Banned From All Caddell Casinos

[Jono777]

Had a e-mail today (from four different Caddell casinos) saying that there will no longer be any welcome bonuses for new depositing players. Not sure if this is just for affiliate offerings or everyone

Which ones Nicola? I mainly promote the fullcream ones and my manager hasn't said anything. I've spoke to him about this a few times in the last week. G'day are scrapping the no deposit free spins but bonuses are staying. Same with Slot Planet, all no deposit offers are being removed in a couple of weeks, but deposit based ones are still there.

There is no way on this planet they will scrap Welcome bonuses altogether.

Given the huge and continually increasing competition out there these days there has to be some incentive to sell their product and make it stand out from the crowd.

I'd defo err on the side that its no deposit sign up stuff that's going, the deposit based bonuses, whether 'one off's' (Fruity Casa, Play Grand etc) or 3 tier (Casimba, Dream Jackpot etc) will be staying for sure. These are protected by the huge WR associated so little sense in removing them and struggling for new sign up's.

 

[Jd666]

There is no way on this planet they will scrap Welcome bonuses altogether.

Given the huge and continually increasing competition out there these days there has to be some incentive to sell their product and make it stand out from the crowd.

I'd defo err on the side that its no deposit sign up stuff that's going, the deposit based bonuses, whether 'one off's' (Fruity Casa, Play Grand etc) or 3 tier (Casimba, Dream Jackpot etc) will be staying for sure. These are protected by the huge WR associated so little sense in removing them and struggling for new sign up's.

They do usually put a maximum cashout on the no deposit sign up free spins.
And you usually have to deposit on most of them if not all to clear the WR from said spins as the bonus balance just increases (or decreases) until you deposit.
So your deposit is then tied into the spins even of you refuse the 1st deposit bonus.

I think at the moment, the Caddell sites are the most generous at giving freebies away at the moment, this may be hurting them.
It hurt me when I got up to £400 on Miami Dice after clearing WR and they only let me have £100 lol, still it was a freebie

 

[Harry_BKK]

I think, in light of the new UK and ASA regulations we will see a lot of UK facing SUB's disappear.

BGO recently replaced their 200% Welcome Offer with "1 Fair Spin for every GBP1 deposited, up to 50 Fair Spins". Fair Spins are FS with no wagering.

Makes it a lot easier for the casinos as they do not have to put up tons of "T&C's", warnings etc. as the UKGC and ASA are requesting now. Plus, a lot less grieve from fraudsters. What can a player gain from 50 FS on Starburst, even if they are wager free?

Hence, in my view, there will be quite a shake-up in the weeks/months to come.

 

[Dinahnana]

I think, in light of the new UK and ASA regulations we will see a lot of UK facing SUB's disappear.

BGO recently replaced their 200% Welcome Offer with "1 Fair Spin for every GBP1 deposited, up to 50 Fair Spins". Fair Spins are FS with no wagering.

Makes it a lot easier for the casinos as they do not have to put up tons of "T&C's", warnings etc. as the UKGC and ASA are requesting now. Plus, a lot less grieve from fraudsters. What can a player gain from 50 FS on Starburst, even if they are wager free?

Hence, in my view, there will be quite a shake-up in the weeks/months to come.

I know the regulations are changing, however Cadell casinos have built their business model around sign up bonuses. If they change that to fair spins then they might lose a whole lot of business. Why play at their casinos and wait a few extra days for payment if you can go elsewhere get a similar deal but be paid really fast if you are lucky? I agree with Jonjo there is no way the welcome bonus will be scrapped. They will just make the t&c's easier to follow which will make a change. As long as the wording in the terms and conditions of bonuses are clear and concise (using the correct terms) then the UKCG and ASA should be satisfied.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I know the regulations are changing, however Cadell casinos have built their business model around sign up bonuses. If they change that to fair spins then they might lose a whole lot of business. Why play at their casinos and wait a few extra days for payment if you can go elsewhere get a similar deal but be paid really fast if you are lucky? I agree with Jonjo there is no way the welcome bonus will be scrapped. They will just make the t&c's easier to follow which will make a change. As long as the wording in the terms and conditions of bonuses are clear and concise (using the correct terms) then the UKCG and ASA should be satisfied.

