All TopGames Casinos are Down! DDos Attacks!!

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Any topgame representative wish to update us on the status of the topgame servers? Daniel or Noah??
Rome Casino, Rialto Casino, 24boxcasino, blackdiamond casino, and the infamous mayflower and grandmacao is down too.
It seems DISCONNECTED for two-three days already and very unstable for two weeks!

Because of two persons problems, the whole topgame casino is affected. I pity the company (24box, blackdiamond and spartanslots) that just changed their software
to topgame software. They are sandwiched in between! :(
 
Rome Casino and other TG casinos back to regular operation

Hi to all,

I would just like to make it known that Rome Casino, Diceland and other TG casinos have been back to regular activity for the past 48 hours with no hitches or damage to software. The attack only affected communications, and everything has been back online for the last 2 days. All players are welcome.

Kind Regards,

Noah
 
Hi to all,

I would just like to make it known that Rome Casino, Diceland and other TG casinos have been back to regular activity for the past 48 hours with no hitches or damage to software. The attack only affected communications, and everything has been back online for the last 2 days. All players are welcome.

Kind Regards,

Noah

Noah, it's so Wierd, I still can't connect to any one of them... Do I need to re-download the software again and reinstall ?
Any one can connect to their topgame servers?
 
From Noah

Noah, it's so Wierd, I still can't connect to any one of them... Do I need to re-download the software again and reinstall ?
Any one can connect to their topgame servers?

Hello Shahran,

Is this either Rome or Diceland casino you are referring to?

Cheers,

Noah
 
Affiliates are "bread and butter" for most casinos. Can't even imagine that someone would try to cheat them. Once found out, the financial damage will be HUGE, not even talking about the reputation.
 
Guys, lets investigate the situation!

It's very interesting story, but regarding to the proofs - both side published the chat screens and sessions. Can it be true or fake? There are two big differences, just lets investigate the situation, because there is big difference between proofs by both sides:
1. The skype conversation between Dave TG, Ron and Igor posted by Ted.Korbis dated November 14.
The skype screens was taked the same day. Its absolutly confidential conversation and no one of this guys are not interested to publush this information. Who make the screens in the same day and how it can be publish by Ted.Korbis on GPWA forum
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? I'ts absolutly fake.
2. The attack on TG and Rome was started on November 16th.
3. Conversation between Gaby Myflower (Win Palace, aka Gold VIP, aka AffActive) and Dave (TG) dated November 17th (next day). Gaby didn't blame Dave (TG) on attacks against his casions (!!!), he sad, that his attack reason is access to his data. This skype screens can be published by Dave (TG) as evidence that TG and Rome was attacked by Gaby


The simple investigation result:
1. Screens by Ted.Korbis (AffActive) - Fake
2. TG attaks winpalace.com, slotsjungle.com, casinotitan.com... - Deception
3. Screens posted by Topgame - can be real
4. AffActive attacks TG - Fact (AffActive do not even deny it)
 
Hello Shahran,

Is this either Rome or Diceland casino you are referring to?

Cheers,

Noah

Noah,

I am having ongoing connection issues with Diamond VIP as recent as one hour ago. There have been cashier problems for two days -- cc that have always worked in past keep getting declined. I can't log in and then when I log in, it is extremely slow (if I am even able to connect) Games will play for awhile and then will just spin and spin eventually giving me an error message about lost server connection.

Very frustrating especially with trying to play the weekend tourney.

Diane
 
That's not what (at least two) posters are saying. :confused:



Hi to all,

I would just like to make it known that Rome Casino, Diceland and other TG casinos have been back to regular activity for the past 48 hours with no hitches or damage to software. The attack only affected communications, and everything has been back online for the last 2 days. All players are welcome.

Kind Regards,

Noah
 
I know it's just an opinion but I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would still want to risk $$$ at any TG casino after this fiasco, and that isn't discounting all the other complaints of no pay, slow pay. Same goes for the winpalace group. :eek:
 
I know it's just an opinion but I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would still want to risk $$$ at any TG casino after this fiasco, and that isn't discounting all the other complaints of no pay, slow pay. Same goes for the winpalace group. :eek:

My personal reason is that I have done extremely well there, I like their weekend tournaments, and I get paid promptly. There is great customer service and emails to management are replied to within minutes/hours.

It is also a nice change of diet from the RTG dominated slots open to us USA players.

Can't speak for anyone else -- but that's why DIANE still plays TG @ Diamond VIP.

