888 / Casino On Net Condoning Site Scraping & Copyright Theft?

[jargon]

The SE's might look favorable upon on active approach to clean up this mess on our own. Perhaps more can be done a couple of good article submissions, "Honest webmasters Cleaning up the Online Gambling Industry". I am sure this would be productive.

It would save the SE's the bother and perhaps they just might jump on board? Also contacting other webmasters that still support their brand and informing them of these recent develpoments.

For cross link exchanges have a statement "will not exchange links if you support 888.com"

Lots can be done. But foremost I believe in cooperation for the common good for all concern.

BTW I had mentioned this problem back in December 2005 when I joined this forum. It has takin a long time. I am pleased its' finally taking hold.

 

[Sodax77]

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Indeed, the blog spam coming from Cassava direct and their collection of rogue affiliates has even made it onto Wikipedia:

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Cassava Enterprises LogoCassava Enterprises (Gibraltar) Ltd. is a limited company which operates several high-profile gambling websites. Cassava was founded in 1997 and is based in Gibraltar. Its subsidiary, 888 Holdings Plc, is listed on the London Stock Exchange (LSE: 888).

Prior to the company's IPO, brothers Avi and Aaron Shaked owned seventy percent of the company. Another pair of brothers, Shay and Ron Ben-Yitzhak, controlled twenty percent through a family trust. Employees of the company collectively owned the rest.......

They have a right to do this, but where is criticism, etc, etc

Remember, you can edit these texts! So if you have anything,
what you can proof, True information...
go ahead, and make your post/notice/information/whatever!

 

[Simmo!]

Hey Simmo. I had to rep you. You now have 888 rep points as a result.

Damn! My cover is blown! Quick...someone rep me before my paymaster finds out

 

[jargon]

The mounds of player disatisfaction is quite evident. I have a library of it here is a few grabbed from Alexa. Anything in regards to 888.com I have.


Fixed. Lulled into false sense of security via free play and then u pay up and dealers score 21, or 20 near enough every time. Basic strategy blackjack determines when a dealers face up card is low ie -5 the dealer is more than likely to bust. On 888.com, this rarely happens, just a bit of proof. Check it out, i think its a fixing site. How else can they offer 100% bonus on sign up?!


Worst Site - FIXED,
This is worse site for online gambler. I recommend not to try this site at all. They allure you first few times and once you hit a number, you will never win no matter how much you try. I tried hundreds of times.
Other clever thing they do, when you play in public areas and you are a high roller, they kick you out of public area and set your table as private table automatically.
I know online gambling is a bad news, but this casino is a WORSE NEWS. Try others, who at least pays from time to time. NOT THIS ONE. SUCKER

FIXED!, January 4, 2006
Reviewer: Mr. A. M. Forster - See all my reviews


Fixed. Lulled into false sense of security via free play and then u pay up and dealers score 21, or 20 near enough every time. Basic strategy blackjack determines when a dealers face up card is low ie -5 the dealer is more than likely to bust. On 888.com, this rarely happens, just a bit of proof. Check it out, i think its a fixing site. How else can they offer 100% bonus on sign up?!

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Worst Site - FIXED, April 4, 2005
Reviewer: M. Talmadge - See all my reviews


This is worse site for online gambler. I recommend not to try this site at all. They allure you first few times and once you hit a number, you will never win no matter how much you try. I tried hundreds of times.
Other clever thing they do, when you play in public areas and you are a high roller, they kick you out of public area and set your table as private table automatically.
I know online gambling is a bad news, but this casino is a WORSE NEWS. Try others, who at least pays from time to time. NOT THIS ONE. SUCKER.

 

[Webzcas]

I completely disagree. I may not particulary care for their casino, such as the fact you have to exchange your currency into dollars using their own exchange rates to play. Or indeed the fact it takes a full week to cash out your winnings, regardless of whether you are a high or low roller.

However I can state Categorically that 888 casino is not fixed and is perfectly legit. Remember it is also subjected to independent audits.

