Which RTG casinos SUCK? Which RULE? Shout it out HERE!

[bernynhel]

Doesn't work that way. When you hit the stop button the reel changes anyway.

I like the stop buttons. I mash the eff out of 'em. I think they can make a big difference.

 

[chayton]

I use the stop button sometimes just to speed up the reels - that way my money goes even faster!

Is anyone playing at All Star Slots now who used to play when they were Wizard? They transferred my account when they switched software but gave me some funky username and password that I can't remember. I thought I had the email with the un/pass around but can't find it whenever I want to play there so I end up going somewhere where I know who I am.

 

[eu_lowroller]

@chayton, they have a live chat, so you should ask them for your User ID, because this should not be any problem i think

 

[skiny]

I use the stop button sometimes just to speed up the reels - that way my money goes even faster!

Is anyone playing at All Star Slots now who used to play when they were Wizard? They transferred my account when they switched software but gave me some funky username and password that I can't remember. I thought I had the email with the un/pass around but can't find it whenever I want to play there so I end up going somewhere where I know who I am.

I play at All Star Slots but I just joined. I guarantee you that if you had an account in good standing at the old casino and you tell them you want to deposit they'll find a way pretty quick.

 

[Mavin1]

Well H*ll, I guess it can happen!

I decided since I had Inetbet on my pc I would go ahead and play for real. I deposited $40 took the bonus for new slots only 100% made my WR after a few hours and am cashing out $412. Played the new Aztec for awhile, jumped over to Triple Twister and was hitting the bonus rounds 6 or 7 different times. The first paying out over $400, actually got 3 twisters stacked in the center, when it was done the next $154, then $98, of course got a couple stinkers too that gave like $28, $6.32 and such.
But for a casino platform that I love to hate, I have to admit, it can sometimes surprise me, just wish it wasn't so hit and miss and miss and miss, well you know how it goes.
But thanks Inetbet!

 

[eu_lowroller]

I never thought, that i'll post this, but although "All Star Slots" WAS my favourite RTG Casino, since my very first and last withdrawal in beginning october, i've made 13 deposits, between $25 and $150 and they all was only a charity for the casino, because i had never again at least some playtime, because the money went faster as an airplane!
The payout% was at the most time only between 50-60% (i've seen this, because of the very less comp points, which were created) but the support told me, that i have a full payout% with 78% or so, but that's only, because of my one and only withdrawal in october, so no matter how good their support is and how good their bonuses can be, what does it care, when i have no more playtime since my first withdrawal and even not any chance to win something at least?

I know that RTG slots are high variance, but when i have a balance with $40 and i got never any respin at least on "Realm of Riches" then i must certainly think, that there is something really strange, because normally with a $40 i have at least a good palytime and some free spins, but nothing of them happen here, so i'll stop now to donate this money eaters

I'll stay only to Jackpot Capital, because i had there also some withdrawals, but never the feeling, that my payout% was switched to 50% or so, because after a cashout form my wins.

 

[bernynhel]

This may not be very scientific. But ain't it great to compare notes and see how many other CM members wanna vent on the same RTG casinos that you do?

Jackpot Capital, by the way, is way on top a the heap in this thread and I didn't even have to count.

InetBet is easily 2nd and Grande Vegas is pretty damn mixed - like a love/hate thang. I ain't messin' with 'em! Anway, I'm a try Jackpot Capital and InetBet for now. I don't think I need to experiment with any others for now. Thanks everybody!

 

[Nifty29]

I watched to see how many times the colosseum scrolled by on the last reel and it always scrolls by right when you get a ceasar and then not again, so you don't even have a chance of hitting the stop button to try to catch it.

It is VERY important that everyone understands that the STOP button has absolutely NO effect on the outcome of the spin. The exact positions of the reels are determined the second you hit 'SPIN' and nothing you do after that can make any difference at all. I guess its up to the individual if they want to believe otherwise, but it is a known fact so dont be disappointed if it doesnt appear to 'work'.

So what I am thinking is there have been some colosseums removed from this last reel to decrease the chances of hitting a bonus round.

In my experience, there has only every been one colosseum symbol on the last reel. Ive been playing it for years and never known it to be any different.


Insofar as on RTG paying our better than another, it is well known that operators can alter the payouts to 3 different setting within the 90% range. However, it is impossible to decipher which casino is set to which % based on one of even a few sessions - losing sessions can happen even at high % RTP casinos and the few % difference between settings will only be seen over a large amount of spins.

