Bad Run at AllStarSlots

[bryand]

OK, reading this threat has finally prompted me to post the secret to playing RTG slots.

Deposit $10,000. Start small, about .40 per spin. If you don't get a good hit or bonus round after 7 or 8 thousand spins, go ahead and increase bet size to .60 per spin. If still no good hits in the next 5 or 6 thousand spins, increase to $10 per spin. Then put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye

 

[takethemoney]

OK, reading this threat has finally prompted me to post the secret to playing RTG slots.

Deposit $10,000. Start small, about .40 per spin. If you don't get a good hit or bonus round after 7 or 8 thousand spins, go ahead and increase bet size to .60 per spin. If still no good hits in the next 5 or 6 thousand spins, increase to $10 per spin. Then put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye

Why not just start at max bet then. It's true....you're either gonna win or lose, so why screw around and waste a bunch of time?

 

[Simmo!]

WHY CHANGE THE THREAD?

PM Sent.

 

[Webzcas]

Dude, they all suck right now. There is no place I am comfortable venturing a dollar right now......no RTGs, no Rivals.

I could start a similar thread concerning Microgaming and Playtech casinos. After losing streaks at a couple of casinos using both platforms. But I won't start such a thread.

It happens. That is the nature of online gambling. If you are not happy at a particular casino, by all means play somewhere else. But starting a thread insinuating that something untoward is going on at a CM accredited casino which has a very good reputation, is not the right way to handle this.

Perhaps you need to stop gambling for a while..

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

I could start a similar thread concerning Microgaming and Playtech casinos. After losing streaks at a couple of casinos using both platforms. But I won't start such a thread.

It happens. That is the nature of online gambling. If you are not happy at a particular casino, by all means play somewhere else. But starting a thread insinuating that something untoward is going on at a CM accredited casino which has a very good reputation, is not the right way to handle this.

Perhaps you need to stop gambling for a while..


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[AudiManinBoro]

I could start a similar thread concerning Microgaming and Playtech casinos. After losing streaks at a couple of casinos using both platforms. But I won't start such a thread.

Disagree Webzcas, Ive never played at any MG casino that has taken over 100 deposits to get a cashout. Ever. ever ever ever ever ever ( I could go on here) lol

 

[DiamondGeezer]

I have changed the thread title to reflect the original post more accurately. If the OP has an objection they are welcome to PM me to discuss

As an aside, on the RTP issue raised above, it was Club World who said they would be happy to publish the RTP of games on their website when I asked after Mavin's post, back in January. Their owner said most of the slots were set to 95% but he felt that even if they did publish them, there would be still be players who refused to believe it unless RTG could be persuaded to incorporate them, which is unlikely.


Cheers

Simmo!

That may well be correct but that was January and it's now May. So it's quite possible the RTP has been lowered since then.

I can understand how players must feel ripped off if they have a bad losing run and then don't know what RTP they have been getting. Whether Club World are in fact doing this I don't know. But until there is more transparancy from the operators or software provider this problem will always be there for RTG casinos.

 

[clubworld]

I would like to point at this stage there have been no alterations at all to the RTP on any of our games. Ever.

I can appreciate how doubts can run through your head when facing a bad run on the Internet however I can state that the actual payout percentages in all our casinos are exactly within the theoretical odds and they have not decreased in recent times.

To be clear we would not, and do not make any alterations to RTP settings.

 

[takethemoney]

I would like to point at this stage there have been no alterations at all to the RTP on any of our games. Ever.

I can appreciate how doubts can run through your head when facing a bad run on the Internet however I can state that the actual payout percentages in all our casinos are exactly within the theoretical odds and they have not decreased in recent times.

To be clear we would not, and do not make any alterations to RTP settings.

Then would you at least mind telling us which of the 3 RTP options the slots are set at? I think it's a valid question and a bit of transparency would be nice. Thanks!

 

[clubworld]

I can do better than that, I can tell you what the payout percentages actually are. Here are the overall payout percentages on our slots games since I started with the CWC group in the summer of 2007 to date:

2007 – 95.49%
2008 – 95.87%
2009 – 95.92%
2010 – 95.61%

 

[Casinomeister]

It sad when you see the big guys eating up the little guys. The ones with the money don't always do the right thing. None of these acquisitions, as of late, have been good for the player, infact, it's quite the opposite...

