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Dead or Alive slots - your opinions on why it's so popular.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by dunover, Feb 22, 2013.

    Feb 22, 2013
  1. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Right, I have seen the screenies. Like any sensible person I take them with a pinch of salt; we all know they are the exception.

    I played it for the first time yesterday, with a 73p residual balance in ComeOn, at 9p stake and made it to 11.81. I raised to 18p and got a near-'wonder' hit like some of you, went up to 41 pounds. Raised to 45p and lost it in 10 minutes. Good fun for pennies, but I have theories of its appeal when compared to the old stalwart BDBA we play for a HV fix.

    First, a small difference, but you get paid for 3,4,5 scatters unlike BDBA.
    Secondly, it keeps your stake better in that you get frequent 0.25 - 2 credit wins.
    Thirdly, wilds are more frequent although not at 5x.
    Fourth, you at least see some small wins in the bonus round and seldom get these ridiculous 1-2x stake bonus rounds. Bonus rounds are slightly more frequent as far I saw.
    Lastly and most importantly: BDBA produces dead spins on freespins that are apparent immediately first reel stops in most cases and useless wilds plague it and the frustration of stupid safes dropping where you need a symbol. These negatives are not the main thing - it's the fact the 'BIG ONE' on DoA is effectively progressive with the sticky wilds. It keeps you interested most rounds by teasing with the characters landing on the first few spins once or twice in most cases. BDBA bores you witless when after the tedious 27 pointless extra spins you end up with 100 coins.

    In my short encounter with this, I can see the attraction.

    P.S. Apolgies for thread title error - obviously WHY it's so popular....
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2013
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  2. Feb 22, 2013
  3. polli123

    polli123 Webmaster CAG webmeister

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    Well, i like DoA because of its feature: the wilds stay on screen within the free spins. Of course, there are many slots offering a feature this way.

    But only DoA with only 9 lines offer these huge wins we can daily see here at Casinomeister & at other forums.
     
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  4. Feb 22, 2013
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    The jackpot is theoretically higher than BDBA. IF you got a screen of wilds you could win 9x5wilds. I wonder if this hit ever occurred, it could happen BEFORE the last of the extra spins, i.e. effectively getting a 'hold' on the JP?
     
  6. Feb 22, 2013
  7. polli123

    polli123 Webmaster CAG webmeister

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    If you get the 5 wilds on your spin it's even 17x the max payout. But the max total win i've ever seen on DoA is a bit more than 8000x bet size...
     
  8. Feb 22, 2013
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Yeah, I saw that screenshot. Just how big could it get though?
     
  10. Feb 22, 2013
  11. polli123

    polli123 Webmaster CAG webmeister

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    5 scatters give you 3000 coins during the free spins. Max coin size is .50, so in max level x5 what means you get 15.000 per five wilds (22.50 total bet). So the max win is 17 spins x 15.000 x 0,5 =127.500 USD / Euro

    Am i right?

    Edit: this is for just one line with 5 wilds. So you will get a much higher win if this really would came during the first spin!
     
  12. Feb 22, 2013
  13. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    DOA is popular on CM because of me :) - lol

    When I hammered away at it there were very few people that played it from this Forum. I would like to believe I am or have been a tad bit influential in getting players to play the game.

    Respin_FTW, Tirilej and Rainmaker to name a few. I still remember Tirilej's first hit as well as Rainmakers and Respins...

    Rainmaker used to be a pig farmer before he became a deputy Sheriff :) .. Respin used to ride around on Santa's Sleigh with Rudolph the red nose Reindeer.

    In any event... I play Break Da Bank just as much as I play DOA. Break Da Bank is a medium variance slot in comparison to DOA. There are so many BIG hits in the base game whereas DOA pays just a little over 100x bet for its biggest hit. It is possible to get the Sheriffs badges on 2 pay lines effectively making the biggest hit a wee bit over 200x bet.

    Now if we compare that to BDBA - The base game has a hit with the Sapphires for a little over 800x bet. There are other high paying symbols which DOA lacks completely.

    DOA is meant to be a Very High Variance game with Big wins ONLY coming during the Free spins. The base game has a RTP of around 80-82% if I'm not mistaken. The rest of the RTP (As much as 15%) is stacked in the Free spins.

    The game has a tendency to go on LONG dry spells and also can go apeshit once in a while. I saw Redbet had 3 hits of over 2000x within 2 days... That's Crazy!!