Diane
 
I have only tried Box 24 and BlackDiamond and both have been working just fine for me for a few days. However, just tried to open them both and BD opened fine, but Box24 gives and error message(attached)
 

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My personal reason is that I have done extremely well there, I like their weekend tournaments, and I get paid promptly. There is great customer service and emails to management are replied to within minutes/hours.

It is also a nice change of diet from the RTG dominated slots open to us USA players.

Can't speak for anyone else -- but that's why DIANE still plays TG @ Diamond VIP.

Diane

I understand, I was just expressing my opinion, which is probably worth about 2 cents. :)


Anyway, after what has been said and not said, I'd be concerned that more has went on than they have said, who knows they could have been hacked. Actually there were accusations of that in regards to affiliate info over at GPWA.
 
From Noah

Hey all,

I've notified TG of this and they are checking it out, will update you shortly, they believe it to be a problem with a certain version of the program, following the ddos attack communication protocols changed, and so the error message, they're confident it will be rectified very soon. I will update as soon as I know more.

Kind Regards,

Noah
 
Affiliates are "bread and butter" for most casinos. Can't even imagine that someone would try to cheat them. Once found out, the financial damage will be HUGE, not even talking about the reputation.

You're dreaming. As an experienced affiliate, I find it difficult to believe that most affiliate programs do not cheat affiliates. It so easy to do seeing as the whole system is based on complete trust in the operator reporting statistics honestly.
 
What amazes me is affliates feel like they have been cheated.. but still promotes the casinos. Anyways I guess you have to take the bad with the good and pass all of it to the player. I feel this is just the tip of the bowl and more is to come pouring out.

There has been so much negative stuff about topgame that I'm very surprised that anybody has them on their website..anyhoo
 
What amazes me is affliates feel like they have been cheated.. but still promotes the casinos. Anyways I guess you have to take the bad with the good and pass all of it to the player. I feel this is just the tip of the bowl and more is to come pouring out.

There has been so much negative stuff about topgame that I'm very surprised that anybody has them on their website..anyhoo

You might want to try deposit and request cashout at this one casino group using the topgame software (Spartan Slots, BlackDiamond OR 24boxcasino). Then you can see how professional they are and how fast they
process their cashout within 24 - 72 hours. Not all topgame casinos are bad, I guess DIANE also mentioned that Diamond VIP Club Casino is good.

RomePartners casinos are not bad too BUT their payment is SLOW.. If you want your cashout to be faster, you just need to deposit more and be their VIP players. Once you become their VIP players, your payouts will
be processed EVERY Sunday, just like me. I have no problems with RomePartners Casinos. But when i JUST joined romecasino that, my cashout took 3 - 4 weeks! Same goes to other Topgame casinos.
 
Hey all,

I've notified TG of this and they are checking it out, will update you shortly, they believe it to be a problem with a certain version of the program, following the ddos attack communication protocols changed, and so the error message, they're confident it will be rectified very soon. I will update as soon as I know more.

Kind Regards,

Noah

I was able to connect again and play as usual.

Thanks,
Diane
 
With such a wide selection available from competing companies (I regrettably have to exclude the sorry situation of the US market here) I have to wonder why players would put up with the slow payments and other player-unfriendly behaviour that we have seen showcased here, especially this week.
 
What amazes me is affliates feel like they have been cheated.. but still promotes the casinos. Anyways I guess you have to take the bad with the good and pass all of it to the player. I feel this is just the tip of the bowl and more is to come pouring out.

There has been so much negative stuff about topgame that I'm very surprised that anybody has them on their website..anyhoo

Yeah - this sort of thread does absolutely nothing for the reputations of the companies embroiled in this whole sorry-ass affair, I'm afraid...and it provides fodder for anti-online gambling critics too.
 
Yeah - this sort of thread does absolutely nothing for the reputations of the companies embroiled in this whole sorry-ass affair, I'm afraid...and it provides fodder for anti-online gambling critics too.

Completely agree, this thread and the others concerning this topic on GPWA and elsewhere damage all parties concerned. Somehow I could never see a Ladbrokes, 888, Will Hill, 32Red, insert names of other big gaming companies, resort to using the forums in such a manner.

It raises a very large red flag. Whilst initially mildly entertaining from a voyeur perspective, this whole sorry saga just leaves a bad taste in the mouth and personally makes me ashamed to work in this industry. The sooner regulation happens in the States the better for all concerned. This way the parasites who continue to give our industry a bad name will be pushed out of business.

This also does provide a very valuable lesson for players and affiliates. Please please please do your due diligence before you deposit at a casino or promote a casino to your unsuspecting visitors.
 