Remember, although you may have a 25% return session, someone else may have just had a 170% session on another game, so IMO it isnt reasonable to diss a casino based on one or two losing sessions. Ive had some nice wins lately at RTG, and also some nasty sessions. As far as I can tell, it depends on the variance of the slot as to whether you are likely to have a really low % session. Someone mentioned having 62 spins @$2 on a slot for a $24 return - this is not unusual and its quite likely that you will bust out quickly betting $2 from a $100 bankroll. My advice is always have a minimum of 100 bets to start with, but again its a personal thing....however 62 bad spins is very much within the norm and can (and does) happen at any other casino.

My fav RTG is Inet, Buzzluck, Jackpot Capital and Titan. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lost and I find very little difference between any of them...my RTG choices are based on customer service and payout speed.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29: In my experience, there has only every been one colosseum symbol on the last reel. Ive been playing it for years and never known it to be any different.

Hogwash....I say this because I get tired of so many saying "nothing has changed".....when we KNOW it has...the last reel HAS been adjusted...I have been playing that game since day one...

I KNOW it has changed...proving it is another story....as I said before, only way one can PROVE anything with these casinos is to be the one DOING the changing...or the second choice is to have spun hundreds of thousands of spins on a game...and I am in the second catagory.

The colosseum on the last reel ALWAYS passed by on EVERY spin before..now it passes by every 5th to 10th spin...believe what you like..it has been changed...

No offense....just, it is what it is...and JMO...


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[Dinahnana]

Remember, although you may have a 25% return session, someone else may have just had a 170% session on another game, so IMO it isnt reasonable to diss a casino based on one or two losing sessions. Ive had some nice wins lately at RTG, and also some nasty sessions. As far as I can tell, it depends on the variance of the slot as to whether you are likely to have a really low % session. Someone mentioned having 62 spins @$2 on a slot for a $24 return - this is not unusual and its quite likely that you will bust out quickly betting $2 from a $100 bankroll. My advice is always have a minimum of 100 bets to start with, but again its a personal thing....however 62 bad spins is very much within the norm and can (and does) happen at any other casino.

QUOTE]

I agree with what your saying however in my opinion I think some casinos like Casino Titan changed their payouts in recent months based on over 30 losing sessions. You can have a bad luck streak I know but that usually does not last over every single deposit for several months following one cashout. One night I decided to experiment to see if my odds would improve and deposited over 6 times at $100 a pop using 100% deposit match bonuses and there was no change. People are not stupid and will notice changes over time. At other times I have deposited and did not use any bonus but had no change at all in the game play. A few really bad sessions are normal in my opnion but every one over a period of months is not. Its to a point where I feel I have no hope of ever getting to the cashout stage with Casino Titan. However to be fair I will give them one more chance this weekend and see if I can get some decent play with my money. If I dont then I will not be playing at this particular casino again for a while.

 

[silcnlayc]

Someone mentioned having 62 spins @$2 on a slot for a $24 return - this is not unusual and its quite likely that you will bust out quickly betting $2 from a $100 bankroll

I was the one who said this...and I say bologne...on this...

this is not unusual

I cannot believe you can sit there and say how good these casinos are (RTG"s) when anyone who isn't blind can see something is different about them...

There was a time a $100 lasted for quite a long time even at $2 a spin...and for you to sit there and keep saying all is good...and keep having players think they can still have a decent time at any RTG...I say shame on you for giving that impression when almost everyone here KNOWS something is off with them...

Are you by any chance promoting them in any way? Just curious..

it depends on the variance of the slot

Another BS line.....geez...

I mean no offense...but it seems you are very alone in these thoughts about how all is the same with these casinos...

I still pop into an RTG every once in a while and play a few spins....but these visits have gotten to be shorter and shorter and are going to be nil soon...because RTG casinos really have gotten so tight that it is absolutely ridiculous to even consider playing them anymore...until something changes or until they go broke...and my money is they are going to go broke if they continue down this path they have chosen these last 2 years..by literally stealing players money...and that has gotten old to many savvy players..who have moved on and beyond RTG's...

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[De Beuker]

Insofar as on RTG paying our better than another, it is well known that operators can alter the payouts to 3 different setting within the 90% range. However, it is impossible to decipher which casino is set to which % based on one of even a few sessions - losing sessions can happen even at high % RTP casinos and the few % difference between settings will only be seen over a large amount of spins.

