US members should view this.

[P.V.]

Obviously these are real camps as I just watched Jessie Ventura's show on TV and the camp he visited was in Texas. Did a YouTube search and this one came up.

This is some strange stuff!

 

[The Dude]

Texas über Alles!

 

[anniemac]

How old was this You Tube film suppose to be? Every vehicle in the film was 20 yrs old or more?

I've watched several of these Jesse Ventura shows and wasn't too impressed. Kinda like watching the Blair Witch Project.

That being said, there probably is a camp here in Texas. We are having a massive problem on our border with Mexico which has now spilled over to murders occuring on the Texas side. Our border towns, Laredo etc., are not safe now. Think about the ranchers that own land on the Rio Grande and take the chance of being shot each time they go out to check the livestock.

Nope, sorry, not feeling bad about a place to put undesirable folks.

 

[Mavin1]

Here's a bit more on the subject of the camps.

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FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders




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There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

Now let's review the justification for any actions taken...

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...

This site gives the locations of all known Fema camps. For some, we can't help but question, if these camps are for illegals as stated in the Rex 84 program, then why are the illegals taking control of our parks, towns and cities that are closet to the border? If they were being rounded up as this plan states they would be, then why aren't they gone?

When I see this being done and our borders taken back, then I will believe the camps are for this purpose only.

History always repeats itself, so let us not forget all those who perished in the Nazi Camps, Jews, Christians, Gypsies and probably anyone that dissagreed with Hitler and the Nazi party.

 

[Mavin1]

Here is the definition of Rex 84 by Wikipedia

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Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, is a contingency plan developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who were deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declared a "State of Domestic National Emergency". The plan stated that events that might cause such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America[1][2][3][4][5][6]. To combat what the government perceived as "subversive activities", the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.[7]

Rex 84 was written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who was both the NSC White House Aide and NSC liaison to FEMA, and John Brinkerhoff, the deputy director of "national preparedness" programs for FEMA. They patterned the plan on a 1970 report written by FEMA chief Louis Giuffrida, at the Army War College, which proposed the detention of up to 21 million "American Negroes", if there were a black militant uprising in the United States.[1] [8] Existence of a master military contingency plan (of which REX-84 was a part), "Garden Plot" and a similar earlier exercise, "Lantern Spike" were originally revealed by journalist Ron Ridenhour, who summarized his findings in "Garden Plot and the New Action Army."[9]

Rex 84 was publicly mentioned during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987.[unreliable source?][10][11]

Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen regularly.[12] For example, from 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.[13]

The basic facts about Rex 84 and other contingency planning readiness exercises—and the potential threat they pose to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation—are taken seriously by scholars and civil libertarians.[14]

[edit] See also
NSPD-51
HR 1955
COINTELPRO
Posse Comitatus Act


Keep in mind, these are classified as " Fema Camps", not "State Correctional Facilities".

 

[kauphy]

my husband and i have seen alot of these on the computer one is in cali.

there r two in az.

road island has one underground.

new jersey has one also undergound.

you can google it look under detention camps or msn it you may have to do a little seaching but it will all come up.

seeing i know how people react on here when you put your thoughts on why these things r here or anything dealing with how bad the goverment is or the guy in the white house.

i,ll just say i have posted it before and still belive this to be ture.

that there will be a downfall of the u.s and these camps will be put into use.

jmho.

 

[Mavin1]

There are at least 7 in Arizona. If you click the link to the page in my first post and scroll down, it gives the list of the known Fema Camps, across the US.

During WW2, the Japanese US Citizens were forced into these camps. Imagine how it would be to be torn from your homes and lives you are accustomed to and placed into a camp.

Kauphy, don't worry about the scoffers, people who call things theories and such, just don't study both sides of the topic, they wait for CBS or Fox news to tell them what they need to know. There are equally plenty of people that will investigate things and then make a decision of agreeing or dissagreeing.

 

[asianeyes]

Interesting post, Mavin1. Many thanks for the links as well.

P.S. I was born and raised in Redondo beach, Ca. Never had any idea about these FEMA facilities. Weird and spooky.

 

[Mavin1]

Things are very spooky and weird for sure. Sometimes it is easier though pretending these things don't exist. The fact that Jessie Ventura had presented the above video, it is not exclusive to him. This information and these facilities have been in the making for a long time and the information can be found through many sites.

The fact is the laws, wikipedia and many other sources gives creadence to what any of the so called conspiracy theorists may present, when they are presenting the truth. These people although treated like nut cases or paranoid, are simply people like you and me that have done the ground work to uncover things we would never have known before.

