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[dunover]

OK, Vinyl you can check the validity of name or casinos who have, have applied for or lost a UKGC licence here:

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[vinylweatherman]

OK, Vinyl you can check the validity of name or casinos who have, have applied for or lost a UKGC licence here:

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It's not a list, it's a search page. The problem with this is that I need to know the trading name of the casino, whereas I want a list of all casinos currently holding a UK licence, and a list of those applying, so that I can use it to determine which casinos are worth sticking with or opening accounts at.

I tried a search on 32Red, and it draws a blank, yet this is supposedly a casino that WILL carry on accepting UK players.

I am worried that Microgaming will jump the gun like they did with other EU countries and lock out UK players without prior notice. Knowing which casinos are applying for a UK license, or have one, gives me a "safe list" of casinos unlikely to suddenly close UK players out.

That article suggests UK players are going to be affected much more than seemed to be the case when only one casino announced it had closed to UK business last month.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

It's not a list, it's a search page. The problem with this is that I need to know the trading name of the casino, whereas I want a list of all casinos currently holding a UK licence, and a list of those applying, so that I can use it to determine which casinos are worth sticking with or opening accounts at.

I tried a search on 32Red, and it draws a blank, yet this is supposedly a casino that WILL carry on accepting UK players.

I am worried that Microgaming will jump the gun like they did with other EU countries and lock out UK players without prior notice. Knowing which casinos are applying for a UK license, or have one, gives me a "safe list" of casinos unlikely to suddenly close UK players out.

That article suggests UK players are going to be affected much more than seemed to be the case when only one casino announced it had closed to UK business last month.

Yes I had phone call Friday someone from 777Dragon Casino. (just to say never deposited here) But from this casino group. To let me know that on 17th July they will be shutting all the casinos down for UK Players and only Casino UK will be open for players. Any account will be migrated to this stand alone casino

He phoned me back shortly after this and oh sorry i can see you have account at other casinos in vegas partner lounge. So this will happen for all of them.....

Casino group Vegas Partner Lounge > Crazy Vegas Casino | Golden Riviera Casino | Sun Vegas Casino | Maple Casino | Casino UK | River Nile Casino | Cinema Casino | 777 Dragon Casino | Casino Mate | Casino UK Mobile | Crazy Vegas Mobile Casino | Golden Riviera Mobile Casino

So we are left with Casino UK.

I was happy with playing at Crazy Vegas so sad this is.

I know you Vinyl play their Tournaments or at least the big ones not sure how active apart from that you are. But seen you have been doing well at 32Red World cup tournaments lately hehe. Let me know you profit here or send me a PM

 

[dunover]

It's not a list, it's a search page. The problem with this is that I need to know the trading name of the casino, whereas I want a list of all casinos currently holding a UK licence, and a list of those applying, so that I can use it to determine which casinos are worth sticking with or opening accounts at.

I tried a search on 32Red, and it draws a blank, yet this is supposedly a casino that WILL carry on accepting UK players.

I am worried that Microgaming will jump the gun like they did with other EU countries and lock out UK players without prior notice. Knowing which casinos are applying for a UK license, or have one, gives me a "safe list" of casinos unlikely to suddenly close UK players out.

That article suggests UK players are going to be affected much more than seemed to be the case when only one casino announced it had closed to UK business last month.

Vinyl - come on! There's a simple way around that. Just put a capital 'A' in the search and so on , and you'll get the whole list alphabetically by each letter. It's then easy to spot the ones of interest.
Example for 'L' you get Ladbrokes and then the chaff which is easy to skim through. Narrow the search by eliminating arcades etc. from the search criteria.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yes I had phone call Friday someone from 777Dragon Casino. (just to say never deposited here) But from this casino group. To let me know that on 17th July they will be shutting all the casinos down for UK Players and only Casino UK will be open for players. Any account will be migrated to this stand alone casino

He phoned me back shortly after this and oh sorry i can see you have account at other casinos in vegas partner lounge. So this will happen for all of them.....

Casino group Vegas Partner Lounge > Crazy Vegas Casino | Golden Riviera Casino | Sun Vegas Casino | Maple Casino | Casino UK | River Nile Casino | Cinema Casino | 777 Dragon Casino | Casino Mate | Casino UK Mobile | Crazy Vegas Mobile Casino | Golden Riviera Mobile Casino

So we are left with Casino UK.

