Bogus Complaint affiliate swindler gets caught

[AffGency]

If EVERY casino asked EVERY customer prior to EVERY deposit for KYC - the whole industry would be in uproar over the overly bureaucratic process and lets face it, there would be no on-line business.

A line must be drawn, and as it stands, its at €2,300 euros.

As i said before, please state here you are ok with us publishing your information and I want to see for how long you will garner support on here.

From what i am understanding from your PM's is that you want your losses back because YOU REFUSE to send a Skrill screenshot with your address on it, which by the way, has a DIFFERENT NAME then your own ID.

I emailed the link i had emailed to you which can be found on twoplutwo.com to Bryan.

You deposited, you risked, you lost and now (according to your PM) you are going to MGA to see if we can keep the money because you are not being cooperative.

Anyway, Bryan has the information he needs, if you would please allow me to send him your screenshots so that he can connect the dots, I'd appreciate it - although i don't think he needs much more than what is listed on that thread to be frank.

Why are you lieing now ... my passeport and skrill screenshot has exactly the same name... i will send this to bryan now and he can check by themself

you can also ask Skrill directly if Iam the one and the same person

You can stop now acting as if you had find something .. this has nothing to do with you and nothing to do with betat

Why you becoming so ethical now ... clearly my money isnt good for you .. so why keeping it ?

You just changed everything we still dont see anything that your own support told me that this is fine with skrill ... are u able to provide this... as you was so eager to provide informations with have nothing to do with casinomeister, casinos and not slitghly with you

 

[AffGency]

Now he is threating me ... great job

PM from the rep of an online casino

XXXX, XXXX, whatever your name is. Account remains closed and your Matese address and information will be submitted to the Malta Cybercrime unit together with the thread.

If you need to validate how serious i am, call the HQ and ask for Inspector Jonathan Ferris, lead investigator in the economics crime unit. People like you need ot be stopped in their tracks and im happy you allowed me to contribute to that.

I pls ask you to do this and as i told you, i will also file a lawsuit against you personally

 

[homerbert]

Igor writing from betat acc, right?
Igor, do you really think that you should make business like this? ( I know, you're awesome person, and you like only couple of people understand how casino business should be done, but still). You made quite bad decision in my opinion. You read somewhere topic(ok, on 2+2) that affgency owe someone money. Right. And you decide close your account. So in short - who give you the right to judge people? You know the whole story for 100%? You sure that customer is guilty? You literally call him a thief, in public, on forum, and you do not have any proof(only thread somewhere). So if tommorow, some idiot will create thread that i cheat someone, you will close my account?
I like betat, like you as a person who make this business, but decision is terrible. With a reason you told. In public. Remind me tropica casino tragedy , when they was removed from BBF.
P.S. If someone PM me this thread on 2+2 will be great

 

[BETAT]

Sorry but you are really pathetic to just find any reason to close my account .... we will see if you are able to keep the money
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Hmm, considering that i've exchanged several PMs with you explaining that

1) You are using two names between your payment methods and ID's
2) That cross-referencing those names brought about a thread in which you are accused of defrauding operators by the thousands
3) I cant think of many reasons why a person would change their name and surname, so forgive me if my alarm bells go off with 1&2 combined; and finally
4) I have the right to safeguard my business from further risk by deciding to not facilitate your gaming experience further

I cannot for the life of me understand the reason for this extended thread, except the emboldened part above, in which case, i strongly invite you to approach MGA. In fact i'll gladly put you in touch personally with the Head of Player Dispute services myself on their direct email.

I have informed you who I approached in Malta with your information and i'll leave it at that. Unfortunately, any piece of information i disclose will result in our breach of your privacy so publicly, this is all i can say, unless (and i invite you for the third time) you state you have no issues for me to disclose the information to this forum viewership and provide the the relevant links.

And to answer your quoted post - Yes, we have absolute evidence that the person, holing two names, and accused of fraud on that forum is you due to the names listed on your payment methods and ID.