I give them credit for the bravery they display for bringing to light this information, despite the scorn and persecution they endure daily.

When it comes to a conspiracy, true passion for the subject is only found if there is truth in it. A theory is something that can be dissected and discarded as it has no real evidence to back it up.

I have thought of it often, if certain things were to happen in our country as it does in all the others, would I want to be mentally prepared for it, or let it take me by surprise.

How much more arrogant can we be to think it could never happen here? Much like Christians and the Rapture idea, why would we be so special that we don't have to worry about Armmagedon, because we will be scooped away? I'm sure the people being fed to lions thought this, or the millions that died in the concentration camps thought this, or the millions that are subjected to war and death in their homelands have thought this and yet they were not taken away.

But we in the US have grown complacent and lazy, we trust others to look out for our well being and we trust that we are so special that nothing bad will ever happen here. As long as we are making our paychecks, bills and living the lifestyles we have come accustomed to, we don't worry about the rest of the world or the immediate world in our own backyards.

Just so long as we are not affected, what if one day we are? Would you rather know which way the tides could turn or just wait to see if it will pass you by? If you have children, families, are you prepared to help them if there is no food? Are you able to live and survive if you have no home?

Funny how we can feel sympathy for the moment when someone looses their home, but forget about it the next day. What if everyone lost their homes, where do you think you may be living?

So if we think the Fema Camps are just for illegal immigrants, or criminals, then why are they still empty when the prisons are so full and our borders are being overrun?


And how the heck do you get from California to the UK?

 

[nisosbar]

How much more arrogant can we be to think it could never happen here? Much like Christians and the Rapture idea, why would we be so special that we don't have to worry about Armmagedon, because we will be scooped away? I'm sure the people being fed to lions thought this, or the millions that died in the concentration camps thought this, or the millions that are subjected to war and death in their homelands have thought this and yet they were not taken away.

It's an interesting thing to think about.

Personally, I think the country would split apart before US civilians would cooperate with such a thing. I mean, would YOU cooperate with authorities if they said they were going to round up 'illegals' and put them in concentration camps, in preparation for mass deportation? Some people would, some wouldn't. In other countries, when authorities say jump, 99% of civilians say 'how high?'

Who knows, though. I'm not a pessimist, so I don't buy into the fear and 'sky is falling' types of stories.

 

[Mavin1]

It's an interesting thing to think about.

Personally, I think the country would split apart before US civilians would cooperate with such a thing. I mean, would YOU cooperate with authorities if they said they were going to round up 'illegals' and put them in concentration camps, in preparation for mass deportation? Some people would, some wouldn't. In other countries, when authorities say jump, 99% of civilians say 'how high?'

Who knows, though. I'm not a pessimist, so I don't buy into the fear and 'sky is falling' types of stories.

I totally agree with you.

I too am not a pessimist, but I am somewhere inbetween the optimist and pessimist. But not a chicken little either.

My thougths go on to if they are never used, then the purpose would simply be to instill fear or uncertainty in the population. Like having a big dog tied at the front door, the dogs owner knows he's harmless, but no one else does.

 

[nisosbar]

I totally agree with you.

I too am not a pessimist, but I am somewhere inbetween the optimist and pessimist. But not a chicken little either.

My thougths go on to if they are never used, then the purpose would simply be to instill fear or uncertainty in the population. Like having a big dog tied at the front door, the dogs owner knows he's harmless, but no one else does.

Absolutely. Fear is all some of these guys have got.

 

[jod5413]

Wow! Quite the informational thread! One would have to wonder if all this stuff is true or not. I vote for not. Anyone else?

 

[kauphy]

Wow! Quite the informational thread! One would have to wonder if all this stuff is true or not. I vote for not. Anyone else?

there is almost always some truth in everything that is told.

you notice i said almost always.

if we,er going to take a vote on it then i will vote on the side of caution.

i,m sure in other countrys they also thought nothing like hitler or any of the others like him could happen but they did and people died.

just because we live in the u.s does not mean that bad things done by bad people can,t or won,t happen.

and if we as a people think arrogantly that it can,t happen to us well some of us might be in for a rude awakeing.

i again will stand on the side of caution and hope things are not allowed to go that far but in the mean time i will prepared myself and my family for the worse.

