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Congrats on the 5 scatters, its another achievement crossed off the list even if it didn't pay much!

It had always been my greatest fear of what might happen when I eventually landed five scatters, as just getting the trigger in no way guarantees a decent result, and the trigger itself is only 100x.

Overall no cause for complaint as I had the 4510x on Dice Fusion and the 3240x on Gemini just a week or so apart, so expecting great things from Berrini as part of the same run of luck was always a tad on the optimistic side :)

I have decided to go again and get another five scatters on Berrini, hopefully it won't take 200K spins this time :D
 
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Monster win last night on legacy of dead. Video posted in the winners video section!

2nd time hitting the 5 scatters for me!
 
5 scatter on The Luxe hacksaw gaming at slots temple shame dropped stake to 10p next spin 5 scatters paid okay but was expecting alot more tbh

Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you land them the next spin after dropping to 10p.

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had dead base game spin after dead spin at my usual stake of 60p on slots and then I almost try to tease myself by dropping to 10p just to see if the feature will land and low and behold it does.

I will continue to be absolutely sure of it that these casinos and slots aren’t ‘random’ and ‘can’ indeed manipulate play based on stake. It’s happened far too many times for it to be a coincidence.

Slots temple is also absolutely shocking for decent wins - no surprise they gave you a 1600x feature at 10p lol. You think you were getting that at a quid or even 50p? Not a chance.
 
Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you land them the next spin after dropping to 10p.

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had dead base game spin after dead spin at my usual stake of 60p on slots and then I almost try to tease myself by dropping to 10p just to see if the feature will land and low and behold it does.

I will continue to be absolutely sure of it that these casinos and slots aren’t ‘random’ and ‘can’ indeed manipulate play based on stake. It’s happened far too many times for it to be a coincidence.

Slots temple is also absolutely shocking for decent wins - no surprise they gave you a 1600x feature at 10p lol. You think you were getting that at a quid or even 50p? Not a chance.

100% agree with you that this is a thing. Happened for years and years, Also when it gives you the symbol you need ont he very next spin just to troll you. This is also a thing slots do also.
 
100% agree with you that this is a thing. Happened for years and years, Also when it gives you the symbol you need ont he very next spin just to troll you. This is also a thing slots do also.

There’s been many case studies done on this. People have written dissertations on slots and teasing and how they manipulate play to keep you hooked. All on Google to read on PDFs.

The classic is betting say £1 on a spin and ‘winning’ 30p off that spin. You’ve actually lose 70p but the slots will use colours and sounds and big font with ‘congratulations’ or ‘winner’ to keep you hooked. You’re losing the spin but it makes you believe you’re winning. When you’re running spin after spin you barely notice this at times. It’s clear manipulation and tactics from developers to keep the player hooked.

I think we’re scuppered here in the UK, I see far more regular and bigger wins on crypto sites / American sites but I’m not willing to win big and risk not being paid. It would be devastating. I would love to actually know that stats behind UKGC sites and dodgy crypto sites if anyone had the time to compare two or three of them and the results.

I’m becoming more aware to it as the months roll on, and I’ve been slotting for a little less than a year. I’m not naive and I’m aware of the tactics used to keep players coming back. I only play now in the hope one day I will land huge and it’s at that moment I’ll probably pack it in and then just follow this forum to watch other people’s screens and videos as I genuinely get more fun watching these days than I do playing.
 
I think we’re scuppered here in the UK, I see far more regular and bigger wins on crypto sites / American sites but I’m not willing to win big and risk not being paid. It would be devastating.
Trust me, your level of play (based on the numerous screenshots you post on here) is not high compared to what many bet on crypto sites, so I think you’d be fairly safe (as long as you did your homework and pick a decent crypto casino).

I’ve never had any issues, although my level of play is lower than yours (mostly 0.20, up to a max of 0.30 at times). But you are correct in thinking that it is not risk free.

In saying that, if you are content at playing at local regulated sites then they are still the safest.
 
Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you land them the next spin after dropping to 10p.

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had dead base game spin after dead spin at my usual stake of 60p on slots and then I almost try to tease myself by dropping to 10p just to see if the feature will land and low and behold it does.

I will continue to be absolutely sure of it that these casinos and slots aren’t ‘random’ and ‘can’ indeed manipulate play based on stake. It’s happened far too many times for it to be a coincidence.

Slots temple is also absolutely shocking for decent wins - no surprise they gave you a 1600x feature at 10p lol. You think you were getting that at a quid or even 50p? Not a chance.

Aside from the usual complete lack of evidence, this right here's why I just can't believe any of these casino conspiracy theories and I don't think their proponents do either.

You think a crypto casino may possibly scam you, so you'll stay away from them. But you keep playing on the casinos that you're absolutely certain are scamming you.

I see this same attitude all the time on the live game chats, person after person screaming that the game is rigged and then plonking their next bet down only to scream some more when that one fails too. Apparently it's just a natural human reaction.

Also, it's complex math with tons of variables and I doubt one person spinning real money wagers would ever do enough spins to properly test this theory, but wouldn't you need to reverse your wager pattern to make sure it doesn't also work with an increased wager?
 
Aside from the usual complete lack of evidence, this right here's why I just can't believe any of these casino conspiracy theories and I don't think their proponents do either.

You think a crypto casino may possibly scam you, so you'll stay away from them. But you keep playing on the casinos that you're absolutely certain are scamming you.

I see this same attitude all the time on the live game chats, person after person screaming that the game is rigged and then plonking their next bet down only to scream some more when that one fails too. Apparently it's just a natural human reaction.

Also, it's complex math with tons of variables and I doubt one person spinning real money wagers would ever do enough spins to properly test this theory, but wouldn't you need to reverse your wager pattern to make sure it doesn't also work with an increased wager?

Live casino games from a dealer dealt shoe of cards is a terrible and ridiculous comparison to what you claim are ‘conspiracy theories’ that slots are manipulated.

I haven’t necessarily said I’ll stay away from crypto, I’ve played on black chip poker casino and previously deposited with BTC and had successful withdrawals. I’ve stated my worry would be being paid out a large sum from an unregulated crypto casino. It’s a risk you take.

I also haven’t said I believe UKGC are ‘scamming’ me. I’ve said that there are patterns of behaviour and I don’t necessarily believe the slots are random, so to speak. And all I’ve alluded to above is the tactics and steps they take to keep gamblers hooked, which are clear for all to see and heavily focused and documented tactics.
 
Trust me, your level of play (based on the numerous screenshots you post on here) is not high compared to what many bet on crypto sites, so I think you’d be fairly safe (as long as you did your homework and pick a decent crypto casino).

I’ve never had any issues, although my level of play is lower than yours (mostly 0.20, up to a max of 0.30 at times). But you are correct in thinking that it is not risk free.

In saying that, if you are content at playing at local regulated sites then they are still the safest.

I had to double take for a second when you said level of play as I feel I play a lot (probably too much) but understand you mean stake level, right? So you’re saying that a biggish win should be fine for me at a dollar a spin compared to a huge win for someone bonus buying at 200 odd? Than makes sense I guess , I’m not the type of player the casino needs to worry about.
 
Live casino games from a dealer dealt shoe of cards is a terrible and ridiculous comparison to what you claim are ‘conspiracy theories’ that slots are manipulated.

I haven’t necessarily said I’ll stay away from crypto, I’ve played on black chip poker casino and previously deposited with BTC and had successful withdrawals. I’ve stated my worry would be being paid out a large sum from an unregulated crypto casino. It’s a risk you take.

I also haven’t said I believe UKGC are ‘scamming’ me. I’ve said that there are patterns of behaviour and I don’t necessarily believe the slots are random, so to speak. And all I’ve alluded to above is the tactics and steps they take to keep gamblers hooked, which are clear for all to see and heavily focused and documented tactics.

