What the hell has happened to WMS?

[Siohmy]

Or SG or whatever they are called now.

Are they deliberately trying to bankrupt themselves, at least from the WMS brand point of view. I used to really like playing their slots. Really good variety of ideas and variance. Since the move to HTML though they have gone to absolute sh1t and not just because of recent awful releases.

Firstly abaondon the auto spins. Yes I know they are not the only ones but I get very bored, not to mention repetitive wrist strain having to click every single bloody spin.

If that wasn’t enough it looks like they got a 5 year old to do the re-program. Awful looking, simple appearance on a lot of them. Terrible slow spins and I am not even someone who is a fan of turbo spins.

The final nail though has to be the showing of an outcome of a spin before the thing has completed or, in the case of Motezuma, before it’s even span in! I mean WTF! The latest is Dragons Inferno. Really like this game but the mystery of the replicating symbols is lost somewhat when it shows the winning amount immediately.

Seriously how can they balls this up so badly.

 

[sledge13]

Yup couldn't be any worse, and why get rid of the autospin when everyone else still has it?

 

[Bloatgoat]

I think most WMS games where flash based. Since flash is being abandoned for many years they needed to port over their content. Maybe they got lowzy. I dont see many offers in online casino working with WMS these days. For that reason alone i stick to visiting landbased where they have these original slots as they where intented. Much better.

 

[JGslots]

I agree, WMS used to make the best slots, really fun and had potential, now look at them... Jesus lol.

 

[paul7388]

I agree, WMS used to make the best slots, really fun and had potential, now look at them... Jesus lol.

Guess you are not planning a WMS stream night then

 

[Jono777]

Soon as Rhino and Monty went HTML5 (and they changed the math models, YES they DID!), it was all over for WMS

 

[JGslots]

Guess you are not planning a WMS stream night then

Hell no, they’ve not made a good game since Rhino!

 

[Borgie]

Soon as Rhino and Monty went HTML5 (and they changed the math models, YES they DID!), it was all over for WMS

They changed the math model for ruby slippers too

 

[BrianGhattas]

My experiences with Raging Rhino have been brutal as of late. Can’t even bonus nowadays. Endless dead spins, low paying wins and two diamond teases.

 

[chiya]

I especially hate some of the newer-ish games from WMS where there's like a "sidebar" on the right with the spin button. Every time you spin, the bar hides. Then after a spin, it slowly comes back. Not only the games do not have autospins but spinning the games is SO GODDAMNED SLOW that I'll die of old age before I get a bonus in them.

I only play WMS at land based casinos now where the games still are entertaining. Lower RTP might be a thing but at least they spin at a decent rate and quickspinning is possible, too. Plus imo a lot of good WMS games aren't even released online in the first place so there's that too.

Doesn't the removal of autoplay have something or another to do with the UK laws or something? Why do ROW have to suffer from that? Why aren't those options hidden only from UK players?

 

[JGslots]

Bring back Jackpotparty.com !!!

 

[Tirilej]

The only great thing so far when it comes to the games that are released now in Sweden is that I got the autospin button back for VWS games. I can play Rhino again
I hate the new version of Rhino since my eyes are hurting when playing it, but with autospin I don't need to look

 

[Jono777]

They changed the math model for ruby slippers too

didn't play it as much as the other two but alas a shame to hear that also.

Very fair games and enjoyable in flash / pre maths change.

One of my favourite terms sprang to mind at the time "Why fix something which is not broken?"

Appreciate they had to upgrade due to flash becoming extinct but nothing wrong with the original mechanics which were around for years. Could have done a much better job with the programming, especially given the huge popularity of these titles.

Another prime example of GREED!

 

[chiya]

Bring back Jackpotparty.com !!!

Good ol' memories. I really liked that site and it's so different from any others we have even right now with the ability we had to chat with other players and all that. The site-wide progressives too although I never managed to trigger them

 

[Jono777]

Flash Rhino plus 3 x weekly 100% reloads @ Dr Vegas = Good times

HTML5 Rhino plus bonus banned pretty much everywhere = Time to take up knitting

 

[JGslots]

Good ol' memories. I really liked that site and it's so different from any others we have even right now with the ability we had to chat with other players and all that. The site-wide progressives too although I never managed to trigger them

Gilda Plz omg Lux 1bubble. MEGA big

 

[lotusch]

WMS is dying man.
Voted them as best slots provider 3 years ago and look at them now.
Completely destroying themselves with utter rubbish remakes like Dragons Inferno not to mention their move to a new HTML platform which killed their slots like Raging Rhino and Montezuma for example.
Montezuma already stops the multiplier wheel and I know before the reels have spun whether I got a retrigger or not, aweful!!!