Remember, although you may have a 25% return session, someone else may have just had a 170% session on another game, so IMO it isnt reasonable to diss a casino based on one or two losing sessions. Ive had some nice wins lately at RTG, and also some nasty sessions. As far as I can tell, it depends on the variance of the slot as to whether you are likely to have a really low % session. Someone mentioned having 62 spins @$2 on a slot for a $24 return - this is not unusual and its quite likely that you will bust out quickly betting $2 from a $100 bankroll. My advice is always have a minimum of 100 bets to start with, but again its a personal thing....however 62 bad spins is very much within the norm and can (and does) happen at any other casino.

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I think the difference between 96% RTP and 92% RTP is definately noticable, as the house-edge increases with 100%.
That would mean that on avarage, you will get only half of the playtime you got before.
And thats what many people experience these days.
And I thought I read somewhere that the highest setting is 97% and the lowest 91%, but I'm not sure.
Would mean 150% more house edge..

But I agree with you that you cannot tell anything from just a few hundred spins.

 

[TOC]

Confucius says...

"He who chase progressive will get exhausted."

 

[Nifty29]

Geez give an opinion based on personal experience and someone has to get personal.

'Shame on me' for sharing my own thoughts? Please.

Now, on a point-by-point basis:

I cannot believe you can sit there and say how good these casinos are (RTG"s)

I didnt say anything about 'how good these casinos are'. All I said was they I have both LOST and WON at RTG casinos, and that my CHOICE of casino is based on customer service and payout times - NOT my perception of their payout % (there is no way I can personally work out what it is as I cant afford millions of spins), so I think you need to calm down a little there.

There was a time a $100 lasted for quite a long time even at $2 a spin...and for you to sit there and keep saying all is good...and keep having players think they can still have a decent time at any RTG...I say shame on you for giving that impression when almost everyone here KNOWS something is off with them...

Again, Im not saying RTG are better or worse than any other software. Im saying that IN MY EXPERIENCE Ive had some nice wins AND some losses.

The point Im making is that you can have horrible losing sessions at MG and Rival etc just as easily, and it DOES depend on which slot you play. I know you dont think it matters, but in regards to play time the variance of the slot is extremely important. I mean, you are far more likely to lose your $100 quickly on Rain Dance than you are on Diamond Dozen for instance.... but when you hit a big one on Rain Dance its HUGE.

Have a look through some of Enzo's posts about variance and you will see it is directly related to how long your bankroll might last.

Are you by any chance promoting them in any way? Just curious..Another BS line.....geez...

I mean no offense...but it seems you are very alone in these thoughts about how all is the same with these casinos...

What you are saying here is 'No offense, but you're talking bullsh*t'...how could anyone be offended by someone telling them that?? Next time you want to say that to someone, dont waste your time putting the 'no offense' part in as you obviously dont mean it.

I dont promote any casino FWIW, so my opinions are personal opinions. Sorry.

I still pop into an RTG every once in a while and play a few spins....but these visits have gotten to be shorter and shorter and are going to be nil soon...because RTG casinos really have gotten so tight that it is absolutely ridiculous to even consider playing them anymore...until something changes or until they go broke...and my money is they are going to go broke if they continue down this path they have chosen these last 2 years..by literally stealing players money...and that has gotten old to many savvy players..who have moved on and beyond RTG's...

You obviously feel strongly about how bad RTG is, so why do you even bother to 'pop in' or whatever?? Just avoid them if you think they are ripping you off. Why would anyone who 'knew' (and you said that you 'know') they are being fleeced keep going back for more???? I just dont get that part.

If I felt I 'couldnt' win or that it 'seemed' impossible for me to win at RTG casinos, I would stop playing them - simple. However, that isnt my experience so Ill keep playing until that time arrives.

Everyone here knows I respect contrary opinions, but I dont appreciate your attempts to portray me as 'stupid' or 'full of BS' - its childish.

As for the Colosseum slot.....we just have to agree to disagree. If you want to provide the proof, you should detail every spin you have for the next 100,000 spins and see what happens - unfortunately its the only way you can do it. Again, if you think that slot has been changed and is ripping off, why are you still playing it????

 

[TOC]

It's ok Nifty, RTG is probably the top U.S. player software, as history shows when you're on top people complain.. Gotta love the RTG threads.

 

[bernynhel]

I'd kinna have to agree with Nifty about $2 spins and $100 bankrolls. I wouldn't think it'd be that easy to make 400 wagers with that combination let alone cash out any winnings anywhere. When I deposit $100 most of my slot wagers are in the $0.25-0.50 range. If I'm lucky enough to grow my roll to $400-500 then some wagers would drift up into the $2 range. To extend my playtime I try to keep wagers under 1/2% of my roll. I know sometimes it's like tryin to get to the center of a tootsie pop in more than 1 lick but that's the strategy I at least go in with.

