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If you are against the Bailout Legistlation you can sign the petition against it at:

www.freedomworks.org

click on "blog" to locate the form

I listened to the CEO of Freedom Works on C-Span he was highly informed on the issues and his organization has been fight "big government" for years. He gave many intelligent reasons why this Bailout should not move forward.
 
If you are against the Bailout Legistlation you can sign the petition against it at:

www.freedomworks.org

click on "blog" to locate the form

I listened to the CEO of Freedom Works on C-Span he was highly informed on the issues and his organization has been fight "big government" for years. He gave many intelligent reasons why this Bailout should not move forward.

Yes, but is _anyone_ willing to gamble on what may happen if this bill does not pass? I think we're screwed either way it goes.

Also, it's too little too late. It's too far gone right now, and will pass, even if they were to get 50,000,000 signatures. I think we all know what American's voices mean nowdays - ZILCH.
 
WELL DOING NOTHING IS WHY WE HAVE NO VOICE IN OUR FATE

Believe me, I know how you feel. We are helpless. But I am all for expressing me opinion when I get the chance. I email my Representatives on a routine basis regarding Legislation I disagree with and even send emails thanking them for voting on legislation I do agree with.

The "sheeple" do nothing because they believe we can not force change in our Government. I believe if we could organize like they did in the 60's and revolt "in mass" we can force change.

How do you rally a public that has given up? Working their asses off to make ends meet, seeing their after tax income decreasing consistantly and cost of living rising. Getting 2nd Mortgages to pay for Secondary education because our Government only subsidizes "low-income" students.

According to the CEO of Freedom Works and many Economists we should let the Economy make this correction without intertervention. I do believe there are many families that really did not qualify for the mortgages they have. Perhaps if we allow the correction and home prices that are extremely inflated in many many parts of the country take a hit, these families will be able to afford a home in the future.

Our Profit Sharing plan will most likely take a huge hit. So I understand what you are concerned about.

To compensate for the huge amount of forclosures they are trying to prevent, why not rework these mortgages allowing people to keep their homes and prevent a flood of homes sitting on the market; without bailing out the predatory lenders.

Give taxpayers higher deductions for educational expenses, reduce income tax rate. In other words, attempt to make tax rules/changes that will help compensate taxpayers (at least for 2008/2009) for the losses this correction will cause them to incur. not spending the money for the bailout should make up for the actions I am suggesting
 
You guys think you feel helpless, my Senator is Larry Craig (The bathroom foot tapping weirdo).

I sent him an email anyway...
But he knows me and I do believe he truly hates me. I tried my best to get him impeached after the bathroom arrest. I went on the Radio news and Radio talk shows all over my state, I also wrote articles for the local news paper asking Craig to keep his word and resign and I even put up a little website gathering signatures for his impeachment.
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If the US government is going to bail out anyone, it should be the homeowners that were scammed by the Banks.

The Banks and credit card companies have been practicing predatory lending for years.

Predatory lending was illegal until the neo-cons took control. Before the neo-cons predatory lending was considered to be the exclusive low life practice of gangster loan sharks. But the neo-cons wanted that changed. So they removed all the Banking protections(regulations) that F.D.R. put in place after the last great depression. Those protections were put in place by F.D.R. to stop another great depression from happening again.

And this is where we end up, when we refuse to learn from the lessons of the past.
 
Any good Economist will tell you that the DOW is NOT an indicator of how well our Economy is going.

Ever wonder why a companies stock price goes up when a company lays off people or goes down when a company hires people?
So according to this logic, people being laid off from work is 'good' for the Economy... NOT!

Don't use the DOW as an indicator... Even if the Media, Bankers and large Companies want you too.
 
Any good Economist will tell you that the DOW is NOT an indicator of how well our Economy is going.

Ever wonder why a companies stock price goes up when a company lays off people?
So according to this logic, people being laid off from work is 'good' for the Economy... NOT!

oh, I know...but a bad dow = makes it horrible for the "working" class in the long run.
 
Well, I see all this as an opportunity to shake up our government and our economy to make some long needed changes.

Not screwed, but new and improved....

Quit listening to all the fear mongers in the main stream media... They will make you crazy.
 
Yea Win, lots0 has some good points there and the best way I have ever figured out to truly judge how the economy is really doing is just to simply pick up a major metropolitan newspaper and turn to the job ads and then look under the "construction heading", since this is the country's largest single industry that trickles down to almost ever thing you can possibly imagine...if there aren't that many construction jobs being advertised then the economy is definitely not doing well at all..

The guy that works for a small machine shop tooling a simple screw for a dishwasher part etc, will be affected by the amount of construction jobs being created...the guy selling cars will be affected from the construction industry trickling down...it goes on and on and on...
 
Our Economy is in trouble, I don't think there is any doubt about that.

Construction jobs have dried up in my area. Of course all that effects around here now is the local population of illegal aliens that work all the non-union construction jobs and most of them are going home to Mexico to find work... (about damn time they went home IMO)

But even if our economy is currently trashed, it is ONLY temporary, as long as we have good leadership to lead us out of the Depression.

