Where have all the bonuses gone?

[Patriot66]

Am I correct in thinking that a player using a 50-100% bonus is better in the long run for the casino (assuming 40+ x bonus wagering) than a player playing with no bonus?

The reason I mention it is that I can't remember the last time I got a 'decent' bonus offer from any of the major accredited casinos.

I only really deposit for the playtime so using a bonus is a good way of extending it.

Redbet, Casinoluck and Next do their standard monthly 50% (which is great).

I can't remember anything recently from GUTS, BETAT or 32 Red / Dash. Think I could be bonus banned at the last two for some reason (certainly not from winning though!).

Is there potentially a reason why regular bonuses appear to have suddenly stopped at some sites or is it just me that's experienced this?

 

[muziq]

im bonus banned at 32 red too still wondering why ... and i left that where it is ...

Guts and betat have their decent weekly promotion ...

luck & next now offers at least 2-3 times 50% deposit offer

as for the Mg download casinos red flush and first web offering me nice deposit bonus ranging 50-125%

and last but not least bet spin also accredited and give nice offers you should check that ...

 

[asadzareef89]

I agree with the OP, betat stopped sending me offers as well and just 25% every wednesday which has a massive wagering, deposited 50 got 12.5 and wagering was 1250, and once cashback monthly(no email for that too, just go on site n checked the eligible promos)

Also leovegas were brilliant with weekly offers, asked am i bonus banned and was told no, then i asked why hasnt there been an email to me for 5-6 months and they said check ur spams and i always do, still waiting on a reply from bonus team

The worst of the lot has been betsafe, used to be one of the best with almost 2 matches weekly and 50 fs daily to first 200-500 players but been almost a year not had any offer from them other than 5 quid free once to try stickers which was shite

Agree with muziq, the only casino with good offers now is betspin with daily offers

I'm also on the ban list of 32red(wonder how many players they must have lost to this)

 

[Journeyman]

such a strange thing to get ¨bonus banned¨. im indeed curious if bonuses with a, say, 25x B+D playthrough are favourable for the casino in the long run or for the player.

 

[Jono777]

One of the most experienced and respected members on here said not long back that bonuses are for the benefit of the casino and not the player.

As a low roller (who relies on a bonus if nothing else to extend play time) I could totally agree with their point but also saw the benefit to the player too.

Now with the ever increasing T&C's and WR I'm slowly but surely beginning to lean towards 'bonus free play'

I hit nearly a 1000x feature the weekend gone, taking my balance from less than £30 to over £300, thanks to the WR I didn't even manage to cash out 1/2 of this, so yes bonuses are more beneficial to the casino in this instance.

On the other hand I have 'rescued' my balance numerous times with my 'last pennies' which was reliant on a bonus and would have been a much earlier 'bust' without said bonus.

So they do work both ways but I'd say the %age lies in the casinos favour

 

[citizenx]

One of the most experienced and respected members on here said not long back that bonuses are for the benefit of the casino and not the player.

As a low roller (who relies on a bonus if nothing else to extend play time) I could totally agree with their point but also saw the benefit to the player too.

Now with the ever increasing T&C's and WR I'm slowly but surely beginning to lean towards 'bonus free play'

I hit nearly a 1000x feature the weekend gone, taking my balance from less than £30 to over £300, thanks to the WR I didn't even manage to cash out 1/2 of this, so yes bonuses are more beneficial to the casino in this instance.

On the other hand I have 'rescued' my balance numerous times with my 'last pennies' which was reliant on a bonus and would have been a much earlier 'bust' without said bonus.

So they do work both ways but I'd say the %age lies in the casinos favour

When I signed up at LuckyDino I got a 100% bonus on my £25 deposit.

I thought you could forefeit bonus if you won with initial "real money" and hit a £300 win when I had £25.27 (ish) left. Turned out not to be the case son had about £1250 wagering to clear.

Upped stakes and plowed on over next day or so. Ended up withdrawing over £400. Think it peaked around £500.

Was satisfied and got the plenty of playtime BUT as a rule I don't take deposit bonuses. Just when playing funds are low.

 

[ProbabilityZero]

My theory is as follows:

When looking strictly at RTP bonus play obviously weighted in favour of casino. Because of this I've often pondered why such bonuses are becoming rarer. After all, as stated, ever increasing WR, conditions and barred games prevent bonus abuse!

But....