It is indeed their business model, and it must be still profitable although the largest part of fraud is happening in the UK. That is part of why the T&C's have become such a myriad of paragraphs.

However, business models evolve, and the level of fraud might just become unsustainable at some point. Secondly, at how many 100's of skins does an operator stop since you need to throw all the time new ones onto the market to get your SUB's to the gambling folks.

Put the increasingly restrictive regulations on top, and it might just tilt the operators to change.

 

[Dinahnana]

It is indeed their business model, and it must be still profitable although the largest part of fraud is happening in the UK. That is part of why the T&C's have become such a myriad of paragraphs.

However, business models evolve, and the level of fraud might just become unsustainable at some point. Secondly, at how many 100's of skins does an operator stop since you need to throw all the time new ones onto the market to get your SUB's to the gambling folks.

Put the increasingly restrictive regulations on top, and it might just tilt the operators to change.

As a Cadell player I can tell you that their business model works very well judging by my last 3 or 4 deposits Not sure about the fraud part as you have to provide the usual KYC documents to every of their casinos that you withdraw at so fraud would be spotted I should think.

Also the UKCG and ASA only cover the UK so there are plenty of players in other countries. So unless Malta puts similar restrictions on the casinos in place I think their business model will survive in Europe anyway.

I would be very interested to see if Malta follows suit and puts similar restrictions in place. Some of the UKCG's new policies are good and protect players. Just please Malta no taking away quickspin on slots and autoplay

 

[brianmon]

It is indeed their business model, and it must be still profitable although the largest part of fraud is happening in the UK. That is part of why the T&C's have become such a myriad of paragraphs.

However, business models evolve, and the level of fraud might just become unsustainable at some point. Secondly, at how many 100's of skins does an operator stop since you need to throw all the time new ones onto the market to get your SUB's to the gambling folks.

Put the increasingly restrictive regulations on top, and it might just tilt the operators to change.

It's not so much that it's happening IN the UK, by UK residents. But more likely the fraudsters are using UK identities.

The UK has the highest rate of identity theft in Europe.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It's not so much that it's happening IN the UK, by UK residents. But more likely the fraudsters are using UK identities.

The UK has the highest rate of identity theft in Europe.

Oh yes, surely not all committed by UK citizens. I had a few casinos telling me that the most fraud attempts and syndicate "attacks" are initiated from the UK. Nobody really knows who is all behind it. The perpetrators could be sitting on a sunny beach with a laptop.

 

[Jono777]

Well I knew it was coming, just a question of when??

Read of instances and kept fingers crossed, well today the Bonus Abuse email landed and I'm banned from their group

No point ranting as I know they'll not back down, they saw the bulk of my budget and I was overall only slightly in front lifetime, tut.

Oh well - Merry Christmas to you too Caddell

 

[Jd666]

Well I knew it was coming, just a question of when??

Read of instances and kept fingers crossed, well today the Bonus Abuse email landed and I'm banned from their group

No point ranting as I know they'll not back down, they saw the bulk of my budget and I was overall only slightly in front lifetime, tut.

Oh well - Merry Christmas to you too Caddell

Bloody hell Jon.

Its not as if you were a massive depositer and did big stakes.
So looks like they are after us low rollers as well.

Strangely I reversed my Reel Island withdrawal today as it was still pending and thought its not going anywhere until after Christmas now.
Not going to blow it all but thought I could have a few spins with it, not touched it yet either.
First time I have ever reversed as well.

 

[Jono777]

£300 cash out from £25 dipper x 2 in last fortnight or so would have done it mate. Plus rare I made any cash only deposits too.

Proud to say I too am a very rare, reverser lol, nice one for that JD, if you can't reverse at Xmas then wnen can you

Gotta find somewhere new to play now which fits the following criteria....

