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US political crisis

cncas2123 said:
No I believe in science and fact , fact Is uk is coming down because of restrictions and vaccination, Europe is going up because of lack of vaccine and the USA went up throughout Trumps last months and only started declining 4-6 weeks after Biden came to power.
Stats are there to see and I don’t been MSN to help me interpret the stats, whereas you seem to continually post conspiracy after conspiracy with absolutely no fact to back it up.
I refer you to the Hunter Biden posts, how come there’s no court actions and also was Hunter elected President? If he has committed a crime he should be punished but what has it to do with his father? What about the many cases against Trump? What about the Trump charity and it’s dodgy dealings? Why not spend some time focusing on those?
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Even many of Trumps critics admit that he did well with his vaccine policies leading up to the election and concluding that he would not have continued to do well is pure speculation.
I have consistently provided links to back up things that I have posted over the past year. It is up to you what you want to make of them. If you wish to conclude that it is simply conspiracy then you are very welcome to think that. I have zero wish to convince you in particular.

In relation to the Hunter Biden/Joe Biden crimes I did post links the first time round but I refused to post links to the perverted stuff when Kroffe requested me too because,well, its perverted and they are all out there if you chose to look for them.
His father is aware of those vids and pictures. His father is implicated in profiting from Hunters dealings with China.
Joe bragged about getting the prosecutor who was investigating Hunters dodgy dealings fired.
Many of the posters in this thread have highlighted Trumps accusations so why should I focus on them too? I am not his apologist as I have said. Nor was I his supporter.
There is a middle ground
 
geordiecolin said:
Even many of Trumps critics admit that he did well with his vaccine policies leading up to the election and concluding that he would not have continued to do well is pure speculation.
I have consistently provided links to back up things that I have posted over the past year. It is up to you what you want to make of them. If you wish to conclude that it is simply conspiracy then you are very welcome to think that. I have zero wish to convince you in particular.

In relation to the Hunter Biden/Joe Biden crimes I did post links the first time round but I refused to post links to the perverted stuff when Kroffe requested me too because,well, its perverted and they are all out there if you chose to look for them.
His father is aware of those vids and pictures. His father is implicated in profiting from Hunters dealings with China.
Joe bragged about getting the prosecutor who was investigating Hunters dodgy dealings fired.
Many of the posters in this thread have highlighted Trumps accusations so why should I focus on them too? I am not his apologist as I have said. Nor was I his supporter.
There is a middle ground
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Huh, i dont recall asking you to post links to perverted stuff.
Could you point me towards that comment?
 
Kroffe said:
Huh, i dont recall asking you to post links to perverted stuff.
Could you point me towards that comment?
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Your expecting me to search through for that? :eek: You did ask me to link to those pics and vids but you then qualified it by saying that you did not wish to view the more graphic stuff. It is in the other thread that preceded this one
 
geordiecolin said:
Your expecting me to search through for that? :eek: You did ask me to link to those pics and vids but you then qualified it by saying that you did not wish to view the more graphic stuff
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Qualified?
So you mistakenly thought i wanted to watch the same stuff you had been watching?
 
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geordiecolin said:
North Korea and US politics - Page 497 - Casinomeister - Forum
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I kind of explained the mistake on the very same page.
Thats why i thought it was weird how you tried now to make it out like i wanted to see perverted stuff in a comment today, when i had already explained way back then that i do not.

I honestly dont have the stomach for that kind of stuff, i dont know how you do it.


For some reason i cant quote my comment:
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Kroffe said:
I kind of explained the mistake on the very same page.
Thats why i thought it was weird how you tried now to make it out like i wanted to see perverted stuff in a comment today, when i had already explained way back then that i do not.

I honestly dont have the stomach for that kind of stuff, i dont know how you do it.


For some reason i cant quote my comment:
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That is what I stated above.
And just to make it crystal clear. I do not think that you are a perv and at no time did I insinuate that you where
 
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geordiecolin said:
That is what I stated above.
And just to make it crystal clear. I do not think that you are a perv and at no time did I insinuate that you where
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My bad, i must have misunderstood.
I thought i was being called a pedo (again) and wanted to make things clear for anyone reading, since i didnt really say anything about it in the vs thread.

My perversions lies solely with food videos & nature documentaries.
And butts.
 
