being a troll: may you get what's coming to you before your cheap shots cause any more mischief.

 

[Nifty29]

This whole debate is beginning to make me uneasy. It's raged on all day whilst I've been out and I'd be here all night typing to try to catch up to all of the points being made.

Nifty's assertion that people wishing to discuss further the fine points of collusion rules should be treated with suspicion, and users being reprimanded for daring to speak out against a casino rep are unsettling and add weight to my comments in the other thread about CM having a potential vested interest in siding with the operators.

I think it's becoming obvious that the distinction I drew between collusion and multi-accounting (which was shouted down at the time) is a matter of confusion for other members as well. People feel vulnerable with so much cash at stake in casinos, and vague "collusion" rules (which exist at many casinos, not just Bet-At) are feared and misunderstood. I don't understand why some of the heavy hitters on this forum are trying to deny a discussion about it and tar those who wish to discuss it as being worthy of suspicion.

Wow.

Twice in two posts you have mentioned that I "accused" you of something untoward....care to quote me on that? I made some general remarks, which you immediately took personally....talk about paranoid! Funny how nobody else took it that way. I think that old saying about giving someone enough rope is being proven to hold true once again.

Oh..and what are you doing here if you think Bryan et al are just here to rip people off? The remark you made above is quite frankly disgraceful and without any factual basis.

 

[Igor82]

Ah, apologies. I saw a value of 35xB WR quoted in one of the posts so I mistakenly took it at a face value.

And no, the deposit amount is not depleted in the EV calculation but the 33% is on top of that.



Ok I see what you mean. I just did that for the previous example of 100% 35xB bonuses.

For each 100% $100 bonus and $2 spins on Loaded the average amount wagered is 1800 (based on 100,000 simulated runs). The player will make the playthrough 25.8% of time (average wagered 3500) and busts 74.2% of time (average wagered 1209) for a total average of 1800 wagered. Dividing this by the bonus amount yields an effective WR of 18xB.

For a single 100% $1000 bonus and $20 spins on Loaded the average amount wagered is 18000. Dividing this by the bonus amount of 1000 yields effective WR of 18xB.

Thus the effective WR and total volume wagered is the same with 10x$100 and 1x$1000 so they are also equal in EV.

If a total bankroll of 2k busts out over 18000 wagered, your average game rtp is 88.88% - that can't be right.

@dun, I mixed up the figures but the case stays - with each bust total aggregate WR also decreases:

The only way to mitigate risk is to carry over remaining WR from each bust-out onto the rest of the group: aka if player 1 busts out after only wagering 1k, remaining 7k need to completed by the others to ensure the WR is the same value on 10 instances on 200 as it is on 1 instance of 2000.

 

[Igor82]

Ok I see what you mean. I just did that for the previous example of 100% 35xB bonuses.

For each 100% $100 bonus and $2 spins on Loaded the average amount wagered is 1800 (based on 100,000 simulated runs). The player will make the playthrough 25.8% of time (average wagered 3500) and busts 74.2% of time (average wagered 1209)

You shouldn't be averaging IMO but we're on the right track.

Based on your simulation it's safe to say that:

2.5 players out of 10 will meet the WR of 3500 from the deposit +bonus bankroll.
7.5 players out of 10 will bust out after completing 1209 WR on average.

So total generated volume that allows ANY bonus funds to clear on a colluding example is (2.5*3500)+(7.5*1209)=17,567 which is almost x18 WR

A single bonus of 1000 will DEMAND a WR of 3500 (x35) before ANY funds clear.

The cases aren't generating the same conditions based on your own simulations, aka colluders working together can change the conditions of the funds awarded to them, in effect changing the aggregate bonus EV: case 1 cashed 'something' out while case 2 didn't meet half the requirement for a cash out.

Out of curiosity, what was the average balance of players that cleared the WR at point of clearance?