I was happy with playing at Crazy Vegas so sad this is.

I know you Vinyl play their Tournaments or at least the big ones not sure how active apart from that you are. But seen you have been doing well at 32Red World cup tournaments lately hehe. Let me know you profit here or send me a PM

That's 4 days time!!! They are just not telling players!!!!

It also means the current €30,000 tournament will shut down before it ends for UK players at other casinos, and what about any winnings from Reels De Janeiro?


So much for Nifty telling me my fears were overdone earlier, this is going to be FAR worse than I predicted, and players WILL be shut out with little or no notice in the middle of tournaments and other promotions.

The Vegas partner lounge casinos have crossplay in any case, so this measure seems unnecessary unless they are going to shut down the other account numbers and disable cross play for UK players, leaving them with only their casino UK account.

Bloody good job I haven't started on the €30,000 yet as I would have been using my Crazy Vegas account.

 

[dunover]

That's 4 days time!!! They are just not telling players!!!!

It also means the current €30,000 tournament will shut down before it ends for UK players at other casinos, and what about any winnings from Reels De Janeiro?


So much for Nifty telling me my fears were overdone earlier, this is going to be FAR worse than I predicted, and players WILL be shut out with little or no notice in the middle of tournaments and other promotions.

The Vegas partner lounge casinos have crossplay in any case, so this measure seems unnecessary unless they are going to shut down the other account numbers and disable cross play for UK players, leaving them with only their casino UK account.

Bloody good job I haven't started on the €30,000 yet as I would have been using my Crazy Vegas account.

It won't be worse than you predicted. Firstly you don't even know the extent of the casinos that WON'T get the UK license, secondly all the big trusted names like PP,BET365,Boyle,SkyVegas,Coral/Gala/Mecca/Genting and big bookies WILL get the licenses. Actually I can't find 32red on the UKGC list funnily enough....
We will just lose some of the hundreds of foreign-based sites like VPL/FL/Digimedia which are all MG downloads anyway and for whom the UK is only a small part of their player base.
There may be a little less choice, but it will increase the quality - and I say all that simply presuming that the government could stop us going abroad anyway. If the casinos still allow us to play there, what can they do to stop us?

 

[vinylweatherman]

It won't be worse than you predicted. Firstly you don't even know the extent of the casinos that WON'T get the UK license, secondly all the big trusted names like PP,BET365,Boyle,SkyVegas,Coral/Gala/Mecca/Genting and big bookies WILL get the licenses. Actually I can't find 32red on the UKGC list funnily enough....
We will just lose some of the hundreds of foreign-based sites like VPL/FL/Digimedia which are all MG downloads anyway and for whom the UK is only a small part of their player base.
There may be a little less choice, but it will increase the quality - and I say all that simply presuming that the government could stop us going abroad anyway. If the casinos still allow us to play there, what can they do to stop us?

It's worse for me as I primarily play MGS download. I stand a big chance of getting caught out mid promotion or tournament given that the shut down is starting on 17th July, even earlier than the August start predicted by some, and far earlier than necessary given that the old system still runs until 30th November.

Unlike the US, the casinos are NOT doing their best to keep us playing, they are running for the exit early except those intending to get a UK license.

Even 32Red is in some doubt as they are NOT showing up on that list.

 

[dunover]

It's worse for me as I primarily play MGS download. I stand a big chance of getting caught out mid promotion or tournament given that the shut down is starting on 17th July, even earlier than the August start predicted by some, and far earlier than necessary given that the old system still runs until 30th November.

Unlike the US, the casinos are NOT doing their best to keep us playing, they are running for the exit early except those intending to get a UK license.

Even 32Red is in some doubt as they are NOT showing up on that list.

I just said that! I can't see them NOT getting a license though.
If you're an old-school MG player then yes you will have your choices severely truncated, but the games are at many multi-platforms now. I suppose along with your AWP deprivation we should have some pity on you though....

 

[Full tilt]

32 Red and others are still advertising on UK tv channels; I'm sure they wouldn't be doing that if a withdrawal from the UK market was imminent.