Kroffe said:
My bad, i must have misunderstood.
I thought i was being called a pedo (again) and wanted to make things clear for anyone reading, since i didnt really say anything about it in the vs thread.

My perversions lies solely with food videos & nature documentaries.
And butts.
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I truly apologize if you or anyone else thought that I was making such accusations. It was a comment in context with the conversation. Nothing more. :(

My initial post yesterday was simply to revive the thread for to see what folk thought about Biden's time in office so far as it has been very quiet in the thread since the election.
I think it is time for me to go back to posting in the racing thread and keep my nose clean
 
Kroffe said:
@geordiecolin
As a peace offering, i would like to offer you some Sonic the hedgehog, limited edition curry.

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Whoever thought that making it blue was a good idea is a special person.
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That must have all the E numbers in it

Probably be running like him after eating it

To the toilet
 
geordiecolin said:
The media attacked and belittled Trump and supported Hillary before the election but despite that Trump still won that election. Hillary and the machine behind her has been salty about it ever since and looked for an excuse for losing which is where the Russia collusion came in. It is hardly surprising that Trump took to Twitter to get his messages across because the vast majority of the media,even around the World,distorted his message or ignored them completely if it painted Trump in a good light.
Now we have Biden who is just a puppet and Kameltoe who failed to get one nomination during the run off despite having Hillary and all of her backers supporting her.
It is not hard to see why Kameltoe is now Vice Pres or who is really running the show.

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do you think you can address her by her name.
 
Kroffe said:
My bad, i must have misunderstood.
I thought i was being called a pedo (again) and wanted to make things clear for anyone reading, since i didnt really say anything about it in the vs thread.

My perversions lies solely with food videos & nature documentaries.
And butts.
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Food videos and nature documentaries what happend to your love of all things netent?? Lol
 
Kroffe said:
Isnt Fox the biggest, or atleast in the top 3 of mainstream media in USA?
Of course they can still talk about biased media, but stones and glass houses and all that.
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What would you say was the makeup of the public, about 40% conservative, 60% liberal? but the media is about 90% liberal, it's become the over represented viewpoint, there was a better balance before with a larger variety of voices and opinions allowed air time and print space.

If 90% of the media unfairly attack a president, I think there is a greater chance the remaining 10% will fawn over him to try to make up for it. Both positions are not ideal for the citizen, he's getting distorted news either way.
 
mack341 said:
What would you say was the makeup of the public, about 40% conservative, 60% liberal? but the media is about 90% liberal, it's become the over represented viewpoint, there was a better balance before with a larger variety of voices and opinions allowed air time and print space.

If 90% of the media unfairly attack a president, I think there is a greater chance the remaining 10% will fawn over him to try to make up for it. Both positions are not ideal for the citizen, he's getting distorted news either way.
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Im just saying that Fox news complaining about bias news does not sound very genuine when they are doing exactly the same thing themselves.
Its about as genuine as Tucker is a "man of the people" as hes pretending. =)
 
Kroffe said:
Im just saying that Fox news complaining about bias news does not sound very genuine when they are doing exactly the same thing themselves.
Its about as genuine as Tucker is a "man of the people" as hes pretending. =)
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I know what you're saying, but maybe some of the public don't realise, it's a bit too much of an elephant in the room for Fox to ignore even if they are partisan too.

If Tucker took up a job flippin' burgers in the daytime, and then did the tv show at night as well would it make him more credible, he can't change his upbringing/privilege...though his Dad was an orphan [born with rickets too] and not given any easy success on a plate from my reading. He's not a bush.

I was disappointed after the election at Tucker as he seemed to concede, and then turn his guns on sidney powell, I haven't watched his show for sometime, but I find it very hard to believe he pretends to hold his opinions just for an audience. A lot of which is common sense, standard conservative thinking.
 
Seems pretty genuine to me. "Race up the stairs", "Kinda awful actually", "certain amount of guilt".
(could not find a CNN video on YT to compare it to)

 
mack341 said:
I know what you're saying, but maybe some of the public don't realise, it's a bit too much of an elephant in the room for Fox to ignore even if they are partisan too.

If Tucker took up a job flippin' burgers in the daytime and then did the tv show at night as well, would it make him more credible, he can't change his upbringing/privilege...though his Dad was an orphan and not given any easy success on a plate from my reading. He's not a bush.