From Noah - An apology and statement

Hi Guys,

Listen, on behalf of Rome Partners, we are very sorry it came to this. I know the GPWA thread should not have gone the way it did. Yes we made serious accusations in the few posts we made, we felt that under the circumstances it was important to inform everyone about these attacks and their origins. We never meant to inconvenience any of the members or anyone else, and we are sorry that happened. We felt we were defending ourselves from someone with much better technological abilities.

We'd like to also apologize for airing this out in public, we will be handling this through the proper channels from now on and we will be pursuing legal action. That is it for our posting on the subject, we won't be discussing it again. We just wanted to apologize to you all.

Kind Regards,

Noah
 
Hi Guys,

Listen, on behalf of Rome Partners, we are very sorry it came to this. I know the GPWA thread should not have gone the way it did. Yes we made serious accusations in the few posts we made, we felt that under the circumstances it was important to inform everyone about these attacks and their origins. We never meant to inconvenience any of the members or anyone else, and we are sorry that happened. We felt we were defending ourselves from someone with much better technological abilities.

We'd like to also apologize for airing this out in public, we will be handling this through the proper channels from now on and we will be pursuing legal action. That is it for our posting on the subject, we won't be discussing it again. We just wanted to apologize to you all.

Kind Regards,

Noah

You haven't done that already:confused::eek2:
 
With such a wide selection available from competing companies (I regrettably have to exclude the sorry situation of the US market here) I have to wonder why players would put up with the slow payments and other player-unfriendly behaviour that we have seen showcased here, especially this week.

Exactly.

Even more surprising is that some affys here have championed and defended such operators irrespective of these awful anti-player policies. One can only assume they were placing money ahead of the interests of the players who trust them to be pointed in the right direction. It certainly does nothing for their reputation in my eyes, along with others I am sure.

None of them have come out and stated "this isn't good enough" and pulled their links etc. In fact, silence seems to be the order of the day. Yes, it is true that nothing has been proven either way, but the public behaviour itself should be enough for any ethical affiliate to warn their players well away from both sides.
 
None of them have come out and stated "this isn't good enough" and pulled their links etc. In fact, silence seems to be the order of the day. Yes, it is true that nothing has been proven either way, but the public behaviour itself should be enough for any ethical affiliate to warn their players well away from both sides.

Who said no one pulled links? Pulling links has become the major part of work for me these days. Used to be easy - come to CM, see what's going on, occasionally pull a link.

Now player issues are less frequent than aff issues, and the links pulled because of player issues are in the minority. Prohibition traditionally attracts a criminal element, and it hasn't failed to do so this time.

It's a jungle out there anymore, and I for one can't wait for regulation.

Like everyone says, places in regulated places excempted. There are plenty of great places accessible to Europeans.
 
Who said no one pulled links? Pulling links has become the major part of work for me these days. Used to be easy - come to CM, see what's going on, occasionally pull a link.

Now player issues are less frequent than aff issues, and the links pulled because of player issues are in the minority. Prohibition traditionally attracts a criminal element, and it hasn't failed to do so this time.

It's a jungle out there anymore, and I for one can't wait for regulation.

Like everyone says, places in regulated places excempted. There are plenty of great places accessible to Europeans.

I wasn't including you there Dom :)

Just a few that I know of.

I agree with what you say.
 
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I think that players should be very careful with Topgame based casinos.

Topgame as a casinos supplier is still listed in the rogue pit under the "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence"-section.

Topgame based casinos in general will often have clauses in their T&C that I find unacceptable, especially regarding "in the spirit of the bonus" and withdrawal restrictions. For example this random clause from Diamond VIP:

-All Deposits of 249 USD and less have a max withdrawal of 10X for that specific play session

Members here should also know that many of the Topgame based casinos are owned and operated by Morriyen Investments. This is the same group that also own/operate casinos listed in the rogue section here at Casinomeister, for example Mighty Slots (reason: No Pay - no response - spammers).

If you choose to play at for example Rome Casino or Diamond VIP (both of them owned and operated by Morriyen Investments), then you are supporting the operation of other rogue casinos.

I also think that members should be careful about recommending these casinos to fellow members on this forum.

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I think that players should be very careful with Topgame based casinos.

Topgame as a casinos supplier is still listed in the rogue pit under the "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence"-section.

