Dead or Alive slots - your opinions on why it's so popular.

[dunover]

Right, I have seen the screenies. Like any sensible person I take them with a pinch of salt; we all know they are the exception.

I played it for the first time yesterday, with a 73p residual balance in ComeOn, at 9p stake and made it to 11.81. I raised to 18p and got a near-'wonder' hit like some of you, went up to 41 pounds. Raised to 45p and lost it in 10 minutes. Good fun for pennies, but I have theories of its appeal when compared to the old stalwart BDBA we play for a HV fix.

First, a small difference, but you get paid for 3,4,5 scatters unlike BDBA.
Secondly, it keeps your stake better in that you get frequent 0.25 - 2 credit wins.
Thirdly, wilds are more frequent although not at 5x.
Fourth, you at least see some small wins in the bonus round and seldom get these ridiculous 1-2x stake bonus rounds. Bonus rounds are slightly more frequent as far I saw.
Lastly and most importantly: BDBA produces dead spins on freespins that are apparent immediately first reel stops in most cases and useless wilds plague it and the frustration of stupid safes dropping where you need a symbol. These negatives are not the main thing - it's the fact the 'BIG ONE' on DoA is effectively progressive with the sticky wilds. It keeps you interested most rounds by teasing with the characters landing on the first few spins once or twice in most cases. BDBA bores you witless when after the tedious 27 pointless extra spins you end up with 100 coins.

In my short encounter with this, I can see the attraction.

P.S. Apolgies for thread title error - obviously WHY it's so popular....

 

[polli123]

Well, i like DoA because of its feature: the wilds stay on screen within the free spins. Of course, there are many slots offering a feature this way.

But only DoA with only 9 lines offer these huge wins we can daily see here at Casinomeister & at other forums.

 

[dunover]

The jackpot is theoretically higher than BDBA. IF you got a screen of wilds you could win 9x5wilds. I wonder if this hit ever occurred, it could happen BEFORE the last of the extra spins, i.e. effectively getting a 'hold' on the JP?

 

[polli123]

If you get the 5 wilds on your spin it's even 17x the max payout. But the max total win i've ever seen on DoA is a bit more than 8000x bet size...

 

[dunover]

If you get the 5 wilds on your spin it's even 17x the max payout. But the max total win i've ever seen on DoA is a bit more than 8000x bet size...

Yeah, I saw that screenshot. Just how big could it get though?

 

[polli123]

5 scatters give you 3000 coins during the free spins. Max coin size is .50, so in max level x5 what means you get 15.000 per five wilds (22.50 total bet). So the max win is 17 spins x 15.000 x 0,5 =127.500 USD / Euro

Am i right?

Edit: this is for just one line with 5 wilds. So you will get a much higher win if this really would came during the first spin!

 

[Nate]

DOA is popular on CM because of me - lol

When I hammered away at it there were very few people that played it from this Forum. I would like to believe I am or have been a tad bit influential in getting players to play the game.

Respin_FTW, Tirilej and Rainmaker to name a few. I still remember Tirilej's first hit as well as Rainmakers and Respins...

Rainmaker used to be a pig farmer before he became a deputy Sheriff .. Respin used to ride around on Santa's Sleigh with Rudolph the red nose Reindeer.

In any event... I play Break Da Bank just as much as I play DOA. Break Da Bank is a medium variance slot in comparison to DOA. There are so many BIG hits in the base game whereas DOA pays just a little over 100x bet for its biggest hit. It is possible to get the Sheriffs badges on 2 pay lines effectively making the biggest hit a wee bit over 200x bet.

Now if we compare that to BDBA - The base game has a hit with the Sapphires for a little over 800x bet. There are other high paying symbols which DOA lacks completely.

DOA is meant to be a Very High Variance game with Big wins ONLY coming during the Free spins. The base game has a RTP of around 80-82% if I'm not mistaken. The rest of the RTP (As much as 15%) is stacked in the Free spins.

The game has a tendency to go on LONG dry spells and also can go apeshit once in a while. I saw Redbet had 3 hits of over 2000x within 2 days... That's Crazy!!