 

[randomiam]

casino uk

Yes I had phone call Friday someone from 777Dragon Casino. (just to say never deposited here) But from this casino group. To let me know that on 17th July they will be shutting all the casinos down for UK Players and only Casino UK will be open for players. Any account will be migrated to this stand alone casino

He phoned me back shortly after this and oh sorry i can see you have account at other casinos in vegas partner lounge. So this will happen for all of them.....

Casino group Vegas Partner Lounge > Crazy Vegas Casino | Golden Riviera Casino | Sun Vegas Casino | Maple Casino | Casino UK | River Nile Casino | Cinema Casino | 777 Dragon Casino | Casino Mate | Casino UK Mobile | Crazy Vegas Mobile Casino | Golden Riviera Mobile Casino

So we are left with Casino UK.

I was happy with playing at Crazy Vegas so sad this is.

I know you Vinyl play their Tournaments or at least the big ones not sure how active apart from that you are. But seen you have been doing well at 32Red World cup tournaments lately hehe. Let me know you profit here or send me a PM

on the matter of casino uk i received a call from them and there merging with another vpl brand casino mate i think so casino uk shutting down and account moved over

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

on the matter of casino uk i received a call from them and there merging with another vpl brand casino mate i think so casino uk shutting down and account moved over

I think you got that wrong. Casino Mate is for Australian customers and Casino UK is for UK.

I had bit trouble understanding the guy who phoned. But what he must had said you was that any other accounts you have in vegas partner lounge will be migrated into Casino Mate? so if you have Casino UK account then that will go into Casino Mate.

Hope that makes sense as can see your from Australia

 

[Captain Chaos]

32 Red and others are still advertising on UK tv channels; I'm sure they wouldn't be doing that if a withdrawal from the UK market was imminent.

This is a good point. Out of all the MG download casinos, I'd imagine that 32red has the largest market share of MG players. The UK market must be a good percentage of their profits. I cannot see them walking away from the UK market. I'd be shocked if they did. Our choices are going to be limited, that's for sure. But it's most likely going to be a case of quality over quantity.

 

[Mark_32Red (retired acct)]

Interesting debate in this and the other thread. This is the position of the Gibraltar Betting and Gaming Association on this topic...

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[vinylweatherman]

This is a good point. Out of all the MG download casinos, I'd imagine that 32red has the largest market share of MG players. The UK market must be a good percentage of their profits. I cannot see them walking away from the UK market. I'd be shocked if they did. Our choices are going to be limited, that's for sure. But it's most likely going to be a case of quality over quantity.

Given that the CEO of 32Red has thanked this post, I will assume that 32Red will be one download MGS that I can be sure to get into every morning when logins to others are met by a "not available in your country" message.

I will be uninstalling Crazy Vegas and installing Casino UK before playing the latest €20,000 tournament. However, this could just be a way of moving all UK players over to a single brand before dropping the lot later in the year as if they were applying for a UK licence, it would not matter which skin the UK players were using, it is the operator that gets the licence, not the casino skin. This is how the entry for William Hill appears, one entry for the company, not one for each part of it's operation.

 

[Richas]

OK, Vinyl you can check the validity of name or casinos who have, have applied for or lost a UKGC licence here:

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You can download a pdf of fines and warnings and revocations, and also find out those whom to date have applied:

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Unfortunately this is all about current UK licencees.

The information we are waiting for does not really exist yet. Remote operators accessing the UK market via white list (IoM, Alderney) or EU/EEA (Gibraltar/Malta) licences don't have a UK licence now. To keep oerating in the UK they need to apply by midnight on the 16th September for a UK licence and they will be issued with a continuation licence to let them operate in the Uk from 1st October onwards whilst their submission is being checked/approved.

The UKGC don't have the list of who will apply yet, the deadline is still two months away.

 

[dunover]

Unfortunately this is all about current UK licencees.

The information we are waiting for does not really exist yet. Remote operators accessing the UK market via white list (IoM, Alderney) or EU/EEA (Gibraltar/Malta) licences don't have a UK licence now. To keep oerating in the UK they need to apply by midnight on the 16th September for a UK licence and they will be issued with a continuation licence to let them operate in the Uk from 1st October onwards whilst their submission is being checked/approved.

The UKGC don't have the list of who will apply yet, the deadline is still two months away.