 

[Nifty29]

Just FYI for everybody reading this thread:

TOC OPERATES AN RTG CASINO

Im not saying anything else, just making sure everyone is aware.


@bern - yep bankroll management is what turned things around for me many years ago.

 

[edspeere]

RTG's

All RTG's SUCK!

 

[TOC]

Just FYI for everybody reading this thread:

TOC OPERATES AN RTG CASINO

Im not saying anything else, just making sure everyone is aware.


@bern - yep bankroll management is what turned things around for me many years ago.

Oh please I was supporting your actions but you want to slander my name here at CM. Isn't that wrong around here. Bla Bla TOC is an RTC Casino, guess what I'm not a casino operator but merely an affiliate just like several posters on this site and BTW I don't advertise my URL like many do! Don't try and stir up crap with me and if you'd do your homework you'd see my affiliate site is highly respected here at CM. Max - warning this poster is out of line, I will behave around here but won't accept insults about my website just as CM and yourself! Chill out people...

 

[Nifty29]

Oh please I was supporting your actions but you want to slander my name here at CM. Isn't that wrong around here. Bla Bla TOC is an RTC Casino, guess what I'm not a casino operator but merely an affiliate just like several posters on this site and BTW I don't advertise my URL like many do! Don't try and stir up crap with me and if you'd do your homework you'd see my affiliate site is highly respected here at CM. Max - warning this poster is out of line, I will behave around here but won't accept insults about my website just as CM and yourself! Chill out people...

OK well you were the one who listed a particular RTG casino in your profile for which you were the webmaster....and this is the first time you have disputed being an RTG operator...you may technically be an affiliate but, from what you have said, you run a 'white label' operation which is a little different.

As for the slander.....where do you get that from?? What did I say that was slanderous?? All I did was state a well-known fact. I didnt insult you or degrade you in any way, and how can I slander or insult your website when I didnt even name it???

The point I was trying to make to other readers is that when you post:

,

RTG is probably the top U.S. player software, as history shows when you're on top people complain..

..it is with bias. You have many times before taken the opportunity to spruik how wonderful RTG is, which just happens to be the software that 'your' casino operates on.

You have stated here at CM before that you have your 'own' casino which runs on RTG, so you are hardly going to come out and say anything negative about RTG are you?

I think the reason you have gone off the deep end here is that you dont like people drawing attention to your close relationship with RTG, and, as a result, taking your 'RTG is da bomb' statements with a grain of salt.

 

[TOC]

OK well you were the one who listed a particular RTG casino in your profile for which you were the webmaster....and this is the first time you have disputed being an RTG operator...you may technically be an affiliate but, from what you have said, you run a 'white label' operation which is a little different.

As for the slander.....where do you get that from?? What did I say that was slanderous?? All I did was state a well-known fact. I didnt insult you or degrade you in any way, and how can I slander or insult your website when I didnt even name it???

The point I was trying to make to other readers is that when you post:

,

..it is with bias. You have many times before taken the opportunity to spruik how wonderful RTG is, which just happens to be the software that 'your' casino operates on.

You have stated here at CM before that you have your 'own' casino which runs on RTG, so you are hardly going to come out and say anything negative about RTG are you?

I think the reason you have gone off the deep end here is that you dont like people drawing attention to your close relationship with RTG, and, as a result, taking your 'RTG is da bomb' statements with a grain of salt.

Are you a cop? Yea I did make the mistake of listing my url, what 3 months ago in my profile and deleted it quickly. To many freaks trying to slander me. Who cares if I run a white label, a white label is nothing more than a affiliate site and I make money just like CM and several other people on this site. Don't downgrade a white label unless it's rogue and you know what your talking about. My white label is RTG and supported by the MAIN STREET GROUP, that's accredited around here. I'm not going off the deep end it's just posters like you trying to stir up crap for NO reason that sucks. Why don't you slam CM for being a RTG supporter with all the RTG links around here. Leave me alone and GO ON. Maybe it's posters like you that I'm not seeing new threads around here. Trying to behave people but GEESH give me a freakin break!!

 

[TOC]

OK well you were the one who listed a particular RTG casino in your profile for which you were the webmaster....and this is the first time you have disputed being an RTG operator...you may technically be an affiliate but, from what you have said, you run a 'white label' operation which is a little different.

As for the slander.....where do you get that from?? What did I say that was slanderous?? All I did was state a well-known fact. I didnt insult you or degrade you in any way, and how can I slander or insult your website when I didnt even name it???