DOA can also not throw you 5 wilds in hundreds of features (Even if the 5 wilds pay less than 100x bet) - Some samples I have seen hit close to 40 000 spins without 5 wilds dropping once

I still maintain that Casinos with the most traffic (especially where DOA is popular) generate big hits more often. Smaller places seem to be the places i ALWAYS get destroyed at. I am a sucker for punishment but I can speak statistically and tell you that my results have been at its worse at Smaller places where the game is not popular. Ofcourse 5 Wilds are possible at any Casino at any time but I have played both Big and Smaller Casinos equally and the stats do NOT Lie

In a nutshell, I can't see any other online Slot paying as much as DOA for small bet sizes (Exclusing Random Jackpots / Progressives) Immortal Romance comes close but 4 Wilds wont touch DOA on any day. My biggest hit on DOA is 4100x bet ... My biggest on BDBA is around 1800x - The hit on DOA is bigger than the TOP Award on BDBA.

I would love to see a 5 Scatter trigger with 5 Wilds one day - I'm assuming its possible.

I see that a few places advertise that the MAXIMUM win for this Slot is $886 800 - It does not stipulate at what betsize. Redbet has this on their website but the max bet for DOA is 18 euro... If that payout were to hit it would be close to 49 000x bet - a 36 Euro bet would be half of that at around 24 000x bet.

Maybe one of the Reps from a NetEnt Casino can enlighten us how the max win is possible and at what stake.

In any event, I'm not trying to compete with VWM here so let me end the post

Nate

 

[dunover]

Don't apologize Nate! I actually enjoy VWM's dissertations....

 

[mrmark21]

I can see the appeal, I've played thousands of spins on BDBA without so much as three of the top paying symbol with a wild. Most features on BDBA are complately useless, leaving me without so much as a 100x score. I've stopped playing BDBA and have started spending on Reel Steal and DoA the former has already paid off with a 2000x hit. I've gotta say I prefer Netent slots.

 

[clees42]

I see that a few places advertise that the MAXIMUM win for this Slot is $886 800 - It does not stipulate at what betsize. Redbet has this on their website but the max bet for DOA is 18 euro... If that payout were to hit it would be close to 49 000x bet - a 36 Euro bet would be half of that at around 24 000x bet.

First you start the feature with 5 scatter and then retrigger again with 5 scatters. Then you get 5 wilds added in 3 consecutive spins.
first 2 spins would give 4x 5oak wilds wins and leave you with 21 spins with screen full of wilds.
Total 193 times 5 wilds and 7500x win from the 5 scatter hits.

 

[homerbert]

zomg, come on, you dont know it? DOA havent scatters in freespins.

 

[Nate]

First you start the feature with 5 scatter and then retrigger again with 5 scatters. Then you get 5 wilds added in 3 consecutive spins.
first 2 spins would give 4x 5oak wilds wins and leave you with 21 spins with screen full of wilds.
Total 193 times 5 wilds and 7500x win from the 5 scatter hits.

As Homerbert mentioned, DOA does not have scatters in the Free Spins nor are re-triggers possible

Nate

 

[Balthazar]

BDBA has way more dead spins, but also has more ways to hit big (even in the base game) and is a bit less boring to play (IMO). I also tend to get more play time on Real Steel and BDBA than on DoA.

 

[ValDes]

Let me share my two cents about DoA.

First, if I was a NetEnt manager I would have probably hired Nate long time ago and made from him the face of my software!:notworthy I doubt there is a person out there, who can be even close to what this guy has made to popularize not only DoA, but NetEnt as a whole! Sorry Rainmaker, you are just a step behind!

Second, I just can't remember of a slot game with bigger theoretical possible win! Let's do some math. In the Free Spin feature you can get screen full of wilds at the third spin (the max number of wilds which can appear in a single spin during the FS is 5), so here's the calculation:
1 spin x 5 wilds at a winning line = 3000 coins.
1 spin x 10 wilds (5 wilds from the first spin + another 5 wilds at a winning line) = 6000 coins. (The given example is the worst possible, cause there is possibility for much better combination if the 10 wilds landed on line 1 and 2 )
then follows 15 spins x 15 wilds = 15 x 3000 x 9 = 405 000 coins
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Total: 3000+6000+405000 = 414 000 coins! Or in other words if your stake is 0,09 (1 coin per line), than the max possible win is 4140! Which is much better even from IR best possibility of 3450. Not to mantion that IR best is for 0,30 stake, not 0,09! The comparison with BDBA is useless - 750 (it is possible to get the tanzanite stones twice in a single winning combination, but it is impossible to have it more than onc during the Free Spins Feature, isn't it?) compared with 4140 is more than 10 times in favor of DoA!

