australian legislation amendments! HELP ME

[snotter999]

Saw this over on LCB:

"From Monday the 21st August, we will not be accepting new registrations from Australia.Customers that already have an account with us will stay active until further notice."

However, I haven't received an email relating to this decision. Has anyone else?

Well this doesn't sound good!
Seemed like everything died down for a couple months there.

At the moment there are still plenty to play at but if videoslots shuts us out i fear many others will as well.

 

[Mr Wild]

The new law says you cannot take bets from customers that are present in Australia. So if the casino don't know you are present in Australia, you can still play as an Australian. So I recommend to play via VPN a good and cheap one is tunnelbear(dot)com. Very easy to use.

 

[ladyhawke]

The new law says you cannot take bets from customers that are present in Australia. So if the casino don't know you are present in Australia, you can still play as an Australian. So I recommend to play via VPN a good and cheap one is tunnelbear(dot)com. Very easy to use.

I already use TunnelBear for a lot of my non-gambling browsing (Rawr!)

However I am not sure your advice re using a VPN to mask country of origin is a good idea. What happens to verification at withdrawal time? Or providing correct sign-up details, such as address and phone number?

All of these can - and probably will - result in confiscated winnings.

 

[Mr Wild]

I already use TunnelBear for a lot of my non-gambling browsing (Rawr!)

However I am not sure your advice re using a VPN to mask country of origin is a good idea. What happens to verification at withdrawal time? Or providing correct sign-up details, such as address and phone number?

All of these can - and probably will - result in confiscated winnings.

Its not illegal to take players that live in Australia as long as they don't play from Australia. Just saying that some operators might still allow you to play as long as they don't see you using an Australian IP.
I read a senator recommended people in Australia to play via VPN. (

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[lychi]

Any where left?

So i only have till end of month at current casino and they are closing my account, I can't find any where else to join up as an Aussie player. The only online gaming options I have found are sports betting related. Has any one found any where to continue playing?
Annoyed to say the least.

 

[lychi]

Its not illegal to take players that live in Australia as long as they don't play from Australia. Just saying that some operators might still allow you to play as long as they don't see you using an Australian IP.
I read a senator recommended people in Australia to play via VPN. (

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But what about having an Australian bank account for deposits and withdrawals? And also given you need to verify ID to join and withdrawal. Won't playing via VPN be ok until you win, and then it will cause dramas?

 

[Mr Wild]

But what about having an Australian bank account for deposits and withdrawals? And also given you need to verify ID to join and withdrawal. Won't playing via VPN be ok until you win, and then it will cause dramas?

If your bank rejects withdrawals and deposits with bank. You cant play of course. I would contact the support of the casino I play at to ask the above. You will for sure get problems with some and others not. One thing I know for sure, don't post publicly about casinos that allow you, because then you risk to have them close the market. Regulators read more than we think.

I believe many might close for new registrations and might still allow their old customers to play. However, we will see after the 11th September.

 

[MaltesePlayer]

I heard BETAT and Slotty Vegas are still opening to Aussies atm. Heard it from the grape vine since a lot of people in Malta work in the iGaming industry companies here.. I'd check with their CS just to be safe.

 

[KasinoKing]

So i only have till end of month at current casino and they are closing my account, I can't find any where else to join up as an Aussie player. The only online gaming options I have found are sports betting related. Has any one found any where to continue playing?
Annoyed to say the least.

There are loads of casinos who will continue to accept Australians - just they will have different games to the ones you may be used to.
Someone round here has a link in his signature to a list of the best ones...

KK

 

[ladyhawke]

There are loads of casinos who will continue to accept Australians - just they will have different games to the ones you may be used to.
Someone round here has a link in his signature to a list of the best ones...

KK

So on September 12th, Australia will become an unregulated market, with all the problems that entails.

And unfortunately, a major problem is that Australia can never become regulated, as the mechanism for that simply does not exist.

Offshore gambling operators will not be able to legally offer services to Australians unless they receive a license from Oz ... Since there are no provisions in place for awarding a license, the law is more of an outright ban on such operators.


So it looks like the do-gooders who believe they have the right to dictate to us how we live our lives, spend our money, enjoy our leisure time etc. have won, irrespective of our wishes.

I sure as hell don't remember the government bothering with a plebiscite for this. Strange how they can make laws on certain issues, but insist on plebiscites for others!

What are our options then?

1: Stop playing.

2: Play at our friendly local RSL club.