MGS, BTG, Netent and NO RHINO - NO LAG, Good, regular, low roller friendly offers with fair, doable wagering, Novomatics an added bonus as long as I can't tell when the balance changes whether it is a win or not....

Mission Impossible IMO......

Think (and I mean this with quite a degree of seriousness, honest) it will be easier to back off quite a bit and play cash only as and when I can (Eg: 1 x £50 cash deposit instead of 2 x £25 with a bonus, just an idea for now)

Sent my doc's (which they've never asked for before) so the sooner they cough up, I can draw a line under this.

Merry Christmas one and all!

 

[Jd666]

£300 cash out from £25 dipper x 2 in last fortnight or so would have done it mate. Plus rare I made any cash only deposits too.

Proud to say I too am a very rare, reverser lol, nice one for that JD, if you can't reverse at Xmas then wnen can you

Gotta find somewhere new to play now which fits the following criteria....

MGS, BTG, Netent and NO RHINO - NO LAG, Good, regular, low roller friendly offers with fair, doable wagering, Novomatics an added bonus as long as I can't tell when the balance changes whether it is a win or not....

Mission Impossible IMO......

Think (and I mean this with quite a degree of seriousness, honest) it will be easier to back off quite a bit and play cash only as and when I can (Eg: 1 x £50 cash deposit instead of 2 x £25 with a bonus, just an idea for now)

Sent my doc's (which they've never asked for before) so the sooner they cough up, I can draw a line under this.

Merry Christmas one and all!

Slotsmillion might be a good one for you mate.
Can withdraw early if you dont dip into bonus, but if you do then I think bonus is 50x or is that Ladylucks with the 50x
And a nice fast withdrawal into your bank.

 

[brianmon]

SlotsMillion is 48x and LadyLucks is 50x.

But LadyLucks has the better bonuses, with 100% up to £100 every Sunday, and often a 50% or 100% through the week, as well as regular free spin deposit offers

 

[shadieb]

Well I knew it was coming, just a question of when??

Read of instances and kept fingers crossed, well today the Bonus Abuse email landed and I'm banned from their group

No point ranting as I know they'll not back down, they saw the bulk of my budget and I was overall only slightly in front lifetime, tut.

Oh well - Merry Christmas to you too Caddell

Got my lifetime ban a few months back, and G'Day / Hello were probably my most go to casinos.
I have since stopped bothering with deposit bonuses and so far its been pretty much downhill LOL
If you come across your ideal low roller casino Jono be sure to let us know

Hopefully 2018 will be the year for us??

 

[dunover]

£300 cash out from £25 dipper x 2 in last fortnight or so would have done it mate. Plus rare I made any cash only deposits too.

Proud to say I too am a very rare, reverser lol, nice one for that JD, if you can't reverse at Xmas then wnen can you

Gotta find somewhere new to play now which fits the following criteria....

MGS, BTG, Netent and NO RHINO - NO LAG, Good, regular, low roller friendly offers with fair, doable wagering, Novomatics an added bonus as long as I can't tell when the balance changes whether it is a win or not....

Mission Impossible IMO......

Think (and I mean this with quite a degree of seriousness, honest) it will be easier to back off quite a bit and play cash only as and when I can (Eg: 1 x £50 cash deposit instead of 2 x £25 with a bonus, just an idea for now)

Sent my doc's (which they've never asked for before) so the sooner they cough up, I can draw a line under this.

Merry Christmas one and all!

Vinnarum (sister to Redbet) have most of your favourites Jono, 45x B WR when I last checked. Caddell are funny buggers, good as gold paying you but very paranoid about bonus players....

 

[brianmon]

Vinnarum (sister to Redbet) have most of your favourites Jono, 45x B WR when I last checked. Caddell are funny buggers, good as gold paying you but very paranoid about bonus players....

• A bonus where the percentage match is below 100% has to be wagered 25 times deposit + bonus.
• A bonus where the percentage match is 100% or above has to be wagered 35 times deposit + bonus.