Our Country has suffered one great depression already and came out of it stronger than ever before (actually stronger than any country ever in history).

I know we can do it again.
 
World War II did help, but what helped more than that was the fact that we had factories then that actually manufactured a tangible product, the problem now is we no longer have all those factory jobs, we don't hardly make anything here any more, most all of those jobs have been shipped overseas...and we also had great leadership back then that led us out of the Great Depression...I don't think we have that in either candidate they are cramming down our throats this time...:eek2:

There were also more construction jobs created during that time than any other time in the country's history too because of all the road building that was allocated then to help overcome the depression...
 
Sure, but too bad it took WWII to bring us out. Are we ready for a WWIII? :rolleyes:
I don't believe that is totally correct.

Our Country was well on it's way to full recovery before WW2, those factories that made tanks and guns had mostly all started running and hiring people well before we entered WW2, they were making washing machines, stoves, fridges, radios and lots of other goods before the war.

What helped to made the recovery possible were the regulations laid down by F.D.R. on the Banking and Stock exchange and the other steps he took to get our economy back on track.
 
World War II did help, but what helped more than that was the fact that we had factories then that actually manufactured a tangible product, the problem now is we no longer have all those factory jobs, we don't hardly make anything here any more, most all of those jobs have been shipped overseas...and we also had great leadership back then that led us out of the Great Depression...I don't think we have that in either candidate they are cramming down our throats this time...:eek2:

There were also more construction jobs created during that time than any other time in the country's history too because of all the road building that was allocated then to help overcome the depression...

Ya the Banks and Wall Street helped ship all our good manufacturing jobs overseas in order to save themselves a few dollars on labor costs... Well they sure are going to save some money on labor costs now... IMO that is another reason NOT to bail out these bankers and wall street blood suckers.
 
Our Economy is in trouble, I don't think there is any doubt about that.

Construction jobs have dried up in my area. Of course all that effects around here now is the local population of illegal aliens that work all the non-union construction jobs and most of them are going home to Mexico to find work... (about damn time they went home IMO)

But even if our economy is currently trashed, it is ONLY temporary, as long as we have good leadership to lead us out of the Depression.

Our Country has suffered one great depression already and came out of it stronger than ever before (actually stronger than any country ever in history).

I know we can do it again.

I would love to think that would happen, but............. I truly believe that we have used all of our eggs in the basket. Let em explain.

In the 80's, Ronald Reagen deregulated the banking industry. Great. Deregulation in theory is supposed to promote growth and competition in which it did. We had tremendous growth in the 90's, exuberant growth in stocks related to this etc. Everybody made loads of money.

Fast forward to 9/11. We suffer a terrorist attack, our markets fall, , instead of having 5 major banks like we did in the 80's we have twice that amount, plus all of the boutique banks and investment firms newly created by our policy of the 80's. To the spur the economy, the fed bank lowers interest rates to new levels. Great, it's time to buy new house or use an equity line of credit as it has never been so cheap to do so.

The banks are awash in new business, the real estate side is bringing in more money than it knows what to do with. The thought throughout the industry is we can now begin to package lost cost loans to subprime borrowers, sell them to investment banks on wall street, who will package them and sell them as securities to somebody else. What a great pyramid scheme.The new business will support the old business. Except there is one problem. The new business doesn't have the money to pay their loans and mortgages.

Loans are in default, houses are in foreclosure, banks are sitting with property that can't sell, there are not buyers with enough good credit to bail out the industry that they created.

The banks and investments firms stock are now nearly worthless, everybody is layed off. Inflation is at near depression levels. The government debt has never been so high.

So, who is going to bail out the government?
 
You know what is scary Rob? If the government finally does approve an aid package, which I regret to say is needed for the future of our financial security, our generation is the one to pay for this.I assume you are my age, a stunning late 30 or 40ish stud as per your avi:D
 
You know what is scary Rob? If the government finally does approve an aid package, which I regret to say is needed for the future of our financial security, our generation is the one to pay for this.I assume you are my age, a stunning late 30ish stud as per your avi:D

:D Yep, you purdy much hit the nail right on the head there Mercy, I couldn't have described myself any better...:notworthy:thumbsup:
 
I was just watching the Jay Leno show and his guest is Russell Crowe and he just made a comment that really made a hell of a lot of sense, he said...instead of giving all of these banks and the wall street tycoons $700 billion for their mistakes, why not just give the 300 million Americans one million dollars each (tax free) and let them choose what to do with it...this way the economy would be noticeably stimulated a hell of a lot faster than with the $700 billion bailout and the citizens would definitely be on board !! :thumbsup:
 
That is a stunning answer. My gawd, we would all be millionaires with money to spare.
 
I was just watching the Jay Leno show and his guest is Russell Crowe and he just made a comment that really made a hell of a lot of sense, he said...instead of giving all of these banks and the wall street tycoons $700 billion for their mistakes, why not just give the 300 million Americans one million dollars each (tax free) and let them choose what to do with it...this way the economy would be noticeably stimulated a hell of a lot faster than with the $700 billion bailout and the citizens would definitely be on board !! :thumbsup:

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That'll be the day. Be lucky that we got our $3-600 stimulus payment. :rolleyes:
 
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Spending 700 million on the "bail out" might as well burn the money!

