What happened?

Thanks for your replies. The big question is: what can we do against that? Closing the account of course. But I still love slots..
So there needs to be a way to show the industry that it’s simply ‚enough’ now...

Unfortunately I think the only solution is not to play. I've pretty much given up playing now, maybe once a month for a small deposit, if that. I said a few months ago that the combo of streamers peddling unrealistic expectations along with the resultant increase in HV/UHV slots would be extremely damaging, perhaps irreparably so as more and more average Joe's get, at first frustrated, then simply annoyed with high levels of zero play. Once you lose players it is extremely difficult to entice them back and I cannot think the influx of new players, who themselves will quickly grow tired of the lack of play, will make up for this.

For those who say that these slots are released because players want them. Sorry, horses**t. Will not deny that they are likely getting a lot of play because of the carrot dangling monster hits of some YouTube channels but if you honestly are telling me that most players, over the long term, want these sort of slots I struggle to believe you. It is the reason why there are dozens of new slots released each month. Hardly any will get played once people have cottoned on that they often are yet another HV/UHV effort.

Interestingly Bonanza, despite its rock hard to get bonus, is still popular. It has a very respectable 76% or thereabouts in the base game. Whether you find the slot boring or not is another thing but your balance does often last a while and it is capable of sticking in the odd few hundred x win in the base game.

Key thing is, despite what some think, most play slots for fun. In the same way you invariably pay for any sort of entertainment. Yes, you hope to win big once in a while but mostly accept losses and modest wins because it has been fun. Now it's just 2000x this and 5000x that and "this slot is rubbish because it never pays out 30,000x" as if that should be some sort of marker.
 
It is nteresting to see how low the contributions are to the winners screenshots thread for July so far even I was surprised when I had to start the thread some 19 hours into July I was searching thinking someone must have started one.

It would be interesting to see if the pages in the monthly winners threads have gone down considerably recently or if the contributions are roughly the same.
 
Yes that’s what I also did now. Stop gambling for a while.
If nothing changes I won’t come back.
I know they don’t care about me. But if more and more players quit their longyears accounts maybe situation will change. ..
 
I certainly feel the variance on some of the games I play has changed recently. I am convinced the providers and casinos want it this way.

From a business point of view it makes perfect sense. The player deposits and loses rapidly, repeats the process over and over. Eventually hits an amount they are happy to withdraw and starts all over again.

Faster cash turnaround, Minimal transactions, speeds up the profit making exercise. Casinos don’t want players depositing £50 and taking a week to lose it recycling it through low variance games.

That’s the reason everything is going the way it is. The policy is get the money of us as quick as possible with the minimum amount of fuss.

By the way I am another who is just about fed up with it. Normally at this time on a Saturday evening I would be spinning away like a good ‘un but it’s wearing a bit thin tbh.
 
I certainly feel the variance on some of the games I play has changed recently. I am convinced the providers and casinos want it this way.

From a business point of view it makes perfect sense.
from a business point of view, it makes little sense and is counter-productive; frustrated players means players jumping ship
youd WANT them staying in their happy little bubble of predictability* as you collect your bit of rtp off the top

not that slots are predictable, meaning, knowing what to expect
 
from a business point of view, it makes little sense and is counter-productive; frustrated players means players jumping ship
youd WANT them staying in their happy little bubble of predictability* as you collect your bit of rtp off the top

not that slots are predictable, meaning, knowing what to expect
They still do collect their 4% off the top. High or low variance the margin is still the same. Granted you want to keep players but there is no guarantee they will stay loyal anyway because they are just as likely to have a bad experience at one casino as another.

Therefore it’s more efficient to ween players onto HV it speeds up the cash flow.
 
They still do collect their 4% off the top. High or low variance the margin is still the same. Granted you want to keep players but there is no guarantee they will stay loyal anyway because they are just as likely to have a bad experience at one casino as another.

Therefore it’s more efficient to ween players onto HV it speeds up the cash flow.
oh, that i agree on; slots have changed - not that theyve tweaked exisiting slots, rather, the trend has changed - selling very HV slots :)
 
It's the reason I'm taking a break from slots. I can't convey vehemently enough just how sick of getting 0 play time 90% of the time I was.

When you're staking 100th of your bankroll and you repeatedly don't see a bonus, it wears you down. It wears you down even more when you have spun 150-200x your stake only to then get a bonus and it pay 20x.

The issue is, it seems if you want the potential for a decent return, you have to play these games. So it's a double edged sword.
 
It's the reason I'm taking a break from slots. I can't convey vehemently enough just how sick of getting 0 play time 90% of the time I was.

When you're staking 100th of your bankroll and you repeatedly don't see a bonus, it wears you down. It wears you down even more when you have spun 150-200x your stake only to then get a bonus and it pay 20x.

The issue is, it seems if you want the potential for a decent return, you have to play these games. So it's a double edged sword.
well, thats kinda it
peeps expect the 1000x where 100x was fantastic
the trend is to chase huge, unrealistic potential, rather than enjoy older games and a good, solid, climb v the bank blast
 
well, thats kinda it
peeps expect the 1000x where 100x was fantastic
the trend is to chase huge, unrealistic potential, rather than enjoy older games and a good, solid, climb v the bank blast

In a way, the incessant advertising of these insane hits via such media as streams has helped fuel this. Which is exactly what the casinos wanted and is why affiliates can make a fortune.
 