Most of us have jobs, family, other interests and therefore have limited TIME to play. Therefore if we take a match deposit bonus the extended playtime may and probably does still prevent/limit as many extra deposits we may have made without bonuses.

Therefore although casinos obviously do make more out of a match deposit of say £50, they lose out on other EXTRA deposits many may have made if they hadn't been busy playing through a WR.

To me this is the only sensible reason..... But of course I may well be wrong

 

[MightyDuck]

Am I correct in thinking that a player using a 50-100% bonus is better in the long run for the casino (assuming 40+ x bonus wagering) than a player playing with no bonus?

It depends I think. If you are a low-roller with deposits of €20 to €30 and take bonuses and play your slots with minimum bets (say 30c) then bonuses are still in most cases good for the player. The way Jon plays for example is clever. Usually taking a bonus and low-rolling. Sure you sometimes hit big early and want to cashout but how often do you hit something after you've lost your initial deposit and keep playing with the bonus funds hitting big with money you wouldn't have had.
Still I've also recognized many casinos get tighter and tighter with their bonuses. Really a pitty because most bonuses are terrible anyway. Also the terms get more and more complicated.

We should be fair and alter the threads name to "Where have all the GOOD bonuses gone". I still get quite a lot of offers. They are rather bad though in most cases

 

[spintee]

Bonus's have seem to have dried up, Only time I get a an email of 32 is when theres a 100%, But check this out I just looked at the dish of the day & I have a £30 bonus sitting in there?

 

[mcgameboy]

Am I correct in thinking that a player using a 50-100% bonus is better in the long run for the casino (assuming 40+ x bonus wagering) than a player playing with no bonus?

The reason I mention it is that I can't remember the last time I got a 'decent' bonus offer from any of the major accredited casinos.

I only really deposit for the playtime so using a bonus is a good way of extending it.

Redbet, Casinoluck and Next do their standard monthly 50% (which is great).

I can't remember anything recently from GUTS, BETAT or 32 Red / Dash. Think I could be bonus banned at the last two for some reason (certainly not from winning though!).

Is there potentially a reason why regular bonuses appear to have suddenly stopped at some sites or is it just me that's experienced this?

I've been bonus banned at Dash, Golden Lounge and Nedplay, but not at 32Red. Now I can sort of understand why I was banned at Dash and Nedplay, because I am "ahead" at both. But at Golden Lounge, I am way behind. In fact, my luck has been almost non-existent from the moment I signed up there. I also found the timing of my ban to be rather poor, as I had been on a very lengthy losing streak across the entire group. Therefore, I simply did not have the means to deposit more frequently. Casinos can't have it both ways. Or is that what they want? For me to start gambling IRRESPONSIBLY just to avoid bonus bans? Either way, I was not happy, especially with the Golden Lounge ban. They'll soon find out what I think of their decision when they see me make no deposits at Dash and Nedplay this month. Casinos wanna go Scrooge on me? Fine. Here's my empty wallet. Help yourself.

im bonus banned at 32 red too still wondering why ... and i left that where it is ...

Perhaps it's because you were ahead my friend. But then again, I've just said I got bonus banned at Golden Lounge despite two things 1. Being behind for the lifetime of my account and 2. Actually making more deposits there WITHOUT taking a bonus than I did at the other 3 32Red Group casinos put together. I'm still finding that decision puzzling.

I'm also on the ban list of 32red(wonder how many players they must have lost to this)

You might find that any players they have lost have since returned due to various max cashout fiascos at other MG download casinos.

such a strange thing to get ¨bonus banned¨. im indeed curious if bonuses with a, say, 25x B+D playthrough are favourable for the casino in the long run or for the player.

Undoubtedly it favours the casino. You win without a bonus, you are free to leg it with your quickly gotten gains. You win with a bonus, you need to keep winning to have enough to make a worthwhile cashout once WR is met.

One of the most experienced and respected members on here said not long back that bonuses are for the benefit of the casino and not the player.

As a low roller (who relies on a bonus if nothing else to extend play time) I could totally agree with their point but also saw the benefit to the player too.

Now with the ever increasing T&C's and WR I'm slowly but surely beginning to lean towards 'bonus free play'

I hit nearly a 1000x feature the weekend gone, taking my balance from less than £30 to over £300, thanks to the WR I didn't even manage to cash out 1/2 of this, so yes bonuses are more beneficial to the casino in this instance.