I think anyone who has played any amount of live game shows like Monopoly or Crazy Time, but especially those boosted roulette wheels, will agree that one of the most comment sentiments in those chats is that the casinos are manipulating the results of the game based on which bet options receive the most wagers, that the casino's perpetually calculating which option would cost them the least and then manipulating the game to land on those. That's perfectly comparable to your theory about slots and varying stakes.

There's a big difference between using RNG to make slots more addictive and manipulating a game so that people who play higher stakes have less chance to win because it costs the casino more.

Your idea does quite literally meet the definition of a conspiracy theory and it would require a shockingly large number of people to have remained radio silent about it for years in order for it to exist.
 
There's a big difference between using RNG to make slots more addictive and manipulating a game so that people who play higher stakes have less chance to win because it costs the casino more.
Providers can actually do this.
Providers can make it so different betsizes uses different math models but if the total rtp remains the same they dont have to inform the player it is happening.

You could have a slot where for example 1000x+ wins are impossible to achieve on say any betsize above €5, of course all the highrollers would see all the big wins from other players and believe they are just unlucky even tho it could be literally impossible for them to achieve the same wins.
A pretty good way to drain the balance of highrollers while seriously reducing the risk of them winning anything wortwhile and withdrawing their balance.

It is more or less impossible to know if this sort of rtp manipulation is being used on a slot, but it is unfortunately completely legal so it wouldnt surprise me if it happens.
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Providers can actually do this.
Providers can make it so different betsizes uses different math models but if the total rtp remains the same they dont have to inform the player it is happening.

You could have a slot where for example 1000x+ wins are impossible to achieve on say any betsize above €5, of course all the highrollers would see all the big wins from other players and believe they are just unlucky even tho it could be literally impossible for them to achieve the same wins.
A pretty good way to drain the balance of highrollers while seriously reducing the risk of them winning anything wortwhile and withdrawing their balance.

It is more or less impossible to know if this sort of rtp manipulation is being used on a slot, but it is unfortunately completely legal so it wouldnt surprise me if it happens.
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How can that be legal? That would mean that they're advertising wins that aren't possible. That would surely be fraud.

Also, talk about a pie in the face. I'll give you two guesses what just happened but I bet you'll only need one. And on a Big Bass game of all.
 

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How can that be legal? That would mean that they're advertising wins that aren't possible. That would surely be fraud.

Also, talk about a pie in the face. I'll give you two guesses what just happened but I bet you'll only need one. And on a Big Bass game of all.
It would be for some slots, but in the case of the Big bass games for example you could make it so the max win fish have a 1 in a 100 000 000 000 chance to land instead of 1 in 1 000 000 or whatever it actually is.
Still technically possible but so unlikely it may as well be impossible.

It is possible that i misremembered something about the rules, im just sharing second-hand information i have read here on CM. For rule clarifications i refer you to my lawyer, @Reelsoffun
 
How can that be legal? That would mean that they're advertising wins that aren't possible. That would surely be fraud.

Also, talk about a pie in the face. I'll give you two guesses what just happened but I bet you'll only need one. And on a Big Bass game of all.

650x win at 20p stake. So you’re just confirming what I’ve said above lol.

Nice win either way.
 
How can that be legal? That would mean that they're advertising wins that aren't possible. That would surely be fraud.

Also, talk about a pie in the face. I'll give you two guesses what just happened but I bet you'll only need one. And on a Big Bass game of all.
Yes the wins have to still be possible, but can have different odds for each stake, this is legal and always has been, this is what @Kroffe was referencing, just a slip he said impossible.
 
In fact, only recently have noticed some slots in vegas have actually started to “admit” to this now on the reel screen on changing stakes although it’s very subtle,( text disappears after the spin) so wondering if rules have changed there in that they now have to display it….. or if it’s just the provider being a little more transparent than previously.