I imagine the people that posted those reviews on alexa, were bitter losers. They would have been better off visiting gamcare rather than alexa IMO.

 

[AussieDave]

I am offering a link back to any site, regardless of PR or even indexing, that adds a seperate page rogueing 888 and telling what the problem is and links to me.

If we all link to each other we will top the search engines. This will put some pressure on 888 to cease and desist from paying people to steal and spam (not to mention that it will help sites getting better SERPS).

Lets look forward and stop this destructive and illegal practice!

I applaud this idea.

I'm willing to add a page how do I get hooked up?

 

[jargon]

I threw that out there for amusement if you want player complaints about getting 888.com of there computer I can post them as well. Nothing like scumware and malware complaints from players.

 

[dominique]

Now that is definitely something I have heard a lot of.

888 has been using malware for years, and have had many complaints over time.

Not so many lately, popup blockers supress the most annoying ones (although they allow the crap to continue to reside on your computer, slowing it down), and spyware removers help a lot.

 

[dominique]

I applaud this idea.

I'm willing to add a page how do I get hooked up?

Just add the page and PM me with a link. We'll go from there.

 

[Sodax77]

...888 has been using malware for years, and have had many complaints over time....

Yep!

It is not like these MG/Playetch/etc false alerts in Ad-Aware/SpybotSD

It is Malware. [and Adware]

 

[jetset]

You guys are now acting in concert and there are already good tactical ideas starting to flow - more are possible; don't forget that 888 is a listed company now for one. Using the media is another, but for that you've got to bring this affilate-speak stuff down to a level that the lay person understands.

 

[dominique]

The rogue pages are trickling in and I am linking to them. A lot more said they would do it on the weekend.

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[AussieDave]

Using the media is another, but for that you've got to bring this affilate-speak stuff down to a level that the lay person understands.

I admire your lateral thinking in all your posts jetset. You've raised a very important key, that is loose the affilate-speak stuff . I've tried to present examples in so far as how this issue affects everyone using the net. Hopefully I've managed to get the story accross, without heading down the sensationalising path.

Cheers

PS I'm sure you'll read my take on this soon

 

[AussieDave]

I don't know if it's just a coincidence or there is something more sinister at play here, but...

I was editing the article I wrote and adding some Editors notes to the footer of this peice. For completeness I added links to every site mentioned in the article. Wanting to make sure everything was functional, I clicked on 888.com

Now after doing this I logged out of the Admin backend of my site, and closed all browsers. I then checked my emails...

Normally OE pops up in 2secs flat but this time it just stalled...finally it opened. I then opened a browser and checked my online email, BUT here is the interesting problem, my stored p/w had been deleted...It was fine some 30 min previous

I then check Neteller and the same damn thing, my account ID is wiped...

Now I'm not accusing anyone or anything here, but I'm saying it's pretty damn strange, that's all.

 

[AussieDave]

Just did a search on google for 888.com site scraping and found something that was funny in a bent type of way.

As you'll see by the screen cap you've got a listing about what 888.com has been doing about their rogue affiliates and on the right hand side under sponsored links, software that allows this practice to continue.

 

[Simmo!]

Just did a search on google for 888.com site scraping and found something that was funny in a bent type of way.

As you'll see by the screen cap you've got a listing about what 888.com has been doing about their rogue affiliates and on the right hand side under sponsored links, software that allows this practice to continue.

LOL. I also see one on my Google for "sitescraper.com". Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your view, I guess scraping is legitimate for some purposes (ie: when not reproducing it).

 

[vinylweatherman]

Cookies

Normally OE pops up in 2secs flat but this time it just stalled...finally it opened. I then opened a browser and checked my online email, BUT here is the interesting problem, my stored p/w had been deleted...It was fine some 30 min previous

I then check Neteller and the same damn thing, my account ID is wiped...

These are stored in the cookies in the temporary internet files folder. If these cookies are removed this will happen. It happens when I clear out my cookies, but also happens on other occasions (not sure why exactly).
It may be that underlying firewall or spyware removal software has something to do with it.
Neteller have changed the sign-on page last week with that pain-in-the-a*** upgrade. It has a different cookie, and the first time you use it the ID will be gone, but the old page still works, so if you have bookmarked it and use it, the ID is back!