Would you prefer to see a casino go tits up because the money is gone? This is why you see acquisitions happening. I would rather see a casino assimilated into a reputable group than leaving players and affiliates high and dry any day.

... At least when it was allstarslots not owned by club world they were fair.

Now what does that have to do with your complaint? i.e., that you weren't winning. Ownership has nothing to do with your game-play experience.

If you find yourself complaining too much because you are not winning is an indicator that you may want to take a break from gambling. Please check out this section here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/quit-gambling/

 

[diamondale]

DONT NEED TO QUIT IM FINE CLUBWORLDGROUP ISNT

Would you prefer to see a casino go tits up because the money is gone? This is why you see acquisitions happening. I would rather see a casino assimilated into a reputable group than leaving players and affiliates high and dry any day.


Now what does that have to do with your complaint? i.e., that you weren't winning. Ownership has nothing to do with your game-play experience.

If you find yourself complaining too much because you are not winning is an indicator that you may want to take a break from gambling. Please check out this section here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/quit-gambling/

im winning at other rtg casinos maybe a few deposits but not as many as i played at allstar this last week 100.00 went in 10 min same as the 6 other deposits gone no winners period and only playing 40 cents and 1.00 bets i put 50.00 in lockcasino and playing 40 cents and 1.00 bets my money last on the average 2 to 3 hrs sometimes alot longer.

 

[anniemac]

I am having a pretty lousy run at CW myself this month but I can't say that I think they are cheating or tweaking or whatever. I am also having a crappy run at Rivals and MG. But on the turnaround, I have had some amazing runs at all of the above.

Word to the wise, if you are not having fun, get out. Quit playing and move on to something else. Your mental health will be a whole lot better.

 

[LHofsdal]

I have accounts at the CW casinos. I admit some times I have rotten luck, I just take it with a grain of salt and move on. Some times I have good luck and cash out, and again I take it with a smile on face!!! Every cash out I have had with them was processed in a timely manner and never had any hassles.

Do I think this group is out to rip people off, No!! I do realize that it is gambling and I don't expect to win something off of every deposit. If I have a bad run at their casino, I take a break from them and try some where else. But I really do believe they are an honest group and for the time being I will continue to play there until they have done me wrong. I can tell you this though, they are IMHO one of the few groups out there that are trust worthy.

As for the spam mail, I just hit delete. We can moan and groan about it and get taken off the mailing lists but isn't it just easier to hit delete?

Everyone has their own opinions and I respect that, so please don't take this post as I am "slamming" anyone for having their own opinion.

LH

 

[all4greed]

I can do better than that, I can tell you what the payout percentages actually are. Here are the overall payout percentages on our slots games since I started with the CWC group in the summer of 2007 to date:

2007 – 95.49%
2008 – 95.87%
2009 – 95.92%
2010 – 95.61%

Well that is very specific!

Does each individual casino figure out the percentages or is there an outside company that audits them? How does that work?

Never really gave it much though but I'm curious now. Thanks.

 

[clubworld]

Hello, these figures are the actual results as calculated from the log files stored in our database. We have external auditors on an annual basis who cover every aspect of our business in great detail.

 

[Lucky Loser]

I can do better than that, I can tell you what the payout percentages actually are. Here are the overall payout percentages on our slots games since I started with the CWC group in the summer of 2007 to date:

2007 – 95.49%
2008 – 95.87%
2009 – 95.92%
2010 – 95.61%

Thank you for confirming your payout percentages and being transparent. It gives me confidence to play at your casinos knowing the RTP has not been seen set at low levels.

 

[jimb123]

RTG vs Rival

Dude, they all suck right now. There is no place I am comfortable venturing a dollar right now......no RTGs, no Rivals.

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Agreed... (though not implying any wrong doing by any1)... I guess I have 30 or 40 deposits now with Rival and RTG casinos and just 2 small winning sessions - though not really worth cashing out. My only winning spin was $150 5 scatter at Inetbet on an accidental 30cent spin (first spin of the session). Since I usually want to get up about $200 to $250 before I cashout.. and because it was the 1st spin.. i kept playing. My biggest spin after that was maybe $10.. and it just died. Usual deposits are from $50 to $150 for me.