 

[asianeyes]

Things are very spooky and weird for sure. Sometimes it is easier though pretending these things don't exist. The fact that Jessie Ventura had presented the above video, it is not exclusive to him. This information and these facilities have been in the making for a long time and the information can be found through many sites.

The fact is the laws, wikipedia and many other sources gives creadence to what any of the so called conspiracy theorists may present, when they are presenting the truth. These people although treated like nut cases or paranoid, are simply people like you and me that have done the ground work to uncover things we would never have known before.

I give them credit for the bravery they display for bringing to light this information, despite the scorn and persecution they endure daily.

When it comes to a conspiracy, true passion for the subject is only found if there is truth in it. A theory is something that can be dissected and discarded as it has no real evidence to back it up.

I have thought of it often, if certain things were to happen in our country as it does in all the others, would I want to be mentally prepared for it, or let it take me by surprise.

How much more arrogant can we be to think it could never happen here? Much like Christians and the Rapture idea, why would we be so special that we don't have to worry about Armmagedon, because we will be scooped away? I'm sure the people being fed to lions thought this, or the millions that died in the concentration camps thought this, or the millions that are subjected to war and death in their homelands have thought this and yet they were not taken away.

But we in the US have grown complacent and lazy, we trust others to look out for our well being and we trust that we are so special that nothing bad will ever happen here. As long as we are making our paychecks, bills and living the lifestyles we have come accustomed to, we don't worry about the rest of the world or the immediate world in our own backyards.

Just so long as we are not affected, what if one day we are? Would you rather know which way the tides could turn or just wait to see if it will pass you by? If you have children, families, are you prepared to help them if there is no food? Are you able to live and survive if you have no home?

Funny how we can feel sympathy for the moment when someone looses their home, but forget about it the next day. What if everyone lost their homes, where do you think you may be living?

So if we think the Fema Camps are just for illegal immigrants, or criminals, then why are they still empty when the prisons are so full and our borders are being overrun?


And how the heck do you get from California to the UK?

Love brought me to England. Met my (now) spouse in S. Cali who was visiting and came here to live.

Miss the ocean still as i grew up in Redondo Beach and it was such a wonderous time the beach was back then.

 

[Mavin1]

Love brought me to England. Met my (now) spouse in S. Cali who was visiting and came here to live.

Miss the ocean still as i grew up in Redondo Beach and it was such a wonderous time the beach was back then.

Derail

I think it is fascinating to hear your story of how you have gone from a beach in California to England. I can imagine you do miss the beach, I have only seen it twice in my lifetime, but I will never forget it.

When I worked in the nursing home there was this one little man, looked like he came from the story of Hiedi in the Alps, he told me he was from Czechoslovakia, I have always wondered how one comes from across the world to a small desert mining town.

Thanks for sharing

 

[NASHVEGAS]

FYI, Jesse's show that is being referenced was actually not only about the concentration camps. In fact, the concentration camps were not the primary emphasis of the show. The concentration camps were presented as supporting evidence to how the US government was prepared/ing for civil unrest among American citizens and thus the US government's possible implementation and enforcement of Martial Law among US citizens.

The show also emphasized the continued growth of Fusion Centers (not Nuclear ) throughout the US. These centers were implemented by the US Department of Homeland Security and the US DOJ in the early 2000's and the centers continue to grow throughout the US. IIRC, there are now 70+. The government claims these Centers are to fuse together information on possible terrorists and other threats to and possibly within the US. I have no clue if they are actually looking for those WOMD's in the US that the US did not find in Iraq.

FTR, Jesse also did a show on Wall Street and the Financial Meltdown including the Housing Industry. I do not consider any of that a Conspiracy theory (rather the world's biggest fraud and Ponzi scheme to date that is based on facts, both the fraud(s) and scheme(s) is/are nowhere near having run it's course of devastion). This particular show was based on facts not theories, fwiw.

The above said, Jesse's shows are poorly produced and do not do justice to the subject matter unfortunately especially since mainstream media tends to avoid or barely cover with any kind of accuracy some of the subject matter mentioned above or similar. The mainstream media will mention the simplistic "Robo-Signing" as the fraud of the on-going Foreclosure Crisis which yes it is fraud but what were the "Robo-Signers" covering up? Just a much more serious fraud that the mainstream media disregards. Google "MERS" or "Who owns the Note".

 

[Mavin1]

This is the risk that people like Jesse Ventura and many others put their reputations on the line daily to help us become more aware of what is truly going behind the mainstream media show.

Here's links to a couple of sites that shows conspiracy theories that turned out to be true conspiracies.