The point I was trying to make to other readers is that when you post:

,

..it is with bias. You have many times before taken the opportunity to spruik how wonderful RTG is, which just happens to be the software that 'your' casino operates on.

You have stated here at CM before that you have your 'own' casino which runs on RTG, so you are hardly going to come out and say anything negative about RTG are you?

I think the reason you have gone off the deep end here is that you dont like people drawing attention to your close relationship with RTG, and, as a result, taking your 'RTG is da bomb' statements with a grain of salt.

Why do you "thank" this reply JAS2587, courious. What's the problem with me or my website??

 

[Nifty29]

Why don't you slam CM for being a RTG supporter with all the RTG links around here.

The difference here is when an RTG thread pops up/someone has an issue etc etc, he doesnt come in and start posting about how great RTG is...he addresses the issue and gives an opinion which, in my experience, is unbiased.

You still dont get it TOC. I wasnt saying ANYTHING negative or inappropriate about your website...I didnt even name is for goodness sake. I just referred to the fact that you were a white label operator. You insisted you were 'just an affiliate', but then you admitted you were an operator as per above which is a different thing altogether, so Im not sure why you wouldnt just say that.

I didnt 'slam' you either - please point out where you think I did.

As for slander, the defence to that is truth, and I didnt lie.

I mean, why not just say "Im a white label operator with RTG and they are great to work with, the operation is sound, and we have a lot of winners etc etc. I think they are the best software by a mile"...??...well, because others would say "well you would say that you are part of the operation' and just see it as bias. So, you just post about how great they are etc as a 'regular player'.

Im sorry if I offended you, it wasnt my intention and still isnt.

 

[jas2587]

As for the slander.....where do you get that from?? What did I say that was slanderous?? All I did was state a well-known fact. I didnt insult you or degrade you in any way, and how can I slander or insult your website when I didnt even name it???.

I thanked it for the above reason Nifty did not slander you

I have no problem with you nor your website I dont even know the name of your website but i bet $5 I could find it

Cindy

 

[TOC]

The fact is, if this tread is read Nify and you Jas don't know what you're talking about. I've done nothing wrong inside the thread but make a post and here ya come, trying to stir up crap. I see why people get banned around here cause you guys lead them on. Not good, you should adjust yourself. If you have facts post them but this crap is nothing more than crap as far as I see it. Someone will see my point.. BTW - Web definitions for slander
words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another.

 

[jas2587]

The fact is, if this tread is read Nify and you Jaz don't know what you're talking about. I've done nothing wrong inside the thread but make a post and here ya come, trying to stir up crap. I see why people get banned around here cause you guys lead them on. Not good, you should adjust yourself. If you have facts post them but this crap is nothing more than crap as far as I see it. Someone will see my point.. BTW - Web definitions for slander
words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another.

you are nuts I said nothing to slander or defame you I am not posting to start a fight
an its JAS not JAZ people get banned cause they dio stupid chit like you are doing right now baiting people
yeah your REP is really damaged sheesh

Cindy

 

[TOC]

It's ok Nifty, RTG is probably the top U.S. player software, as history shows when you're on top people complain.. Gotta love the RTG threads.

Read the thread Nifty, I said RTG is "Probably the top U.S. player software" and didn't say how great they were? You're reading into things and thats the problem around here. I bet there's 25 posters tonight that would like to post around here but it's the know it all's that scare them away!!! I'm gone before I get kicked...

 

[TOC]

Sorry JAS, not JAZ why are you calling me nuts? I've not called out names here, please behave. You shouldn't call people names, that's rude and a shill post. Fact..

 

[KasinoKing]

Sorry JAS, not JAZ why are you calling me nuts? I've not called out names here, please behave. You shouldn't call people names, that's rude and a shill post. Fact..

A shill post?
You don't even know the meaning of that word, obviously.
Man you are so out of line in this thread it's embarrassing to read.

I totally agree with everything Nifty said - I would thank him more, but the new limiting system prevents it. Great posts Nifty, and I'm glad at least you stay level headed and cordial when someone has the audacity to disagree with you!

KK

 

[silcnlayc]

Everyone here knows I respect contrary opinions, but I dont appreciate your attempts to portray me as 'stupid' or 'full of BS' - its childish.

Apologies if you felt I was attacking you per se...I was not. I was just surprised that you would consider RTG's in such a good light anymore.

I "pop in" to RTG's to see if anything has changed...not for a session...JFYI...

Again, apologies if I came on too strong..I was talking in general about RTG's..the shame on you remark was not meant directly at you but at all that think "nothing has changed"....I do get a little excited and upset when it is said...that all is the same...when it is not..this is what makes the casinos continue to fleece the players , because of this ahh well attitude, what can we do mentality...