Topgame based casinos in general will often have clauses in their T&C that I find unacceptable, especially regarding "in the spirit of the bonus" and withdrawal restrictions. For example this random clause from Diamond VIP:

-All Deposits of 249 USD and less have a max withdrawal of 10X for that specific play session

Members here should also know that many of the Topgame based casinos are owned and operated by Morriyen Investments. This is the same group that also own/operate casinos listed in the rogue section here at Casinomeister, for example Mighty Slots (reason: No Pay - no response - spammers).

If you choose to play at for example Rome Casino or Diamond VIP (both of them owned and operated by Morriyen Investments), then you are supporting the operation of other rogue casinos.

I also think that members should be careful about recommending these casinos to fellow members on this forum.

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WTF is that about:confused:


I thought Diamond VIP was supposed to be one of the better ones.

I also wonder why Morriyen Investments are involved, as Rome always advertises itself as "Rome Partners", and their rep does his best to distance the operation from the rogue end of the market.

If Morriyen are REALLY the ones in charge, it appears that Rome Partners is merely a "corporate disguise" being used in much the same way Virtual group subdivide their empire to make it hard for players to avoid playing at a known rogue.

If Morriyen dictate a certain rogue way of doing business in general, why would Rome be any safer a place to play than one of their other properties already found out and dumped into the pit.

This seems to suggest that this recent fiasco is not a simple case of bully & victim, but two businesses, both of whom do business in an equally rogue manner, coming to blows over a running dispute between them. Recourse to the law was NOT their first option, instead they went for the internet equivalent of a "hitman", with one getting their "hit" in first, leaving the other to squeal "unfair".

Maybe Rome partners, at the behest of their Merriyen bosses, WERE doing something along the lines of what Affactive accused them of, so Affactive got their "hit" in first, giving Rome and Top Game something more important to do than poach players and staff.

The staff disagreement may have stemmed from Rome getting inside secrets from the staff poached from competitor brands, and using this information (player lists even) to further their own business.

The fact that both parties seemed to view the law as the LAST resort suggests that they had both KNOWINGLY placed themselves beyond the reach of any EFFECTIVE law enforcement in order to conduct business the way they wanted, without having to worry about any interference from regulators, governments, and players taking legal action when screwed.

This meant THEY had no proper access to any legal recourse when THEY got screwed by a like minded competitor, and knowing this, decided that using the law would not work, so went for the "extra judicial" option of "taking the law into their own hands", and using DDos, blackmail, bullying, etc to get their way. This INCLUDED a campaign of propaganda conducted on the better known internet forums, where each side claims the other is lying, both sides say "they started it" and are "reluctantly" having to "finish it" by taking similar extra judicial measures.

Rather than trying to figure out who is the victim, and who is the rogue, BOTH should be avoided by both players and affiliates until this whole thing is over, and BOTH sides open up to an indepentent investigation of who did what & when, and sign a peace deal that promises this will not happen again.

This unfortunately leaves US players with RTG and 3 Dice, so it is asking US players to take a disproportionate share of the "pain", as they may have to quit altogether, rather than move their play to other operations.
 
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I think that players should be very careful with Topgame based casinos.

Topgame as a casinos supplier is still listed in the rogue pit under the "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence"-section.

Topgame based casinos in general will often have clauses in their T&C that I find unacceptable, especially regarding "in the spirit of the bonus" and withdrawal restrictions. For example this random clause from Diamond VIP:

-All Deposits of 249 USD and less have a max withdrawal of 10X for that specific play session

Members here should also know that many of the Topgame based casinos are owned and operated by Morriyen Investments. This is the same group that also own/operate casinos listed in the rogue section here at Casinomeister, for example Mighty Slots (reason: No Pay - no response - spammers).

If you choose to play at for example Rome Casino or Diamond VIP (both of them owned and operated by Morriyen Investments), then you are supporting the operation of other rogue casinos.

I also think that members should be careful about recommending these casinos to fellow members on this forum.

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I know nothing of the ownership structure, but do realize that my choice to play at Diamond VIP is a personal one that does go against my usual basic advice of "stick to the accredited casinos on CM".

Everyone should keep on their guard at ANY casino since even accredited ones can go Rogue in a heartbeat. That's why we keep coming here to CM to stay on top of problems and new opportunities, right?

After 2+ years of online play (very short time compared to many members of these forum) I have had the full gamut of experiences with a wide range of casinos as I experimented and blundered around trying this or that new casino, got enticed by great deposit bonuses etc. I have learned to be discriminatory in where I play compared to when I first started.

Those of us in the US also get tired of the steady diet of RTG dominated casino software platforms. So we/I do look around and try new ones occasionally.

