Q&A Ask Me Anything about Slots (AMA) 2020 with Trancemonkey

brizman

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No, RNGs don't factor in anything. If you want to, look up Mersenne Twister - this is one of the most used RNGs. The new QRNG chips will likely make this obsolete at some point...
So everybody...no matter what bet size, time of day, device being used..has the same odds of hitting say a 5000x?
 

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So everybody...no matter what bet size, time of day, device being used..has the same odds of hitting say a 5000x?
Correct. That is the entire principle behind games and the regulations that most jurisdictions have in place and which apply to most games. in every spin, the chance of every possible award must be constant.
 

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Correct. That is the entire principle behind games and the regulations that most jurisdictions have in place and which apply to most games. in every spin, the chance of every possible award must be constant.
In the highroller thread i saw someone mention games can have different rtp-profiles depending on stake.
Wouldnt that mean that the chance for every possible reward is not constant, even tho the rtp is the same?
 

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In the highroller thread i saw someone mention games can have different rtp-profiles depending on stake.
Wouldnt that mean that the chance for every possible reward is not constant, even tho the rtp is the same?
Yes, to be fair, you can have different RTPs by stake. So my apologies, bet size may change the way the game plays, but it is still random at that bet size and it has no knowledge of any previous bets. When playing at the same bet, all outcomes should be constant and always available (and yes there are some exceptions for persistence games, and no those exceptions don't mean they aren't random... )
 

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Yes, to be fair, you can have different RTPs by stake. So my apologies, bet size may change the way the game plays, but it is still random at that bet size and it has no knowledge of any previous bets. When playing at the same bet, all outcomes should be constant and always available (and yes there are some exceptions for persistence games, and no those exceptions don't mean they aren't random... )
So does bet size hits come from a pool of other players that play similar bet size?
 

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What i mean is...say 50 players play a slot at £5..does a slot have to 'take' enough from wagering or stake..to payout a hit at 500x?
On that particular stake?
 

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What i mean is...say 50 players play a slot at £5..does a slot have to 'take' enough from wagering or stake..to payout a hit at 500x?
On that particular stake?
No, there is no "pool". Every spin is independent and you could hit 5000x right after another if you were incredibly lucky as its all random.
 

trancemonkey

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What i mean is...say 50 players play a slot at £5..does a slot have to 'take' enough from wagering or stake..to payout a hit at 500x?
On that particular stake?
Every player has the same chance at the same bet. There is no pool.

There are land based markets with pool functionality (CDS markets such as Washington US) but not online. And in Washington the law stipulates that the pool system must be used
 

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Ok..8 years of trying, I'll eventually hit over 1200x...:D
Wins over 1000x are unbelievably rare, and in most games, probably impossible. Think of it like this, if you had 1% of you RTP in wins over 5000x, then this would happen every half a million games (on average).
 

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Hi all

As the other thread ( Ask me anything (about slots)!),has grown in size to the point where going through it for anyone new would be tedious at best, and impossible at worst, I thought it might be a good idea to start another one.

Let's try and keep this to new members who want to ask someone who works in the industry making games any questions they have OR the usual bunch IF you have new questions or discussions.

So, people, once again - Ask Me Anything :)
what is RTP on bonus? is it average 25.xx% to 26.xx% ?
most of slot average RTP is about 96.xx% but I think is include bonus RTP on it... If slot has 96.xx % rtp is that include bonus rtp of 26.xx % rtp end game rtp about 70%
or I am wrong ?

if you join casino from streams link will affect rtp on my account,and way casinos refusing to remove if you ask from stream link? only option is to close account...

since UK removed bonus buy,do you think they removed for gov benefits or players benefit? many of as now spend more than 100x to get bonus and time spin for 2-3 hrs to get bonus
 
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Halvor

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what is RTP on bonus? is it average 25.xx% to 26.xx% ?
most of slot average RTP is about 96.xx% but I think is include bonus RTP on it... If slot has 96.xx % rtp is that include bonus rtp of 26.xx % rtp end game rtp about 70%
or I am wrong ?

if you join casino from streams link will affect rtp on my account,and way casinos refusing to remove if you ask from stream link? only option is to close account...

since UK removed bonus buy,do you think they removed for gov benefits or players benefit? many of as now spend more than 100x to get bonus and time spin for 2-3 hrs to get bonus
A casino bonus do not affect the rtp what so ever.

How you sign up do not affect the rtp what so ever.

If you hit a bonus on 100 bets on an average, good on you. Most hit rates are a lot higher than that.
 

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A casino bonus do not affect the rtp what so ever.

How you sign up do not affect the rtp what so ever.

If you hit a bonus on 100 bets on an average, good on you. Most hit rates are a lot higher than that.
lol what do you mean casino bonus dont effect ? you really think rtp on bonus is 96.xx%rtp?
we all know doa2 bonus rtp is 25%
when you sign up will affect rtp coz they get pay from are deposits,I ask and casino told me about it,so I had 2 option close account or dont play at all and keep account open
 

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lol what do you mean casino bonus dont effect ? you really think rtp on bonus is 96.xx%rtp?
we all know doa2 bonus rtp is 25%
I think he means the free games bonus, rather than bonus spins. The bonus RTP will range greatly depending on the game. A frequent bonus tends to have more RTP associated with it than an infrequent one. If you look on SlotTracker, and search for you favourite games, if they are tracked on there then you will know...

Normally I would say anywhere between 20 to 40% of the RTP goes towards the bonus, but of course there are games that fall outside of that range.

And no, being removed from streamers aff links will make zero difference, so I wouldn't bother going to that trouble.
 

Halvor

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lol what do you mean casino bonus dont effect ? you really think rtp on bonus is 96.xx%rtp?
we all know doa2 bonus rtp is 25%
when you sign up will affect rtp coz they get pay from are deposits,I ask and casino told me about it,so I had 2 option close account or dont play at all and keep account open
There's not a special "oh you play with bonus funds" rtp...

But of course there's a certain portion of the games rtp allocated to the bonus features.

And no, you don't get a different math for the games if you sign up through affiliate links.
 

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Adding to that, please name, shame and share the conversation with whatever casino that made that outrageous claim.
If there are casinos doing that, then that's really bad... I'm not sure of the legality of that (although its morally bankrupt to do that)... please name and shame :)
 

Halvor

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If there are casinos doing that, then that's really bad... I'm not sure of the legality of that (although its morally bankrupt to do that)... please name and shame :)
If there's a casino doing that it's on unregulated markets and pirate software.

I just love how much supposedly bunkers stuff Game room, bloaty, Andy etc frequently get confirmed from customer support. But yet somehow all of them are completely unwilling to share the conversations :)
 

trancemonkey

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If there's a casino doing that it's on unregulated markets and pirate software.

I just love how much supposedly bunkers stuff Game room, bloaty, Andy etc frequently get confirmed from customer support. But yet somehow all of them are completely unwilling to share the conversations :)
Yeah, from now on, can anyone who gets information of dodgy deals with casinos, please screenshot them and post them on CM. If you dont know how to screenshot, download lightshot :)
 

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