 

[dionysus]

I'm so simple...I pick a slot, spin and pray - screw collusion or trying to figure out what is gonna get me the bestest biggestest win..I pick the games that are fun and hope lol

 

[Igor82]

I'm so simple...I pick a slot, spin and pray - screw collusion or trying to figure out what is gonna get me the bestest biggestest win..I pick the games that are fun and hope lol

Now I'm just having fun - I live for this kind of dialogue. I'm a terrible party addition

 

[dionysus]

lol, a bunch of us got together on the weekend for cards and drinking and Trivial Pusrsuit - I was just happy there was beer and I was old enough to beat the younguns, because in general smartiness I'd have been smoked

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well your maths are a bit out there - your player 1 has deposited 100, received 200 SUB so has a play roll of 300. He plays 24x25 spins and doesn't get one hit - that's pretty incredible considering that's 600 worth of goes for a stake of 300!!!!!

Second example - you state the busting out players have used 23,200 of WR - they have in fact used 22,200 of WR!

In fact this activity is so convoluted and obscure that I find it surprising it's so high up on your list of precautions. It's based on assumptive maths and tries to make consistencies from random slots games.

Most importantly your example fails to demonstrate mathematically the outcome for the benefit of the colluders. In your example, the 3 remaining players at 95% RTP would clear WR at approximately these figures: (based on your figures for player 8,9,10.)

960.555.2145. Total 3660. So 2660 profit on their aggregate deposits in cash of 1k. The only thing is these 3 players have had exceptional runs to get your figures, and as we know and accept slots pay in peaks and troughs. ONLY PLAYER 10 CAN BE GUARANTEED to not bust out and achieve anywhere near the figures I just made from yours.

And the final massive flaw is that your model seems to assume the slot plays as if ONE player was playing it thus the first players were on troughs and therefore the last few players MUST hit peaks in the undulations around the 95% TRTP flatline.

Igor, you are in the business and I accept you know about what occurs more than we ever will. But frankly it's being projected in a way that just looks like a Swiss cheese.

The more players there are playing a specific tactic, the closer the slot gets to meeting it's TRTP. This argument looks pretty flawed when you consider a group of 10, but what about groups totalling 100, 1000, or even the majority of the total player base of the casino?

Even without collusion, some tactics that have been promoted on certain affiliate sites have caused casinos to yank promos half way through because so many players have spotted the tactic and are using it.

Colluders don't just hit Igor's casino, they go around the lot looking for offers that might be vulnerable. The group may fail, but they will just move on and try again elsewhere, or even again at Igor's casino with a fresh batch of IDs or members.

If you think of it as a collective investment scheme rather than playing a slot, the yield far outstrips anything the banks can offer, and if done right, the risk to capital can be lower than many of the high yield financial products, and of course here in the UK, the yield from a gambling syndicate would be tax free. The motive is certainly there, and the maths as applied to a collective scheme produces a high yield at a relatively modest risk to capital.

The problem with the mathematics of probability is that the results often defy perceived logic, in this case the logic that any -EV bonus remains -EV no matter how it is played in the same way that no amount of modification can produce a Martingale system without the small risk of a catastrophic loss of everything that gives the casino it's natural house edge all in one go at some point during the progression.

 

[The Dude]

... users being reprimanded for daring to speak out against a casino rep are unsettling and add weight to my comments in the other thread about CM having a potential vested interest in siding with the operators...

Oh <yawn> freaking <yawn>. Now you're being a jerk. One thing I hate are newbie members who toss around accusations about me "siding with operators" and are too damn lazy to do a bit of research about when I've removed casinos from the site - or rogued operations who were once "partners". There are scores of casinos that have felt the bite of roguedom - and believe me, it's not fun and games and it's not something I take lightly either.

Do yourself a favor and research the archives or the "Fall From Grace" awards in the Awards section - and no I'm not going to hold your hand and show you the way. Do it yourself.

You were given an infraction for "Creating a negative vibe" (worth five points) - and yes you were creating a negative vibe. We are here to discuss whatever matter is at hand with mutual respect - not make jokes at others expense.

And an FYI: When you first posted your complaint, I took the information I had from your account and did about 10 minutes of research to ascertain that you probably have a flatmate and presented this to the casino - which may have convinced them to give you the benefit of the doubt. Some thanks from you, eh?