I was disappointed after the election at Tucker as he seemed to concede, and then turn his guns on sidney powell, I haven't watched his show for sometime, but I find it very hard to believe he pretends to hold his opinions just for an audience. A lot of which is common sense, standard conservative thinking.
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Its not about his upbringing, its about what he himself has said.
I mean he has litterally said himself hes anything but "part of the people", and even tho i dont trust much of anything he says, that part sounded more genuine than anything else hes said.
But his whole spiel is hammering on about the "elites" and "msm", even tho hes an elite, working on a mainstream media news show.

I dont care if anyone likes him, but trying to make it out like hes any less false than any other person in media is fooling yourself.
 
slotplayer said:
Seems pretty genuine to me. "Race up the stairs", "Kinda awful actually", "certain amount of guilt".
(could not find a CNN video on YT to compare it to)

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Well, difference is if you miss a step on the stairs and nobody saw it you'll feel embarassed for just a sec and go on about your day :D

I'm ready for President Kamala tho.
 
Kroffe said:
Its not about his upbringing, its about what he himself has said.
I mean he has litterally said himself hes anything but "part of the people", and even tho i dont trust much of anything he says, that part sounded more genuine than anything else hes said.
But his whole spiel is hammering on about the "elites" and "msm", even tho hes an elite, working on a mainstream media news show.

I dont care if anyone likes him, but trying to make it out like hes any less false than any other person in media is fooling yourself.
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But the logical extension of that means no one regularly on tv can be an honest critic of those in power, as they themselves are also part of the same elite. However you could have an elite that is fractured and doesn't all agree the same on everything, just like the rest of us.

You do have to wonder with any type of personality/public figure how genuine they are in their beliefs I guess, he's definitely popular with conservatives so if he is fooling people he is very good at it.
 
sufferinsilence said:
Well, difference is if you miss a step on the stairs and nobody saw it you'll feel embarassed for just a sec and go on about your day :D

I'm ready for President Kamala tho.
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I guess Biden was trying to look more energetic.

I think Kamala might have the same likability issue Hillary had.
 
mack341 said:
But the logical extension of that means no one regularly on tv can be an honest critic of those in power, as they themselves are also part of the same elite. However you could have an elite that is fractured and doesn't all agree the same on everything, just like the rest of us.

You do have to wonder with any type of personality/public figure how genuine they are in their beliefs I guess, he's definitely popular with conservatives so if he is fooling people he is very good at it.
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His job is to keep conservatives angry at liberals, same as liberal news station do the same thing but in the opposite direction.
And yes, the fact that hes popular is testament to how good he is at it.

I mean, like 80% of his shows are just angry rants at things.
Its been even more low brow lately because i guess he has not found enough real things to talk about.
So bring on fake pr marriage story etc etc.

I mean, these people complaning about how biased news is were saying that bidens dog looked dirty, like a junkyard dog, just the other week.
Its almost like he lets it ouside or something.
Crazy liberals.
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Tucker is actually doing a lot of content for Fox streaming, so some of his show were not up to the usual standard for a while there.
 
So that quote was wrong.
But saying "The call was nothing like it was originally characterized" is a bit rich, even for sky news.

I dont know how anyone can read the quotes below (from the call:
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Just an hour of lies and thinly veiled threats about how bad this will be for Raffensperger if he does not "find" the votes.



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PRESIDENT TRUMP
– all I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state, and flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, you know, there’s just – it’s a testament that they can admit to a mistake – or whatever you want to call it – if it was a mistake. I don’t know."

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PRESIDENT TRUMP
I don’t know. Look Brad, I got to get – I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step which is in the process of right now, you know, and I watched you this morning, and you said, well, there was no criminality. But, I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that."

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PRESIDENT TRUMP
So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes; give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already, or we could keep it going, but that’s not fair to the voters of Georgia because they’re going to see what happened and – they’re going to see what happened."

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PRESIDENT TRUMP
So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this, and it’s going to be very costly in many ways and I think you have to say that you’re going to reexamine it and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that don’t want to find answers."


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PRESIDENT TRUMP
Well, you have to. Well, under law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results, OK? You’re not allowed to do that and that’s what you’ve done. This is a faulty election result and, honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president. You know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam and because of what you’ve done to the president a lot of people aren’t going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president, OK. They hate him and they’re going to vote, and you would be respected, really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election."
 