I play this ... can't find the right word ... killer slot (it could be really a killer and will probably be!) for ages! Have seen most of it, have all of it,won much, lost much. Can't compare with Nate, since I'm playing at much lower stakes but still had some mind blowing wins over the years. The best one so far is 5 scatters at 0,36 bet + 3 spins with 5 wilds on a winning payline dirung the free spins! Insane!
Anyway, I would not reccomend thi slot to any of my friends! This game could simply destroy your heart ... and mind ... and pocket!

 

[clees42]

As Homerbert mentioned, DOA does not have scatters in the Free Spins nor are re-triggers possible

Nate

i am pretty sure that i have gotten 12x extra spins with retrigger once long time ago.
the paytable does say that it can be retriggered one time.
The previous page says that 5 wilds on each real activates additional 5 spins, so the retrigger is not about the wilds.

 

[Nate]

Let me share my two cents about DoA.

First, if I was a NetEnt manager I would have probably hired Nate long time ago and made from him the face of my software!:notworthy I doubt there is a person out there, who can be even close to what this guy has made to popularize not only DoA, but NetEnt as a whole! Sorry Rainmaker, you are just a step behind!

Lol thanks ValDes - I think I did popularize DOA to an extent but I am a few steps behind Rainmaker - He is a stalker... A NetEnt Stalker . A lot of the popularity of the software as a whole on CM is attributed to him. He spends more time than anyone on topics related to NetEnt and also updates the forum regularly.

There are a couple of DOA big hitters on the forum.. Some of them play up to $3.60 a spin

BDBA has been terrible for me this month. I sat on sessions for hours on BDBA - some of them for 3000 - 4000 spins and was actually mauled. The best I managed was the sapphires for $2250 off a $2.70 bet at 32Red. I had hits for the notes and cheques but my last 1000x plus hit came last month (notes in the FS)

I had two hits in the 3500x region on DOA plus a few 1000x hits. I got 5 wilds probably over 10 times this month BUT I played lots to get them.

Break Da Bank is a really great slot.. I love it. The more I play it, the more I realise that its just a balance enhancer at most times. In the last few days I had hits for 80x - 100x bet in the base game and free spins. I normally continue when I hit these and find that BDBA will take that 100x back quickly 8 out of 10 times. I sometimes hit or get my balance up quickly but the bigger hits over 1000x are less frequent than DOA.

DOA is insane - It has a tendency to throw Free Spins sometimes 8 - 10 times in 100 spins and then make you wait another 500 spins for the next batch of spins. The feature trigger frequency on DOA is somewhere around once every 148 / 150 spins. Trust me .. I have seen MORE features on DOA than BDBA BUT the FS on BDBA do not pay as little as DOA all the time

I love DOA - I have had some great sessions on it and equally some great losses

Nate

 

[Nate]

i am pretty sure that i have gotten 12x extra spins with retrigger once long time ago.
the paytable does say that it can be retriggered one time.
The previous page says that 5 wilds on each real activates additional 5 spins, so the retrigger is not about the wilds.

As long as I've played DOA, I have never seen scatters on the reels during the FS. The re-trigger in this case is probably in reference to 5 wilds (1 on each reel during the FS) to activate the 5 extra spins. If you get another 5 extra wilds .. one being on each reel, it will not re-trigger

Nate

 

[RikkiGT-R]

I dabbled with DoA occasionally but never really thought much of it until I joined this forum. When I saw the huge hits that (mostly) Nate was getting, it definitely caught my attention so I started to play it more. Could certainly see the potential in the free spins, and then one day, very recently, I got my biggest ever x bet hit with my first ever 5 wilds on any slot. Won £901 from a £0.45 bet (2002x bet). I honestly couldn't believe it.

I haven't played it anywhere since

 

[chayton]

As long as I've played DOA, I have never seen scatters on the reels during the FS. The re-trigger in this case is probably in reference to 5 wilds (1 on each reel during the FS) to activate the 5 extra spins. If you get another 5 extra wilds .. one being on each reel, it will not re-trigger

Nate

Thanks I was just going to ask that.

