New Slot Announcement 60 Second Heist by 4ThePlayer.com

[snorky510238]

Thanks for the in-depth reply. I will certainly give your games a try. The only problem with giving players an option with things like the power slide, is that I always (rightly or wrongly) feel that I am at a disadvantage if I don’t use it.

As for the, how many times can you spin in 60 seconds. That gives the impression that it’s skill based and that if you are a gaming whizz, you will have an advantage because of the lightning quick fingers, enabling you to spin faster but that wouldn’t be the case would it?

 

[ladyhawke]

By that, I mean, there are a large percentage of players that like simplicity and nothing else. That’s why the most popular games in B+M Casinos are Cleopatra, Lady Luck Charm, Book of Ra, etc, because they are extremely simplistic.

Not being sexist but I rarely see women playing anything else. Basically I am saying your slots will only appeal to the minority and there is a lot of competition in the volatile area so are you confident in the longevity of your games, by only producing to a niche market?

You're not? Perhaps you rarely see women playing anything else because you forgot your glasses.

 

[snorky510238]

You're not? Perhaps you rarely see women playing anything else because you forgot your glasses.

You go to my local Casino too?

 

[4ThePlayer]

Thanks for the in-depth reply. I will certainly give your games a try. The only problem with giving players an option with things like the power slide, is that I always (rightly or wrongly) feel that I am at a disadvantage if I don’t use it.

As for the, how many times can you spin in 60 seconds. That gives the impression that it’s skill based and that if you are a gaming whizz, you will have an advantage because of the lightning quick fingers, enabling you to spin faster but that wouldn’t be the case would it?

No problem and thanks for giving us a try.

The 60 Second Heist Bonus automatically plays, like all free spins, so you just sit back and enjoy the action and hopefully the wins. There is no skill or advantage to any player.

 

[snorky510238]

I guessed as much but it did sound like you were alluding to it being skill, hence the reply asking about disconnection. I think that poster was under the same impression. Could be wrong.

 

[4ThePlayer]

I guessed as much but it did sound like you were alluding to it being skill, hence the reply asking about disconnection. I think that poster was under the same impression. Could be wrong.

Sorry for any confusion, hopefully when you open the game it's all clear.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think it's obvious from even a pretty cursory play that there is no 'player interaction' required with the bonus round on this game, or indeed that there's any actions the player can take that will influence the outcome in any way,

And if you think about it, that's exactly how it should be, and indeed how it needs to be. Otherwise, how on earth could you account for people on crap internet connections, or slow phones/PCs/devices, what if the connection to the server is lost etc? What if someone who's differently abled can't tap the spin button as fast as someone else, what about someone who's using an auto-clicker?

Also, how do you certify a game's RTP if that number can be influenced by player interaction during a bonus round?

If I had to have a guess I'd say the entire bonus round is generated and completed server-side when triggered, and then you're simply watching a replay of what it did. (Which, to be clear, is an approach I'm entirely comfortable with.)

 

[ladyhawke]

You go to my local Casino too?

Nope. It's too sexist for my cat.

 

[CasinoNinja]

A bit late to the bandwagon on this one, but one critic I have is that when you have a big win and it spend AGES counting up, it feels like it's cutting your bonus short, I think I had about 17 sec left and hit something and it just wasted all that time counting the win. Not quite fun and feels a bit cheated.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A bit late to the bandwagon on this one, but one critic I have is that when you have a big win and it spend AGES counting up, it feels like it's cutting your bonus short, I think I had about 17 sec left and hit something and it just wasted all that time counting the win. Not quite fun and feels a bit cheated.

That's not how it works (confirmed by the rep earlier in this thread), the 'time limit' is no such thing really, the entire bonus round is generated server side and then you just watch it play out, no need to try and click on stuff to try and speed anything up, just let the round play out and see what you get.

 

[CasinoNinja]

That's not how it works (confirmed by the rep earlier in this thread), the 'time limit' is no such thing really, the entire bonus round is generated server side and then you just watch it play out, no need to try and click on stuff to try and speed anything up, just let the round play out and see what you get.

I know that, you can't click it away either.

But when you have 15 secs left and it spent counting a win it seems like such a waste of the time, you might as well have triggered that win when you had 1 sec left. Say you got a time boost as well and it's spent wasting away counting a win, not a good feeling no?

@4ThePlayer

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well that's just the mechanic 4ThePlayer used for the game, the whole 'timed bonus round' construct is essentially a fake out to inject some 'forced urgency' into the proceedings, I didn't think it was a particularly great mechanic myself and the game as a whole didn't massively click with me, but I appreciate the fact that 4ThePlayer do at least try some different things with their slots.