Well, all I said was PENDING applications can be viewed, it goes without saying that if they haven't applied yet they will not show up.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Unfortunately this is all about current UK licencees.

The information we are waiting for does not really exist yet. Remote operators accessing the UK market via white list (IoM, Alderney) or EU/EEA (Gibraltar/Malta) licences don't have a UK licence now. To keep oerating in the UK they need to apply by midnight on the 16th September for a UK licence and they will be issued with a continuation licence to let them operate in the Uk from 1st October onwards whilst their submission is being checked/approved.

The UKGC don't have the list of who will apply yet, the deadline is still two months away.

This would make midnight on the 16th September the date by which a casino has to either apply, or shut out UK players. Why then are UK players being shut out well before this, and not even being told.

The UKGC is also partly responsible because the date that is being remembered by the (gambling) public at large is the 1st December, but it seems there are some earlier dates that have even more important consequences for UK players who might be using the 1st December date as their guide to when they might get shut out of their regular casinos.

These earlier dates explain why things seem to be happening now, rather than in the Autumn, for UK players.

This leaves a pretty bad situation for players.

On the one hand, large numbers will find they have been cut adrift by the end of the Summer and will be looking for another venue(s). However, the UKGC website will not have a list of properly licenced casinos for some while, which means that players have to rely on the casino to tell them whether or not they still accept UK players. This is going to be "hunting season" for the rogues, who WILL be accepting UK players knowing that many are looking for new venues and are not able to check via the UKGC which casinos they should be choosing in order to be "legal".

This idea of tax at the point of consumption is being rolled out elsewhere in e-commerce throughout the EU, so there isn't a realistic chance of litigation by Gibraltar and Malta working to restore the current situation.

 

[Richas]

This would make midnight on the 16th September the date by which a casino has to either apply, or shut out UK players. Why then are UK players being shut out well before this, and not even being told.

The UKGC is also partly responsible because the date that is being remembered by the (gambling) public at large is the 1st December, but it seems there are some earlier dates that have even more important consequences for UK players who might be using the 1st December date as their guide to when they might get shut out of their regular casinos.

These earlier dates explain why things seem to be happening now, rather than in the Autumn, for UK players.

This leaves a pretty bad situation for players.

On the one hand, large numbers will find they have been cut adrift by the end of the Summer and will be looking for another venue(s). However, the UKGC website will not have a list of properly licenced casinos for some while, which means that players have to rely on the casino to tell them whether or not they still accept UK players. This is going to be "hunting season" for the rogues, who WILL be accepting UK players knowing that many are looking for new venues and are not able to check via the UKGC which casinos they should be choosing in order to be "legal".

This idea of tax at the point of consumption is being rolled out elsewhere in e-commerce throughout the EU, so there isn't a realistic chance of litigation by Gibraltar and Malta working to restore the current situation.

The obsession with the tax issue - which gives us the 1st December date is not the UKGC - that date is the seperate tax activity that is not their remit at all. Now the way that the commentators and media are obsessed with the tax rather than the rgulation changes is scarcely the UKGC's fault.

The 1st October deadline for the new act coming in to force was expected a year ago and sure a couple of months ago. The 16th September deadline to apply only became public with the publication of the statutory instrument by the government about 2 weeks ago. The deadline to leave the UK market is still as expected 1st October not the application deadline.

The UK regulatory changes are independent of the tax change - obviously not coincidental - but they are seperate. The obsession with the tax date is a media and industry creation, not the fault of the regulator who has been laying out the timelines throughout in all the detail they had.

I do get that the experience of paniced switches in policy by gaming firms in response to other regulatory regimes is a cause for concern but there really is no need for the firms to mess this up. Those leaving the UK market can make a bit via a smooth handover to others who are staying and all the main suppliers (B2Bs) are staying in the UK market.

This confusion on dates is not down to the UKGC or even the government - it is a product of obsessing about the tax and downplaying/ignoring the real and significant impacts of the regulatory change. The GRA have been pretending that the reg changes are tiny or non significant as part of their tax campaign - wrong, they are significant both for consumers and the grey market, for the first time access to a major market is being used to compel international regulation, reguilation of the B2Bs and the big software suppliers and clarity on black/grey markets. Its not just tax, it never was but the industry has foled itself into thinking it was/is and at the heart of that is Gibraltese parochialism.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The obsession with the tax issue - which gives us the 1st December date is not the UKGC - that date is the seperate tax activity that is not their remit at all. Now the way that the commentators and media are obsessed with the tax rather than the rgulation changes is scarcely the UKGC's fault.