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Yes the wins have to still be possible, but can have different odds for each stake, this is legal and always has been, this is what @Kroffe was referencing, just a slip he said impossible.

But does that neccessarily mean the odds go down as the stake goes up, couldn't it be the opposite as an incentive for people to spend more? Or to account for the fact that higher stakes make greater contributions to a progressive jackpot.

Similar to ante bets and bonus buys having slighty higher RTP%'s than base games generally.
 
Most of my facts are based on UK regs, as im not familiar with USA regs, but yes could be that but the fact they have not always displayed such info would imply something has changed.

I didn’t say the odds go down as the stake goes up it very much could be either way, the slot just confirms they do change and I applaud that tbh too much info is hidden from the player that would impede them from making informed choices.

Uk slots however can have mostly hidden stake differences, and can be actually very different volatility wise often lower bonus hit rate with more RTP shifted to base, which of course in turn shifts exposure.

But as this is the 5 scatter thread maybe start a new thread if it’s something you want to continue discussing :)
 
But does that neccessarily mean the odds go down as the stake goes up, couldn't it be the opposite as an incentive for people to spend more? Or to account for the fact that higher stakes make greater contributions to a progressive jackpot.

Similar to ante bets and bonus buys having slighty higher RTP%'s than base games generally.

You seem to be really confused with what we’re all saying here. You keep saying people are saying things they haven’t said or meant.

If you have absolutely 100% confidence in every worldwide casino and believe there’s absolutely no manipulation, legally or illegally that is your choice. We all have our opinions.

As reels has said above, maybe create a thread where this can be discussed further as it’s certainly an interesting topic.
 
Have done more spins on BOD 1 line over the years than possibly this entire active membership combined have done. But that's out of boredom on 1p bets or 2p bets.
After hitting 5000x for the 2nd time on 1line/1p, after millions of spins, I decided to go all out and dabble on 1line/2p.

I'd always leave not too long after once the 750x symbols rolled in during the base or FS, that was my target when bored. Kill time and play until I hit a 750x 5oak (or on a rare day, something better). Never gonna hurt on 1p, at least.

After years using this approach on 1p, hitting 5000x twice, then finally changing it to 2p, it became quite easily observable (due to endless dead spins on 1 line, sometimes you could go 200 dead spins in a row, so wins were relatively easy to track) that the amount of average spins between each time I'd hit the 750x 5oak on 1p, had on average, quadrupled, now that I'm pounding away on 2p.

I persisted for months, months and months, and yet stilll, the average amount of spins between each 750x win would still not drop down, continuing to take on average 4x the amount of spins between n each time the target win would hit than it was doing on 1p/1line. Sometimes way more than just 4x the average, falling into previously ( when on 1p) completely unheard of territory.

It was staggering, and consistant over millions of spins, just how less common the 750x would drop on 2p compared to 1p. 4x less common in my experience on average, over a copious amount of spins.

My point being, the 750x win on BOD while on 1 line is a significant hit playing on 1 line, a hit that would persuade many people to leave the slot if they achieved itcshortl after roing so. Lower hits weren't persuasive in regards to cashing out from the game, you'd tend to keep playing.

This would no doubt become obvious to anyone who observed players playing patterns with the intent to modify the game in a way that keeps a player playing for as long as possible, that by making that particular win much rarer oh higher stakes , they're going to in general spend more trying to achieve it, or wins like it, before leaving the game if they eventually do.

The rtp would end up the same, but the player would cash out much less often due to hitting that type of win much less often than on the lower stakes they originally played the game on. (Damn mofo's, so many of those 2p's you took from me!!!).

It might have only been 2p/1 line, but compared to the 1p version it ripped me a new A hole on the regular, because I assumed it played the same on all stakes, and a 150x win on 2p wasn't gonna send me to the withdrawal page, so I was never really leaving until I hit a 750x, better (lol), or just busted out.

Legal, but sneaky as fook.