Once you understand that there is no 'timer' on the bonus round, and it's just a case of watching what plays out, there's no need to feel like there's any wasting of time going on, or indeed to feel remotely cheated.

 

[CasinoNinja]

I'm sorry but I disagree again, the whole theme of this slot is  time , you have initially 60 secs to get as many winnings as possible, and they have boosters which adds time say 20 sec.
So to say you should disregard this whole thing as its all visuals is poor IMO when it's the actual theme of the slot.

Add 20 sec to the timer to watch the game count the winnings? What's the point in that . You would be better off winnings several smaller winnings than a bigger one in that case.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

I'm sorry but I disagree again, the whole theme of this slot is  time , you have initially 60 secs to get as many winnings as possible, and they have boosters which adds time say 20 sec.
So to say you should disregard this whole thing as its all visuals is poor IMO when it's the actual theme of the slot.

Add 20 sec to the timer to watch the game count the winnings? What's the point in that . You would be better off winnings several smaller winnings than a bigger one in that case.

Totally agree. I watch streamers play it and usually avoid the 4theplayer games because of exactly this lethargy in the game mechanic.

 

[snorky510238]

That’s the problem with providers nowadays, they try to be too clever for their own good. The harder they try, the easier it is to see how the games work and that nothing is random at all.

Your bonus round is predetermined. The outcome is known the second you click the button and the bonus lands. As stated above the time ticking makes no difference at all. Just a poorly thought out visual that pisses players off.

 

[bamberfishcake]

It's different from your average slot. And variety is the spice of life. If you don't like the mechanic or design, then play something else perhaps

I agree it is frustrating when you get a big win because it drains time, but it's the nature of the design. If the design extended the time for big wins, there would be fewer big wins. But, yeh, there is not much evidence of randomness in any of the modern-day bonus round.

My most obvious experience was with Elk Studios Micro Knights. I had a mammoth queue ready in the bonus round and needed just one matching symbol on the ensuing drop to hit the last feature. I assumed it was inevitable because it was a low-paying symbol (I forget which actual one), which always lands on a normal drop, and lo-and-behold the drop was clearly rigged to not trigger that last feature.

 

[CasinoNinja]

It's not unique, that joker slot and land of zenith or whatever it's called its doing the time thing also but they don't waste the time counting the wins. Just poorly designed and frustrating for an otherwise interesting slot.

As in randomness, Elk is sadly 99% predetermined results like Jamming Jars, ie no reel strips. They sort of confirmed that on a Stream

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Pre-determined results can still be entirely randomly and fairly generated. We've done this before.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Pre-determined results can still be entirely randomly and fairly generated. We've done this before.

Nobody says it's not.
But Elk is the king of 50x most of the time for bonuses..
Take Orion, I have played that extensively, but it's impossible to get a bonus unless if it's within the first drop (or I am being incredibly unlucky!) .
Random reels would have had a chance to give you a bonus perhaps, but not when it's predetermined like that.

But I still like the slot, but I think generally actually reel sets are better, even though Elk are quite innovative

 

[shadow123]

Pragmatics show definate signs of feature preditermination as in pick a total feature value and pay out amounts during the spins that add
up to that value, see it mostly In the Bass games,as any player will have noticed how many times all x2 or x3 spins are totally dead if a decent chunk has been paid out in the first set of spins,also every feature gives at least one fisherman.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Nobody says it's not.
But Elk is the king of 50x most of the time for bonuses..
Take Orion, I have played that extensively, but it's impossible to get a bonus unless if it's within the first drop (or I am being incredibly unlucky!) .
Random reels would have had a chance to give you a bonus perhaps, but not when it's predetermined like that.

But I still like the slot, but I think generally actually reel sets are better, even though Elk are quite innovative

It's funny because I too play Stars of Orion and have exactly the same experience.

Bonus within the first few spins or not at all. Coincidence, poor design, or dare I say it - compensation? It's a shame because the game is very engaging and brilliantly designed in general.

My most obvious experience was after playing for hours and not getting a third bonus symbol, but then firing it up the next day and getting a bonus on the first spin.

Agree also, that most of the time, depending on the game, you are lucky to get more than 100x from an Elk standard bonus. I reckon the X-iter bonus buy feature may have something to do with that, and the potential for super bonuses.

 

[CasinoNinja]

I also had the exact same experience with you for Microknights, allthough it was a top symbol (cow or goat) and I just really needed one and I had several cascades of it to get it .. but nope.. never been that frustrated.