    DOA can also not throw you 5 wilds in hundreds of features (Even if the 5 wilds pay less than 100x bet) - Some samples I have seen hit close to 40 000 spins without 5 wilds dropping once :)

    I still maintain that Casinos with the most traffic (especially where DOA is popular) generate big hits more often. Smaller places seem to be the places i ALWAYS get destroyed at. I am a sucker for punishment but I can speak statistically and tell you that my results have been at its worse at Smaller places where the game is not popular. Ofcourse 5 Wilds are possible at any Casino at any time but I have played both Big and Smaller Casinos equally and the stats do NOT Lie :)

    In a nutshell, I can't see any other online Slot paying as much as DOA for small bet sizes (Exclusing Random Jackpots / Progressives) Immortal Romance comes close but 4 Wilds wont touch DOA on any day. My biggest hit on DOA is 4100x bet ... My biggest on BDBA is around 1800x - The hit on DOA is bigger than the TOP Award on BDBA.

    I would love to see a 5 Scatter trigger with 5 Wilds one day - I'm assuming its possible.

    I see that a few places advertise that the MAXIMUM win for this Slot is $886 800 - It does not stipulate at what betsize. Redbet has this on their website but the max bet for DOA is 18 euro... If that payout were to hit it would be close to 49 000x bet - a 36 Euro bet would be half of that at around 24 000x bet.

    Maybe one of the Reps from a NetEnt Casino can enlighten us how the max win is possible and at what stake.

    In any event, I'm not trying to compete with VWM here so let me end the post:p

    Nate
     
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  14. Feb 23, 2013
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Don't apologize Nate! I actually enjoy VWM's dissertations....:)
     
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  16. Feb 23, 2013
  17. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    I can see the appeal, I've played thousands of spins on BDBA without so much as three of the top paying symbol with a wild. Most features on BDBA are complately useless, leaving me without so much as a 100x score. I've stopped playing BDBA and have started spending on Reel Steal and DoA the former has already paid off with a 2000x hit. I've gotta say I prefer Netent slots.
     
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  18. Feb 23, 2013
  19. clees42

    clees42 Experienced Member

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    First you start the feature with 5 scatter and then retrigger again with 5 scatters. Then you get 5 wilds added in 3 consecutive spins.
    first 2 spins would give 4x 5oak wilds wins and leave you with 21 spins with screen full of wilds.
    Total 193 times 5 wilds and 7500x win from the 5 scatter hits.
     
  20. Feb 23, 2013
  21. homerbert

    homerbert I-Gaming Industry Representative webby

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    zomg, come on, you dont know it? DOA havent scatters in freespins.
     
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  22. Feb 23, 2013
  23. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    As Homerbert mentioned, DOA does not have scatters in the Free Spins nor are re-triggers possible :)

    Nate
     
  24. Feb 23, 2013
  25. Balthazar

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    BDBA has way more dead spins, but also has more ways to hit big (even in the base game) and is a bit less boring to play (IMO). I also tend to get more play time on Real Steel and BDBA than on DoA.
     
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  26. Feb 23, 2013
  27. ValDes

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    Let me share my two cents about DoA. :)

    First, if I was a NetEnt manager I would have probably hired Nate long time ago and made from him the face of my software!:notworthy I doubt there is a person out there, who can be even close to what this guy has made to popularize not only DoA, but NetEnt as a whole! Sorry Rainmaker, you are just a step behind! :D

    Second, I just can't remember of a slot game with bigger theoretical possible win! Let's do some math. In the Free Spin feature you can get screen full of wilds at the third spin (the max number of wilds which can appear in a single spin during the FS is 5), so here's the calculation:
    1 spin x 5 wilds at a winning line = 3000 coins.
    1 spin x 10 wilds (5 wilds from the first spin + another 5 wilds at a winning line) = 6000 coins. (The given example is the worst possible, cause there is possibility for much better combination if the 10 wilds landed on line 1 and 2 )
    then follows 15 spins x 15 wilds = 15 x 3000 x 9 = 405 000 coins
    _______________________
    Total: 3000+6000+405000 = 414 000 coins! Or in other words if your stake is 0,09 (1 coin per line), than the max possible win is 4140! Which is much better even from IR best possibility of 3450. Not to mantion that IR best is for 0,30 stake, not 0,09!:thumbsup: The comparison with BDBA is useless - 750 (it is possible to get the tanzanite stones twice in a single winning combination, but it is impossible to have it more than onc during the Free Spins Feature, isn't it?) compared with 4140 is more than 10 times in favor of DoA!