To make a change to the better..it has been said here, talk with your money...and many will get a fair shake again one day by them , the casinos.
.

 

[Nifty29]

Apology accepted

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 Apology accepted

Thank you..it is appreciated wholeheartedly...now I am going to go take a chill pill...and try not to get so excited....

.

 

[Mavin1]

There will always be that certain amount of people that will continue to believe the IRS is legit, the FDA won't allow bad things in our food, Mercury in our childrens innoculations is safe because they say so, that the H1N1 shot is good for us, that Chemtrails are harmless, that flouride in our drinking water is good for our teeth, that artificial sweetners will help you to lose weight and television won't rot your brain. So it goes the same for casino's, there are those that will defend them to their last breath and those that won't. As long as people are winning "occasionally", then all is good and the cradle is rocking. When the cradle rocks no more then we start waking up. We give our little bits of funds for months on end with nothing more than than a slap on the butt time and time again and it gets pretty old.
That is why we complain. We want to continue playing at RTG's because they have great slots, but just like playing ball, if you keep getting hit in the head with the ball, then it's not fun anymore.
You will ask, then why do you keep playing? Well, because we still have the need to believe.

 

[TOC]

A shill post?
You don't even know the meaning of that word, obviously.
Man you are so out of line in this thread it's embarrassing to read.

I totally agree with everything Nifty said - I would thank him more, but the new limiting system prevents it. Great posts Nifty, and I'm glad at least you stay level headed and cordial when someone has the audacity to disagree with you!

KK

Sometimes shills may be used to downplay legitimate complaints posted by users on the Internet.

 

[johnshoe333]

Have to agree with Bryan look at what i did this morning

Intertops Red

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[vegetagirl2008]

It's ok Nifty, RTG is probably the top U.S. player software, as history shows when you're on top people complain.. Gotta love the RTG threads.

The software maybe the best in the world. But....the operation of some casinos are left to be desired.

 

[bernynhel]

...if this tread is read Nify and you Jas don't know what you're talking about...I've done nothing wrong.....here ya come, trying to stir up crap...people get banned around here cause you guys lead them on...you should adjust yourself...this crap is nothing more than crap...Someone will see my point...

Uh, TOC, when's the last time you slept? (kidding! kinda)

Honestly, TOC, I just read everything in this thread, twice, and aside from your posts claiming that you were slandered, I can't see anything in a single post where Nifty29 or anyone else has so much as disrespected you or your site, let alone be guilty of having committed slander.

When I started this thread some dismissed the idea of a thread where CM members could shout out their opinions about which RTGs ruled vs ones that suck as flawed because, among other reasons, they just thought that shills would make a bunch of posts raving about RTG casinos. Not too likely that many shills are gonna get away with that, undetected, (and I'm not calling you a "shill", TOC!) huh!?

 

[TOC]

Just FYI for everybody reading this thread:

TOC OPERATES AN RTG CASINO

Im not saying anything else, just making sure everyone is aware.


@bern - yep bankroll management is what turned things around for me many years ago.

With all due respect, I'd suggest you read the thread for a third time and then study the many definitions of the word slander before addressing my replies. Among other members too.
In law, defamationalso called calumny, libel, slander (for spoken words), and vilification (for written or otherwise published words)is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.
I may need to break this down so you'll understand.
1. defamationalso called calumny, libel, slander (for spoken words)
2. is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.
3. May I point out the words Factual, Individual, business and Negative Image.

The above quote from Nifty is what fired me up a few days ago because it was intended to stir up problems, my opinion and it was defiantly slander per the above definition. I don't run an RTG Online Casino as implied above and it gave me, my website a negative image. As I tried to explain I operate a White Label casino which is like any affiliate site operator on CM's forum. I have two, not one casino that I support on the site along with a sports book, race book etc..
I don't advertise around here and I'm not looking for players from CM's site. I pay for advertising. But darned if I'm not going to stand up for myself in a public forum whether the groupies around here like it or not. Again, not trying to cause a problem just replying to what you said to me bernynhel.
The above is undisputed facts, sorry.

 

[jetset]

@TOC

If there's one pejorative that gets me going it's when folks refer to those with a differing opinion as "groupies".

The implication that a number of members are deliberately and maliciously colluding to denigrate another member is not only usually inaccurate, but also generally insulting imo, implying that there is an inability to form one's own opinion.

My individual opinion is that Nifty was right to draw attention to your position as an RTG supporter/white label operator, given your previous contributions here, and that he certainly did not intend to defame of even offend you.