Diamond VIP has treated me extremely well. They are not accredited here, but there are also a wide range of casinos between Accredited and Rogue that get high ratings from others on this forum. When I first joined Diamond VIP I was incredibly focused on their tough T&C's. These need to be updated since many of the ones that still appear on the website have not been enforced at least with me and my play.

As with many businesses, better customers get better treatment. When in doubt, then fall back on the T&C's. But I can honestly say that I thoroughly enjoy Diamond VIP, feel badly when it takes a "hit" here on the forum, and do give them regular feedback when things seem to go awry with another CM member and it surfaces as a posting.

So while I am reminded regularly (by people on the forum that I respect, such as Rainmaker) that I should not be recommending a casino ------ let's leave it that, my experiences have been favorable.
I continue to play there if not daily, almost daily -- and my payments come regular as clockwork.

From posts of others on the Forum regarding other casinos including accredited casinos ------ there have been payment glitches. Payments have been dragged out far beyond quoted terms for a variety of reasons. Sometimes good communication, sometimes poor or none. So accredited, rogue, or unlisted, casinos have issues from time to time.

I know nothing of the DDOS attack except what I have read here. There were some connection issues as recent as yesterday, but those are resolved. I played at Diamond VIP earlier today for a few hours continuing to earn credit towards their weekend $100k tourney. No technical issues at all.

For those who don't feel safe there, don't play. For those who don't like their T&C's as currently written, don't play there. If you have any reservations -- go play where you feel most comfortable. That's what I have chosen to do.

FWIW,

Diane
 
WTF is that about:confused:


I thought Diamond VIP was supposed to be one of the better ones.

I also wonder why Morriyen Investments are involved, as Rome always advertises itself as "Rome Partners", and their rep does his best to distance the operation from the rogue end of the market.

If Morriyen are REALLY the ones in charge, it appears that Rome Partners is merely a "corporate disguise" being used in much the same way Virtual group subdivide their empire to make it hard for players to avoid playing at a known rogue.

If Morriyen dictate a certain rogue way of doing business in general, why would Rome be any safer a place to play than one of their other properties already found out and dumped into the pit.

This seems to suggest that this recent fiasco is not a simple case of bully & victim, but two businesses, both of whom do business in an equally rogue manner, coming to blows over a running dispute between them. Recourse to the law was NOT their first option, instead they went for the internet equivalent of a "hitman", with one getting their "hit" in first, leaving the other to squeal "unfair".

Maybe Rome partners, at the behest of their Merriyen bosses, WERE doing something along the lines of what Affactive accused them of, so Affactive got their "hit" in first, giving Rome and Top Game something more important to do than poach players and staff.

The staff disagreement may have stemmed from Rome getting inside secrets from the staff poached from competitor brands, and using this information (player lists even) to further their own business.

The fact that both parties seemed to view the law as the LAST resort suggests that they had both KNOWINGLY placed themselves beyond the reach of any EFFECTIVE law enforcement in order to conduct business the way they wanted, without having to worry about any interference from regulators, governments, and players taking legal action when screwed.

This meant THEY had no proper access to any legal recourse when THEY got screwed by a like minded competitor, and knowing this, decided that using the law would not work, so went for the "extra judicial" option of "taking the law into their own hands", and using DDos, blackmail, bullying, etc to get their way. This INCLUDED a campaign of propaganda conducted on the better known internet forums, where each side claims the other is lying, both sides say "they started it" and are "reluctantly" having to "finish it" by taking similar extra judicial measures.

Rather than trying to figure out who is the victim, and who is the rogue, BOTH should be avoided by both players and affiliates until this whole thing is over, and BOTH sides open up to an indepentent investigation of who did what & when, and sign a peace deal that promises this will not happen again.

This unfortunately leaves US players with RTG and 3 Dice, so it is asking US players to take a disproportionate share of the "pain", as they may have to quit altogether, rather than move their play to other operations.

Diamond VIP is one of the better ones - IMO, let's leave it at that, since I responded in detail to Rainmaker's post.

However, in response to your's USA Based Players also have other choices besides RTG and 3Dice, but everyone needs to check out their recent history and status with CM before proceeding and making their choice to play --- I'm not recommending, just saying there are other choices. Now some may say that due to experience or whatever that these are good or bad choices --but here are some that I still would consider playing at if I wanted a change of pace.

