3Dice playout

[Joe Pumper]

Hi, i'm new of this site and i have a bad (very bad english)
3Dice casino on Casinomeister says that his playout is 98.48%
But is wrong!
I dont want to be rich with casino games, i play for fun and my pleasure, but i hate "the reversal form"
For reversal form i want mean that suddenly changed the balance of playout.
The assistant of 3Dice have confirmed the down of percentage, 93%.
This is unacceptable, because the standard must be homogeneous in time.
$700 played in 3 days, have shown that there is a reversal.
3Dice its speed for payment, have good games, but its his duty to protect the player.
the gap between 98,48 and 93 is high!
which protects me if I'm not aware of this fluctuation?
for me is as good as they said: 98.48% and i belive their percentage declared.
mine is not venting loser, but it would be fair that 3Dice adopt a more transparent system.

Thanks to Casinomesiter for giving me this post

 

[blonde]

Are you basing this off of personal play or the Zeitgeist?

 

[Joe Pumper]

Are you basing this off of personal play or the Zeitgeist?

No blonde, i'm so stupid that I belong to a nonprofit organization that makes charitable

 

[blonde]

No blonde, i'm so stupid that I belong to a nonprofit organization that makes charitable

I wasn't being a smart arse by no means was just asking you. I will refrain from trying to help you out if this is the response I am going to get. Good luck in the games.

 

[Joe Pumper]

I wasn't being a smart arse by no means was just asking you. I will refrain from trying to help you out if this is the response I am going to get. Good luck in the games.

Blonde,
english is a probl for me, and i reply for sens of humor
i know it's not easy to understand, and I tried to be as understandable.
I think that through my simple English, you can understand the 3D
Obviously, I write for personal play, otherwise he would not make sense.
In the last 2 weeks I have seen a radical change, and I have attributed to the Random Number Generator.
For me, the Random Number Generator is a risk that makes use of good times and the bad times.
I do not like the consistency of the same event.
I admit that can also be the case to determine the wrong time.
But the casino 3Dice differs from all other casino, precisely to a constant return.
And 2 weeks is too much for me.
Especially when declare a playout rate, that when play is not true

 

[Simmo!]

I'm not sure I fully understood the original post but if I'm right, you are saying that during your playtime, you didn't get anywhere near the advertised payout of 98%. Is that right?

If so, then that's totally normal - at any casino whether it is online or land-based. Just because the overall payout is advertised doesn't mean every player will get it. And in fact, if it did, it would mean every player would lose

 

[Seventh777]

Blonde,
english is a probl for me, and i reply for sens of humor

Italians have a sense of humour?

 

[LHofsdal]

Italians have a sense of humour?

Hey now, I am 50% Italian and 50% Puerto Rican and I have a great sense of humor, if I didn't I would be going at you for your signature! LOL

LH

 

[LHofsdal]

Hi, i'm new of this site and i have a bad (very bad english)
3Dice casino on Casinomeister says that his playout is 98.48%
But is wrong!
I dont want to be rich with casino games, i play for fun and my pleasure, but i hate "the reversal form"
For reversal form i want mean that suddenly changed the balance of playout.
The assistant of 3Dice have confirmed the down of percentage, 93%.
This is unacceptable, because the standard must be homogeneous in time.
$700 played in 3 days, have shown that there is a reversal.
3Dice its speed for payment, have good games, but its his duty to protect the player.
the gap between 98,48 and 93 is high!
which protects me if I'm not aware of this fluctuation?
for me is as good as they said: 98.48% and i belive their percentage declared.
mine is not venting loser, but it would be fair that 3Dice adopt a more transparent system.

Thanks to Casinomesiter for giving me this post

I know it is frustrating when you can't hit anything, but 3dice is just like any other casino in that aspect. I don't know what you were betting or what games you were playing, but even if you were to play at an RTG casino, you will see that your personal RTP is lower then what the casino has posted as a general RTP.

3dice isn't for everyone, but when it comes to customer service, and treatment of players, there is no one better then them. Not only do they reward their loyal players, but the friends you do make there in their chat room lasts forever. I have had my good days and bad days with 3dice, and my husband is not to keen on them, but he does see why I go back. And I go back often. Not one casino that is available to US players comes close to the level of service at 3dice.