Rival my only winning session was $26 bonus chip that I turned into $2600.. I couldnt lose. Ironically that had a $150 cashout cap and they wanted all kinds of papers and stuff and so I just reversed it and played it and of course hit nothing. Every deposit since I cant even hit more than 1 or 2 bonus rounds - if that using cash deposit only.

Might be time for us all to take a break from Rival/RTG for awhile. Heck, my luck at 3dice isnt any better... but at least they have free tourneys. I may keep my MG acct open just because I've been with them for 4yrs and I know -- IF I CAN WAIT 48hrs -- i WILL get paid

100+ sessions this year.. probably more like 200... 3 legitimate cashouts: $300, $500 and $700... on more than $10,000 in deposits. Not sure how anyone can afford to play if streaks like this can be possible. According to 3dice:

And I quote:
On a 100% casino .. you will reach 2x your start balance 1/2 of the sessions. You'll reach 3x your start balance 1/3 of the sessions. You'll reach 4x your start balance 1/4 of the sessions etc .. that's on a 100% RTP - fair casino. So on a 95% casino you would for example expect to reach your 20 times your start balance once every 21 sessions on average.


So going 100+ sessions and at best seeing 5x your deposit... is unusual... possible, but not probable. I guess CasinoMeister is saying that's quite possible and statistically normal.

Oh and I bet 50cents to $2/spin -- avg $1/spins. But I think I've decided to raise that to $1 min bets from here on out with $2/avg. Especially now that I know RTG Random Jackpots awards more 'chances' the more u bet.

Again, not saying the casinos have anything to do with this. Its really more that the casino sw makers are providing a product that has such high variances. Which I wouldnt mind if I saw that while tons of us were losing our shirts, there were alot of folks posting massive 1000x to 5000x your bet wins... but the thread here for 1000x your bet doesnt get updated often -- not like you'd think. I lost quite alot in 2007/2008... but I dont recall long sessions where I couldnt win anything... and while I wasnt happy I was losing.. at least I could 'play'. So my beef just stems from not getting quite the same joy as before.

Good luck everyone... I would consider taking a break/quitting.. and at times I do for awhile... but listen... I have insider info... as my VIP MG rep just told me, "Your luck is bound to change. So please make another deposit" lol
He must know something.. I'm off to play hahahaha

ps... maybe we should forget online casinos and just all meet up in VEGAS BABY!!!

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Well I have ditched pretty much all of the Rtg`s im a member at and wont be playing with them again. I have a couple left that ill keep for entertainment purposes but my deposits with them are far far less than what i used to spend. End result, theyve just lost a customer. How many customers over they have lost is anyones guess, but their do seem to be a lot collapsing/folding and being bought out lately dont there.

 

[takethemoney]

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Agreed... (though not implying any wrong doing by any1)... I guess I have 30 or 40 deposits now with Rival and RTG casinos and just 2 small winning sessions - though not really worth cashing out. My only winning spin was $150 5 scatter at Inetbet on an accidental 30cent spin (first spin of the session). Since I usually want to get up about $200 to $250 before I cashout.. and because it was the 1st spin.. i kept playing. My biggest spin after that was maybe $10.. and it just died. Usual deposits are from $50 to $150 for me.

Rival my only winning session was $26 bonus chip that I turned into $2600.. I couldnt lose. Ironically that had a $150 cashout cap and they wanted all kinds of papers and stuff and so I just reversed it and played it and of course hit nothing. Every deposit since I cant even hit more than 1 or 2 bonus rounds - if that using cash deposit only.

Might be time for us all to take a break from Rival/RTG for awhile. Heck, my luck at 3dice isnt any better... but at least they have free tourneys. I may keep my MG acct open just because I've been with them for 4yrs and I know -- IF I CAN WAIT 48hrs -- i WILL get paid

100+ sessions this year.. probably more like 200... 3 legitimate cashouts: $300, $500 and $700... on more than $10,000 in deposits. Not sure how anyone can afford to play if streaks like this can be possible. According to 3dice:

And I quote:
On a 100% casino .. you will reach 2x your start balance 1/2 of the sessions. You'll reach 3x your start balance 1/3 of the sessions. You'll reach 4x your start balance 1/4 of the sessions etc .. that's on a 100% RTP - fair casino. So on a 95% casino you would for example expect to reach your 20 times your start balance once every 21 sessions on average.