Slotland
Genesys Group (Treasure Mile, Lucky Creek, etc.)
Vegas2Web (still a little sore about their delayed payment to me, but haven't rule them out totally)
Lucky Club
Liberty Slots

FWIW,
Diane
 
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RomePartners casinos are not bad too BUT their payment is SLOW.. If you want your cashout to be faster, you just need to deposit more and be their VIP players. Once you become their VIP players, your payouts will
be processed EVERY Sunday, just like me. I have no problems with RomePartners Casinos. But when i JUST joined romecasino that, my cashout took 3 - 4 weeks! Same goes to other Topgame casinos.

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What amazes me is affliates feel like they have been cheated.. but still promotes the casinos. Anyways I guess you have to take the bad with the good and pass all of it to the player. I feel this is just the tip of the bowl and more is to come pouring out.

There has been so much negative stuff about topgame that I'm very surprised that anybody has them on their website..anyhoo

What amazes me is that retailers know there is shoplifting, yet they still sell products. See how that works? The problem is as an affiliate you know it happens, but it is very difficult to prove. It can have absolutely no effect on a player if the program starts shaving an affiliate so I'm not sure where you're going with that one. The difficult ones are programs that "legitimately shave" by writing FU clauses into the affiliate T&Cs but still provide excellent service to players.

As for top game, they have been blacklisted on the sites I own for a long time. Affactive casinos are also very lowly regarded, so I see this fight as a schoolyard squabble between two insignificant kids arguing over a half eaten sandwich.
 
This in from Rome Casino - wanted me to post this:

Morriyen is just a payment processing company. It doesn't own RomePartners then RomePartners itself isn't a registered company anywhere else either. The company that owns the casinos is called Synergy, in fact and I'd be happy to send you documents to that effect if you need them. We are guilty of only one thing here: We provide ONLY their legal coded 7995 processing solutions. You see, when you have a casino site and you want payment processing, you must disclose the company that the settlements are going to at the bottom of the page. So if you look around at all the sites, you will see that the company listed at the bottom is not always the one you think owns but the one that does its credit card processing.

Vinyl, I have no RTG casinos and if you give me your email address, I'd be happy to send you email correspondence as early as last week showing how I was still just now getting pricing from Remy (Manager at RTG) for possibly starting one in the near future. I will do any screen sharing of my email inbox to prove that we don't own ANY RTG Casinos, we only provide the coded processing and fraud detection tools. (I own a PSP) (Payment Services Provider company integrated with banks).
 
Morriyen Investments

A quick search shows that this "lie" is ingrained into the cyber conciousness of the internet.

On the Diamond VIP casino site.

This website is owned and operated by Morriyen Investments.

This hardly gives the impression that they "only do the processing", and that in fact Synergy owns the show.

Why have this plastered all over the Top Game & Rome Partners portfolio when it should have said "This website is owned and operated by Synergy".

The clear message here is that Rome Partners is an entity owned by Morriyen Investments, and this is not only reflected on the websites, but numerous casino review websites list Morriyen Investments as owning a stable of Top Game casinos using Rome Partners to manage the affiliate side.

Now for Mighty Slots.

At the bottom of the site is this:-

This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. Anti fraud by Morriyen Investments.

This at least backs up the statement Rome asked Bryan to publish. Morriyen is only involved with Curgam Malta as a subcontractor, as they run their fraud checks for them.

Of course, this means that where players have had winnings confiscated due to accusations of fraud from Curgam Malta casinos, it is Morriyen Investments that pointed the finger, not Curgam Malta.

On one site, Morriyen appears to be a payment processing company, yet on ther other it owns and operates a stable of casinos, as well as presumably doing the processing for them "in house". The evidence at least supports the statement that Rome/Morriyen/Synergy do not "own" any of the casinos in this other group, so should not be considered rogue simply because they do some anti-fraud checks for them.


Now, when payments take "forever" from Top Game, it is NOT a "third party processor", but an "in house" processor, that is giving everybody the runaround.

Evidence available is conflicting, so it is hard to determine where the "real truth" lies, and where the "spin" hides it from view.

Morriyen itself does not seem to have it's own website, which is pretty odd for a company that is so heavily involved in processing ONLINE payments. How do they expect to gain business from other operators looking for a payment processing company without even the most basic online presence.

It seems even this statement is more "spin" than "bare facts".
 
What amazes me is that retailers know there is shoplifting, yet they still sell products. See how that works? The problem is as an affiliate you know it happens, but it is very difficult to prove. It can have absolutely no effect on a player if the program starts shaving an affiliate so I'm not sure where you're going with that one. The difficult ones are programs that "legitimately shave" by writing FU clauses into the affiliate T&Cs but still provide excellent service to players.