Can't prove it but I knows its. :)


Anyway, sorry to continue diverting from the thread topic. Just figured it was worth sharing my observations in regards to this particular conversation.
 
Have done more spins on BOD 1 line over the years than possibly this entire active membership combined have done. But that's out of boredom on 1p bets or 2p bets.
After hitting 5000x for the 2nd time on 1line/1p, after millions of spins, I decided to go all out and dabble on 1line/2p.

I'd always leave not too long after once the 750x symbols rolled in during the base or FS, that was my target when bored. Kill time and play until I hit a 750x 5oak (or on a rare day, something better). Never gonna hurt on 1p, at least.

After years using this approach on 1p, hitting 5000x twice, then finally changing it to 2p, it became quite easily observable (due to endless dead spins on 1 line, sometimes you could go 200 dead spins in a row, so wins were relatively easy to track) that the amount of average spins between each time I'd hit the 750x 5oak on 1p, had on average, quadrupled, now that I'm pounding away on 2p.

I persisted for months, months and months, and yet stilll, the average amount of spins between each 750x win would still not drop down, continuing to take on average 4x the amount of spins between n each time the target win would hit than it was doing on 1p/1line. Sometimes way more than just 4x the average, falling into previously ( when on 1p) completely unheard of territory.

It was staggering, and consistant over millions of spins, just how less common the 750x would drop on 2p compared to 1p. 4x less common in my experience on average, over a copious amount of spins.

My point being, the 750x win on BOD while on 1 line is a significant hit playing on 1 line, a hit that would persuade many people to leave the slot if they achieved itcshortl after roing so. Lower hits weren't persuasive in regards to cashing out from the game, you'd tend to keep playing.

This would no doubt become obvious to anyone who observed players playing patterns with the intent to modify the game in a way that keeps a player playing for as long as possible, that by making that particular win much rarer oh higher stakes , they're going to in general spend more trying to achieve it, or wins like it, before leaving the game if they eventually do.

The rtp would end up the same, but the player would cash out much less often due to hitting that type of win much less often than on the lower stakes they originally played the game on. (Damn mofo's, so many of those 2p's you took from me!!!).

It might have only been 2p/1 line, but compared to the 1p version it ripped me a new A hole on the regular, because I assumed it played the same on all stakes, and a 150x win on 2p wasn't gonna send me to the withdrawal page, so I was never really leaving until I hit a 750x, better (lol), or just busted out.

Legal, but sneaky as fook.

Can't prove it but I knows its. :)


Anyway, sorry to continue diverting from the thread topic. Just figured it was worth sharing my observations in regards to this particular conversation.

Quite a post right here addict. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to say, in a much more concise, almost ‘evidence’ round about way.

I’m going to start doing a similar thing, I’m going to actually grind 10p spins on my favourite big bass games and record my results. I’m then going to do the same at 20p. It won’t be as many spins as you, but I’ll be interested to see what hits at lower stakes (or the lowest) compared to upping them.

Interestingly, my three max wins on big bass slots in 2025 have come at 30p, 40p and 40p. I’ve hit a max fish for 1000x on bonanza 1000 at 60p and 70p but never higher and certainly nowhere near the max payout of 20,000x.

The biggest I’ve see on 1000 for a max win is at 50p stake on YouTube with real money. I also saw a max win on this forum once on floats my boat and that was 5000x @50p. I would be really interested to see if anyone’s ever had a big bass max win at more than 50p. Who knows.
 
Just hit this for the third time 5 scatter epic bonus on Ze Zeus again only on 10p at Betfred but this time paid me over 2000x so not shabby this time round 👌
 

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Not sure of the odds of this. Played this game alot and even 4 scatters is very rare. The more scatters you get the more spins you get. Instead of 15 spins. I got 35.

Scatters only paid 100x. Bonus only paid 93x. So extremely disappointing but ive been around long enough that when a slot pretends there is good potential, its 99% disappointing!

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