I haven't been playing too much NetEnt lately and I actually miss it. My last feature on DOA I got 3 wilds and it paid ok - previously every time I got the feature I got ONE wild on either the 4th or 5th reel.

 

[Nate]

Thanks I was just going to ask that.

I haven't been playing too much NetEnt lately and I actually miss it. My last feature on DOA I got 3 wilds and it paid ok - previously every time I got the feature I got ONE wild on either the 4th or 5th reel.

Maybe give it a shot next time at Redbet / Maxino / Nordicbet / Betsafe / Betsson... These Casinos seem to have very high traffic on this game.

Nate

 

[dionysus]

Paid poo, but last night got my first retrigger for the wild on each reel; they sadly, did not align for any hits.

 

[Redbet-Andy]

You're spot on.
It's not a big game. It's rarely in the top ten.
I've always loved it but it's only this forum that has really taken it to heart. I'm glad because it's a cracking game, can be harsh of course but then It's head and shoulders above BDBA and Reel Steal for me.

 

[dunover]

You're spot on.
It's not a big game. It's rarely in the top ten.
I've always loved it but it's only this forum that has really taken it to heart. I'm glad because it's a cracking game, can be harsh of course but then It's head and shoulders above BDBA and Reel Steal for me.

Agreed. You can tell in advance though, when you are say 6 or 7 spins in to the 12 on DoA that it's going to be a stinker, when you have no wilds or 1 or 2 up the end. On BDBA the relentless addition of useless freespins makes you just think "I know this round is going to be crap - for pete's sake GET ON WITH IT!"
Having said that, I hit my £2250 on the very last spin of a hitherto appalling bonus round on BDBA, whereas there's no hope if you've had a stinker on DoA and no wilds; it won't drop 5 in at once on the last spin.

I defer to the experience of Nate here. I can get near him on BDBA but am a comparative novice on DoA. Maybe if I played DoA for a long time, I would be screaming to go back on BDBA!

 

[Jazzbaz]

DoA is a rough mistress. I have played well over 100 000 spins on this game, but have gotten the 5 extra free spins only 4 times so far. My biggest win is *only* 800+xbet. I marvel at Nate's hit rate. Especially the one time when he got those extra free spins 3 times on one day. Last year I got the extra spins in june and the next time in december. Rough estimate is that I played over 30 000 spins of DoA within that time span without hitting them. And so be warned.

 

[Nate]

DoA is a rough mistress. I have played well over 100 000 spins on this game, but have gotten the 5 extra free spins only 4 times so far. My biggest win is *only* 800+xbet. I marvel at Nate's hit rate. Especially the one time when he got those extra free spins 3 times on one day. Last year I got the extra spins in june and the next time in december. Rough estimate is that I played over 30 000 spins of DoA within that time span without hitting them. And so be warned.

I play DOA almost exclusively on NetEnt so my spin rate is a few 1000 every time I play it.

I actually hit it 4 times in 3-4 hours and 5 times within 24 Hours ... After that I put in well over 20 000 spins all over without seeing it again lol...

I once went close to 10 000 spins in one session without hitting 100x my bet let alobe 5 Wilds... Overall I was sitting on over 30 000 spins at the SAME Casino without 5 wilds. It can get insane..

Nate

 

[dunover]

Well, we've just had an 8000x bet added to the 1000x+ screeies thread.
On BDBA if you got the 5 sapphires with wilds in bonus round you's end up with about 4000x stake.

 

[Persianprince]

A long day..

Been hittin this "high variance" slot for about 4 hours with only 200EUR bettin 0,9EUR. I've had over 30 Free Spins, frankly the most low varianced session I've ever had on NetEnt. Thought it was strange.. I was going til 5 wilds were hit and they did after 30 free spin modes. My heart skipped a beat as I won 5 more free spins.

On a 0,9EUR bet it rewarded me a fatal 100xBet!! What a waste of time.. Now im back at 200EURs again. It didnt even took it's 4% from me for playin 4 hours straight.

 

[Mozaik]

DOA = Overrated

IMO this slot is way overrated. Sure it could pay out tremendous amounts of money, but let's be honest here. It rarely happens that you might actually see 5 wilds in free spins session. My experience with this slot is too many times like this...waiting for the 3 scatters to hit, which takes ages at times....