As for top game, they have been blacklisted on the sites I own for a long time. Affactive casinos are also very lowly regarded, so I see this fight as a schoolyard squabble between two insignificant kids arguing over a half eaten sandwich.

I'm not sure that example is at all applicable. Shoplifting involves the theft of goods by the customer I.e. the end user. What we're talking about here is theft by the "supplier" from the retailer. It's kinda like the bubble gum wholesaler supplying boxes of 500 pieces that actually contain 490-498 per box. The supplier knows the retailer is unlikely to count each piece so they can do it pretty much all the time. Even if the retailer complains he is 5 pieces short, the supplier could say "well we put 500 in there so tough cookies".

Of course, this retailer could change bubble gum suppliers right? As it turns out however,
ALL the bubble gum suppliers are doing it! So what does the retailer do then? His customers love their bubble gum and will go elsewhere if he can't provide it, so he goes with the supplier who appears to be ripping him off less.....and that is the dilemma of the affiliate....they may know they are being shaved, but how can they prove it? It's almost impossible, so it comes down to trust. If you're making good money, and your players are happy, do you throw it all away because you suspect you should be getting more?

Just like the retailer, he has to have bubble gum in his shop or his customers will go elsewhere, so he takes the best of the worst as his supplier.
 
Now for Mighty Slots.

At the bottom of the site is this:-This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. Anti fraud by Morriyen Investments.

Interesting to see that they have changed it. This screenshot shows what it used to say on their site:

2011-Mighty Slots
This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. and Morriyen Investments


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As VWM pointed out, when he visited the site now it said "This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. Anti fraud by Morriyen Investments"

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A further half hour with over a million results whittled down to -86 by getting rid of casino related hits (just shows HOW ingrained into the internet this "lie" that Morriyen runs casinos is:rolleyes:), and I stumble upon a "baby" website still "under construction" for Morriyen Investments with a grand total of 4 pages, and one "error - under construction" link (which oddly, was the most interesting one to have been able to look at).


As the name suggests, they are NOT "just a processing company", but one of these "investment fund" type vehicles where private investors pool their money, and a panel of analysts invest it wisely in order to produce a return.

There is no company address on the website, but this has appeared elsewhere, Cyprus.

It is quite likely therefore that Morriyen Investments DOES own Rome Partners casinos, as well as owning the processing company. They probably own a hell of a lot more too!

Odd that they have only JUST started a website, given that they are trying to pull in investment.

It looks rather like one of those "dummy" companies set up to hide the REAL ownership of something, rather than a GENUINE pooled investment fund trying to attract money from wealthy individuals.

As for Synergy - absolutely NO trace of it (relating to operating online casinos) at all! I would suspect that "Synergy" is nothing more than a subsidiary vehicle set up by Merriyen Investments to group together the online casinos running as "Rome Partners".

It really doesn't matter whether we say "owned by Synergy" or "owned by Merriyen Investments". Both serve the purpose of hiding the names of the actual owner/investors of these casinos.

Mighty Slots have probably got it wrong in quoting the Investment Fund itself as "providing anti-fraud", rather than the processing company owned by Morriyen Investments as part of it's portfolio as providing the service.
 
Just to add some info.

My screenshot from Mighty Slots shows that is says:

"This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. and Morriyen Investments"

As VWM pointed out, when he visited the site now it said "This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. Anti fraud by Morriyen Investments".

They have changed the information. It originally did say "This website is owned and operated by Curgam Malta Ltd. and Morriyen Investments".

IMO Rome and Co. were dodgy from the get-go.....and this kind of thing just proves it.

I don't think.it really matters who owns or doesn't own what....the smell that's been generated just by itself is enough to convince me that they can't be trusted.

Same goes for Winpalace and co. who have their own skeletons in the closet and refuse to answer questions about their links to GoldVIP. Still, it doesn't seem to bother some affys who are still promoting them, but I guess the high conversion rates and income discussed over at gpwa are too good to pass up.
 
I'm not sure that example is at all applicable. Shoplifting involves the theft of goods by the customer I.e. the end user. What we're talking about here is theft by the "supplier" from the retailer. It's kinda like the bubble gum wholesaler supplying boxes of 500 pieces that actually contain 490-498 per box. The supplier knows the retailer is unlikely to count each piece so they can do it pretty much all the time. Even if the retailer complains he is 5 pieces short, the supplier could say "well we put 500 in there so tough cookies".