3lay at casinos still offering services to Australia, and hope like hell they are reputable.

4: AND....as KasinoKing mentions above, get used to totally different providers/games from those we know and love.

 

[LoopsterAU]

Got confirmation Thur night from Riverbelle chat that the second half of MG Viper casinos will also be leaving a day later (last day will be the 13th while its the 12th for Fortune Lounge).

I have also noticed that progressives are missing from viper across both groups so I have no last chance to try Mega Moolah

It does show in Videoslots but gives errors when trying to open it.

Can anyone else confirm that progressives are already gone ?

 

[spinperson]

Casino-mate

I have just been told by a chat representative from Casino-mate ( accredited casino on this site ) that because they operate on a different license, they will continue to accept Australian players after September 13th. They will also continue to offer Microgaming games to Australians < That can't be right?

They will continue to put withdrawals via Instant Bank Transfer, if requested....

Have I just been fed the wrong information by one of their reps?

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Jackpot City, who have never let me down, have informed me via chat ( but didn't get an email ), that they will stop taking play and deposits from September 13. They have stopped issuing cheques.

 

[crikeym8]

I have just been told by a chat representative from Casino-mate ( accredited casino on this site ) that because they operate on a different license, they will continue to accept Australian players after September 13th. They will also continue to offer Microgaming games to Australians < That can't be right?

They will continue to put withdrawals via Instant Bank Transfer, if requested....

Have I just been fed the wrong information by one of their reps?

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Jackpot City, who have never let me down, have informed me via chat ( but didn't get an email ), that they will stop taking play and deposits from September 13. They have stopped issuing cheques.

Casino-Mate is Sister to House of Jack.

How they get around legislation is by being a cloud based casino.
It may work for a while, but I'm sure any loop holes like that would be legislated if or when it became enough of an issue for government.

 

[snotter999]

I just tried a couple of Microgaming games and get this error

 

[The Dude]

I've added a list of CM Accredited and Grey Zone casinos that are still taking Aussie players at the top of this thread.

 

[mina1929]

I just tried a couple of Microgaming games and get this error

Tried at Video Slots same thing, no more microgaming for us I will miss it especially Adventure Palace etc

It is not fair

 

[KasinoKing]

Tried at Video Slots same thing, no more microgaming for us I will miss it especially Adventure Palace etc

It is not fair

That's what our governments are for: if they can't tax it - they ban it!

KK

 

[mina1929]

That's what our governments are for: if they can't tax it - they ban it!

KK

I am just confused as to why we can play at certain casinos and not the rest, what is the difference, do they get taxed?

I just don't get politics

 

[KasinoKing]

I am just confused as to why we can play at certain casinos and not the rest, what is the difference, do they get taxed?

I just don't get politics

I'm not great on politics either but they way I read the situation is this (and I may be wrong):

Microgaming & NetEnt (and a few others) are publicly listed companies in the EU.
All the "Big Boy" casinos are licenced in the EU and/or UK.
The EU & UK are very good friends with Australia - so they don't want to piss them off by allowing these casinos & games to be available against the will of the Aus government - so they would take action against any operator who breaks Aus laws.
Therefore the casinos really have no option but to pull out.

Casinos & softwares who are NOT licenced in the EU/UK don't have this "threat" hanging over them - so most will carry on as before.

BTW, Playtech are also pulling out of Aus... like anyone gives a toss!

KK

 

[snotter999]

I am just confused as to why we can play at certain casinos and not the rest, what is the difference, do they get taxed?

I just don't get politics

At the end of the day Mina I think some casinos don't care for what the Aussie government is doing and if they have enough providers allowing Aus players then why not stay open to us as they probably making lots of money and isn't that their business is. Possibly all relates to where they have their casino license also.
The next step for the government is to start blocking the websites much in the same way that they are blocking pirate torrent sites now.

 

[ladyhawke]

BTW, Playtech are also pulling out of Aus... like anyone gives a toss!

KK

Yup...already gone from Slotsmillion as of this morning. Used to be available under the Vegas Slots tab. Now just a blank space (apologies to Taylor Swift!).

 

[spinperson]

I just tried a couple of Microgaming games and get this error

Sorry - I got told the wrong information by one of their chat representatives.
I went in and played today and just found out the true story.

I'm also surprised Casino-Mate is back into the grey zone. I am about to make a nice withdrawal.

 

[snotter999]

Sorry - I got told the wrong information by one of their chat representatives.
I went in and played today and just found out the true story.