And finally when I get the three scatters...I get left all dissapointed and pretty much empty handed with nothing spectacular happening during the free spins sessions. Wilds all of sudden ain't anywhere to be seen lol

I've only had the five wilds once, it paid me like 800x bet I believe. My only advice regarding DOA is too stay away...way too dangerous...and it absorbs money too fast.

There are better alternatives, but if you really want to play it...don't invest too much money/time into it!

 

[Balthazar]

IMO this slot is way overrated. Sure it could pay out tremendous amounts of money, but let's be honest here. It rarely happens that you might actually see 5 wilds in free spins session. My experience with this slot is too many times like this...waiting for the 3 scatters to hit, which takes ages at times....

And finally when I get the three scatters...I get left all dissapointed and pretty much empty handed with nothing spectacular happening during the free spins sessions. Wilds all of sudden ain't anywhere to be seen lol

I've only had the five wilds once, it paid me like 800x bet I believe. My only advice regarding DOA is too stay away...way too dangerous...and it absorbs money too fast.

There are better alternatives, but if you really want to play it...don't invest too much money/time into it!

It's called a high variance slot and they all have something in common: go big or go broke (and you'll go broke a lot more often than go big).

 

[wobble33]

guys

not played loads but the time i played it, you can go 600+ spins without the scatters. then when you get them, you sometimes just hit less than x10 win. i played it at klaver all weekend, started on 300 and finished on just under 750.00. i was down to my last 50 euros then hit some lovely wilds for approx x250 and 350 wins. i upped the coin to 2.70 and that helped too. i didnt recieve the 5 wilds once but i was really unlucky once. i had 5 spins to hit reel 4 wild, and it didnt come yet. but i did love the game.

i also played it at maxino, started 200 finished on 1980.00 :notworthy i did hit the 5 extra spins, but was surprised i only won just over 140 bet.

 

[dunover]

I must admit this slot doesn't seem as high variance as people suggest, now that I've played it more and more. I often play for a couple of hours on 50 euros at 36c a spin. Unlike BDBA you get many small-medium size wins of 0.25-10x stake to keep you going. It is tedious and on the bonus round you know after 2 -4 spins if you will get a decent hit or not with the wilds. The best I've had is 4 wilds in one win line with 3 spins left, didn't get the wild but got the pistol in the holster, an ace and a gold cup respectively and ended up at 150x stake. I've had 2 bonus rounds pay zero, and 2 pay just 1 lot of 3 tens or jacks. Never had 5 sheriff's stars or 5 scatters.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

I must admit this slot doesn't seem as high variance as people suggest

I find this too. A small deposit of £45, betting £0.45 I can usually play DoA for hours on end. It's what I normally do if I just want to play a game and waste some time.
I've rarely, if ever, saw it running totally cold...

 

[Slotster!]

It's the potential for mega wins via the feature that make it so high variance. With an absolute maximum payout of 250x ish (5x wilds and 5x Stars concurrent) from regular spins, and even high paying symbols only paying 45-60x - it's very different from a lot of other slots where the base game offers big potential rewards.

Say you hit the five boots for example - it's only going to buy you another 40 or 50 spins.

We've seen 2000, 3000 even 4000x from the freespin hits.

That's high variance.

I love this slot.

 

[whodatrec]

Ive gotten the 5 wilds 4-5 times i think. Biggest win was around 2000 € on a 3.60€ spinn. Id prefer Gonzos Quest to DOA any day... Hit 5000€ on it twice!! 2-3k several times on 5-10€ bet. If you bet big on Gonzo its seems its "Easy" to hit big compared to DOA.

 

[steffigraff77]

Does anyone know if it is possible to speed up the spins on this game? Most of the other netent slots spin much faster on autoplay or you can keep pressing spin/stop on DoA but it is still not quick enough.

I just want to find a way to lose money more quickly!

 

[dunover]

Does anyone know if it is possible to speed up the spins on this game? Most of the other netent slots spin much faster on autoplay or you can keep pressing spin/stop on DoA but it is still not quick enough.

I just want to find a way to lose money more quickly!

I don't believe you can speed up DoA.