On the other hand I have 'rescued' my balance numerous times with my 'last pennies' which was reliant on a bonus and would have been a much earlier 'bust' without said bonus.

So they do work both ways but I'd say the %age lies in the casinos favour

I attribute a good portion of my turnaround to playing more often without a bonus. If I play without a bonus, I have one goal....to double it up. Even one as little as £25. One double up pays for the next deposit of the same amount.

I had the same thing happen to me at Nedplay in April. Not 1000x, but a good solid 400x. For the sake of a poxy WR of £750, I saw a potential cashout of £375 end up becoming one for just £150.

I've also had a "bonus rescue" as recently as yesterday. Which meant instead of a certain bustout, I cashed out for £250.

In my experience though, bonuses have been "more costly" for me.

 

[cncas2123]

I think it depends on the bonus and WR. If you are getting less than 100% bonus and the WR are bonus + deposit, its pointless taking the bonus because it will be very unlikely you will clear the WR. If its 100% and sensible WR, say 30 x or 35 x bonus, you have a chance of clearing, but at worse you will get good extended play. And as others have pointed put, bear in mind the terms, make sure they are reasonable. Personally I dont take a bonus with the exception of SUB, as I like to know that if I get some luck I can withdraw when I want and I am not tied to hours of play that might turn out to be pointless.

 

[mac72]

Get to vip on Mr Green and you will get all the bonuses you want , thats been my experience anyway , nothing to touch them

 

[Jono777]

Get to vip on Mr Green and you will get all the bonuses you want , thats been my experience anyway , nothing to touch them

Is this possible for low rollers tho? Would it be based on frequency of deposits or amounts deposited? I have a budget of around £100 per week and couldn't imagine becoming VIP anywhere with that amount

 

[mac72]

Is this possible for low rollers tho? Would it be based on frequency of deposits or amounts deposited? I have a budget of around £100 per week and couldn't imagine becoming VIP anywhere with that amount

Did you ever ask? You don't ask you don't get?

 

[Jono777]

Did you ever ask? You don't ask you don't get?

I do have a very brief deposit history with them in the past but not deposited for a long time as I generally look for a deposit match and other than Starburst FS, they don't send any. Cheers for Advice

 

[Harry_BKK]

Am I correct in thinking that a player using a 50-100% bonus is better in the long run for the casino (assuming 40+ x bonus wagering) than a player playing with no bonus?

The reason I mention it is that I can't remember the last time I got a 'decent' bonus offer from any of the major accredited casinos.

I only really deposit for the playtime so using a bonus is a good way of extending it.

Redbet, Casinoluck and Next do their standard monthly 50% (which is great).

I can't remember anything recently from GUTS, BETAT or 32 Red / Dash. Think I could be bonus banned at the last two for some reason (certainly not from winning though!).

Is there potentially a reason why regular bonuses appear to have suddenly stopped at some sites or is it just me that's experienced this?

I do not take bonuses that often, however, the weekly/monthly reloads are mostly good percentage matches. The WR are pretty ridiculous in some cases:

RedBet: 50% up to 50 - WR 74 x bonus (25 x B&D)
Energy: 50% up to 100 - WR 59 x bonus (20 x B&D)
CasinoLuck&Next: 50% up to 200/300 - WR 39 x bonus (13 x B&D)
Guts: 40% up to 40 - WR 35 x bonus
32RED: 25-100% DOTD, max 100 - WR 30 x bonus

My guess is that over 90% of the players taking the bonuses with high WR bust out well before they make the WR. Well, that is my own personal experience.

 

[BETAT]

Cant talk about the others...

We still run 100% and upwards matches - although to be fair, the player lists are dynamic and are related to "total marketing cost"

When you think of "bonus is 25 B+D so its in the favour of casino" its not entirely true, due to

1) Game volatility. You are considering factory RTP of 96% however almost never does a player end up with perfect RTP. They are either winning (RTP 100+) or losing at various levels (RTP <100, and abysmal at times). So event the hardest bonuses have about 30% conversion ratio across the player base

2) Game provider cost. they charge us on bonuses lost as if its real money. most do anyway. So if you take a 20% game fee for example on a lost 100, plus a lost 100 bonus. thats 40% of earnings gone against the 100 you lost. The player sees their loses at 100, while the casino sees earnings of 60. The points of view start diverging there more rewards are thrown in... freebies, cashbacks, etc..

thats why you'd sometimes experience a bonus "cool-off" periods at casinos where it seems like things have dried up. take a look at your account and add up all the deposits made, against all the bonuses awarded in a period of time. If you are hitting 50-60% of bonuses against deposits, or more - there is a good chance the casino will cut the flow for a while for your real money deposits to catch up.