 

[AC7X]

Oh <yawn> freaking <yawn>. Now you're being a jerk. One thing I hate are newbie members who toss around accusations about me "siding with operators" and are too damn lazy to do a bit of research about when I've removed casinos from the site - or rogued operations who were once "partners". There are scores of casinos that have felt the bite of roguedom - and believe me, it's not fun and games and it's not something I take lightly either.

I'm well aware that in the face of overwhelming evidence of rogue behaviour CM is quick to distance itself from untrustworthy or non responsive operators.

You were given an infraction for "Creating a negative vibe" (worth five points) - and yes you were creating a negative vibe. We are here to discuss whatever matter is at hand with mutual respect - not make jokes at others expense.

I don't believe I've made any joke at anyone's expense? The "you would say that wouldn't you" comment was self-deprecating humour if anything; I was mocking myself and the legions of conspiracy theorists that take nothing as what it seems.

And an FYI: When you first posted your complaint, I took the information I had from your account and did about 10 minutes of research to ascertain that you probably have a flatmate and presented this to the casino - which may have convinced them to give you the benefit of the doubt. Some thanks from you, eh?

Well, I'm grateful for that (and didn't know that until now). It didn't really benefit me, but my flatmate did receive his withdrawal today so I can report back that this dispute has been resolved to his satisfaction.

 

[Jonsik]

Igor, just wanted to make my first depoasit at your casino - but read terms of welcome slots bonus - 60 times within 7 days - pretty steep-never saw requirements like that - are the games so loose at Bet-at eu? or am I missing smth?

 

[Igor82]

Hi jon,

It's true they are steep, it's because we do not lock your deposit in so we have to be a little bit reserved.

If you deposit and win you can withdraw right away and while you play with real funds you will also be turning the bonus

Igor

 

[Jonsik]

Hi jon,

It's true they are steep, it's because we do not lock your deposit in so we have to be a little bit reserved.

If you deposit and win you can withdraw right away and while you play with real funds you will also be turning the bonus

Igor

sorry for newbie question - so if I deposit 100- get 100 bonus - so i get 200 to play- then playing make it to 250- and then I can forfeit the bonus and withdraw 150 right away?

 

[Igor82]

sorry for newbie question - so if I deposit 100- get 100 bonus - so i get 200 to play- then playing make it to 250- and then I can forfeit the bonus and withdraw 150 right away?

Exactly, as long as your bets aren't made from the bonus balance you have no restrictions in terms of your winnings.

 

[adam1976]

igor

Exactly, as long as your beta aren't made from the bonus balance you have no restrictions in terms of your winnings.

igor are u believe everything what u write??

 

[Igor82]

Ah yes - rules

Of course, do read the terms and conditions please. It's very important that you do that.

Bonuses get rapidly lighter and easier as you stay - it's the initial SUBs that are steeper and more rigidly conditioned due to easy withdrawal system.

Igor

 

[Jonsik]

Exactly, as long as your bets aren't made from the bonus balance you have no restrictions in terms of your winnings.

and if I go down from my 100+100 bonus balance - to let's say 70 - it's only bonus balance now - then I win 50 - it makes 120 - will it be 20 real bonus and 100 bonus- and from now on all my wins will be accredited to real money? and I can withdraw further winnings? everything over 100 bonus money?

 

[aceking123]

and if I go down from my 100+100 bonus balance - to let's say 70 - it's only bonus balance now - then I win 50 - it makes 120 - will it be 20 real bonus and 100 bonus- and from now on all my wins will be accredited to real money? and I can withdraw further winnings? everything over 100 bonus money?

nope once your funds move into using bonus funds thats where it stays until youve either busted out or completed the wagering requirement

 

[sparkz]

In a way it's a better way of getting a bonus... it's like having a guaranteed free chip.

You play with your balance before bonus funds are used, if you get lucky and can win, then you can cashout.

If you lose your funds and only have the bonus funds remaining, then the WR comes into play before cashing out.