 

[polli123]

Right, there is no Speedplay like at e.g. RTG.

 

[Nate]

I must admit this slot doesn't seem as high variance as people suggest, now that I've played it more and more. I often play for a couple of hours on 50 euros at 36c a spin. Unlike BDBA you get many small-medium size wins of 0.25-10x stake to keep you going. It is tedious and on the bonus round you know after 2 -4 spins if you will get a decent hit or not with the wilds. The best I've had is 4 wilds in one win line with 3 spins left, didn't get the wild but got the pistol in the holster, an ace and a gold cup respectively and ended up at 150x stake. I've had 2 bonus rounds pay zero, and 2 pay just 1 lot of 3 tens or jacks. Never had 5 sheriff's stars or 5 scatters.

Well it depends how often you play it mate.

I have lost $400 + low rolling at 0.45c a spin. I have also had losses exceeding $1000 playing 0.90c in a sitting.

Then you have those days where $50 gets you a tidy $2500 + within 100 spins. On average 90% of my DOA sessions are losing ones. I might briefly pop $20 or $30 ahead but then it goes ape shit.

Nate

 

[steffigraff77]

I would love to meet the person who designed this slot..? Its semi-genius.

So i have been playing it for about 4 months. I have had 3 big wins at 3.60 a bet and 1.80. This happened all in the first month. The last 3 months it has taken about 6k from me.... Its a killer slot. I had the bonus round about 300 times ( yes i did a rough count) and only twice did it re-trigger in the free spins. But no big wins as the wilds it did not line up. I have also gone through about 500 spins without the bonus round appearing and hit 4 scatters about 5 times. I estimate around 20 000 spins in the last 3 months. I was clearly very very lucky in the first month i played it( chose to play it as i noticed big wins on this website).

I know i should move on but i need to see those wilds one more time.

 

[Nate]

I have also gone through about 500 spins without the bonus round appearing and hit 4 scatters about 5 times....

You are lucky... I have been 1000+ spins WITHOUT a feature more than once

Nate

 

[ValDes]

You are lucky... I have been 1000+ spins WITHOUT a feature more than once

Nate

Indeed! My "best" dry streak so far is 1488 spins without free spins feature. On top of that, when it finally came it was a complete disaster, paying me less than 10x bet! But this bit** change the shift and you are there, it could make you smiling for months you know!

 

[Balthazar]

I know this guy is posting here sometimes but I just found this on Youtube and I don't think that he posted that one here. Hope he won't mind if I post it (it's 2 months old).

One word: SICK.

 

[polli123]

Ouch, big win. But the guy always presents nice winner vids on Youtube, i like them mostly.

 

[Slotster!]

Re-Triggered the feature!? I didn't even realise the Scatters were present during the bonus feature! I've played literally thousands and thousands and thousands of spins on this slot and I'm pretty sure I've never even seen TWO scatters during the feature. Bizarre.

I've hit the five wilds probably five times in total. A couple of monster hits and some much lower but still very nice ones.

 

[tanga]

Re-Triggered the feature!? I didn't even realise the Scatters were present during the bonus feature! I've played literally thousands and thousands and thousands of spins on this slot and I'm pretty sure I've never even seen TWO scatters during the feature. Bizarre.

I've hit the five wilds probably five times in total. A couple of monster hits and some much lower but still very nice ones.

The scatters don't appear during free spins, you need to get a wild on each reel to active another 5 spins.

 

[Nate]

Re-Triggered the feature!? I didn't even realise the Scatters were present during the bonus feature! I've played literally thousands and thousands and thousands of spins on this slot and I'm pretty sure I've never even seen TWO scatters during the feature. Bizarre.

I've hit the five wilds probably five times in total. A couple of monster hits and some much lower but still very nice ones.

There are no scatters present. A retrigger is for an additional 5 spins..(By way of 1 wild per reel)

Nate

 

[mimi26]

At what casinos can I play this game please

 

[polli123]

At all Netent Casinos, e.g. Mr. Green or Maxino.

 

[Slotster!]

The scatters don't appear during free spins, you need to get a wild on each reel to active another 5 spins.

Ah right of course yes. I've had that a few times.

 

[me_and_ed]

4 FU**ING sets of free spins NO wilds..............

I have seen it bad but never this bad, just like all of my casino play as of late.