If for nothing else, to lower your "product" cost to the business. Players that ONLY play if there is a match become rapidly too expensive to maintain and that marketing budget is diverted to more balanced players.

Simmos and Bryans articles on the "slow death" of the bonus cover that from players ad casinos perspective quite well..

Once advice i'd give to players is to try and keep their bonus to deposit ratio to under 25% over any extended period of time. if you consider that on average, casino will keep between 20 and 30% of all deposits as revenue, and you are running at 80% bonus to deposit ratio, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why that's not good for the bottom line. In that case the budget is diverted to reward a more balanced customer... at least with operators that take their bottom line into consideration, or know how to

hope that helps.

EDIT

Also, playing with real money from time to time, gives you the absolute liberty to play however you wish. Which is liberating in its own right (directed at players who wouldn't deposit without a match). It also allows you to start reviewing your favourite places by some other metrics, which IMHO are far more important, like game selection, presentation, information, enjoyment of browsing or belonging to the culture of the site, ingenuity of engagement promotions which are not deposit match driven... and so on.

if your budget does not allow you to play without a bonus once in a while, then prepare to open many, many accounts to get the max offering around, but that will also reduce your loyalty rating and rewards that come from building your value with a few entities that you relaly enjoy.. its give and take, and its tailored to what you feel works for you the most

END EDIT

 

[lockinlove]

We still run 100% and upwards matches - although to be fair, the player lists are dynamic and are related to "total marketing cost"

When you think of "bonus is 25 B+D so its in the favour of casino" its not entirely true, due to

1) Game volatility. You are considering factory RTP of 96% however almost never does a player end up with perfect RTP. They are either winning (RTP 100+) or losing at various levels (RTP <100, and abysmal at times). So event the hardest bonuses have about 30% conversion ratio across the player base

2) Game provider cost. they charge us on bonuses lost as if its real money. most do anyway. So if you take a 20% game fee for example on a lost 100, plus a lost 100 bonus. thats 40% of earnings gone against the 100 you lost. The player sees their loses at 100, while the casino sees earnings of 60. The points of view start diverging there more rewards are thrown in... freebies, cashbacks, etc..

thats why you'd sometimes experience a bonus "cool-off" periods at casinos where it seems like things have dried up. take a look at your account and add up all the deposits made, against all the bonuses awarded in a period of time. If you are hitting 50-60% of bonuses against deposits, or more - there is a good chance the casino will cut the flow for a while for your real money deposits to catch up.

If for nothing else, to lower your "product" cost to the business. Players that ONLY play if there is a match become rapidly too expensive to maintain and that marketing budget is diverted to more balanced players.

Simmos and Bryans articles on the "slow death" of the bonus cover that from players ad casinos perspective quite well..

Once advice i'd give to players is to try and keep their bonus to deposit ratio to under 25% over any extended period of time. if you consider that on average, casino will keep between 20 and 30% of all deposits as revenue, and you are running at 80% bonus to deposit ratio, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why that's not good for the bottom line. In that case the budget is diverted to reward a more balanced customer... at least with operators that take their bottom line into consideration, or know how to

hope that helps.

EDIT

Also, playing with real money from time to time, gives you the absolute liberty to play however you wish. Which is liberating in its own right (directed at players who wouldn't deposit without a match). It also allows you to start reviewing your favourite places by some other metrics, which IMHO are far more important, like game selection, presentation, information, enjoyment of browsing or belonging to the culture of the site, ingenuity of engagement promotions which are not deposit match driven... and so on.

if your budget does not allow you to play without a bonus once in a while, then prepare to open many, many accounts to get the max offering around, but that will also reduce your loyalty rating and rewards that come from building your value with a few entities that you relaly enjoy.. its give and take, and its tailored to what you feel works for you the most

END EDIT

I got a nice bonus from you guys last night. deposit $200 get $200 with 25x wagering. I tried my best and was doing good. Then I raised my bets to $3 and $6 and out went the funds lol.

