New Slot Announcement 60 Second Heist by 4ThePlayer.com

goatwack

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Pure speculation but with the way the low RTP roll-out has been handled, I reckon a percentage of problem gamblers would have been left in financial ruin as a result, clicking away and wondering why the games are not playing as they did before.

Lower RTP reduces max win potential and changes the volatility of games - I have seen the stats.

Way to go MGA and UKGC! Nice protection of problem gamblers! What a con!
You're completely right. That is pure speculation :p
 
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danofthewibble

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And as I said earlier, it can pay well on the lower RTP, just obviously those big wins will be less frequent.
 

TheSchwad

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Well after putting 800x (god knows how many spins, thanks UKGC and auto-clicker) through this without seeing a bonus, I have to say it's not for me, does the bonus puke serious x-wins on you once it finally arrives? Gotta say 4ThePlayer, I love the innovative games you release, with 90k Yeti & 10x Rewind games I play regularly, however, unless this one does something amazing on the odd occasion I play in the future it'll have to be added to the banned list.

I get the bonus comes in on average every 400 spins but my gameplay has been extreme, and cannot remember a win over 20x throughout the 800x loss. Does using the power bet also increase the base game RTP as I definitely wasn't getting anywhere near the circa 80% (assuming my 'simple' equivalent maths isn't incorrect; its certainly wrong, no doubt I'll be corrected) needed to equalise the {base game/bonus frequency} increase when doubling the stake whilst only contributing 50% of the stake to reel wins? I'd feel cheated now if I used the Power Bet just to get the bonus, though wish I'd used it from the start just to see a bonus.

I'd say the base game it's more brutal than the extreme NoLimitCity slots and at least these have 'crazy' X potential and surprising wins, even in the base game, and doubt this can pay Huge in the base (I know you won't have got the maths wrong and I was just really unlucky) but this feels like a lot of games that have bonus buys (I'm talking about your games Pragmatic) where the UK player is disadvantaged, and would have been better off buying the bonus, for a little entertainment, as playing the game normally ends up in a bigger loss anyway. In my situation, if I'd have bought the bonus 5 times and won zero X I'd still be better off and had 'some' entertainment.

Sorry for being so brutal and think you are the one developer who is transparent, with RTP and win/bonus frequency on the load screen, something other providers should follow, maybe the UKGC will implement this and protect The Player for once, rather than hindering them and degrading their experience.
 

4ThePlayer

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Firstly thank you for your kind words, we really appreciate the fact you know we are honest and enjoy our innovative games. Please understand that whilst we push honesty and transparency more than we believe any other game developer, we need to protect our intellectual property and cannot reveal all the secret sauce!

Now to answer a few questions 🤓

Can anyone find 96%?

Quite a lot of casinos have chosen the gold 96% RTP :) this is the default RTP for the game and casinos need to request specifically a lower RTP.
The German only RTP follows our platform's requirements and is currently 90.5%.

Feck the UK market.

We are big advocates of player protection and responsible gambling. You should never be able to play our games in the UK at a casino without a UK license. These casinos must comply with UK regulations. Bonus Buy and AutoPlay, as you all probably know, are not permitted in the UK. We will investigate further and raise it with our platform provider.

“I know a bit about the German market and the tax, and afraid I disagree that the other versions are not profitable. There are casinos that pass the tax on to the player - a much better way rather than offering 90% or lower.”

This is down to the Casino Operator's choice and is not anything that we can control. We would fully support all operators that legally allow higher RTP games in Germany!

“Lower RTP reduces max win potential and changes the volatility of games - I have seen the stats.”

Without giving away the secret sauce. The max win potential and the stats do not change. The volatility does change but is still accurate for what we publicize. Given you are an industry professional all I will say is that the bonus experience & top-end wins are left untouched as we adjust RTPs - we are very proud of this solution - as we feel it gives a fairer experience for the players.

Does using the power bet also increase the base game RTP.... I'd say the base game it's more brutal than the extreme NoLimitCity slots

60 Second Heist is a volatile game and sorry to hear you do not like the balance, it appears you got a very unlucky streak, there are certainly epic wins and extremely big wins to be had as can be seen in our stats that we publically share. We appreciate not every slot is for everyone. Glad to hear you do enjoy some of our slots though :thumbsup:

To give details, the RTP split on 60 Second Heist on 96% RTP is 72% Base Game and 24% Bonus, so you can have great wins in the base game, like on all our games.

When you enable Power Bet or Bonus Bet (if outside the UK) the bonus average feature frequency is changed and your bet increases to cover the extra frequency. For example, 1.25x Power Bet will award 72% Base Game and 48% Bonus (given it occurs twice as often 1 in 200 spins). This works out as 96% RTP over the 1.25x bet.


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bamberfishcake

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Without giving away the secret sauce. The max win potential and the stats do not change. The volatility does change but is still accurate for what we publicize. Given you are an industry professional all I will say is that the bonus experience & top-end wins are left untouched as we adjust RTPs - we are very proud of this solution - as we feel it gives a fairer experience for the players.

Oh, that sounds decent, I wouldn't call myself a professional but thanks for the compliment :p

That's nice to know that yours doesn't affect the top end or volatility.

I have seen Quickspin slots that achieve a lower max win for lower RTP versions during testing and Thunderkick's that change in volatility, albeit a fraction, but still a change.

Thanks for the reply.
 

4ThePlayer

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Thanks for the reply.