Hardly play them anymore.

Sad as they used to be one of my fave slots.

 

[lotusch]

Bring back Jackpotparty.com !!!

Meh, probably very popular in the UK but I never liked that place.
Hardly managed any WD's as their WMS slots had lower RTP settings due to the linked jackpots which I have never ever won.
I always thought of it to be a bit of a shady casino.
Sure they did pay out and had loads of fans but the low RTP settings put me off.

 

[chiya]

Meh, probably very popular in the UK but I never liked that place.
Hardly managed any WD's as their WMS slots had lower RTP settings due to the linked jackpots which I have never ever won.
I always thought of it to be a bit of a shady casino.
Sure they did pay out and had loads of fans but the low RTP settings put me off.

They offered bonuses fairly often and, while I can't remember the specifics, I think the bonuses were really good. Either they had no wagering or at least very low wagering. Plus a wide variety of WMS games. You know if you now go to any casino you probably can find Rhino and Monte right? Well WMS has so many more games in their repertoire but you can't find these games almost anywhere else. Some of them are found on Skill On Net sites, but not all even then. There's more to WMS than just Rhino/Monte but people don't even know those games exist because no one has them.

 

[Borgie]

They offered bonuses fairly often and, while I can't remember the specifics, I think the bonuses were really good. Either they had no wagering or at least very low wagering. Plus a wide variety of WMS games. You know if you now go to any casino you probably can find Rhino and Monte right? Well WMS has so many more games in their repertoire but you can't find these games almost anywhere else. Some of them are found on Skill On Net sites, but not all even then. There's more to WMS than just Rhino/Monte but people don't even know those games exist because no one has them.

I used to get a 100 per cent bonus every friday 10x wager

 

[chiya]

I used to get a 100 per cent bonus every friday 10x wager

Yeah that's it! My memory is bad but that does sound right. 10x wagering is really low especially in today's day and age where 25x d+b seems to be the norm. Even if the games had slightly less RTP I found the bonuses fairly generous.

 

[dunover]

Yes, those 10xWR bonuses, I had a few of them there. Great casino back in the day.

 

[Guntis]

I remember a year ago I used to deposit £30-50 in a casino and could play Montezuma slot for all the evening.

I normally used progressive betting: 20 spins at £0.3, 20 at £0.6, 20 at £0.9 and so on until I hit the bonus. For most of the time, I used to get the bonus at £0.9.

After the bonus, i used to start the same strategy beginning at £0.3 or £0.6 (depending on my account balance).

Based on my experience, the game often paid out very nice bonuses!

Now, one year later it happens that I don't get even a single bonus game from a £500 deposit playing only at £0.6-2.5

 

[JGslots]

They had my favourite slot, life of luxury. Was very popular, don’t understand why they shelved it. Each Friday they sent a £500 bonus with 10x wagering, sometimes twice a week. I was in profit the whole time there, the best casino ever in my opinion.

Rob

 

[Siohmy]

I especially hate some of the newer-ish games from WMS where there's like a "sidebar" on the right with the spin button. Every time you spin, the bar hides. Then after a spin, it slowly comes back. Not only the games do not have autospins but spinning the games is SO GODDAMNED SLOW that I'll die of old age before I get a bonus in them.

Oh god I forgot to mention that. The creeping in sidebar every 5 spins or so (or more). What is that all about!!

On top of that having a number of their newer releases coming out at 94% for low rollers!?

Like I said, it’s like they are actively trying to go bust.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah that's it! My memory is bad but that does sound right. 10x wagering is really low especially in today's day and age where 25x d+b seems to be the norm. Even if the games had slightly less RTP I found the bonuses fairly generous.

I think casino's want to make more revenue and a longer play time, so they change slots, gameplay and that sort of stuff. WMS is still the king in favor of games offering.