I saw 10,000 wagering and was like oh my god thats crazy. In reality I should have just went around the casino when I was up to $650 and had fun trying tonnes of games and not focused so much on hammering away the wagering quickly.

I did get a little frustrated that once I raised my bets the slot that I had 10,000 spins on all of the sudden went ice cold.

Ah well.

 

[BETAT]

I hope you know we have the early cashout option

 

[lockinlove]

I hope you know we have the early cashout option

Nope. What do you mean? If I get up I can cancel the bonus and cash out?

 

[asadzareef89]

We still run 100% and upwards matches - although to be fair, the player lists are dynamic and are related to "total marketing cost"

When you think of "bonus is 25 B+D so its in the favour of casino" its not entirely true, due to

1) Game volatility. You are considering factory RTP of 96% however almost never does a player end up with perfect RTP. They are either winning (RTP 100+) or losing at various levels (RTP <100, and abysmal at times). So event the hardest bonuses have about 30% conversion ratio across the player base

2) Game provider cost. they charge us on bonuses lost as if its real money. most do anyway. So if you take a 20% game fee for example on a lost 100, plus a lost 100 bonus. thats 40% of earnings gone against the 100 you lost. The player sees their loses at 100, while the casino sees earnings of 60. The points of view start diverging there more rewards are thrown in... freebies, cashbacks, etc..

thats why you'd sometimes experience a bonus "cool-off" periods at casinos where it seems like things have dried up. take a look at your account and add up all the deposits made, against all the bonuses awarded in a period of time. If you are hitting 50-60% of bonuses against deposits, or more - there is a good chance the casino will cut the flow for a while for your real money deposits to catch up.

If for nothing else, to lower your "product" cost to the business. Players that ONLY play if there is a match become rapidly too expensive to maintain and that marketing budget is diverted to more balanced players.

Simmos and Bryans articles on the "slow death" of the bonus cover that from players ad casinos perspective quite well..

Once advice i'd give to players is to try and keep their bonus to deposit ratio to under 25% over any extended period of time. if you consider that on average, casino will keep between 20 and 30% of all deposits as revenue, and you are running at 80% bonus to deposit ratio, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why that's not good for the bottom line. In that case the budget is diverted to reward a more balanced customer... at least with operators that take their bottom line into consideration, or know how to

hope that helps.

EDIT

Also, playing with real money from time to time, gives you the absolute liberty to play however you wish. Which is liberating in its own right (directed at players who wouldn't deposit without a match). It also allows you to start reviewing your favourite places by some other metrics, which IMHO are far more important, like game selection, presentation, information, enjoyment of browsing or belonging to the culture of the site, ingenuity of engagement promotions which are not deposit match driven... and so on.

if your budget does not allow you to play without a bonus once in a while, then prepare to open many, many accounts to get the max offering around, but that will also reduce your loyalty rating and rewards that come from building your value with a few entities that you relaly enjoy.. its give and take, and its tailored to what you feel works for you the most

END EDIT

I guess that's the reason my offers have dried up lol

Anyways thanks for explaining that in detail, not many reps take the time to write up such informative material

 

[BETAT]

Nope. What do you mean? If I get up I can cancel the bonus and cash out?

As long as you don't dip into the bonus funds, yeah.

 

[muziq]

Nope. What do you mean? If I get up I can cancel the bonus and cash out?

of course if you didnt touch bonus ,, you could cash out at any time your real balance in betat

 

[lockinlove]

As long as you don't dip into the bonus funds, yeah.

lol I am now on life tilt. OMG. I could have cashed out $250 then.

 

[muziq]

As long as you don't dip into the bonus funds, yeah.

lol you beat me to it aint it too early in that part of world

a very wonderful and informative post by the way ... im a guy who take bonus regularly
and now i see both side of it

i dont miss the bonus offers at betat its same as usual for me
but i do miss your hunts .. aint it time to do one

 

[Harry_BKK]

As long as you don't dip into the bonus funds, yeah.

would love to register at your casino but it seems Thailand is not on your world map...have to move to Cambodia or Timor Leste been to both countries and can hardly believe you get that many punters from those places ..... just kidding

do you have any plans to make your casino available in TH?

 

[BETAT]

Lol Harry,

I'll check how come its not on the country list.