That would be all from us.

 

[AffGency]

im also willing to bet that the Malta Cyber crime unit will not do anything

just because you had hackers and reported them and you know now his name doesnt mean anything

If you want we can bet if you are so sure that this will break my neck

 

[BETAT]

Igor writing from betat acc, right?
Igor, do you really think that you should make business like this? ( I know, you're awesome person, and you like only couple of people understand how casino business should be done, but still). You made quite bad decision in my opinion. You read somewhere topic(ok, on 2+2) that affgency owe someone money. Right. And you decide close your account. So in short - who give you the right to judge people? You know the whole story for 100%? You sure that customer is guilty? You literally call him a thief, in public, on forum, and you do not have any proof(only thread somewhere). So if tommorow, some idiot will create thread that i cheat someone, you will close my account?
I like betat, like you as a person who make this business, but decision is terrible. With a reason you told. In public. Remind me tropica casino tragedy , when they was removed from BBF.
P.S. If someone PM me this thread on 2+2 will be great

Homer, you know us better that that. Just a thread is far from enough. The thread was the nail in the proverbial coffin. It's 7PM and my dogs are awaiting to be fed, so i bid you all a nice evening and luck

 

[AffGency]

Hmm, considering that i've exchanged several PMs with you explaining that

1) You are using two names between your payment methods and ID's
2) That cross-referencing those names brought about a thread in which you are accused of defrauding operators by the thousands
3) I cant think of many reasons why a person would change their name and surname, so forgive me if my alarm bells go off with 1&2 combined; and finally
4) I have the right to safeguard my business from further risk by deciding to not facilitate your gaming experience further

I cannot for the life of me understand the reason for this extended thread, except the emboldened part above, in which case, i strongly invite you to approach MGA. In fact i'll gladly put you in touch personally with the Head of Player Dispute services myself on their direct email.

I have informed you who I approached in Malta with your information and i'll leave it at that. Unfortunately, any piece of information i disclose will result in our breach of your privacy so publicly, this is all i can say, unless (and i invite you for the third time) you state you have no issues for me to disclose the information to this forum viewership and provide the the relevant links.

And to answer your quoted post - Yes, we have absolute evidence that the person, holing two names, and accused of fraud on that forum is you due to the names listed on your payment methods and ID.

That would be all from us.

it is not true

i wait for bryan to send me an email where i can send exactly the same screenshots as i send you, i will put you in cc as well

You are getting lower and lower here .. and acting childish now

I said to you many times now, that this thread has nothing to do with you .. and you keep riding on it

in other words , you can close any account for whatever reason ...

 

[homerbert]

it is not true

i wait for bryan to send me an email where i can send exactly the same screenshots as i send you, i will put you in cc as well

You are getting lower and lower here .. and acting childish now

I said to you many times now, that this thread has nothing to do with you .. and you keep riding on it

in other words , you can close any account for whatever reason ...

This is in terms, and you agreed with it when join. Nothing bad with it.
If you feel that casino act not right to you - use PAB. Otherwise we will have 999 pages with water everywhere.

 

[BETAT]

in other words , you can close any account for whatever reason ...

Absolutely correct. As long as there is no active real money balance in the account and there are no winnings in dispute we can indeed not service a customer. Same as any other business in existence, we have the right to deny a service. That about sums it up.