It's better than having deposit + bonus locked from the start as a lot of us have had a nice win right away but lost it all due to having to meet WR

 

[Jonsik]

In a way it's a better way of getting a bonus... it's like having a guaranteed free chip.

You play with your balance before bonus funds are used, if you get lucky and can win, then you can cashout.

If you lose your funds and only have the bonus funds remaining, then the WR comes into play before cashing out.

It's better than having deposit + bonus locked from the start as a lot of us have had a nice win right away but lost it all due to having to meet WR

yes indeed - eventually deposited- got 100 bonus - won a bit and forfeited
gives you some confidence to make higher stakes and freedom to withdraw at any point
paased verification- now waiting for money to come home- wonder how long will it take...
so far looks good

 

[sparkz]

Jonsik - you wont be waiting long mate. Chances are your money has already been processed?

Which is their only fault.... Allowing players to see transactions without having to dload excel (or the .cvs file it generates).However, I know they processes withdrawals a few times a day and 1 of those times is 11am, on the dot... If verification is complete, it will easily be processed in hours

I get the feeling they will soon pass BOF and be in accredited, so you have nothing to worry about

 

[Igor82]

yes indeed - eventually deposited- got 100 bonus - won a bit and forfeited
gives you some confidence to make higher stakes and freedom to withdraw at any point
paased verification- now waiting for money to come home- wonder how long will it take...
so far looks good

Hi Jons,

Just following up on a few things. All went ok, do i need to ping my team on anything?

Igor

 

[lotusch]

Gonna give bet-at a good spin tonight as promised...
Haven't had the time yet,also because I had outstanding funds at other casino's which are slowly dropping in now...

Hope the reels are hot tonight Igor!

 

[Jonsik]

Hi Jons,

Just following up on a few things. All went ok, do i need to ping my team on anything?

Igor

The money came really fast - good service indeed! Though I lost some already but it's only natural) just wonder- found a lot new and old Microgaming games but not Girls'n'guns - or I shall search better?

 

[sparkz]

The money came really fast - good service indeed! Though I lost some already but it's only natural) just wonder- found a lot new and old Microgaming games but not Girls'n'guns - or I shall search better?

G and G isnt there...

If you ask Igor he will probably be able to get it for us.

Imo, I didnt like it too much when I played it, its ok... but annoying on bonus rounds when you have a reel with wilds already and it changes that reel to wild at the end of the spin

 

[lotusch]

Right,played a good session tonight mostly IR as it is by far my favourite 243 ways slot.
Deposited €75.00 and within 10 minutes I was at nearly €300.00 with a very nice win on a €0.60 bet.
Got the 4 wilds and 4 Sarahs on first four reels paying something like €190.00.
I was happy but also annoyed as I was wondering how much the pay would have been if the wild and Sarah would have turned up on reel 5 which is possible.
I think that would have been a huge pay.

Nevertheless I played on for a good while and had a good session.
As in any casino my first withdrawal is to see how quick they are with payouts and stuff.

As I sent in my verification papers last Friday I opened a chat with Daniel and he was very nice and helpfull.
He told me my account was actually verified and my winnings would be paid a.s.a.p. into my Skrill account.

Cashed only €150.00 but still a €75.00 profit,could have been €200.00+ but IR took a good bit back.

But just to let Igor know,games ran flawless for me and Daniel was a gent!

100% positive about this casino sofar!
Will defo be on my favourites list and I defo will return there to play!

And can someone tell me how much I would have won if that 5th reel would have hit the wild and Sarah?
Do I want to know?

Mark.

 

[Igor82]

G and G isnt there...

If you ask Igor he will probably be able to get it for us.

Imo, I didnt like it too much when I played it, its ok... but annoying on bonus rounds when you have a reel with wilds already and it changes that reel to wild at the end of the spin

Frankly, i have no clue why we missed it. I'm pretty certain it's a techie overlook. I'll put it on-line tomorrow.

Right,played a good session tonight mostly IR as it is by far my favourite 243 ways slot.
Deposited €75.00 and within 10 minutes I was at nearly €300.00 with a very nice win on a €0.60 bet.
Got the 4 wilds and 4 Sarahs on first four reels paying something like €190.00.
I was happy but also annoyed as I was wondering how much the pay would have been if the wild and Sarah would have turned up on reel 5 which is possible.
I think that would have been a huge pay.