Your time will come, if you hang in there you will see what I am saying. Take a look at the winner screenshots section, you will see some pretty nice hits on bets of 50 cents and 60 cents. It can happen and does happen, at 3dice.

Hang in there and good luck to you!

LH

 

[kingsino]

The payout that Casinomeister is referring to (I assume) is the actual RTP of last month's play which is different from the theoretical RTP.

Also the payout referred to is probably the average payout which means some games have a T-RTP of 93% and some 99.6%.

Good luck!

 

[Joe Pumper]

I'm not sure I fully understood the original post but if I'm right, you are saying that during your playtime, you didn't get anywhere near the advertised payout of 98%. Is that right?

If so, then that's totally normal - at any casino whether it is online or land-based. Just because the overall payout is advertised doesn't mean every player will get it. And in fact, if it did, it would mean every player would lose

Simmo! thank for reply
Yes, that's right!
My doubt is for 98.48%
When I contacted chat support, they told me it was 93% in the last period.
Maybe I'm wrong, but attest to a percentage and in fact suffer another, does not seem right!
I accept your idea and do not exclude it, but I remain with the doubt.

 

[Joe Pumper]

Italians have a sense of humour?

italians sell sense of humour

Hey now, I am 50% Italian and 50% Puerto Rican and I have a great sense of humor, if I didn't I would be going at you for your signature! LOL

LH

 

[Joe Pumper]

I know it is frustrating when you can't hit anything, but 3dice is just like any other casino in that aspect. I don't know what you were betting or what games you were playing, but even if you were to play at an RTG casino, you will see that your personal RTP is lower then what the casino has posted as a general RTP.

3dice isn't for everyone, but when it comes to customer service, and treatment of players, there is no one better then them. Not only do they reward their loyal players, but the friends you do make there in their chat room lasts forever. I have had my good days and bad days with 3dice, and my husband is not to keen on them, but he does see why I go back. And I go back often. Not one casino that is available to US players comes close to the level of service at 3dice.

Your time will come, if you hang in there you will see what I am saying. Take a look at the winner screenshots section, you will see some pretty nice hits on bets of 50 cents and 60 cents. It can happen and does happen, at 3dice.

Hang in there and good luck to you!

LH

LHofsdal thanks you for reply
I really like the 3Dice casino, perhaps because I saw more advantages than others.
The speed with which they pay the winnings is exemplary.
I was hoping (and I say honestly) that other users of Casinomeister had an experience like mine.
At the moment I am the only one, so I'm not alone.
And I hope to be the only.
So my confidence remains the same as 1 month ago.

 

[Joe Pumper]

The payout that Casinomeister is referring to (I assume) is the actual RTP of last month's play which is different from the theoretical RTP.

Also the payout referred to is probably the average payout which means some games have a T-RTP of 93% and some 99.6%.

Good luck!

Hi kingsino,
it makes me realize that I am a newbie?
perhaps
I have the disadvantage of English and many concepts elude me
I will try to make experience of your knowing

Thanks to you too!

 

[Respin_Ftw]

My RTP for the last 2 weeks is 54% on 3Dice! Live with it =)

 

[Joe Pumper]

Are you basing this off of personal play or the Zeitgeist?

excuse me blonde :notworthy

at this moment I understood what you were referring.
I did not know that page called Zeitgeist
I saw now for the first time
sorry again

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there's a part of the 3Dice's site that I had never explored
I log on 3Dice with software installed only and I had entered never into the official page
well, I take note and read graphics

 

[blonde]

excuse me blonde :notworthy

at this moment I understood what you were referring.
I did not know that page called Zeitgeist
I saw now for the first time
sorry again

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there's a part of the 3Dice's site that I had never explored
I log on 3Dice with software installed only and I had entered never into the official page
well, I take note and read graphics

No problem. Not sure why I thought that is what you meant. Hope things start getting better for you at 3Dice. I too get frustrated with the games, but its gambling. Our day will come when we blow it out of the park. GLGLGLGL

 

[Nifty29]

Hi, i'm new of this site and i have a bad (very bad english)
3Dice casino on Casinomeister says that his playout is 98.48%
But is wrong!
I dont want to be rich with casino games, i play for fun and my pleasure, but i hate "the reversal form"
For reversal form i want mean that suddenly changed the balance of playout.
The assistant of 3Dice have confirmed the down of percentage, 93%.
This is unacceptable, because the standard must be homogeneous in time.
$700 played in 3 days, have shown that there is a reversal.
3Dice its speed for payment, have good games, but its his duty to protect the player.
the gap between 98,48 and 93 is high!
which protects me if I'm not aware of this fluctuation?
for me is as good as they said: 98.48% and i belive their percentage declared.
mine is not venting loser, but it would be fair that 3Dice adopt a more transparent system.