 

[AffGency]

Absolutely correct. As long as there is no active real money balance in the account and there are no winnings in dispute we can indeed not service a customer. Same as any other business in existence, we have the right to deny a service. That about sums it up.

i was actually thinking you want to feed your dogs ?

you can deny service .. that is fine as well

but if you as sated the KYC process didnt allow you to accept me as a customer than why keeping the money ? You are acting that you are so ethical and you found the holy grail about me ... besides has nothing to do with you ... than i would be so ehtical to not taking the money. but you just go half way

same as you did with the support snippet you send over

 

[homerbert]

i was actually thinking you want to feed your dogs ?

you can deny service .. that is fine as well

but if you as sated the KYC process didnt allow you to accept me as a customer than why keeping the money ? You are acting that you are so ethical and you found the holy grail about me ... besides has nothing to do with you ... than i would be so ehtical to not taking the money. but you just go half way

same as you did with the support snippet you send over

They don't keep your money. You lost it. Thread was not about money, about acc closure, no? Really, no one took your money, otherwise it could be absolutely another thread.

 

[BETAT]

i was actually thinking you want to feed your dogs ?

you can deny service .. that is fine as well

but if you as sated the KYC process didnt allow you to accept me as a customer than why keeping the money ? You are acting that you are so ethical and you found the holy grail about me ... besides has nothing to do with you ... than i would be so ehtical to not taking the money. but you just go half way

same as you did with the support snippet you send over

Bryan calls these threads time sharks - i actually should just go and feed my dogs and lay it to rest. If this is about the money you lost, which it obviously is, then as i said - please either PAB, go to MGA, any avenue which allows us to send the information to a third party.

You are in a very convenient position. You are publicly posting and cutting chats, parts thereof and sending the information you need to build a case you don't actually have while we are bound by law to not respond. So for the last time, may i post the docs so that can he support my statements with necessary proof and defend your accusations of me being unethical, or may i not?

 

[AffGency]

Igor , what about we meet up and discuss it in private ?

my treat of course and we can discuss everything togheter.. you can bring a friend or 2 if you have any concern also been wiretaped

Its just an honest offer .. you can also call me, as you have my number too

Than we can discuss this and i promise i will give you also every evidence or document you need for the cyber crime unit ?

 

[AffGency]

Bryan calls these threads time sharks - i actually should just go and feed my dogs and lay it to rest. If this is about the money you lost, which it obviously is, then as i said - please either PAB, go to MGA, any avenue which allows us to send the information to a third party.

You are in a very convenient position. You are publicly posting and cutting chats, parts thereof and sending the information you need to build a case you don't actually have while we are bound by law to not respond. So for the last time, may i post the docs so that can he support my statements with necessary proof and defend your accusations of me being unethical, or may i not?

why ? i have send all email conversations ... i didnt have any screenshots of the support chat, just the last one ... why you think im cutting anything ?

you need to stop taking it so personal

i dont claim anything too, i just said, that this skrill screenshot is a joke and that you say that my docs show different names is funny

anyhow, my offer is there, we can meet up

 

[AffGency]

Just FYI

you are also not allowed to give my private information to Inspector Jonathan Ferris ... this is confidential and only by request of the authorities you need to give them

Just saying ... as you make it just too easy

 

[homerbert]

I am sorry, but with your last posts it sounds like they catch you, and you just trying everything...Better stop it and PAB if you think you right, casino not right.

 

[Finn]

Okay, this story turns out to be more complicated than it seemed at first.
But my experience with the KYC process at BetAt has prompted me to close my account. Prior to depositing there I had sent the exact same docs as submitted earlier to another casino (which were accepted just fine). BetAt's security team was not happy about the edges of a particular invoice, although my address on the invoice and the address of my Neteller account were crystal clear and there was no information missing whatsoever.

Photos and scans of documents that show all of the document properly, including edges, are much harder to forge than photos and scans that show just the information parts properly. This is why some casinos put more emphasis on showing the non-informative parts of docs also, because it makes forging them harder.

 

[aceking123]

off topic but i did have a id problem there when they first opened , i got my account locked down , it was sorted in the end ,they dont need you as a customer its pretty much there choice . ( no monies involved ) but to be honest igor is a pretty much stand up guy ive had a few run ins & outs .

hes been very good to me & used to be here alot answering alot of stuff . so i wouldnt think hes just going to make it up

i hope you guys get it sorted quickly best in private though !