Using the riposte that you are being libelled is therefore pretty much irrelevant to this discussion - again in my individual opinion.

TOC, if I may offer a suggestion; it's not the best idea to imply that other members on a message board are defaming/slandering/libelling/whatever you and could thus be open to litigation. The implied threat of legal action is in very bad taste and lacks the means of practical application for a whole range of considerations if you really think about it.

But the main thing is that it really isn't the convention to hint however remotely at such threats on a forum, presumably in the hope of silencing critics. That's why you so rarely see it being done.

BTW why the coyness on the identity of your white label? I can see you understandably take some pride in it, and your posts here have almost certainly heightened curiousity regarding it.

 

[TOC]

@TOC

If there's one pejorative that gets me going it's when folks refer to those with a differing opinion as "groupies".

The implication that a number of members are deliberately and maliciously colluding to denigrate another member is not only usually inaccurate, but also generally insulting imo, implying that there is an inability to form one's own opinion.

My individual opinion is that Nifty was right to draw attention to your position as an RTG supporter/white label operator, given your previous contributions here, and that he certainly did not intend to defame of even offend you.

Using the riposte that you are being libelled is therefore pretty much irrelevant to this discussion - again in my individual opinion.

TOC, if I may offer a suggestion; it's not the best idea to imply that other members on a message board are defaming/slandering/libelling/whatever you and could thus be open to litigation. The implied threat of legal action is in very bad taste and lacks the means of practical application for a whole range of considerations if you really think about it.

But the main thing is that it really isn't the convention to hint however remotely at such threats on a forum, presumably in the hope of silencing critics. That's why you so rarely see it being done.

BTW why the coyness on the identity of your white label? I can see you understandably take some pride in it, and your posts here have almost certainly heightened curiousity regarding it.

Really why must I go on? Jetset with over 11,031 posts you should see my point unless you're looking for 11,032? If I may address your questions, yes I address the older CM crowd as groupies, old timers, and whatever, why do you take this as an insult? They cause problems and keep dead threads going like yourself. I directed my post to Nifty & bernynhel only so where you get I'm ragging all members is incorrect. I only suggested that the new members take a look at what I'm saying. Your opinion is appreciated but facts are facts so why do you defend someone that's addressed and slandered me personally? I've never addressed litigation only facts. Right I'm gonna waste my time with litigation over my site or any member on CM! Bahaaa!! I've never threaten anyone on this site, only stated facts, you're wrong and out of line. If you for some reason you need the site address PM me like any normal member would do.

 

[chayton]

[slight derail]
Just wanted to say thanks to the All Star Slots rep who got my account straightened out.
[/derail]

Back to what you were doing.

 

[Nifty29]

Ive read all the new stuff you posted TOC, and it just churns over and over the same point:

slandered me personally

Did I mention the defence to slander/libel/defamation is truth??

You DO, by your own admission, operate an RTG casino (be it while label or whatever)

Hence, there can be no libel etc as I stated a fact.

The only way anyone could read this to be defamatory is if you didnt want to be associated with RTG.....which doesnt make sense as you obviously rate them.

Its also proper to note that I didnt:

1. Mention your name (only your forum alias)
2. Mention the name of your casino/white label/etc
3. Make any disparaging remarks about any of the above.

I mean, why didnt you just say 'yep I operate an RTG casino but Ill try to be open-minded in my responses bla bla bla' and move on. Instead, you have turned it into a thread that is all about how awful everyone is treating you and how the senior members of the forum have some kind of hidden agenda to destroy your as-yet-unnamed website and 'personal' credibility. Come on TOC, behave like an adult and stop de-railing this thread any more than you have.

 

[silcnlayc]

Just letting you know Nifty29, I am still chillin and trying to stay on good behaviour...but geez..it's hard!

.

 

[bernynhel]

With all due respect, I'd suggest you read the thread for a third time and then study the many definitions of the word slander before addressing my replies. Among other members too.
In law, defamationalso called calumny, libel, slander (for spoken words), and vilification (for written or otherwise published words)is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.
I may need to break this down so you'll understand.
1. defamationalso called calumny, libel, slander (for spoken words)
2. is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.
3. May I point out the words Factual, Individual, business and Negative Image.