• Unless it has been stated differently in the specific terms and conditions tailored to each campaign the highest bet allowed when using bonus money, until the wagering requirement has been fulfilled, is:

• United Kingdom: £2 per spin or 20p per betting line

Btw, are you allowed to join this sister site, if you have an account at RedBet?
I seem to remember there were problems joining WhiteBet, if you had an account at RedBet, and vice versa

 

[Jono777]

Vinnarum (sister to Redbet) have most of your favourites Jono, 45x B WR when I last checked. Caddell are funny buggers, good as gold paying you but very paranoid about bonus players....

Cheers Daz.

They still not paid my outstanding £300, not panicking just yet as only sent doc's Saturday and with the Christmas break and all that....

Site you recommend sounds good but sure I remember reading that if a player took a SUB at Redbet then this is disallowed at all sister sites??

 

[pinnit2014]

You can have the 2 accounts across both red bet and white bet but be careful taking the bonus across both - you'll be fine if you stick to one (I did wonder why whitebet said I was on Santa's naughty list when i tried to access their advent calendar)

 

[Deeplay]

Being banned for taking up bonus offers just ridiculous in my view - sure stop bonus offers ... but why ban a player from depositing ? business suicide if you ask me.

I dont like this group anyway. Something not right about them at all. They took forever to verify my documents and almost 12 days to get paid on 1 withdraw. Was dicked around from start to finish.
Support is also crap. Soon as I did get paid I closed down my accounts. They wont see another penny from me ever. Much better casinos about than the crap that Cadell churn out.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Cheers Daz.

They still not paid my outstanding £300, not panicking just yet as only sent doc's Saturday and with the Christmas break and all that....

Site you recommend sounds good but sure I remember reading that if a player took a SUB at Redbet then this is disallowed at all sister sites??

Maybe try one of these:
- Mr. Win - Daily calendar with bonuses and Free Spins as regular promotion. No clue what %'s the bonuses are. (MGA+UKGC license, EveryMatrix, no BTG though but do have WMS and Merkur)
- Cherry Casino - if you insist on Novo + Merkur, they've been around for donkeys.
- Metal Casino | MT SecureTrade - Launched in Aug/Sep 2017, MGA + UKGC license, has BTG, no Novo, 100% on first deposit, WR = 25x D+B
- Agent Spinner | MT SecureTrade - Launched in August 2017, MGA + UKGC license, has WMS, no BTG or Novo, 100 ND FS on Spinions for registering, 100% on first deposit, WR = 50xB

 

[Jono777]

Sounds promising Harry, cheers.

Yeah been a struggle past few days, got a 50% offer from SM yesterday but their lag as the night goes on gets worse, plus no Creature, No Jurassic Park to name but a good missing few which I like to have available to play.

Ironic and not a foil hat in site but seems where I've been forced to go cash only in recent deposits the RTP dips nicely along with it lol.

Caddell for all their sins did seem to give me more than my fair share of nice hits and as best I recall no lag and extremely rare disconnects!

Thanks again all who've Input

 

[colinsunderland]

Agentspinner gives me a splash screen telling me they don't accept players from my country, don't see it listed on the MT ukgc license either

 

[Harry_BKK]

Agentspinner gives me a splash screen telling me they don't accept players from my country, don't see it listed on the MT ukgc license either

Bastards, no UK license, but displaying it on their site. Have to admit that I did not click on the link when I reviewed them. Maybe the application is in process. Live Chat was not available right now to ask.

Their T&C's clearly state though that they accept GB players, based on the MT SecureTrade license.

 

[brianmon]

Bastards, no UK license, but displaying it on their site. Have to admit that I did not click on the link when I reviewed them. Maybe the application is in process. Live Chat was not available right now to ask.

Their T&C's clearly state though that they accept GB players, based on the MT SecureTrade license.

Their license is still pending, according to Nicola's site

A site, I might add, which I find invaluable for referencing this sort of thing

 

[Jd666]

Would have been your dream today Jon.
Six of these casinos offering a 200% bonus today with deposit from a tenner, even though some emails said 20