Thanks to Casinomesiter for giving me this post

The advertised RTP is a theoretical one. It means that once every possible combination has come up, 98.48% of the money invested will have been paid back to players.

Important points about that are:

* The money paid back is spread across all players I.e. RTP does not mean Return To You.

* Chances are you will never see every combination, and certainly you will see the same ones repeated many times over. Hence you are unlikely to attain 98.48% return.

* Measuring your personal RTP over a few weeks and $700 is a complete waste of time, and is no basis for complaint and especially not evidence that the casino is being dishonest or cheating you.

IMO you need to think carefully next time before you accuse an operator of unethical behaviour just because you didn't win.

 

[Joe Pumper]

The advertised RTP is a theoretical one. It means that once every possible combination has come up, 98.48% of the money invested will have been paid back to players.

Important points about that are:

* The money paid back is spread across all players I.e. RTP does not mean Return To You.

* Chances are you will never see every combination, and certainly you will see the same ones repeated many times over. Hence you are unlikely to attain 98.48% return.

* Measuring your personal RTP over a few weeks and $700 is a complete waste of time, and is no basis for complaint and especially not evidence that the casino is being dishonest or cheating you.

IMO you need to think carefully next time before you accuse an operator of unethical behaviour just because you didn't win.

Sorry Nifty,
Tell me where you read that I have given the dishonest 3Dice.
You're the one doing this consideration, with the injury.
I only wrote that the RTP have a gap.
Theoretical data is uncertain.
Writing that the return is 98.48% is a fact, as shown in the info of 3Dice.
Then it was better to write "we have a 98.48 RTP but is only a virtual value"

$ 700 (actually $ 800) are played in 3 days, with spin $ 1

I admit, I'm a romantic: I did a little spin just now ($ 50), and for me is worse than before.

For me the casino is mostly only for fun.
Nifty (if you allow me) if I enjoy (even not winning) then i come back into casino.

I am only one limitation:
I can not easily express myself because I do not know English
(google translate only)

 

[Cleveland]

Sorry Nifty,
Tell me where you read that I have given the dishonest 3Dice.

3Dice playout (fake)

 

[Nifty29]

Sorry Nifty,
Tell me where you read that I have given the dishonest 3Dice.
You're the one doing this consideration, with the injury.
I only wrote that the RTP have a gap.
Theoretical data is uncertain.
Writing that the return is 98.48% is a fact, as shown in the info of 3Dice.
Then it was better to write "we have a 98.48 RTP but is only a virtual value"

$ 700 (actually $ 800) are played in 3 days, with spin $ 1

I admit, I'm a romantic: I did a little spin just now ($ 50), and four me is worse than before.

For me the casino is mostly only for fun.
Nifty (if you allow me) if I enjoy (even not winning) then i come back into casino.

I am only one limitation:
I can not easily express myself because I do not know English
(google translate only)

As Cleveland said.....look at the title. You also stated that 3dice had reduced their payout without telling anyone, which is dishonest.

Is there anyone who speaks Italian that could translate for the op?

Google translator is no good for English forums.

 

[Joe Pumper]

for me fake mean "not true"
and it's really "not true"

 

[rockycatt]

Joe i investigate = you can use English very well when you want ,eh

 

[Joe Pumper]

As Cleveland said.....look at the title. You also stated that 3dice had reduced their payout without telling anyone, which is dishonest.

Is there anyone who speaks Italian that could translate for the op?

Google translator is no good for English forums.