Will PM you shortly

would love to register at your casino but it seems Thailand is not on your world map...have to move to Cambodia or Timor Leste been to both countries and can hardly believe you get that many punters from those places ..... just kidding

do you have any plans to make your casino available in TH?

 

[hedgehok]

You'll love it there. Great casino (despite the rants).

 

[keiller]

Great Casino Betat the best in my opinion especially the freeze your gameplay until the withdrawal is processed

 

[asadzareef89]

well after a month i get an email from betsafe about some challenge, first challenge was wager 20 quid on any slot for mystery riddle with fs, completed it, got 5 fs on flowers with 15 lines activated and won 0

First time, i have got reduced lines fs on netent slot from any casino

Should we start worrying about all the netent promos we get with fs? i know it happens very often with mg but its a first for me from netent

 

[hausse222]

thats ugly

 

[brianmon]

Once advice i'd give to players is to try and keep their bonus to deposit ratio to under 25% over any extended period of time. if you consider that on average, casino will keep between 20 and 30% of all deposits as revenue, and you are running at 80% bonus to deposit ratio, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why that's not good for the bottom line. In that case the budget is diverted to reward a more balanced customer... at least with operators that take their bottom line into consideration, or know how to

AS far as Betat goes. is that based on claiming deposit bonuses and cash-back bonuses, or actually using them?
Since it's possible to claim a bonus or cash-back offer. Then cash-out (assuming you haven't used any of the bonus money, or lost enough to trigger the cash-back).
So technically you've only actually played with your own money

 

[dreamguardian1]

I just asked a similar question to us in the America thread. Because i have my opinion on it and my feelings are that any bonus code just keeps the player playing until they lose it all due to the high rollover amounts. So that if you do get one good spin of say $200. plus you are not going to be able to cash out due to the rollover. Historically, i have found that bonus codes are for the casino and not the player and only in rare cases do people ever get to cashout. Now there are the rare cases where people do cashout hugely from bonus codes but mostly i see they eventually lose it or cannot meet the rollover and lose it all. Whenever i get any bonus codes in my email box or see them in the casino, i immediately break out my calculator and start calculating and 9 times out of 10, the rollover is way to high even on a low deposit to ever bother with it. The theory that you are still playing with your own money confuses me, because while yes you are playing with your own money on the deposit, you are not going to be able to cash out any winnings you could have had if you would not have used the bonus code in the first place. Again this is only my thoughts on it, many others are going to think differently or the same or have a different view based either upon their experiences or just not knowing how bonus codes actually work. I recently answered a survey about bonus codes which I firmly believe that bonus codes are a bane in the industry just to get more players money and not pay people out.

 

[spintee]

I have just been informed by a secret source, If there books are healthy they chuck you a bonus or send out emails, If alot of withdraws have been made and not so many depos than you get nothing, They have a bar that if its on yellow than to send out emails with a few spins and any one moans than to chuck than a chip, If on red than do not give nothing or they will not get there wage

 

[dreamguardian1]

I have a question. With sooo many players on 32reds bonus ban list. Why are they still accredited? While i have my own personal issues with bonus codes, i am not going to begrude any other player from using them to try and win, more power them. I would think that something like this would hurt the casinos accreditation not to mention reputation.

 

[dreamguardian1]

I have just been informed by a secret source, If there books are healthy they chuck you a bonus or send out emails, If alot of withdraws have been made and not so many depos than you get nothing, They have a bar that if its on yellow than to send out emails with a few spins and any one moans than to chuck than a chip, If on red than do not give nothing or they will not get there wage

This does not surprise me at all. This runs along the same lines as my inside source telling me they can change the odds of winning at any given time by hitting a button same as regular casinos.

 

[spintee]

I have a question. With sooo many players on 32reds bonus ban list. Why are they still accredited? While i have my own personal issues with bonus codes, i am not going to begrude any other player from using them to try and win, more power them. I would think that something like this would hurt the casinos accreditation not to mention reputation.

It does hurt reputation as why you see so many post about it,

90% Of my deposits are bonus related, But nether been bared, Most probs as I always lose, But can see how frustrating it is for players as there nether seems to be a good answer, Some people are down, some not deposit as much,some people took to many? Well what is it? Seems like its getting passed on again, Somebody must know the score & maybe if told players it would work better for the casino,
Why so many secrets in this business, Its why CS know shit all as I bet there told nothing, Just keep players sweet is there job and that does not work out to well either

 

[dreamguardian1]

I think then we need to recommend that issues like this also affect the accredditation process or at the very least hurt the accreditation scores. This is huge for many players and i dont think it is right at all especially if its not being abused. If they offer the bonus no matter how many bonuses you have the right to use that bonus without worry and I would be one of the first ones to call them on it. Oh wait a minute i am doing that now BAD MOVE 32red.