Nevertheless I played on for a good while and had a good session.
As in any casino my first withdrawal is to see how quick they are with payouts and stuff.

As I sent in my verification papers last Friday I opened a chat with Daniel and he was very nice and helpfull.
He told me my account was actually verified and my winnings would be paid a.s.a.p. into my Skrill account.

Cashed only €150.00 but still a €75.00 profit,could have been €200.00+ but IR took a good bit back.

But just to let Igor know,games ran flawless for me and Daniel was a gent!

100% positive about this casino sofar!
Will defo be on my favourites list and I defo will return there to play!

And can someone tell me how much I would have won if that 5th reel would have hit the wild and Sarah?
Do I want to know?

Mark.

Really happy you had a nice session! Let me know how it all goes with W/D etc.

 

[lotusch]

Money already in my Skrill account,less then 2 hours and that was my 1st withdrawal..
Thanks for a speedy process of my withdrawal..

Defo will be back soon as there is a few slots like Burning Desire that I really like too!

Mark.

 

[lotusch]

Another good session...

I had a nice session last night and played mostly TSII,man what a tough slot to crack
Especially the free spins were very tight and sometimes there was gaps of 500-600 spins between them but on average it still wasn't too bad.
Took a while for the slot to warm up but after 3,5 hours session or so and like 2500+ spins done I nearly completed the whole paytable achievements and my patience was paid off with a nice win on x5 multiplier free spins.
Kept playing the 10 spins x5 bonus as I was betting quite high for my normal average with bets up to €4.80 a spin.
Finally deposited around 450 Euro but paid out 700 last night with still nearly 200 in the account to play with.

Didn't make a screenshot of my 850 Euro hit as it was like 1am in the night and I was just tired.

But I had great fun,TSII kept me entertained and the game ran smooth as pie. ^^

So +1 again here and chuffed with alot of paytable achievements unlocked.

Requested payout to Skrill,not paid in my account yet as of 8.14am so hope will receive funds soon as my account is verified!


Mark.

 

[Igor82]

Amazing read! Cash out on the achievements

Well done!!

 

[lotusch]

Amazing read! Cash out on the achievements

Well done!!

Yeah but the hardest ones I still have to get Igor...
And I still have over €180.00 to play with,so will have another hopefully good session tonight...
Want that full paytable cleared hehehehe...

And the money was in my Skrill account this morning,thanks a mil for another superfast payout!

Keep up the good work Igor & team...

I am impressed sofar!


Mark.

 

[lotusch]

Took me 2288 spins to be exact to get this far:
Managed also to end session with a nice profit of around €450.00 ...
ONLY 5 more to go to get full paytable achievement,but 5 of the hardest ones to get... ^^

 

[homerbert]

Took me 2288 spins to be exact to get this far:
Managed also to end session with a nice profit of around €450.00 ...
ONLY 5 more to go to get full paytable achievement,but 5 of the hardest ones to get... ^^

as i understand, to get payment for paytable achievement(all paytable, for bronze 1k$ reward) you need to make 776.000 spins or so. So, you dont 5 to go, you lot of spins to go
as i told

CHIEVEMENT PAYOUTS:

In order to receive an achievement payout from the casino, you must complete the following criteria:

Gold status for a set must be achieved, meaning you must unlock the 3, 4 and 5 sets of a particular symbol. A minimum number of spins using real funds must be played for each achievement per game, as can be seen in the table below:

Low Symbol set (300 Spins)
High Symbol set (1,200 Spins)
Hall of Spins set (3,200 Spins)
Special Symbol Set (765,000 Spins)
Payable Gold (765,000 Spins)

 

[Igor82]

Did you copy that from our site?? My team shouldn't have exposed that lol!

Achievements are not spins locked - as long as they are gold, you're good! You can see your awarded balance in the page.

 

[lotusch]

Did you copy that from our site?? My team shouldn't have exposed that lol!