The above quote from Nifty is what fired me up a few days ago because it was intended to stir up problems, my opinion and it was defiantly slander per the above definition. I don't run an RTG Online Casino as implied above and it gave me, my website a negative image. As I tried to explain I operate a White Label casino which is like any affiliate site operator on CM's forum. I have two, not one casino that I support on the site along with a sports book, race book etc..
I don't advertise around here and I'm not looking for players from CM's site. I pay for advertising. But darned if I'm not going to stand up for myself in a public forum whether the groupies around here like it or not. Again, not trying to cause a problem just replying to what you said to me bernynhel.
The above is undisputed facts, sorry.

I started this thread for CM members to give their opinions about what RTG casinos they like or dislike, not for you to air your delusional, paranoid rants or strut your legal expertise, which, from the looks of things, is just another delusion. Now they gotta wade through all your BS to read RTG posts. Ever hear a the phrase, "Take it outside"?

No one needs to paint you in a funky light, you've done a great job, unassisted. Even if all of your claims of slanderous posts about you were true, they'd make you and your website look good compared to your own, whiny posts.

And you wanna break what down for me? I was schooled at Boalt Hall. You?

 

[TOC]

I said all I need to say.

 

[jetset]

Really why must I go on? Jetset with over 11,031 posts you should see my point unless you're looking for 11,032? If I may address your questions, yes I address the older CM crowd as groupies, old timers, and whatever, why do you take this as an insult? They cause problems and keep dead threads going like yourself. I directed my post to Nifty & bernynhel only so where you get I'm ragging all members is incorrect. I only suggested that the new members take a look at what I'm saying. Your opinion is appreciated but facts are facts so why do you defend someone that's addressed and slandered me personally? I've never addressed litigation only facts. Right I'm gonna waste my time with litigation over my site or any member on CM! Bahaaa!! I've never threaten anyone on this site, only stated facts, you're wrong and out of line. If you for some reason you need the site address PM me like any normal member would do.

I'm clearly wasting my time in trying to present you with an alternative to the unfortunate and overly sensitive manner in which you have been conducting yourself here - and if you did not wish to imply the possibility of litigation as a threat, why bother bringing it up at all?

If you are uncomfortable revealing your white label brand, then I respect your right not to do so.

There's no conspiracy to discredit you here, just members voicing an opinion as they are all entitled to do - and the number of posts any member makes at Casinomeister is irrelevent; it's usually a function of the amount of time they have been members.

 

[Mavin1]

Getting back on track. I am sooooooo bummed that RTG's have gone so stingy for what can be long periods of time and then bam! hit you with a couple nice wins here and there and then it's back to the dry spells. I love the slots RTG offers, but when you are playing spins in the hundreds and not hitting any features or only occasionally hitting a few that don't even come close to your investment to get it, it's sad .
What I have noticed for a long time, is that the good wins will only be on the bonus rounds but not even there all the time, the regular spins rarely net anything that will boost your money back up. It's always 2 of this or 3 of that, rarely is it 4 of this and 5 of that. So unless you get the free spins to save your little investment, you're sunk.
You would think that with RTG's glutting the online gaming market that a few would stay a little more generous in the return, just to keep their customers. As it is, we just keep floating around trying them all, putting them aside, then coming back to try them all again. And with each come back they're fewer on our lists. I would think if they saw that having customers that stayed and only spent with them, that they would be happy with this. But maybe they see that down the road, due to economic conditions worsening that online players are going to deminish, so they're getting it while the gettin's good.

 

[edspeere]

Rtg's

Where do I start! Gold VIP has burned me for around $1400.00. Palace of chance has denied me a withdrawl for $900.00. And there are others I can't remember because I don't and never will deposit at an RTG ever again.

 

[eu_lowroller]

Palace of chance has denied me a withdrawl for $900.00. And there are others I can't remember because I don't and never will deposit at an RTG ever again.

Hm and only because you've played in ROGUE RTG Casinos, you'll never play there again?

Maybe you should try at first the accredited Casinos and not the Rogues?

There are so much out here, but you must certainly also look for it

 

[Mavin1]

In all fairness to Edspeere, who hasn't waded through the rogue pits at one time or another, until we learn about forums, rogue lists and such.
New players are daily being dupped by the unscrupulous affiliates that continue to praise and advertise these Rogue sites. Makes one wonder why, they must be getting some good commissions for aiding in the rip off.
But through trial and error and learning more about the good and the bad a player can become more savy when finding sites like this that have very good and well seasoned players and affiliates that do help a tremendous deal. Here one finds many lessons to be learned and the school of hard knocks is lessend by reading and listening to those that are seasoned players and reputable affiliates. This site is PRICELESS!
I have gone through the pits at one time as many do, but not anymore,.
A big THANK YOU, to all you good people here on CM that are always ready to lend your experience and advice to help others along the way.