I'm also surprised Casino-Mate is back into the grey zone. I am about to make a nice withdrawal.

Yeah not sure why the grey zone but i have made a couple withdrawals with no issues since they went to the new format.

 

[mina1929]

Yea Casino Mate and House of Jack pretty good casinos, never any hassles.

Deposited and withdrawn not a problem

 

[Mr Wild]

Tried at Video Slots same thing, no more microgaming for us I will miss it especially Adventure Palace etc

It is not fair

You can still play MG via VPN. Try TunnelBear it cost 50eur a year. You can try it for free with 500mb limit.

 

[Tirilej]

You can still play MG via VPN. Try TunnelBear it cost 50eur a year. You can try it for free with 500mb limit.

So is it ok for anyone who lives in a country that doesn't allow them to play certain games to use a VPN at VS to bypass that, or is it a special advice just for Australian customers?

It's getting really hard to know what we should advice players when it comes to regulations and rules these days

 

[KasinoKing]

You can still play MG via VPN. Try TunnelBear it cost 50eur a year. You can try it for free with 500mb limit.

But surely if you've registered with an address in Australia you could face a huge problem when you come to cash-out...

Unless players have a LEGITIMATE address in a different country - I can only foresee problems for those trying to "cheat" the system

KK

 

[Mr Wild]

But surely if you've registered with an address in Australia you could face a huge problem when you come to cash-out...

Unless players have a LEGITIMATE address in a different country - I can only foresee problems for those trying to "cheat" the system

KK

Its not illegal to have Australian players, however its not allowed to take bets from players that are present in Australia regardless if they are registered in UK or Australia or any other country. So you sign up as an Australian and you play when you are abroad or on a VPN

 

[Tirilej]

Its not illegal to have Australian players, however its not allowed to take bets from players that are present in Australia regardless if they are registered in UK or Australia or any other country. So you sign up as an Australian and you play when you are abroad or on a VPN

I'm sure you know what you're talking about, and it's great if VS always will pay those customers who are using a VPN to play.
The risk though with advicing people to use it is that they might do it at other places too, where they will deny them the win because of the use of a VPN. Maybe you should be a little more careful.
I advice all Australian players to first ask the casino if you're allowed to use a VPN. Otherwise, please don't!

 

[Mr Wild]

I'm sure you know what you're talking about, and it's great if VS always will pay those customers who are using a VPN to play.
The risk though with advicing people to use it is that they might do it at other places too, where they will deny them the win because of the use of a VPN. Maybe you should be a little more careful.
I advice all Australian players to first ask the casino if you're allowed to use a VPN. Otherwise, please don't!

I did advice to ask support before you do earlier in the discussion

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/australian-legislation-amendments-help-me.78263/

If your bank rejects withdrawals and deposits with bank. You cant play of course. I would contact the support of the casino I play at to ask the above. You will for sure get problems with some and others not. One thing I know for sure, don't post publicly about casinos that allow you, because then you risk to have them close the market. Regulators read more than we think.

I believe many might close for new registrations and might still allow their old customers to play. However, we will see after the 11th September.

 

[Tirilej]

I did advice to ask support before you do earlier in the discussion

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/australian-legislation-amendments-help-me.78263/

Yes you did. Sorry for not having read it all.

Then they are even more warned

 

[jetset]

Another chance for Aussie online poker?

COULD ONLINE POKER BE BACK ON THE CARDS IN AUSTRALIA?

Supporter Sen. David Leyonhjelm says the federal government is mulling the exemption of online poker from recent bans.

Sen. David Leyonhjelm, one of the few Australian politicians to have consistently defended online gambling in general and online poker in particular, announced a new development in the federal government's approach Wednesday, claiming that Communications Minister Mitch Fifield is considering making it possible to licence online poker operators, thus exempting them from the current bans on all but sports betting that exist following the recent passage of the Interactive Gambling Amendment Act.

The senator claims that as a result of further lobbying, the government “has advised that it is ‘favourably disposed’ to reforms that would exempt online poker players from illegal offshore wagering laws.”

Leyonhjelm quoted from a letter from Fifield, advising that a team in the Communications Ministry has been tasked to “undertake some preliminary work examining the feasibility of Australian onshore providers obtaining licenses to operate online poker.”

Note the "onshore provider" qualification.

Fifield claims that he has the support of Human Services Minister Alan Tudge, who was the driving force behind the passage of the Interactive Gambling Amendment Act.