Achievements are not spins locked - as long as they are gold, you're good! You can see your awarded balance in the page.

Hahahahaha that made me laugh,imagining Igor banging his head against his monitor reading about those exposed/leaked numbers... ^^
Well seeing the amount of expected spins needed,I still hae a wee while to go ROFL...

Nevertheless it is a fun challenge and unique in its kind...
Need to get a good spin on IR also... ^^

Already earned €10.50 in rewards YAY

 

[homerbert]

Did you copy that from our site?? My team shouldn't have exposed that lol!

Achievements are not spins locked - as long as they are gold, you're good! You can see your awarded balance in the page.

yes, this is from your site Igor...
i login - click my achievements - then click Read how to improve tiers here.
and come this:

Every time you receive a set of 3, 4 or 5 of the same symbol, the achievement bar of that particular symbol will be marked by a golden tint, signifying that you have completed the relevant achievement. Once you complete the full set (of 3, 4 and 5 same symbols), you will then have completed the set and would have acquired the achievement for which you will be rewarded financially by the casino.

THE ACHIEVEMENTS POSSIBLE ARE AS FOLLOWS:

Low Symbol Set (Achievements which hold a 9 or 10).
High Symbol Set (Achievements that hold a Jack, Queen, King and Ace).
Hall of Spins Set (Achieved by attaining a certain number of free spins).
Special Symbol Set (Completing sets of special symbols relative to the game will unlock this achievement).
Payable Gold (The most rewarding achievement attained by completing all the other achievements).

ACHIEVEMENT PAYOUTS:

In order to receive an achievement payout from the casino, you must complete the following criteria:

Gold status for a set must be achieved, meaning you must unlock the 3, 4 and 5 sets of a particular symbol. A minimum number of spins using real funds must be played for each achievement per game, as can be seen in the table below:

Low Symbol set (300 Spins)
High Symbol set (1,200 Spins)
Hall of Spins set (3,200 Spins)
Special Symbol Set (765,000 Spins)
Payable Gold (765,000 Spins)

Once the two requirements are met, financial remuneration will be provided by the casino for the relevant achievement which you have unlocked!

BET SIZE REQUIREMENTS:

Lower Bet Tier: ($0.30 - $2.99)
Default Bet Tier: ($3.00 - $14.99)
Maximum Bet Tier: ($15.00+)

Achievement rewards are based on average real funds bet value and are explained below. The system will automatically calculate your average real money using the following method.

Let’s say that you have wagered $10,000 in real funds and another $5000 in bonus funds on Thunderstruck II across 4,000 rounds in total. The following formula would be used to calculate your achievement winnings:

Average Bet = 10,000 wagered real funds / 4,000 rounds

Therefore, average real funds bet value is $0.25

Continuing on the example, let us consider that you have unlocked a Low Set, High Set and Hall of Spins achievement.

AS SUCH WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING:

Low Symbol Set: 40c per spin awards Tier 1 reward of $1, with the 300 spins requirement reached due to 2,500 spins completed.

High Symbol set: 40c per spin awards Tier 1 reward of $5, with minimum requirement of 1,300 spins met due to 2,500 being completed.

Hall of Spins set: 40c per spin awards Tier 1 reward of $12, however another 500 spins need to be completed in order to achieve this requirement, as the minimum 3,000 real money rounds have not yet been completed.

Taking into consideration the above, you would have received a further $6 as free funds from the casino for the achievements completed, with another $12 pending in order to be awarded upon completing the further 500 rounds with real funds for the Hall of Spins achievement, assuming you do not change your bet value.

can you clarify this please? I decide not to try done this achievements due to this 765.000, but you talking there not need to made so much spins...

 

[lotusch]

Well I have unlocked worth €10.50 in achievments and I can claim that money so I reckon those 700k spins don't apply sofar for me..

 

[homerbert]

Well I have unlocked worth €10.50 in achievments and I can claim that money so I reckon those 700k spins don't apply sofar for me..

fu** sh** wtf, why i made deposits in other mg casinos to play same IR and TS2, if i can play at bet-at.eu and have a chance to earn 1k just for all achievements at 0.30 spins...
Igor please change to not mislead, i am sure i am not only one who so dumb
and yes, amazing promo.