So going 100+ sessions and at best seeing 5x your deposit... is unusual... possible, but not probable. I guess CasinoMeister is saying that's quite possible and statistically normal.

Oh and I bet 50cents to $2/spin -- avg $1/spins. But I think I've decided to raise that to $1 min bets from here on out with $2/avg. Especially now that I know RTG Random Jackpots awards more 'chances' the more u bet.

Again, not saying the casinos have anything to do with this. Its really more that the casino sw makers are providing a product that has such high variances. Which I wouldnt mind if I saw that while tons of us were losing our shirts, there were alot of folks posting massive 1000x to 5000x your bet wins... but the thread here for 1000x your bet doesnt get updated often -- not like you'd think. I lost quite alot in 2007/2008... but I dont recall long sessions where I couldnt win anything... and while I wasnt happy I was losing.. at least I could 'play'. So my beef just stems from not getting quite the same joy as before.

Good luck everyone... I would consider taking a break/quitting.. and at times I do for awhile... but listen... I have insider info... as my VIP MG rep just told me, "Your luck is bound to change. So please make another deposit" lol
He must know something.. I'm off to play hahahaha

ps... maybe we should forget online casinos and just all meet up in VEGAS BABY!!!

This has been my strategy for months now, with the exception of a $52 deposit at Lock earlier in the month. I didn't get to cashout, but I played for 3 days on it before going bust. It was a hell of a rollercoaster ride.

 

[Nate]

Im curious to know if the denomination played affects the RTP on these slots. In the real world, higher denomination machines tend to have a higher RTP than the lower denominations.

Could the casino rep kindly confirm if this is the case?

 

[clubworld]

The coin size does not affect the basic RTP, although playing a higher coin size does increase your chances of winning a Random Jackpot and so the overall RTP% would increase slightly.

 

[zap987]

The coin size does not affect the basic RTP, although playing a higher coin size does increase your chances of winning a Random Jackpot and so the overall RTP% would increase slightly.

I thought the chance to hit the random jackpot was directly related to bet size so that the RTP would not change at all depending on betsize?

 

[Nate]

The coin size does not affect the basic RTP, although playing a higher coin size does increase your chances of winning a Random Jackpot and so the overall RTP% would increase slightly.

No offence intended here... But..

I disagree, Only and IF the RJ is won by an individual, would that affect the RTP... The RJ is a seperate entity to the machine and does not form part of the RTP. Random meaning - exactly that -

Is the RJ part of the base software cycle for any particular game?

On the other hand, The RTP could be lowered to cater for the RJ - Is this the case? This would mean that the RJ increment percentage must be deducted off the base game to cater for the RJ... which in essence lowers the 'Real' RTP for that game...

One more thing, are the overall slot percentages quoted inclusive of the RJ wins?

 

[DiamondGeezer]

I can do better than that, I can tell you what the payout percentages actually are. Here are the overall payout percentages on our slots games since I started with the CWC group in the summer of 2007 to date:

2007 – 95.49%
2008 – 95.87%
2009 – 95.92%
2010 – 95.61%

If these figures are correct (and I have no reason to doubt them) I don't know why you don't use them more as a marketing tool. I certainly would play a lot more if I could be certain if they were correct.

I understand you may wish to withold confidential information like an audit report but how as players can we verify these figures are correct?

It would greatly alleviate the cynicism if there was some independent approval, be it from Bryan or whover does the audit. I'm sure there a proper process but it would be good to know more about that process.

I'm certain you will attract a lot more players if you just get a bit more transparent. I think it's fair to say players don't have a lot of confidence in RTG becasue of the alleged three operator RTP settings. If you are on a losing run it's very hard to get away from the thought the operator may have reduced the settings that month.

Personally I doubt this is the case but you can't blame players for thinking that way it's only human nature.