 

[AffGency]

I am sorry, but with your last posts it sounds like they catch you, and you just trying everything...Better stop it and PAB if you think you right, casino not right.

why ? its the law .. nah its fine .. i will not post anymore here .. as i said, i would like to meet Igor in person and we can discuss everything

 

[onkel]

OP - you are an embarrassment. While it's very unlikely the cybercrime unit will do anything, it's even more unlikely you'll see your deposits back (and rightfully so).

Why do you not want to send a screenshot from Skrill with your address? Also, you are aware that when you make a Skrill transfer, the recipient gets to see the registered name on that account, right?

 

[Mouche12]

Photos and scans of documents that show all of the document properly, including edges, are much harder to forge than photos and scans that show just the information parts properly. This is why some casinos put more emphasis on showing the non-informative parts of docs also, because it makes forging them harder.

Thanks for explaining, but another highly reputable casino accepted the exact same docs just fine - and the address was the same as in my Neteller account. If KYC is such a hassle, I hate to think what would happen when it's cashout time...

 

[AffGency]

OP - you are an embarrassment. While it's very unlikely the cybercrime unit will do anything, it's even more unlikely you'll see your deposits back (and rightfully so).

Why do you not want to send a screenshot from Skrill with your address? Also, you are aware that when you make a Skrill transfer, the recipient gets to see the registered name on that account, right?

i know i didnt want to post anymore

however

i wrote i have send them neteller and my utility bill which shows my adresse

The Skrill one shows my name.. and my name is all over them there.. and it is.. quite surprising.. just always the same name on all documents

As you know Skrill very good, you also know you need to get verified at Skrill as well .. sending Passeport, ID , utility bill ect. there is no way using an e-wallet which is not in your name.

They are all FSA regulated and i clearly dont play games with my Skrill or neteller account as I use them more as my bank account.

And as Mouche12 said it, i had no problems with any other casinos accepting them

 

[Tirilej]

Thanks for explaining, but another highly reputable casino accepted the exact same docs just fine - and the address was the same as in my Neteller account. If KYC is such a hassle, I hate to think what would happen when it's cashout time...

But we who have been playing for so long knows what is needed, and that most casinos want them sooner or later so why see it as a problem?
Have your documents always updated or at least take your time when you sign up somewhere new to check what's needed.

You don't have to wait for your first cashout at most places. Some let you upload them automaticly. Don't make it or see it as a bigger problem than it is.
It is protection for the casino and they really need to be careful. It is also protection for us so don't forget that. You don't want anyone else to use your identity.

 

[onkel]

But they're asking to see your address with Skrill, like most casinos, why is this so difficult for you to produce? I have been asked to send this in on dozens of occassions, on top of a utility bill.

So you can confirm that the name Betat will have seen when you made Skrill deposits matches the name on the ID you have produced?

 

[AffGency]

But they're asking to see your address with Skrill, like most casinos, why is this so difficult for you to produce? I have been asked to send this in on dozens of occassions, on top of a utility bill.

So you can confirm that the name Betat will have seen when you made Skrill deposits matches the name on the ID you have produced?

yes i can confirm this ... also my Skrill statements will show my name

as everyone is so eager .. i will explain it a bit more

Im Gold VIP at Skrill .. and i lived previously in another country .. in the Netherlands

I have a bank account there and my bank card.. for non ducth people.. you have Ideal in the Netherlands which you use to pay everything there. Also uploading your skrill account is very easy and fast and no hassle.

As i moved .. i changed my adresse and i lost the ability to use IDeal anymore, so i asked Skrill to change my adresse back to the old one ... which they normally don't do but I have my account since nearly 10 years, vip ect.

So they changed it so I can keep using IDeal ... sending this adresse would just cauz more questiosn and more explanations.

Now again as 2 other documents show my adresse.. i clearly think that is enough .. especially as email and name matches anyhow at Skrill.