Makes sence to provide low interest FHA loans to those who are in foreclosure and who's income can support the refi. Better than worthless debt and flooded real estate market.

or, just let the home market make the correction and compensate tax payers with a one-time deduction based upon loss of value or similar provision. Low home prices will mean more buyers can afford homes. Less homes on market hight prices; law of supply and demand


Also, allow all investors regardless of income bracket to deduct interest and expenses on second homes. The tax law on this changed and excluded higher income brackets from this deduction about 18 years ago. When they did that there were a flood of homes on the market. Home prices went down. Allowing this deduction will entice investors and those wanting a second/vaction home

Economist have already suggested using the 700 billion to stimulate the economy by giving it to taxpayers is more effective than bailing out mismanaged companies.
 
Anyone see the stock market today?

I guess saying the DOW went through the roof would be overstating.... Naaa

I heard all the talking heads on the main stream news say the market rose so much because of hopes of a deal tomorrow.... I say that is crap, I say the market went up BECAUSE the Bail Out failed...

But it looks like we are gonna get a Bail Out of the thieves that are running those Banks and credit companies, no matter if we want it or not. All the lobbyists in Washington have been in overdrive the last few days. Everybody wants a piece of our $700 Billion...

Just watch the markets fall after the Bail Out deal is signed... :mad:
 
I was just watching the Jay Leno show and his guest is Russell Crowe and he just made a comment that really made a hell of a lot of sense, he said...instead of giving all of these banks and the wall street tycoons $700 billion for their mistakes, why not just give the 300 million Americans one million dollars each (tax free) and let them choose what to do with it...this way the economy would be noticeably stimulated a hell of a lot faster than with the $700 billion bailout and the citizens would definitely be on board !! :thumbsup:

Thats a great idea - they can even tax it so they will have money back in the till and Americans ( true Americans ) can once again feel worthwhile.
 
is crowe even a citizen? let him worry about his mates down under.
The Idea was an American Idea, Mr. Crowe was just repeating it as have 10 of thousands of Americans.

Well this "Bail Out" must be needed, George Bush and all his cronies say so!

And we all know George Bush is always right and always has the best interest of the people of this country in mind....

Lets see, the last time G.W. Bush said we 'HAD' to do something for the good of the country... We invaded Iraq, looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction... That turned out real well... So why not blindly follow him again and give his friends $700 Billion?
 
Good stuff, IMO:

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The overall economy doesn't even face a liquidity crisis in the current turmoil. Consumer, commercial/industrial, and real estate loans are all up over last year. Main Street is doing fine. The liquidity crisis is confined to Wall Street, between and among investment banks, insurance and securities firms, and hedge funds. There is the possibility that the contagion could spread, but in a global capital market, this is hardly certain.
I agree with most of the talking points in that article there Bryan, with the exception of the two I highlighted above...

This guy does definitely not live on main street like most of us do, Main Street is not doing fine, it's also not in the worst shape it has ever been in either but it is definitely not doing fine as he says...if it were then consumer spending would not be at all time lows...

And as far as "The liquidity crisis" being confined to Wall Street is total BS as we all know how many Americans have already had their credit lines decreased or even for that matter totally cut off...cash is not available to the consumer like it has been in previous years which in the long run will probably be better for Americans anyway and help keep their ass out of so much debt but it is not only confined to Wall Street as he states...
 
You just gotta love the way the politicos minds work.

American Politicians believe, If people don't like what your doing, don't change what your doing, just call it something different and people are so stupid they'll fall for it. (one of Karl Roves ideas)

Lets see, we'll call the largest removal of American Citizens Civil Rights, the "Patriot Act", that way anyone that disagrees with us we can call un-patriotic.

Whats this..... Folks don't like the "Wall Street Bail Out", we won't really change anything but the name.... We'll call it the "Tax Payer Rescue Act", that way the dumb asses will be all for it...

What really gets me, is that this calling "it" something different crap works on about 25% of the people in this country. That many people can't really be that stupid, can they?


On a serious note:
The Market closed down slightly, DJIA -19.59, NASDAQ -22.2, A lot of people are saying the only reason the market did not rise again was because the politicos, won't let the "Bail Out" die...
 
You just gotta love the way the politicos minds work.

American Politicians believe, If people don't like what your doing, don't change what your doing, just call it something different and people are so stupid they'll fall for it. (one of Karl Roves ideas)

Lets see, we'll call the largest removal of American Citizens Civil Rights, the "Patriot Act", that way anyone that disagrees with us we can call un-patriotic.
Whats this..... Folks don't like the "Wall Street Bail Out", we won't really change anything but the name.... We'll call it the "Tax Payer Rescue Act", that way the dumb asses will be all for it...

What really gets me, is that this calling "it" something different crap works on about 25% of the people in this country. That many people can't really be that stupid, can they?


LOL...ain't that the damn truth...:rolleyes:
 
Well here it is the Monday after the "Bail-Out" was signed and the stock market is dropping like a rock, it has dropped over 412 points this morning, as I write this...

God I hate it when I'm right...
 

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