Of course, this retailer could change bubble gum suppliers right? As it turns out however,
ALL the bubble gum suppliers are doing it! So what does the retailer do then? His customers love their bubble gum and will go elsewhere if he can't provide it, so he goes with the supplier who appears to be ripping him off less.....and that is the dilemma of the affiliate....they may know they are being shaved, but how can they prove it? It's almost impossible, so it comes down to trust. If you're making good money, and your players are happy, do you throw it all away because you suspect you should be getting more?

Just like the retailer, he has to have bubble gum in his shop or his customers will go elsewhere, so he takes the best of the worst as his supplier.

Exactly right. I know my original analogy is not exactly the same, but the point is that being shaved is an unavoidable cost of doing business as an affiliate, just like shoplifting is for retailers. For someone to come and say "I couldn't even dream that affiliates would be shaved" is incredibly naive, especially if said person represents a casino software supplier.
 
IMO Rome and Co. were dodgy from the get-go.....and this kind of thing just proves it.

I don't think.it really matters who owns or doesn't own what....the smell that's been generated just by itself is enough to convince me that they can't be trusted.

Same goes for Winpalace and co. who have their own skeletons in the closet and refuse to answer questions about their links to GoldVIP. Still, it doesn't seem to bother some affys who are still promoting them, but I guess the high conversion rates and income discussed over at gpwa are too good to pass up.

Agreed. Affactive are probably gold for affiliates who actively promote them because they deliberately slow pay players and have high withdrawal minimums ($100 minimum from memory) and low maximums. That probably means they have a far higher rate of withdrawal reversals or frustrated winners who play again and lose winnings, and a lower rate of smaller cashouts. It doesn't take a genius to work out that means more profit for the casino. And I believe they pay affiliates in a timely manner, which is odd considering how slowly they dribble out money to players.
 
This links to 99slots machines, mighty slots, etc. and others in that group should further the case that anyone associated with this organization means players ought to take serious heed about playing there.

Pleading ignorance and saying that just because you've been treated well and you keep playing, just doesn't cut it, imo. Sorry to be harsh, but there are way too many things that should drive players in other directions.
 
This links to 99slots machines, mighty slots, etc. and others in that group should further the case that anyone associated with this organization means players ought to take serious heed about playing there.

Yes, I agree with you here. This is messy.

And the explanation from the Rome Casino rep (that Bryan posted) shows us at what level this is. Rome Casino is actually writing on their casino site that Morriyen Investments is the owner of romecasino.com, while the rep is telling us that Morriyen is just a payment processing company. He also indicates that this is a "completely normal" practice for casinos. I do not know about Topgame based casinos, but this is certainly not the norm for reputable casinos.

But as Nifty said, it really does not matter who owns what in this mess. We can never really understand it anyway :)
 
This links to 99slots machines, mighty slots, etc. and others in that group should further the case that anyone associated with this organization means players ought to take serious heed about playing there.

Pleading ignorance and saying that just because you've been treated well and you keep playing, just doesn't cut it, imo. Sorry to be harsh, but there are way too many things that should drive players in other directions.

Hey..............hold on a minute, since I assume you are referring to ME and my money --

I am totally unaware of any ownership positions at ANY of the sites that I play at. I don't know who owns Club World Group, JPC, Lucky Club etc......ownership has never mattered to me. Maybe it should, but its not on my list of questions when I decide to play at a site. I check the site out here on CM, do an internet search, check with some of my online gaming friends, and then decide if I want to give it a try or not.

My money = My risk

Being treated well by a site - "cuts it" just fine to me.

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Maybe my personal love affair with Diamond VIP right now will go sour in the future and I will sing a different tune, no one knows. I like it now just fine and have liked it since I started playing there March of this year. If it goes sour, I was warned. (repeatedly by members here -- I hear you, but I have chosen to continue playing my money at their site)

Slots Oasis treated me well, then they ran into payment issues. I just started going back to Slots Oasis...slowly and cautiously. I like SlotO'Cash a lot and they changed, I liked EH Group they went out of business, I like the MG slots I could play in past, those are gone too. Same with using Paypal for online poker several years ago at sites like Party Poker, Highlands Poker, UB, Planet Poker, Full Tilt, QT, and EWX......all gone.

Everything changes sooner or later. Maybe I will become unhappy with Diamond VIP at some point. It has happened with other favorite sites. But if it happens, I promise I won't come here and whine.

I would however, post an informational piece -- because that's what I do here, share my experiences. That's why I like CM, we share ideas, experiences, and information.

FWIW,
Diane
 
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