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Where have all the bonuses gone?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Patriot66, Jun 1, 2015.

    Jun 1, 2015
  1. Patriot66

    Patriot66 Experienced Member MM

    Occupation:
    I.T
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Am I correct in thinking that a player using a 50-100% bonus is better in the long run for the casino (assuming 40+ x bonus wagering) than a player playing with no bonus?

    The reason I mention it is that I can't remember the last time I got a 'decent' bonus offer from any of the major accredited casinos.

    I only really deposit for the playtime so using a bonus is a good way of extending it.

    Redbet, Casinoluck and Next do their standard monthly 50% (which is great).

    I can't remember anything recently from GUTS, BETAT or 32 Red / Dash. Think I could be bonus banned at the last two for some reason (certainly not from winning though!).

    Is there potentially a reason why regular bonuses appear to have suddenly stopped at some sites or is it just me that's experienced this? :confused:
     
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  2. Jun 1, 2015
  3. muziq

    muziq Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    govt
    Location:
    in your heart
    im bonus banned at 32 red too still wondering why ... and i left that where it is ...

    Guts and betat have their decent weekly promotion ...

    luck & next now offers at least 2-3 times 50% deposit offer

    as for the Mg download casinos red flush and first web offering me nice deposit bonus ranging 50-125%

    and last but not least bet spin also accredited and give nice offers you should check that ...
     
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  4. Jun 1, 2015
  5. asadzareef89

    asadzareef89 Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
    Admin Asst
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I agree with the OP, betat stopped sending me offers as well and just 25% every wednesday which has a massive wagering, deposited 50 got 12.5 and wagering was 1250, and once cashback monthly(no email for that too, just go on site n checked the eligible promos)

    Also leovegas were brilliant with weekly offers, asked am i bonus banned and was told no, then i asked why hasnt there been an email to me for 5-6 months and they said check ur spams and i always do, still waiting on a reply from bonus team

    The worst of the lot has been betsafe, used to be one of the best with almost 2 matches weekly and 50 fs daily to first 200-500 players but been almost a year not had any offer from them other than 5 quid free once to try stickers which was shite

    Agree with muziq, the only casino with good offers now is betspin with daily offers

    I'm also on the ban list of 32red(wonder how many players they must have lost to this)
     
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  6. Jun 1, 2015
  7. Journeyman

    Journeyman Experienced Member MM

    Occupation:
    Sleep and eat
    Location:
    Europe
    such a strange thing to get ¨bonus banned¨. im indeed curious if bonuses with a, say, 25x B+D playthrough are favourable for the casino in the long run or for the player.
     
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  8. Jun 1, 2015
  9. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    One of the most experienced and respected members on here said not long back that bonuses are for the benefit of the casino and not the player.

    As a low roller (who relies on a bonus if nothing else to extend play time) I could totally agree with their point but also saw the benefit to the player too.

    Now with the ever increasing T&C's and WR I'm slowly but surely beginning to lean towards 'bonus free play'

    I hit nearly a 1000x feature the weekend gone, taking my balance from less than £30 to over £300, thanks to the WR I didn't even manage to cash out 1/2 of this, so yes bonuses are more beneficial to the casino in this instance.

    On the other hand I have 'rescued' my balance numerous times with my 'last pennies' which was reliant on a bonus and would have been a much earlier 'bust' without said bonus.

    So they do work both ways but I'd say the %age lies in the casinos favour
     
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  10. Jun 1, 2015
  11. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
    Stuff
    Location:
    UK
    When I signed up at LuckyDino I got a 100% bonus on my £25 deposit.

    I thought you could forefeit bonus if you won with initial "real money" and hit a £300 win when I had £25.27 (ish) left. Turned out not to be the case son had about £1250 wagering to clear.

    Upped stakes and plowed on over next day or so. Ended up withdrawing over £400. Think it peaked around £500.

    Was satisfied and got the plenty of playtime BUT as a rule I don't take deposit bonuses. Just when playing funds are low.
     
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  12. Jun 1, 2015
  13. ProbabilityZero

    ProbabilityZero Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Carer of Dementia sufferers
    Location:
    Onmybutt
    My theory is as follows:

    When looking strictly at RTP bonus play obviously weighted in favour of casino. Because of this I've often pondered why such bonuses are becoming rarer. After all, as stated, ever increasing WR, conditions and barred games prevent bonus abuse!

    But....

    Most of us have jobs, family, other interests and therefore have limited TIME to play. Therefore if we take a match deposit bonus the extended playtime may and probably does still prevent/limit as many extra deposits we may have made without bonuses.