 

[spintee]

This is my last shout on this topic

I must admit bonus have dried up, I do not no the reason casinos chose to pin such players, such as give this person a bonus and not the other,

I personally love a bonus & If I do not get offered one threw email them simply not play there,

We have to bear in mind that bonus is a perk an extra for us, Maybe if casino did let lose there sats than we think diffrent but I do not think thats going to happen in a hurry,

No casino is there for the good of there heart, If I was in charge I would certainly make sure players get a fair shout, But remeber that casino only hire the games and they have no say who wins and who does not, I have many of tin foils hats,

Just maybe if some body told the real reason things happen in this industry than may be there would not be so many hats, I have had person emails sent from ex employe's from sites, If you believed what they say than I doubt any of us would be gambling

 

[dreamguardian1]

This is my last shout on this topic

I must admit bonus have dried up, I do not no the reason casinos chose to pin such players, such as give this person a bonus and not the other,

I personally love a bonus & If I do not get offered one threw email them simply not play there,

We have to bear in mind that bonus is a perk an extra for us, Maybe if casino did let lose there sats than we think diffrent but I do not think thats going to happen in a hurry,

No casino is there for the good of there heart, If I was in charge I would certainly make sure players get a fair shout, But remeber that casino only hire the games and they have no say who wins and who does not, I have many of tin foils hats,

Just maybe if some body told the real reason things happen in this industry than may be there would not be so many hats, I have had person emails sent from ex employe's from sites, If you believed what they say than I doubt any of us would be gambling

You are very much correct about this. Although not sure that most bonuses are a perk but thats just my opinion. I have a very dear friend of mine who has worked at every casino in Reno and Vegas and worked for a time for an accredited online casino, that is accredited on here, thank god they do not take US players because i would be in the America thread going HELL TO THE NO. This person is the most honest person i know, she was a singer at the live casinos and the stories she told me about what transpires and how people win and lose had my mouth hanging on the floor. You are very much correct that if everyone knew the truth about what really goes on the gambling industry would be totally shut down. That said, all that would do is push it back into the black market even moreso than it is now. But i do agree there needs to be honesty and i only play at casinos anymore that at least have a ltitle bit of honesty and integrity and when i see something that is wrong i am going to call them on it

Hang in there.

 

[spintee]

You are very much correct about this. Although not sure that most bonuses are a perk but thats just my opinion. I have a very dear friend of mine who has worked at every casino in Reno and Vegas and worked for a time for an accredited online casino, that is accredited on here, thank god they do not take US players because i would be in the America thread going HELL TO THE NO. This person is the most honest person i know, she was a singer at the live casinos and the stories she told me about what transpires and how people win and lose had my mouth hanging on the floor. You are very much correct that if everyone knew the truth about what really goes on the gambling industry would be totally shut down. That said, all that would do is push it back into the black market even moreso than it is now. But i do agree there needs to be honesty and i only play at casinos anymore that at least have a ltitle bit of and when i see something that is wrong i am going to call them on it

Hang in there.

Its true, Alot of shit goes on,

I have always said rules are rules, You either take them or leave them, I do not agree with alot but at least make things clear,
There has been many of threads of people bonus banned and canot redeem points? Well give the players a good reason why not, Holding things back is not good & only puts more doubt in minds,

honesty and integrity as you mentioned would be a good starting point, There is a good few casion out there but as always theres alot not only to do you in but take you to the cleaners

 

[BETAT]

I have just been informed by a secret source, If there books are healthy they chuck you a bonus or send out emails, If alot of withdraws have been made and not so many depos than you get nothing, They have a bar that if its on yellow than to send out emails with a few spins and any one moans than to chuck than a chip, If on red than do not give nothing or they will not get there wage

Are you talking about us?

 

[spintee]

Are you talking about us?