 

[AussieDave]

LOL. I also see one on my Google for "sitescraper.com". Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your view, I guess scraping is legitimate for some purposes (ie: when not reproducing it).

I could understand say web dev companies using it or even BIG corps or those with the need to scrap their own content from 100's if not 1000's of pages, so yes I agree for legit purposes.

Could also use the saying that a lot of gun lobbists use, guns don't kill people, people kill people...

 

[AussieDave]

These are stored in the cookies in the temporary internet files folder. If these cookies are removed this will happen. It happens when I clear out my cookies, but also happens on other occasions (not sure why exactly).
It may be that underlying firewall or spyware removal software has something to do with it.
Neteller have changed the sign-on page last week with that pain-in-the-a*** upgrade. It has a different cookie, and the first time you use it the ID will be gone, but the old page still works, so if you have bookmarked it and use it, the ID is back!

Thanks for the heads up on Neteller

 

[dominique]

Linking of 888 rogue pages is moving right along.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Webzcas]

Bank Holiday Weekend and no response from the 888 Rep on CAP yet. I am hoping headway can be made tomorrow. It really is in 888's interests to treat the affiliate communities concerns seriously.

The two issues they need to address now:

1) Blog Spamming. Why do they actively participate in this?

2) Support of Site Scrapers. Why are 888, dragging their heels in shutting down the people behind these thousands of scraper sites which in turn promote their brands.

By not taking action against these individuals and continuing to pay them, is sending out a loud message that 888 supports copyright theft on a very large scale.

 

[caruso]

I've read nothing in this thread as affiliate problems don't exactly motivate me, but having chatted with a friend about this issue it seems that Cassava may be in breach of their eCOGRA credentials, and that eCOGRA should be notified about the matter and be encouraged to pull the plug on whatever stunt Cassava are pulling here. If Cassava are actually breaching copyright, this is an open and closed case.

 

[Casinomeister]

I've read nothing in this thread as affiliate problems don't exactly motivate me...

Odd that you should say that when you are an affiliate yourself. But besides that, you should realize that this is not simply an affiliate issue. This deals with copyright and trademark violations committed by affiliates of 888.com and possibly 888.com itself. It has nothing to do with if Joe Blow affiliate received his affiliate check on time.

You should also note that the webmasters who have voiced their opinions on this issue are not affiliates of 888.com.

You need to get with the program, Caruso - this is a serious issue that concerns everyone.

 

[caruso]

It has nothing to do with if Joe Blow affiliate received his affiliate check on time.

Where did I say it was? I said affy issues don't bother me much so I hadn't read the thread at that point. I wasn't accusing anyone of being affiliate whores.

You know me well enough to know I'd never do that.

You need to get with the program, Caruso - this is a serious issue that concerns everyone.

I know where my priorities lie and where they don't, and I don't need anyone telling me anything about them in any shape or form.

I see now the eCOGRA subject has been raised, and deflected because it's not a "player issue". I disagree that this is the case. If this "scraping" is causing non gambling related content searches ending up directing said customers to Cassava, then this is a player / public issue, and not an affliate issue. Anything which targets potential customers is a "player issue".

But besides that, you should realize that this is not simply an affiliate issue. This deals with copyright and trademark violations committed by affiliates of 888.com and possibly 888.com itself.

Exactly.

I'll be urging eCOGRA to get involved on the above basis. They are in the number one position to do absolutely anything Cassava-related.

 

[Casinomeister]

I know where my priorities lie and where they don't, and I don't need anyone telling me anything about them in any shape or form.

Well dude, if you jump into this thread making comments like this:

I've read nothing in this thread as affiliate problems don't exactly motivate me...

..you're going to get told to get with the program whether you like it or not.

And please don't derail the thread with another eCOGRA downward spiral. Feel free to begin a separate thread if you'd like - thanks!