    Therefore although casinos obviously do make more out of a match deposit of say £50, they lose out on other EXTRA deposits many may have made if they hadn't been busy playing through a WR.

    To me this is the only sensible reason..... But of course I may well be wrong :)
     
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  14. Jun 1, 2015
  15. MightyDuck

    MightyDuck Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    electrical engineer
    Location:
    €urope
    It depends I think. If you are a low-roller with deposits of €20 to €30 and take bonuses and play your slots with minimum bets (say 30c) then bonuses are still in most cases good for the player. The way Jon plays for example is clever. Usually taking a bonus and low-rolling. :thumbsup: Sure you sometimes hit big early and want to cashout but how often do you hit something after you've lost your initial deposit and keep playing with the bonus funds hitting big with money you wouldn't have had.
    Still I've also recognized many casinos get tighter and tighter with their bonuses. Really a pitty because most bonuses are terrible anyway. Also the terms get more and more complicated.

    We should be fair and alter the threads name to "Where have all the GOOD bonuses gone". I still get quite a lot of offers. They are rather bad though in most cases :(
     
  16. Jun 1, 2015
  17. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Bonus's have seem to have dried up, Only time I get a an email of 32 is when theres a 100%, But check this out I just looked at the dish of the day & I have a £30 bonus sitting in there?
     
  18. Jun 1, 2015
  19. mcgameboy

    mcgameboy Screenieholic & Essayist mm2

    Occupation:
    Casual Stocktaker (Inventory Counter)
    Location:
    Belfast
    I've been bonus banned at Dash, Golden Lounge and Nedplay, but not at 32Red. Now I can sort of understand why I was banned at Dash and Nedplay, because I am "ahead" at both. But at Golden Lounge, I am way behind. In fact, my luck has been almost non-existent from the moment I signed up there. I also found the timing of my ban to be rather poor, as I had been on a very lengthy losing streak across the entire group. Therefore, I simply did not have the means to deposit more frequently. Casinos can't have it both ways. Or is that what they want? For me to start gambling IRRESPONSIBLY just to avoid bonus bans? Either way, I was not happy, especially with the Golden Lounge ban. They'll soon find out what I think of their decision when they see me make no deposits at Dash and Nedplay this month. Casinos wanna go Scrooge on me? Fine. Here's my empty wallet. Help yourself.

    Perhaps it's because you were ahead my friend. But then again, I've just said I got bonus banned at Golden Lounge despite two things 1. Being behind for the lifetime of my account and 2. Actually making more deposits there WITHOUT taking a bonus than I did at the other 3 32Red Group casinos put together. I'm still finding that decision puzzling.

    You might find that any players they have lost have since returned due to various max cashout fiascos at other MG download casinos.

    Undoubtedly it favours the casino. You win without a bonus, you are free to leg it with your quickly gotten gains. You win with a bonus, you need to keep winning to have enough to make a worthwhile cashout once WR is met.

    I attribute a good portion of my turnaround to playing more often without a bonus. If I play without a bonus, I have one goal....to double it up. Even one as little as £25. One double up pays for the next deposit of the same amount.

    I had the same thing happen to me at Nedplay in April. Not 1000x, but a good solid 400x. For the sake of a poxy WR of £750, I saw a potential cashout of £375 end up becoming one for just £150.

    I've also had a "bonus rescue" as recently as yesterday. Which meant instead of a certain bustout, I cashed out for £250.

    In my experience though, bonuses have been "more costly" for me.
     
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  20. Jun 1, 2015
  21. cncas2123

    cncas2123 Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Manager
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    Belfast
    I think it depends on the bonus and WR. If you are getting less than 100% bonus and the WR are bonus + deposit, its pointless taking the bonus because it will be very unlikely you will clear the WR. If its 100% and sensible WR, say 30 x or 35 x bonus, you have a chance of clearing, but at worse you will get good extended play. And as others have pointed put, bear in mind the terms, make sure they are reasonable. Personally I dont take a bonus with the exception of SUB, as I like to know that if I get some luck I can withdraw when I want and I am not tied to hours of play that might turn out to be pointless.
     
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  22. Jun 1, 2015
  23. mac72

    mac72 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    gamble
    Location:
    n ireland
    Get to vip on Mr Green and you will get all the bonuses you want , thats been my experience anyway , nothing to touch them :)
     
  24. Jun 1, 2015
  25. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Is this possible for low rollers tho? Would it be based on frequency of deposits or amounts deposited? I have a budget of around £100 per week and couldn't imagine becoming VIP anywhere with that amount :(
     
  26. Jun 1, 2015
  27. mac72

    mac72 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    gamble
    Location:
    n ireland
    Did you ever ask? You don't ask you don't get?
     