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slotplayer said:
No doubt a desperate call. I go back and forth on the election fraud, sometimes I think it was legit then other times I'm skeptical.
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I understand he was desperate at the time he made the call, but i still think lines were crossed, depsite him never outright saying "go find me x amount of votes"
All the "They hate what you did to me" and "i think its dangerous for you to say that" "going to be very costly in many ways" etc etc makes it sound like its someone from the mob calling, not the President of Usa.
In my opinion, his intention with the call was to push Raffenspurger to 'find' the votes for him.

I dont think the election was 100% clean (most elections probably are not), but i dont think there was fraud on a scale that would have tipped the outcome in Trumps favor.
 
Kroffe said:
I understand he was desperate at the time he made the call, but i still think lines were crossed, depsite him never outright saying "go find me x amount of votes"
All the "They hate what you did to me" and "i think its dangerous for you to say that" "going to be very costly in many ways" etc etc makes it sound like its someone from the mob calling, not the President of Usa.
In my opinion, his intention with the call was to push Raffenspurger to 'find' the votes for him.

I dont think the election was 100% clean (most elections probably are not), but i dont think there was fraud on a scale that would have tipped the outcome in Trumps favor.
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Easily to get 12k fraud ballots with the amount of mail-in ballots in that election cycle mailed out. 10 people fill out 1200 ballots each over x amount of time. I didn't know Georgia had no-excuse absentee voting. My state doesn't have it.

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I started to listen to the first few minutes of the call. Its an hour so too long for me but you should check it out and hear the beginning if you haven't already.
 
slotplayer said:
Easily to get 12k fraud ballots with the amount of mail-in ballots in that election cycle mailed out. 10 people fill out 1200 ballots each over x amount of time. I didn't know Georgia had no-excuse absentee voting. My state doesn't have it.

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I started to listen to the first few minutes of the call. Its an hour so too long for me but you should check it out and hear the beginning if you haven't already.
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The reason in think the way i do about the call is because i have listened to it.
 
dreamguardian1 said:
DO not get me started on this, im playing catch up on older posts. But my heart hurt so much when this happened, granted it was not surprising knowing the base of that
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Hey welcome. As a European it is good to hear an American's thoughts in this thread. You would be one of the few so far :thumbsup:
 
geordiecolin said:
Hey welcome. As a European it is good to hear an American's thoughts in this thread. You would be one of the few so far :thumbsup:
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As a general rule i try to avoid political discussions because no matter which side im on i get heat from one side or the other. There was SOME things i agreed with in Trump's policies (BUT NOT MANY). In fact i can only count 1....That said the riot and death and mayhem and the videos my heart hurt sooo bad. I honestly dont care If the left is wrong on something i will call it out, if the right is wrong on something I will call that out too. But this was a total nightmare IMO
 
dreamguardian1 said:
As a general rule i try to avoid political discussions because no matter which side im on i get heat from one side or the other. There was SOME things i agreed with in Trump's policies (BUT NOT MANY). In fact i can only count 1....That said the riot and death and mayhem and the videos my heart hurt sooo bad. I honestly dont care If the left is wrong on something i will call it out, if the right is wrong on something I will call that out too. But this was a total nightmare IMO
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I am sure that your thoughts as will be welcomed here even if it does get heated. I had hoped that by now many more American's would be sharing their views in this thread
 
geordiecolin said:
I am sure that your thoughts as will be welcomed here even if it does get heated. I had hoped that by now many more American's would be sharing their views in this thread
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I would hope soo too as i welcome RESPECTFUL debate of ideals...IMO its ok to disagree as long as its done respectfully. We as human beings cannot be politically correct 100% of the time BUT we can be respectful...
 
slotplayer said:
Really, no preconceptions?
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Of course i have preconceptions regarding Trump, thats why i listened to the whole thing before making up my mind about it.
Imo you should too, instead of just giving it a few minutes and deciding on what to think.
But like Suffer said, with that call, it wouldnt matter if the person making it was David Attenborough, my thoughts about it would be the same.

It would have been nicer listening to it i guess if David was the one talking, he does have pleasent voice&accent.
 
dreamguardian1 said:
I would hope soo too as i welcome RESPECTFUL debate of ideals...IMO its ok to disagree as long as its done respectfully. We as human beings cannot be politically correct 100% of the time BUT we can be respectful...
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I see one slight problem with this. You must still be on page 1 :(
 

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