 

[Greigssy]

I see a lot of SG games vans on the road as they maintain a lot of the bookmaker terminals.

They also produce the scratchcards for the U.K lottery so they are probably making a fortune from all this alone without actually bothering to develop decent slots.

 

[imnick1985]

I agree aswell, and for me WMS was always my go to slots (before BTG came on the scene). As stated above the autoplay button removal makes any slot a nightmare to play for very long, but i thught that was done because of new UK Gambling Laws? I never understoood why some games autoplay button were removed and others remained?
Bruce Lee, Monte, Rhino were fantastic games, to be fair i do still give Bruce Lee a bash when i can as in the past i managed about 10 double bonuses on it which was super lucky looking back.

 

[trancemonkey]

I agree aswell, and for me WMS was always my go to slots (before BTG came on the scene). As stated above the autoplay button removal makes any slot a nightmare to play for very long, but i thught that was done because of new UK Gambling Laws? I never understoood why some games autoplay button were removed and others remained?
Bruce Lee, Monte, Rhino were fantastic games, to be fair i do still give Bruce Lee a bash when i can as in the past i managed about 10 double bonuses on it which was super lucky looking back.

Jesus you were super lucky. I had two in my life and I play that a lot...

 

[imnick1985]

Jesus you were super lucky. I had two in my life and I play that a lot...

Yeah i know it was quite an amazing run on Bruce Lee, all happaned in the same year aswell, to be fair though i never managed a double with the higher paying symbols on the left the blue pots was the best, most the time it was the swords and knives . I did once hit it on video slots after getting 5 free spins and winning about 90p and i had three spins on Bruce Lee and in it came. Unbelievable. THats slots though isn't it, never know whats going to happen next

 

[mack341]

I think WMS exists now in name only; producers and software experts make the games what they are, and are the individuals responsible for raging rhino and monte etc.. still working at WMS and able to make the games they want ?

To me SG, for all their huge resources, have not added any value to WMS, the old games are way better than the newer SG/WMS slots, and they don't seem to care.

I know boycotts will never be promoted here, but I wish everyone would not play any SG/WMS title for say a month until they bring back the autoplay function, I think a concerted consumer action is the only thing that will motivate the casinos to instruct SG to sort that out.

Also recently I've noticed the spin button on games like rhino sticks, so you can't action a new spin until the colour changes, probably only adds a half a second to 1 or 2 seconds wait at most, but it's bloody annoying

I don't know if they've sneeked it in as some sort of responsible gambling measure to slow down the average number of spins you can play in an hour. It's a bit like the server is unavailable and its waiting, but I can't believe the server would drop that often as its happening.

 

[DreamRJ]

Jesus you were super lucky. I had two in my life and I play that a lot...

2 for you and about 10 for the other. I also played Bruce Lee a hell of a lot as well. from 0.60spins - 1.20 spins and I have never ever ever had the double trigger. I came close sooo many times. Too many to count. But it is what it is. One day surely I will finally get them and the first 4 symbols will be at least 2 or 4 wilds then the 3 scatters. Well I dream anyway

And then just to add.

Yes I too noticed the new html5 versions of the WMS slots and it was mainly on Ruby Slippers you notice it the most. I am amazed others didnt mention that slot in this thread lol. But the images of the characters now look soo bad and blurry and strange looking. And yes also they made it so we see what we won before the actual feature ends. I always hated slots that did that.

Maybe if there was a WMS rep on this forum, maybe someone could maybe get in touch with them and let them know about this thread and lets see if they will take on board what we have said and bring back Autoplay and fix the html5 versions so we do not see what we won before the feature ends. Also to fix the weird looking images as well of the characters lol

 

[BrianGhattas]

Raging Rhino on PlayOLG plays like scratch cards. So many spins where one reel didn’t cooperate. Really frustrating.

 

[mcgameboy]

I was never a big fan of WMS, even at the best of times.
I do remember many a thread in my early CM days where many people here would rave about WMS slots.
But for some reason, I just could not share that enthusiasm.
Games like Bruce Lee, Montezuma, Ruby Slippers just seemed to leave me with that buyers remorse feeling.

Rhino was probably the only game by WMS that I would play with any regularity.
And for a while, it was undoubtedly my favourite slot....by any provider.