That’s true. But also the affiliate winnings are most of the time just funny. Look at rohstein. Winning 5000eur and celebrates that as hell.
BUT he spins with 50eur.
So 5000eur is just „nothing“ compared with the spins (and money) he did before to see that feature...
 
well, thats kinda it
peeps expect the 1000x where 100x was fantastic
the trend is to chase huge, unrealistic potential, rather than enjoy older games and a good, solid, climb v the bank blast

I was thinking this playing Immortal Romance the other day - At that point I never really thought of 'X' when working out if i was happy with the win; looking back at some of the wins then, they weren't that impressive X wise but i think they difference was that they seemed to, well more often, come grouped together.

Don't know if there's a mixture of the move to HV and players sometimes becoming hardened to solid 200x wins: we want 500x as a minimum (i'm sometimes guilty of that) Could argue that it's one in the same thing - the move towards more HV games means that when we wait ages for it, we 'need' it to give a belter.

Some of the more recent games that have given me some old school playability have been from Pragmatic - but even then i'm guilty myself of going '75x? - pish'
 
Variance only changes if players want it. There are many many maths profiles out there... but if players trend towards one, you will see many more like that. The trend will almost certainly change at some point...
Sorry but im quite sure that Players do not want that. More HV could be a Trend players want to have. But more HV Games with lower RTP and less freegames is just the greedy industry...
 
I may be in a minority, being formerly happy to wibble away the hours on medium variance slots that have good potential for 100-300x on a fairly regular basis

However, I've noticed a decrease in play time and much faster ripping even on the old favourites. My stakes haven't changed... Always 60-80p.. so what has?

And don't get me started on the "medium potential , gobbles money like high variance" of the more modern games..
 
I was thinking this playing Immortal Romance the other day - At that point I never really thought of 'X' when working out if i was happy with the win; looking back at some of the wins then, they weren't that impressive X wise but i think they difference was that they seemed to, well more often, come grouped together.

Don't know if there's a mixture of the move to HV and players sometimes becoming hardened to solid 200x wins: we want 500x as a minimum (i'm sometimes guilty of that) Could argue that it's one in the same thing - the move towards more HV games means that when we wait ages for it, we 'need' it to give a belter.

Some of the more recent games that have given me some old school playability have been from Pragmatic - but even then i'm guilty myself of going '75x? - pish'
Yep, the jaded among us won't even acknowledge the 50 and 100xs anymore, the multitude of HV shenanigans over the years skews expectations to the point of 'meh'

The curse of having had those exceptional hits of yesteryear I'm afraid. Whereas I might have withdrawn a £20 or £40 profit prior, I now scoff at the notion. This month alone I've let £200+ slip easily. Yes I'm a greedy degenerate and yes I blame Bonanza (mainly)
 
A lot of it is in the psychology with these new games. Providers know what they're doing. Essentially you either bust fast or, if you do get a hit, you play it back because you believe there's even more left in the tank (knowing mega hits are possible). Or you're that frustrated with a general lack of play time, you keep spinning to carry on the session.

Hence the £40-£50 profit people will have withdrawn yesteryear, gets put back in these days, as someone mentioned above.

I myself often worked a tenner up to 100-150 and then switched to another HV game, only to rip it all.
 
Yep, the jaded among us won't even acknowledge the 50 and 100xs anymore, the multitude of HV shenanigans over the years skews expectations to the point of 'meh'

The curse of having had those exceptional hits of yesteryear I'm afraid. Whereas I might have withdrawn a £20 or £40 profit prior, I now scoff at the notion. This month alone I've let £200+ slip easily. Yes I'm a greedy degenerate and yes I blame Bonanza (mainly)
Same past three days I’ve not withdrawn around £250 by spunking it back in being purely greedy so today I ran with my £200 cos it’s better than kicking myself for not withdrawing
 
A lot of it is in the psychology with these new games. Providers know what they're doing. Essentially you either bust fast or, if you do get a hit, you play it back because you believe there's even more left in the tank (knowing mega hits are possible). Or you're that frustrated with a general lack of play time, you keep spinning to carry on the session.

Hence the £40-£50 profit people will have withdrawn yesteryear, gets put back in these days, as someone mentioned above.

I myself often worked a tenner up to 100-150 and then switched to another HV game, only to rip it all.
Yep!!!!!
 
Sorry but im quite sure that Players do not want that. More HV could be a Trend players want to have. But more HV Games with lower RTP and less freegames is just the greedy industry...

I'm not talking about players trending towards a lower RTP... just variance trends
 
It's the reason I'm taking a break from slots. I can't convey vehemently enough just how sick of getting 0 play time 90% of the time I was.

When you're staking 100th of your bankroll and you repeatedly don't see a bonus, it wears you down. It wears you down even more when you have spun 150-200x your stake only to then get a bonus and it pay 20x.

The issue is, it seems if you want the potential for a decent return, you have to play these games. So it's a double edged sword.

Just out of interest, what do you think a bonus should pay if you have staked 200x to get there?

(Bearing in mind that just because you have staked 200x doesn't mean you have lost 200x)
 
well, thats kinda it
peeps expect the 1000x where 100x was fantastic
the trend is to chase huge, unrealistic potential, rather than enjoy older games and a good, solid, climb v the bank blast

And you can't really have both... Bonanza is probably the closest to both but you have to wait 500 spins to get a feature on average.
 
Just out of interest, what do you think a bonus should pay if you have staked 200x to get there?

(Bearing in mind that just because you have staked 200x doesn't mean you have lost 200x)

I actually meant losing 200x to trigger the bonus. Which was regularly happening to me.

Sessions where I lost £20 on 10p novo spins or £40 on 20p BoD spins before seeing the bonus were plentiful. Rifled through £100 on 40p Primal spins a couple of times, aswell as going well over 1000 spins on that temple megaway game without seeing a bonus once. That is NOT fun.

I'd say DHV is pretty much the perfect slot game for potential vs playability.
 
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