 

[Igor82]

Achievments

My marketing team used my internal brief toward expectancy calculations on which i based my rewards and tiers - and published them on the site.

No, the spins count does NOT condition whether the achievement is awarded or not - by achieving it in-game, you iwl be rewarded in the site - only the value of how much you will be awarded changes with your average achievement bet value.

I will update the page ASAP. We're launching the site in 4 new languages tomorrow or day after and a re-brand to www.betatcasino.com so i will make sure to include it in the content.

I apologise for the text that is misleading and made you believe you will not be awarded the prize UNLESS you spin so many spins. Again to make it clear - winning it in-game means you will be awarded the reward by next morning.

Igor

 

[lotusch]

Your casino is very nice to me this week Igor...
Another nice cashout tonight,dropped some screenies in screenshot section...
Where can I post them for the Winagram competition?

Also a big awesome thanks for the superfast payouts everytime I ask for a withdrawal!

You defo won a new regular at your casino!
Keep up the good work.

Mark.

 

[Constantine]

Winagram

Your casino is very nice to me this week Igor...
Another nice cashout tonight,dropped some screenies in screenshot section...
Where can I post them for the Winagram competition?

Also a big awesome thanks for the superfast payouts everytime I ask for a withdrawal!

You defo won a new regular at your casino!
Keep up the good work.

Mark.

Hi lotusch,

You can find information on where to post your winning screenshot for the Winagram promotion Old / Expired Link

Non-members of BETAT can also post winning screenshots Old / Expired Link for the chance of receiving a prize!

Kind Regards
Constantine

 

[lotusch]

Thanks!
And is Igor ok?

Did he go on holidays?

 

[Constantine]

Thanks!
And is Igor ok?

Did he go on holidays?

You Welcome

Igor is fine. Currently on a business trip. No time for holidays!

Looking forward to your Winagram screenshots!

 

[Igor82]

Smart phones are a thing of wonder though

Just as future reference, there are 3 of us here: Karl, casino manager - Costantine, affiliate manager and me.

Will update with profile links so if at any point you can't reach one of us, another will answer.

Igor

 

[sparkz]

TY Igor and guys at Bet-at, $50 found in my account yesterday (Guessing thats from winagram) .

It wasnt my lucky day though :/ but had a lot of fun with it.

Had a quickie last night with $20, no luck, but today had a longer quickie and cashed out $40 profit. Awesome stuff!!!

 

[Constantine]

TY Igor and guys at Bet-at, $50 found in my account yesterday (Guessing thats from winagram) .

It wasnt my lucky day though :/ but had a lot of fun with it.

Had a quickie last night with $20, no luck, but today had a longer quickie and cashed out $40 profit. Awesome stuff!!!

Hi sparkz,

Congratulations on your win!

I can confirm that the $50 was for your Winagram screenshot. I'm glad you had fun with it

Don't forget to continue taking screenshots of your Big Wins!

Kind Regards

 

[Jasminebed]

I too received a Winagram prize, second place for $150. Didn't meet WR, but had some fun.

Looking forward to August.

 

[pianoman]

Got your pm reply Igor

Don't panic - no rush here, I can wait until your return or whatever.
Well past bedtime here...
Appreciate your concern. Thanks again as always.
Talk soon.

 

[lotusch]

You Welcome

Igor is fine. Currently on a business trip. No time for holidays!

Looking forward to your Winagram screenshots!

Ugh forgot to capture the time on the screenshots...
I know they were all 3 from last night...
So will copy time/datestamp next time in the screenies...

 

[lotusch]

Is there an issue with payouts?
Requested a Skrill withdrawal last night and every other withdrawal was processed within a couple of hours.
This one still not has arrived and that is weird as they are normally fast with payouts.
Spoke to a guy on chat this afternoon and he told me there were a few minor issues ongoing but that I should have my funds in a few hours.
Still nothing received.