Our pleasure, hopefully as you have seen, we always try our best to reply to all player's questions and comments on our games. Even though we are a small team, we think it's important 😎
 
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4ThePlayer

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In case you missed it on the other thread, we just had a big winner on 60 Second Heist.

£23,484.40 on a £4 Bet (+£4 Power Bet) 5,871 X their stake!

Watch it spin by spin:

 

4ThePlayer

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I have to say, it's great to see a rep replying in detail and without just copy and pasting generic statements. I rate that.

Thank you, really appreciate you saying so! It's probably worth pointing out I am not just a rep but one of the co-founders of the company 😉 That's how important we see engaging with you all!
 

4ThePlayer

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4ThePlayer

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That sounds like an 'I know something you don't know statement' :p

I would actually think it is more finding out if anything has been sorted for their games to be available at his casinos.

haha for now our lips are sealed, watch this space!
 

Rahdoh82

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This ain't a bad game..bonused it a few times and hasn't really paid me but looking forward to more innovative game releases from 4 the player
 

4ThePlayer

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This ain't a bad game..bonused it a few times and hasn't really paid me but looking forward to more innovative game releases from 4 the player

Thank you! Not too long to wait we have two games coming soon ;) 7 Elements and then 4 Fantastic Fish!
 

Siohmy

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Despite the RTP issues, which are unfortunately out of your control, I must applaud you for your latest idea for bonus variance. Not only can you adjust the frequency of the bonus but the clear indicator of specifically what you are getting is great.
I’ve always personally disliked pragmatic’s “double bonus chance” for extra stake. Double from what exactly?

People are always going to have their favourite slot styles and manufacturers but long may you carry on doing the right thing and putting the right info in front of the players so we can make an informed choice.

Helps that many of your slots are pretty good fun as well.
 

snorky510238

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Admittedly, I haven’t played your games much but I am looking for new games because one or two in my library seem to have lost their appeal. (That’s my polite way of saying “they’ve been gimped to hell”).

Just looking at the face of your games and reading the thread, it seems like a highly complex formula that is used in the construction of your slots (may not be but comes across that way).

I would consider myself as a fairly seasoned player and I don’t mind a bit of tinsel and glitter but at the same time, I am already thinking, can I be bothered to try and understand how these games work and what my main objectives are when playing them. (Sounds like you need to set a strategy, etc.)

So, my question to you and the team Is, does it concern you, that producing these kind of slots could be limiting your market?

By that, I mean, there are a large percentage of players that like simplicity and nothing else. That’s why the most popular games in B+M Casinos are Cleopatra, Lady Luck Charm, Book of Ra, etc, because they are extremely simplistic.

Not being sexist but I rarely see women playing anything else. Basically I am saying your slots will only appeal to the minority and there is a lot of competition in the volatile area so are you confident in the longevity of your games, by only producing to a niche market?
 

4ThePlayer

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Despite the RTP issues, which are unfortunately out of your control, I must applaud you for your latest idea for bonus variance. Not only can you adjust the frequency of the bonus but the clear indicator of specifically what you are getting is great.
I’ve always personally disliked pragmatic’s “double bonus chance” for extra stake. Double from what exactly?

People are always going to have their favourite slot styles and manufacturers but long may you carry on doing the right thing and putting the right info in front of the players so we can make an informed choice.

Helps that many of your slots are pretty good fun as well.

Thank you! It's great to hear you appreciate our different approach and enjoy our games :)
 

4ThePlayer

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Admittedly, I haven’t played your games much but I am looking for new games because one or two in my library seem to have lost their appeal. (That’s my polite way of saying “they’ve been gimped to hell”).

Just looking at the face of your games and reading the thread, it seems like a highly complex formula that is used in the construction of your slots (may not be but comes across that way).

I would consider myself as a fairly seasoned player and I don’t mind a bit of tinsel and glitter but at the same time, I am already thinking, can I be bothered to try and understand how these games work and what my main objectives are when playing them. (Sounds like you need to set a strategy, etc.)

So, my question to you and the team Is, does it concern you, that producing these kind of slots could be limiting your market?

By that, I mean, there are a large percentage of players that like simplicity and nothing else. That’s why the most popular games in B+M Casinos are Cleopatra, Lady Luck Charm, Book of Ra, etc, because they are extremely simplistic.

Not being sexist but I rarely see women playing anything else. Basically I am saying your slots will only appeal to the minority and there is a lot of competition in the volatile area so are you confident in the longevity of your games, by only producing to a niche market?

Thanks for the question @snorky510238 - the way I like to think about it is our slots are a bit like a film. Some people will watch the film and just enjoy the top-level action and the entertainment. Whereas some people will really like to deep dive into the cast, character analysis the plot twists, what made it a good film etc - it all depends on the person, both enjoy it.

Almost, in the same way, our slots can be enjoyed on two levels, a player can just press spin and enjoy the entertainment experience or (in this game for example) configure their bonus chance, read all the stats, it's up to them. Hopefully, both enjoy it :)

We know a lot of players appreciate the stats and information sharing as well as the innovative game mechanics.

When you refer to a strategy in 60 Second Heist, I think you mean the Power Bet slider. This can be totally ignored and you can just spin, it's up to you if you want to change your bonus chance or not. As a seasoned player, I would have thought bonus frequency was a pretty hot topic for you - especially being in the UK without Bonus Buy etc?

When we are working on game ideas we have an internal process where we make sure our roadmap has a balance of innovation and classic. As you said, we appreciate there is a fine balance and not everyone is looking for high innovation.

If you prefer more classic games you will enjoy our fishing game being released in June, 4 Fantastic Fish 😉
 

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