Then the HTML5 "makeover" happened....now I hardly ever play Rhino.
And that is despite doing fairly well on it since I ended my 10 month break from playing it.

For the most part, I'm not one to buy into the tinfoiling theories, but if there is one game where I am convinced that changes were made to the game for the worst, then Rhino is that game.

That said, I don't think the RTP has been altered at all. Just the variance. I now firmly believe it has gone from being HV to VHV.

I know that many here (quite rightly so and I too am one of them) believe that the likes of NextGen, Netent and MG have lost their way.
The thing is, I still find myself playing MG 243 ways quite regularly. And I still occasionally play some of the Netent slots, like Wild Turkey and the turd.
But WMS? I'll barely average one session of Rhino per month.
And as for NextGen (whom I always rated higher than WMS), the fact that they are now linked to SG has only served to make me avoid them like a barge pole. I cannot remember for the life of me the last time I even tried 300 Shields or Gorilla Go Wild.

 

[mack341]

I was never a big fan of WMS, even at the best of times.
I do remember many a thread in my early CM days where many people here would rave about WMS slots.
But for some reason, I just could not share that enthusiasm.
Games like Bruce Lee, Montezuma, Ruby Slippers just seemed to leave me with that buyers remorse feeling.

Rhino was probably the only game by WMS that I would play with any regularity.
And for a while, it was undoubtedly my favourite slot....by any provider.

Then the HTML5 "makeover" happened....now I hardly ever play Rhino.
And that is despite doing fairly well on it since I ended my 10 month break from playing it.

For the most part, I'm not one to buy into the tinfoiling theories, but if there is one game where I am convinced that changes were made to the game for the worst, then Rhino is that game.

That said, I don't think the RTP has been altered at all. Just the variance. I now firmly believe it has gone from being HV to VHV.

I know that many here (quite rightly so and I too am one of them) believe that the likes of NextGen, Netent and MG have lost their way.
The thing is, I still find myself playing MG 243 ways quite regularly. And I still occasionally play some of the Netent slots, like Wild Turkey and the turd.
But WMS? I'll barely average one session of Rhino per month.
And as for NextGen (whom I always rated higher than WMS), the fact that they are now linked to SG has only served to make me avoid them like a barge pole. I cannot remember for the life of me the last time I even tried 300 Shields or Gorilla Go Wild.

I have a fond spot for gorilla go wild, having once got a retrigger on the 2nd bonus with sticky wilds, 20 spins paid about £220 at 30p stake.

not sure about rhino being changed, played it a lot recently, one thing that seems to happen a lot now is dry spells of 500+ spins with no bonus, this used to happen rarely before. I wonder if they've distributed the diamonds differently.

something dazza mentioned in one of his rhino vids yonks ago was if the 9's and 10's go missing you're going to struggle and he was right as that happened the other day, took a while for it to dawn on me..but then 'there's been no 10 wins for ages!'

my other, tin foil, theory is less people play it now so it can't or won't pay out till it's taken enough

 

[imnick1985]

2 for you and about 10 for the other. I also played Bruce Lee a hell of a lot as well. from 0.60spins - 1.20 spins and I have never ever ever had the double trigger. I came close sooo many times. Too many to count. But it is what it is. One day surely I will finally get them and the first 4 symbols will be at least 2 or 4 wilds then the 3 scatters. Well I dream anyway

And then just to add.

Yes I too noticed the new html5 versions of the WMS slots and it was mainly on Ruby Slippers you notice it the most. I am amazed others didnt mention that slot in this thread lol. But the images of the characters now look soo bad and blurry and strange looking. And yes also they made it so we see what we won before the actual feature ends. I always hated slots that did that.

Maybe if there was a WMS rep on this forum, maybe someone could maybe get in touch with them and let them know about this thread and lets see if they will take on board what we have said and bring back Autoplay and fix the html5 versions so we do not see what we won before the feature ends. Also to fix the weird looking images as well of the characters lol

It was obviously lucky but at the same time weirdly it was also quite unlucky as i usually played this game on stakes of 0.60/0.90 or 1.20 spins and believe it or not all except one of the double triggers hit when was on a 30p stake even though i probably only spun at that stake about 20% of the time at the most. The one that hit on 60p was on a bonus wagering which most of the 1000x that it paid got wittled away during wagering!