Nooo It was a joke across the board

No your not a bad site, Well top over the most out there,

But I have had messages from numerals ex employees, I guess I am not the only one, I do not publish this due to Its not fair on sites if its not true, Again not had no correspondence from your sites, So you either treat them well or nothing going on out the ordinary

 

[BETAT]

AS far as Betat goes. is that based on claiming deposit bonuses and cash-back bonuses, or actually using them?
Since it's possible to claim a bonus or cash-back offer. Then cash-out (assuming you haven't used any of the bonus money, or lost enough to trigger the cash-back).
So technically you've only actually played with your own money

Our dynamic inclusion in offers are quite complex. For example if a player has 5-6 consecutive deposits, each with a match and nothing without (aka,. only comes on when there is an offer), they will be switched to a cash-back offering for next few emails to see if they have a tendency to deposit without a bonnie, or they'll get more freespins but less dep matches... or we'll go wager based promotions, races, etc.. It's not dead-set and to answer your question regarding claiming vs utilising, claimed bonuses do go into the measurements but utilisation of them is considered (due to their cost)

It's aimed at trying to balance the marketing budgets appropriately. It's not nice to have a player depositing X times, with/without a bonus and offer them the same incentives as to a player that ONLY deposits with bonus. It's not fair on the first player to not be rewarded for their loyalty not matter whether it's "bought" with a bonus or not. I hope that makes sense

 

[brianmon]

Our dynamic inclusion in offers are quite complex. For example if a player has 5-6 consecutive deposits, each with a match and nothing without (aka,. only comes on when there is an offer), they will be switched to a cash-back offering for next few emails to see if they have a tendency to deposit without a bonnie, or they'll get more freespins but less dep matches... or we'll go wager based promotions, races, etc.. It's not dead-set and to answer your question regarding claiming vs utilising, claimed bonuses do go into the measurements but utilisation of them is considered (due to their cost)

It's aimed at trying to balance the marketing budgets appropriately. It's not nice to have a player depositing X times, with/without a bonus and offer them the same incentives as to a player that ONLY deposits with bonus. It's not fair on the first player to not be rewarded for their loyalty not matter whether it's "bought" with a bonus or not. I hope that makes sense

Hmm, I must remember to abuse the match bonuses, lol, I much prefer 100% or 50% cashback rather than 100% or 50% match bonus, as long as it's awarded straight after it's earned, rather days later. it's much easier to wager with your current wagering requirements

£50 deposit + £50 bonus @ 25x D+B= £2500 wagering
£50 deposit + £50 Cashback @ 15x B = £750 wagering

So in order to be in the same position when hitting the bonus of £50 as when starting on the cashback of £50, I would have had to have wagered £1750 with my initial deposit of £50

 

[spintee]

Hmm, I must remember to abuse the match bonuses, lol, I much prefer 100% or 50% cashback rather than 100% or 50% match bonus, as long as it's awarded straight after it's earned, rather days later. it's much easier to wager with your current wagering requirements

£50 deposit + £50 bonus @ 25x D+B= £2500 wagering
£50 deposit + £50 Cashback @ 15x B = £750 wagering

So in order to be in the same position when hitting the bonus of £50 as when starting on the cashback of £50, I would have had to have wagered £1750 with my initial deposit of £50

I can rite a list how bonus work, Ive always said betat as got the best wager going, Not only can you withdraw if touch bonus but wager starts as soon as you start spinning,

So all good from players POV

I have beef with them, but do not knock a casion when they give you a good ofer, I only speak truth, So credit where is due

 

[asadzareef89]

Hmm, I must remember to abuse the match bonuses, lol, I much prefer 100% or 50% cashback rather than 100% or 50% match bonus, as long as it's awarded straight after it's earned, rather days later. it's much easier to wager with your current wagering requirements

£50 deposit + £50 bonus @ 25x D+B= £2500 wagering
£50 deposit + £50 Cashback @ 15x B = £750 wagering

So in order to be in the same position when hitting the bonus of £50 as when starting on the cashback of £50, I would have had to have wagered £1750 with my initial deposit of £50

I personally dont mind the wagering as my main aim is either atleast 15x deposit or max entertainment, but till last week they had a promotion running on wednesdays which offered 25% match

I deposited 50 for 12.5 bonus n wagering was 1250, considering i only play doa 90% my wr would be 2500 which is 200x but i still claimed it as it gave that extra 10 mins of play

Now forget the match bonuses the wednesday 25% has disappeared as well for me

As i noticed few players did get 100% match on 1st but i sadly didn't lol maybe cuz i played the cashback offer