    I play this ... can't find the right word ... killer slot (it could be really a killer and will probably be!) for ages! Have seen most of it, have all of it,won much, lost much. Can't compare with Nate, since I'm playing at much lower stakes but still had some mind blowing wins over the years. The best one so far is 5 scatters at 0,36 bet + 3 spins with 5 wilds on a winning payline dirung the free spins!:lolup: Insane!
    Anyway, I would not reccomend thi slot to any of my friends! This game could simply destroy your heart ... and mind ... and pocket!:D
     
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  28. Feb 23, 2013
  29. clees42

    clees42 Experienced Member

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    i am pretty sure that i have gotten 12x extra spins with retrigger once long time ago.
    the paytable does say that it can be retriggered one time.
    The previous page says that 5 wilds on each real activates additional 5 spins, so the retrigger is not about the wilds.

    Dead or Alive slots - your opinions on why it's so popular.: really.jpg,Feb 23, 2013
     
  30. Feb 23, 2013
  31. Nate

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    Lol thanks ValDes :) - I think I did popularize DOA to an extent but I am a few steps behind Rainmaker - He is a stalker... A NetEnt Stalker :p. A lot of the popularity of the software as a whole on CM is attributed to him. He spends more time than anyone on topics related to NetEnt and also updates the forum regularly.

    There are a couple of DOA big hitters on the forum.. Some of them play up to $3.60 a spin :)

    BDBA has been terrible for me this month. I sat on sessions for hours on BDBA - some of them for 3000 - 4000 spins and was actually mauled. The best I managed was the sapphires for $2250 off a $2.70 bet at 32Red. I had hits for the notes and cheques but my last 1000x plus hit came last month (notes in the FS)

    I had two hits in the 3500x region on DOA plus a few 1000x hits. I got 5 wilds probably over 10 times this month BUT I played lots to get them.

    Break Da Bank is a really great slot.. I love it. The more I play it, the more I realise that its just a balance enhancer at most times. In the last few days I had hits for 80x - 100x bet in the base game and free spins. I normally continue when I hit these and find that BDBA will take that 100x back quickly 8 out of 10 times. I sometimes hit or get my balance up quickly but the bigger hits over 1000x are less frequent than DOA.

    DOA is insane - It has a tendency to throw Free Spins sometimes 8 - 10 times in 100 spins and then make you wait another 500 spins for the next batch of spins. The feature trigger frequency on DOA is somewhere around once every 148 / 150 spins. Trust me .. I have seen MORE features on DOA than BDBA BUT the FS on BDBA do not pay as little as DOA all the time :)

    I love DOA - I have had some great sessions on it and equally some great losses :)

    Nate
     
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  32. Feb 23, 2013
  33. Nate

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    As long as I've played DOA, I have never seen scatters on the reels during the FS. The re-trigger in this case is probably in reference to 5 wilds (1 on each reel during the FS) to activate the 5 extra spins. If you get another 5 extra wilds .. one being on each reel, it will not re-trigger :)

    Nate
     
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  34. Feb 23, 2013
  35. RikkiGT-R

    RikkiGT-R Non-Gambler

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    I dabbled with DoA occasionally but never really thought much of it until I joined this forum. When I saw the huge hits that (mostly) Nate was getting, it definitely caught my attention so I started to play it more. Could certainly see the potential in the free spins, and then one day, very recently, I got my biggest ever x bet hit with my first ever 5 wilds on any slot. Won £901 from a £0.45 bet (2002x bet). I honestly couldn't believe it.

    I haven't played it anywhere since :D
     
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  36. Feb 23, 2013
  37. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Thanks I was just going to ask that. :thumbsup:

    I haven't been playing too much NetEnt lately and I actually miss it. My last feature on DOA I got 3 wilds and it paid ok - previously every time I got the feature I got ONE wild on either the 4th or 5th reel. ;)
     
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  38. Feb 23, 2013
  39. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Maybe give it a shot next time at Redbet / Maxino / Nordicbet / Betsafe / Betsson... These Casinos seem to have very high traffic on this game.

    Nate
     

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