How do I know the real playout, if noone communicates?
is the second time you use the word dishonest.
and you are the only one that have used.
your conclusions are just yours
not to sign with my hand, your conclusions only

 

[Joe Pumper]

Joe i investigate = you can use English very well when you want ,eh

 

[Cleveland]

well for starters the following post isn't done through google translate:

LHofsdal thanks you for reply
I really like the 3Dice casino, perhaps because I saw more advantages than others.
The speed with which they pay the winnings is exemplary.
I was hoping (and I say honestly) that other users of Casinomeister had an experience like mine.
At the moment I am the only one, so I'm not alone.
And I hope to be the only.
So my confidence remains the same as 1 month ago.

 

[Joe Pumper]

I am a winner of 3Dice
but, (and I hoped that you granted me), I accept the reversal, but not prolonged and fixed

I play for over 40 years, and experience suggests to me to have flexibility and foresight

not only virtual casino game, real casino, horses, sport and more
I bet if from a lift will come out a man or a woman

$800 and do not change my life,
it's just a matter of principle (mine)

that's all

I understand that in this 3D wrote 2 kinds of people:
those that explain,
and those who make moral.
has a forum aims to understand, explain and correct the error and remove the doubt

Casinomeister thank for the hospitality and for given me, the opportunity to write in this board

 

[Joe Pumper]

well for starters the following post isn't done through google translate:

if you think that, its your probl

I care that I am the only one who noticed the gap
If i'm only, i am a minority, and then I could be at fault

nothing else matters

 

[The Dude]

Admin note: thread renamed

Just an admin note - removed "(fake)" from the title. As far as I know, there is nothing fake about 3Dice's RTP.

 

[aliengenius]

my experience at 3dice

Let me start by saying that I like 3dice casino...the games are fun and it has nice features. Depositing is smooth and I like that if I want to just put $10 on for a short session I can do that. The transparency of the RTP is a very nice feature though I'm left questioning its veracity because...

I NEVER WIN.

I don't even get close 99% of the time. It's just a matter of how fast does the money drain. Most of the games are structured such that you win a mere fraction of your bet when you line up 3 or even 4 symbols. Having to line up a complete set of 5 just to win beyond your bet seems a bit ridiculous. I keep thinking I'm just on the worst luck streak in casino history but I don't think so. Nowhere else have I experienced such low payouts, low paying and infrequent bonus screens and lack of staying power than at 3dice. It's a real shame too since I really enjoy the games and the environment. I even encouraged others to check it out and they have the same results.

If the RTP percentages are to be believed then that can only mean that players are against rough odds, meaning its more akin to a lottery whereby you hardly ever win anything until you do, then BAM you win the motherlode. I have no problem with this if it is understood and explained to the players. I do have a problem with implying high RTP only because a few very lucky souls pad the overall numbers where most individuals will never see squat.

With the amount of money I've deposited and the number of times I've deposited, there is no other casino that comes near the low return I've experienced at 3dice. I include in my analysis the value of being able to play for a given amount of time on a deposit. I see value in this as I'm having a good time even if I lose my money. When I'm consistently done in under 15 minutes with the same betting/deposit I put to other casinos where I last for 45min to over 5 hours there's something funny going on.

Perhaps I am on a bad streak, it does happen, as we've all had them IRL as well as at the casino and if so, please refute what I've stated. I'd love to hear feedback one way or the other. We'll never get close to the truth without speaking out. I'm so curious about this I joined this site/forum just to post on this and get feedback. Thanks to all and good luck!

 

[Nifty29]

Let me start by saying that I like 3dice casino...the games are fun and it has nice features. Depositing is smooth and I like that if I want to just put $10 on for a short session I can do that. The transparency of the RTP is a very nice feature though I'm left questioning its veracity because...

I NEVER WIN.

I don't even get close 99% of the time. It's just a matter of how fast does the money drain. Most of the games are structured such that you win a mere fraction of your bet when you line up 3 or even 4 symbols. Having to line up a complete set of 5 just to win beyond your bet seems a bit ridiculous. I keep thinking I'm just on the worst luck streak in casino history but I don't think so. Nowhere else have I experienced such low payouts, low paying and infrequent bonus screens and lack of staying power than at 3dice. It's a real shame too since I really enjoy the games and the environment. I even encouraged others to check it out and they have the same results.