  28. Jun 1, 2015
  29. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    I do have a very brief deposit history with them in the past but not deposited for a long time as I generally look for a deposit match and other than Starburst FS, they don't send any. Cheers for Advice ;)
     
  30. Jun 2, 2015
  31. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

    Occupation:
    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    I do not take bonuses that often, however, the weekly/monthly reloads are mostly good percentage matches. The WR are pretty ridiculous in some cases:

    RedBet: 50% up to 50 - WR 74 x bonus (25 x B&D)
    Energy: 50% up to 100 - WR 59 x bonus (20 x B&D)
    CasinoLuck&Next: 50% up to 200/300 - WR 39 x bonus (13 x B&D)
    Guts: 40% up to 40 - WR 35 x bonus
    32RED: 25-100% DOTD, max 100 - WR 30 x bonus

    My guess is that over 90% of the players taking the bonuses with high WR bust out well before they make the WR. Well, that is my own personal experience.
     
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  32. Jun 2, 2015
  33. BETAT

    BETAT Online Gaming Affiliate Manager

    Occupation:
    Casino Rep
    Location:
    counting down until spring
    Cant talk about the others...

    We still run 100% and upwards matches - although to be fair, the player lists are dynamic and are related to "total marketing cost"

    When you think of "bonus is 25 B+D so its in the favour of casino" its not entirely true, due to

    1) Game volatility. You are considering factory RTP of 96% however almost never does a player end up with perfect RTP. They are either winning (RTP 100+) or losing at various levels (RTP <100, and abysmal at times). So event the hardest bonuses have about 30% conversion ratio across the player base

    2) Game provider cost. they charge us on bonuses lost as if its real money. most do anyway. So if you take a 20% game fee for example on a lost 100, plus a lost 100 bonus. thats 40% of earnings gone against the 100 you lost. The player sees their loses at 100, while the casino sees earnings of 60. The points of view start diverging there more rewards are thrown in... freebies, cashbacks, etc..

    thats why you'd sometimes experience a bonus "cool-off" periods at casinos where it seems like things have dried up. take a look at your account and add up all the deposits made, against all the bonuses awarded in a period of time. If you are hitting 50-60% of bonuses against deposits, or more - there is a good chance the casino will cut the flow for a while for your real money deposits to catch up.

    If for nothing else, to lower your "product" cost to the business. Players that ONLY play if there is a match become rapidly too expensive to maintain and that marketing budget is diverted to more balanced players.

    Simmos and Bryans articles on the "slow death" of the bonus cover that from players ad casinos perspective quite well..

    Once advice i'd give to players is to try and keep their bonus to deposit ratio to under 25% over any extended period of time. if you consider that on average, casino will keep between 20 and 30% of all deposits as revenue, and you are running at 80% bonus to deposit ratio, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why that's not good for the bottom line. In that case the budget is diverted to reward a more balanced customer... at least with operators that take their bottom line into consideration, or know how to :)

    hope that helps.

    EDIT

    Also, playing with real money from time to time, gives you the absolute liberty to play however you wish. Which is liberating in its own right (directed at players who wouldn't deposit without a match). It also allows you to start reviewing your favourite places by some other metrics, which IMHO are far more important, like game selection, presentation, information, enjoyment of browsing or belonging to the culture of the site, ingenuity of engagement promotions which are not deposit match driven... and so on.

    if your budget does not allow you to play without a bonus once in a while, then prepare to open many, many accounts to get the max offering around, but that will also reduce your loyalty rating and rewards that come from building your value with a few entities that you relaly enjoy.. its give and take, and its tailored to what you feel works for you the most :)

    END EDIT
     
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  34. Jun 2, 2015
  35. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    I got a nice bonus from you guys last night. deposit $200 get $200 with 25x wagering. I tried my best and was doing good. Then I raised my bets to $3 and $6 and out went the funds lol.

    I saw 10,000 wagering and was like oh my god thats crazy. In reality I should have just went around the casino when I was up to $650 and had fun trying tonnes of games and not focused so much on hammering away the wagering quickly.

    I did get a little frustrated that once I raised my bets the slot that I had 10,000 spins on all of the sudden went ice cold.

    Ah well.
     
  36. Jun 2, 2015
  37. BETAT

    BETAT Online Gaming Affiliate Manager

    Occupation:
    Casino Rep
    Location:
    counting down until spring
    I hope you know we have the early cashout option :)
     
  38. Jun 2, 2015
  39. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Nope. What do you mean? If I get up I can cancel the bonus and cash out?
     

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