The 1st October deadline for the new act coming in to force was expected a year ago and sure a couple of months ago. The 16th September deadline to apply only became public with the publication of the statutory instrument by the government about 2 weeks ago. The deadline to leave the UK market is still as expected 1st October not the application deadline.

The UK regulatory changes are independent of the tax change - obviously not coincidental - but they are seperate. The obsession with the tax date is a media and industry creation, not the fault of the regulator who has been laying out the timelines throughout in all the detail they had.

I do get that the experience of paniced switches in policy by gaming firms in response to other regulatory regimes is a cause for concern but there really is no need for the firms to mess this up. Those leaving the UK market can make a bit via a smooth handover to others who are staying and all the main suppliers (B2Bs) are staying in the UK market.

This confusion on dates is not down to the UKGC or even the government - it is a product of obsessing about the tax and downplaying/ignoring the real and significant impacts of the regulatory change. The GRA have been pretending that the reg changes are tiny or non significant as part of their tax campaign - wrong, they are significant both for consumers and the grey market, for the first time access to a major market is being used to compel international regulation, reguilation of the B2Bs and the big software suppliers and clarity on black/grey markets. Its not just tax, it never was but the industry has foled itself into thinking it was/is and at the heart of that is Gibraltese parochialism.

Since the industry knew the dates a year in advance, why was this not enough notice for those who are dropping UK players to make sure they had not only an orderly exit strategy, but that players were well informed in advance of how it would affect them. Why too are the exits happening on arbitrary dates far earlier than necessary, and with no formal notice to players.

Currently, it does look like some major operators are going to mess this up, leaving UK players in the lurch with locked accounts, trapped money, unfinished promotions and tournaments, and nothing in their mailboxes to explain why.

The reps, even the normally active ones, are mostly conspicuous by their absence in either of the threads discussing this issue. Only Lucas from Videoslots has made their position clear so far.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Since the industry knew the dates a year in advance, why was this not enough notice for those who are dropping UK players to make sure they had not only an orderly exit strategy, but that players were well informed in advance of how it would affect them. Why too are the exits happening on arbitrary dates far earlier than necessary, and with no formal notice to players.

Currently, it does look like some major operators are going to mess this up, leaving UK players in the lurch with locked accounts, trapped money, unfinished promotions and tournaments, and nothing in their mailboxes to explain why.

The reps, even the normally active ones, are mostly conspicuous by their absence in either of the threads discussing this issue. Only Lucas from Videoslots has made their position clear so far.

Reason is they would lose business if they told UK players well in advance. By leaving it to last minute they can take our money all up until they say goodbye on other hand they could also be losing money

 

[vinylweatherman]

Reason is they would lose business if they told UK players well in advance. By leaving it to last minute they can take our money all up until they say goodbye on other hand they could also be losing money

They could lose even MORE money because of UK players deserting ALL brands due to the fear they will get screwed over by random overnight lock outs. The brands that ARE applying for a UK license have something to gain by telling players in advance that they will NOT be booted in the next couple of months. The brands that won't say can be assumed to be the ones where the risk of a sudden lock out is high.

If a brand's UK player base is so small that they can't be arsed to do anything, then they are pretty much guaranteed to either lock UK players out, or operate illegally in the UK market.

 

[Richas]

Reason is they would lose business if they told UK players well in advance. By leaving it to last minute they can take our money all up until they say goodbye on other hand they could also be losing money

To Be Fair to the firms it might be that this is a very marginal call for them. Stay in the Uk, don't stay....the impact on grey markets and compliance, the licence cost, the curent and future UK customer base of the firm all these need to be assessed to make the call.

The last addition to the FAQ was on B2B business licences and that was only added last week. The B2B busnesses have largely avoided licencing until now and pushed it on to the skins so may lack experience of it, at least of the UK which might be considered more robust than some.

Having said that, nthyere really is no excuse, the handover could and should be smooth for individual players.