Sen. Leyonhjelm is also largely responsible for the inception of a Senate committee deliberating the pros and cons of online poker, which is due to submit its report and recommendations in October

 

[snotter999]

I tried logging in to Videoslots about a month ago with my VPN set to UK and my account was blocked for 24 hours!

 

[Tirilej]

I tried logging in to Videoslots about a month ago with my VPN set to UK and my account was blocked for 24 hours!

They are automaticly blocking everyone if they go abroad without speaking to them first. Maybe you should do that when you're out ''travelling''.
Also another country than uk maybe is smart to choose since they are not allowed to play all games either.

 

[Mr Wild]

I tried logging in to Videoslots about a month ago with my VPN set to UK and my account was blocked for 24 hours!

VS has made some changes regarding VPN policies for some countries. You should try again, or get in contact with Dan.

 

[0zzy]

I didn't see Codeta on your list.

Are they still accepting Australian players?

They appear to be right at the top of the tree when it comes to "Live Dealer Online" games.

 

[mina1929]

I didn't see Codeta on your list.

Are they still accepting Australian players?

They appear to be right at the top of the tree when it comes to "Live Dealer Online" games.

No they don't I had an email from them that they no longer accept Aussies

 

[0zzy]

No they don't I had an email from them that they no longer accept Aussies

Thank you for the info...very disappointing.

I don't play slots...only Baccarat and Roulette...Do you know of any online casinos accepting Aussie players with a selection of Live Dealer Tables?


Failing that...it means that I will have to drag my lazy butt off to my local casino...2 hours each way...DAMMIT!: mad:

Thanks again for your help

 

[mina1929]

Thank you for the info...very disappointing.

I don't play slots...only Baccarat and Roulette...Do you know of any online casinos accepting Aussie players with a selection of Live Dealer Tables?


Failing that...it means that I will have to drag my lazy butt off to my local casino...2 hours each way...DAMMIT!: mad:

Thanks again for your help

I don't play them only slots so I am not sure, sorry.

Maybe someone else can give you some more info on that when they read this thread

 

[jetset]

Australian regulator asks New Jersey counterpart for help

REGULATORS UNITE!

New Jersey regulator warns licensees that Australia is now off limits.

Operators and technology and service providers will be mulling a communication this week from the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement that warns recent legislative changes in Australia have re-classified that market as illegal in terms of online casino and poker activity...along with sports betting unless they have a valid Aussie licence.

Liaison between the Australian Communications and Media Authority and the DGE appears to have been the trigger for the New Jersey warning.

InfoPowa readers may recall that the DGE issued an advisory last year on the subject of its operator and service provider licensees operating in countries where gambling legislation is open to interpretation (so-called "grey" markets) cautioning them that such activity could have consequences for their New Jersey approvals.

The DGE subsequently came to an agreement with the Kahnawake Gaming Commission in Canada which saw the KGC warn its licensees not to operate in New Jersey.

In his communication to the DGE, Australian Communications and Media Authority chief Richard Bean reportedly asked that the New Jersey regulator educate its licensees on the changes in Australia to ensure that they did not access Aussie online punters in contravention of local laws.

DGE chief David Rebuck apparently obliged by writing to the legal heads of New Jersey licensed online gambling companies to tell them about the Australian approach, noting that things have changed in Australia, which must now be regarded as a "black" or illegal market, and that “...continued operations in a black market will affect a company’s suitability for licensure in New Jersey.”

Rebuck went on to advise that failure to respect Australia's laws could result in the DGE imposing regulatory penalties on licensees including the revocation or refusal of licenses.

Rebuck's warning is applicable to both operators and service providers, and those who are still active in Australia (many companies have already departed that market) have been asked to explain their continued presence in Australia and what their future plans are regarding compliance with the new gambling laws.

 

[philanderknox]

the Australian government is so bloody greedy i was angry at the old gov for making a pack of smokes over $20 first up but i let that go dealt with it.

I've got a workaround for the smokes. I repatriated to the land of the Poms about seven years ago, and found the local tobacco products unsmoke-able, and unaffordable, so I taught myself the art of producing my own organic 'snout'. You can also cook it up into vaping liquid if you like (goes further that way)

PM me if you are interested, and I'll gladly give you a few pointers.

 

[Radiowave]

Banning the entire online casinos thats so wrong im stuck inside everyday looking after my kid fixing laptops and listening to metal that is my life and nothing helps relive the stress more than a few spins at 32red or slotsmillion