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[felicie]

I imagine we could ask the Japanese how they felt living in detention camps in the USA. I also imagine there are plenty of things we don't know about that would have us shaking in our shoes on a daily basis but that is why we must pay attention, stay involved by voting and voicing in order that we may get good responsible and trustworthy leaders in office. And we must have more faith in the heart & minds of the American people (no matter what party) who are greater in number than the present media wants us to believe. It is that faith in country and God that keeps a lot of us from jumping off into the big pit of despair. Well it's what works for me.

 

[LaurieJim]

I imagine we could ask the Japanese how they felt living in detention camps in the USA. I also imagine there are plenty of things we don't know about that would have us shaking in our shoes on a daily basis but that is why we must pay attention, stay involved by voting and voicing in order that we may get good responsible and trustworthy leaders in office. And we must have more faith in the heart & minds of the American people (no matter what party) who are greater in number than the present media wants us to believe. It is that faith in country and God that keeps a lot of us from jumping off into the big pit of despair. Well it's what works for me.

It works for me as well, I have very little faith in the media now, true journalists should be fair and balanced and not push their own agendas which seems to be on all channels as of late imo.I watch the different networks and you can tell the difference if your a watcher still of nightly news, national and local and dont depend on the computer to see whats reported.

Laurie

 

[Mavin1]

Just wanted to clarify, that I do watch some mainstream news on the computer, but I get it commercial free. I dumped the tv hookup because of all the other trash and garbage we have to take just to get the few things we like on tv. Just wasn't worth it anymore, considering the cost for no choice.

The commercials were like the breaking point of where I gave up tv, they had gotten so stupid, dumbed down, ridiculous and raunchy, it took away from the experience of having the hook up.

On the internet/computer, I can still watch most of the things I enjoyed, like house hunters and rennovations shows, travel shows, movies and sitcoms and with hardly any commercial interruption.

Like I had said sometime back, since ridding our home of the constant injections of garbage, we honeslty think much clearer than we did before.

 

[felicie]

During the day the commercials are either related to Medicare and which plan is right for you or my favorite, 'has the IRS turned your life into a nightmare? call us and we'll get them off your back'. It makes one long for the old Viagra commercials; 'please notify your doctor should the erection last longer than 4 hours' Oh I'll tell someone alright.

 

[Mavin1]

Sorry, the loss of the MEP's commercials are my fault, I constantly emailed them with protests, lol.

But if they would quit putting female hormones in plastic drinking bottles, men wouldn't need them anyways.

 

[Nifty29]

Sorry, the loss of the MEP's commercials are my fault, I constantly emailed them with protests, lol.

But if they would quit putting female hormones in plastic drinking bottles, men wouldn't need them anyways.

Yeah its kinda like all those emails I was getting about "make your manhood bigger" or "tired of having no bulge in your pants?" etc etc

Mind you, they stopped as soon as I disconnected my webcam......

And leave plastic bottles alone!!... *sniff*......there's nothing wrong with them!!....*sniff* *sob*.....why don't you just leave them alone!! *sob* *sob*......where's my chocolate!!!!!

 

[felicie]

Can't we get a laugh button installed beside the Thanks, WTG etc. buttons? If not then from now on if I 'thank' your post I'm rollin on the floor laughing but if I WTG your post I seriously agree with it. ok I'm good thank you.

 

[Mavin1]

Yeah its kinda like all those emails I was getting about "make your manhood bigger" or "tired of having no bulge in your pants?" etc etc

Mind you, they stopped as soon as I disconnected my webcam......

And leave plastic bottles alone!!... *sniff*......there's nothing wrong with them!!....*sniff* *sob*.....why don't you just leave them alone!! *sob* *sob*......where's my chocolate!!!!!

You know I get those darned emails all the time in my spam, maybe it's because everyone thinks I'm MARVIN!!!!

Mmmkay, my lips are sealed on the plastic bottles, but chocolate does come in glass bottles.

 

[P.V.]

I'm not into conspiracy theories either but it appears these camps do exist and for what reason is unknown.

When you can see it and touch it, it's real. Kind of like the thousands of plastic containers in Madison GA a few years back.

Many call them mass coffins, who really knows but they defiantly exist for a reason. I've never seen one at Wal-Mart, Home Depot or Lowes.

 

[felicie]

Sorry P.V. we were getting a little off the track there.

 

[P.V.]

Sorry P.V. we were getting a little off the track there.

No problem here..