If the RTP percentages are to be believed then that can only mean that players are against rough odds, meaning its more akin to a lottery whereby you hardly ever win anything until you do, then BAM you win the motherlode. I have no problem with this if it is understood and explained to the players. I do have a problem with implying high RTP only because a few very lucky souls pad the overall numbers where most individuals will never see squat.

With the amount of money I've deposited and the number of times I've deposited, there is no other casino that comes near the low return I've experienced at 3dice. I include in my analysis the value of being able to play for a given amount of time on a deposit. I see value in this as I'm having a good time even if I lose my money. When I'm consistently done in under 15 minutes with the same betting/deposit I put to other casinos where I last for 45min to over 5 hours there's something funny going on.

Perhaps I am on a bad streak, it does happen, as we've all had them IRL as well as at the casino and if so, please refute what I've stated. I'd love to hear feedback one way or the other. We'll never get close to the truth without speaking out. I'm so curious about this I joined this site/forum just to post on this and get feedback. Thanks to all and good luck!

Firstly, welcome to the forum. It's a great place to visit and has a wealth of knowledge to learn from.

I'm not sure about what level of knowledge you have regarding slots and how RTP is calculated and distributed, so I won't go into it until I know.

The thing is with slots is that some are programmed to pay put small-medium wins frequently with a slim chance of something big, and some to pay out very small wins frequently with a better chance of hitting a monster......and all permutations in between.

So, RTP tells you nothing about how long your money should last.

Maybe you could tell us what you know and we can fill in the gaps for you

One thing I can say is that there's no conspiracy or cheating or deception going on at 3Dice, nor at the vast majority of online casinos. Always use the casinos from the Accredited List here at CM and you're assured of fair play.

 

[aliengenius]

What RTP should mean is how much the casino pays out to it's players vs. how much it takes in on deposits. You can do this on a net or gross basis based on expense calculations etc. It would not mean on an individual level as that would be unreasonable and lead to boring play. If it "actually" means something else then please let me know. The RTP on a particular game would indicate if it is a money winner or loser for the casino during a particular period of time. This would in no way guarantee any one person a particular win. Each player result is a data point. As you accumulate more and more data points one would hope to edge nearer the stated RTP over time and with enough points of data.

My analysis is only based on years of personal experience and I admit statistical aberrations do occur, god knows I've had my share both good and bad. My point here is to determine if others have a similar or differing experience. I in no way wish to malign 3dice or make accusations. I simply don't have the proof to do so. Even if I lost a thousand dollars a day for 10 years I'd still not have proof, only a STRONG suspicion lol.

I really do like playing there and I hope my experience is an aberration. I do notice that the games are labeled medium-very high variance. I take this to mean some hit low and often and others hit hard and infrequently. Sadly, I see little difference between them. They all hit low and/or infrequently lol save for one. I forget the name...something falls I think, has the dinosaur...This one plays like most other casinos save for having a tendency toward lousy bonus payouts.

Anecdotally I've also noticed that higher bets tend to play better than minimums, meaning they hit more often and with better results (percentage wise). This may be by design. I have no way of knowing. I'm NOT a high roller and usually play between minimum and a buck, sometimes two if I'm doing well. Perhaps I'll go once more to battle at 3dice to see if my luck has turned or at least become a little less frustrating.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I really do like playing there and I hope my experience is an aberration. I do notice that the games are labeled medium-very high variance. I take this to mean some hit low and often and others hit hard and infrequently. Sadly, I see little difference between them. They all hit low and/or infrequently lol save for one. I forget the name...something falls I think, has the dinosaur...This one plays like most other casinos save for having a tendency toward lousy bonus payouts.

You're thinking of Fortune Falls, watch yourself on that one. It is low-medium variance in the main but a lot of the RTP is tied up in the 5 scatters bonus round, if you don't hit that you'll be doing well to get an RTP of over 88% on it. (The 5 scatters bonus round guarantees between 400x and 1600x stake.)

I got 23,000 spins worth of my logs on that slot from 3Dice and my RTP was 87.92%, I've since put another 3000-4000 spins through it and got the same again.

According to 3Dice (I asked them) the chance of hitting the 5 scatters bonus round (either dropping straight in or a 4 > 5 upgrade or a 3 > 4 > 5 upgrade) is 1/11534.