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Sue Gray, the impartial overseer of Boris' party gatherings during Lockdown, aka 'Partygate', has somewhat set her sights on joining Keir Starmer's chief of staff, putting her suitability and report findings in question....
'Sue Gray's appointment completely invalidates her Partygate report and shows there was a deep-laid plot to get rid of Boris Johnson.
'The former PM accepted her two reports on the strict understanding that she was impartial... No confidence can now be placed in any evidence that she secured or passed to the police in respect of the gatherings in No 10."
This is on top of not having declared Labour's job approach, or her acceptance of the role before getting ACOBA's approval!
Question remains whether Sunak will veto the move, but what is clear, is that her reputation's shot, and the civil service's rather tainted by this episode. And of course further proof that 'balance, 'neutrality' and 'impartiality' are relics of a bygone age, as everyone has to wear their emotions on their sleeve you see!
'Sue Gray's appointment completely invalidates her Partygate report and shows there was a deep-laid plot to get rid of Boris Johnson.
'The former PM accepted her two reports on the strict understanding that she was impartial... No confidence can now be placed in any evidence that she secured or passed to the police in respect of the gatherings in No 10."
This is on top of not having declared Labour's job approach, or her acceptance of the role before getting ACOBA's approval!
Question remains whether Sunak will veto the move, but what is clear, is that her reputation's shot, and the civil service's rather tainted by this episode. And of course further proof that 'balance, 'neutrality' and 'impartiality' are relics of a bygone age, as everyone has to wear their emotions on their sleeve you see!
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First it was the EU's fault. Then it was the experts, Remainers, judges, Lords, left, the left-leaning economic establishment, anti-growth coalition, centre and the French. The doubters - the woke, BLM backing, antifada, Britain hating, LGBTQIA+ sympathising, history destroying metropolitan elite. But now we know who really destroyed the UK. It was Sue Gray all along.
I think this is great, it's the first time Starmer has really done something that he knows will get Daily Mail types all frothy with righteous indignation and he doesn't give a single shit, speaks to a growing confidence and willingness to forge his own path.
It's entirely possible for Gray to have done an independent job on the report in her capacity as it was then, and then seek employment as Labour's Chief Of Staff.
Plus, lest we forget, the actual Police found Johnson guilty of breaking the law, not Sue Gray.
DISHYREADY4RISHI vs STARMER - ding ding round one!
I think this is great, it's the first time Starmer has really done something that he knows will get Daily Mail types all frothy with righteous indignation and he doesn't give a single shit, speaks to a growing confidence and willingness to forge his own path.
It's entirely possible for Gray to have done an independent job on the report in her capacity as it was then, and then seek employment as Labour's Chief Of Staff.
Plus, lest we forget, the actual Police found Johnson guilty of breaking the law, not Sue Gray.
DISHYREADY4RISHI vs STARMER - ding ding round one!
Based on hers and the police's findings! Or did we expect Sue Gray to charge Johnson himself? 
The selective outrage is in full play again I see.....
If the roles were reversed, and Sue Gray were to join the Conservatives I'm sure we wouldn't hear the end of it!
Fact is, her role by its very nature dictates that no bias or unrequited Party allegiances should ever enter the equation, and her actions have sullied that very notion, sorry to say!
The selective outrage is in full play again I see.....
If the roles were reversed, and Sue Gray were to join the Conservatives I'm sure we wouldn't hear the end of it!
Fact is, her role by its very nature dictates that no bias or unrequited Party allegiances should ever enter the equation, and her actions have sullied that very notion, sorry to say!
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Chop it makes labour types such as Sue Gray appear as bent as a nine bob note, and starmer stupid, I mean is this woman's brain power so precious to labour it will be worth taking the political hit?
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Based on hers and the police's findings! Or did we expect Sue Gray to charge Johnson himself?
The selective outrage is in full play again I see.....
If the roles were reversed, and Sue Gray were to join the Conservatives I'm sure we wouldn't hear the end of it!
Fact is, her role by its very nature dictates that no bias or unrequited Party allegiances should ever enter the equation, and her actions have sullied that very notion, sorry to say!
I don't think Sue Gray made this up.
Or this.
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I await with eagerness a seismic change in the opinion polls over the next few days.
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wow look like real swinging parties!I don't think Sue Gray made this up.
Or this.
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Just as well she never investigated this!
Fortunately the police did, and they concluded no case to answer.
EDIT - That was in a different lockdown too, with very different rules. The Johnson parties were in the early, strictest, lockdowns. The Starmer pictures were much later, when the rules were more relaxed.
And seriously, Starmer was the actual Director Of Public Prosecutions, do you think he's not going to be slightly careful about stuff like this?....
Sometimes there's nothing to do than sit back and admire the hypocrisy
But further to Sue Gray, you still don't acknowledge how her joining the arch-rivals of a party whose leader she investigated and found rule-breaking could be seen as being not particularly, I dunno, impartial?
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Sometimes there's nothing to do than sit back and admire the hypocrisy
But further to Sue Gray, you still don't acknowledge how her joining the arch-rivals of a party whose leader she investigated and found rule-breaking could be seen as being not particularly, I dunno, impartial?
Because it wasn't her job then, now she has a different job, it's reasonably straightforward.
Lest we forget how outraged Johnson was at the time of the publication of her report. He seems incensed!
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You don't need to listen to or care about James O'Brien, but you should listen to and care about the lady who is talking to him.
It will take just four minutes of your time.
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I'm sorry Chop but on doctor's orders I must not listen to James, I just can't take the hit to my mental well-being, it's not even the content or opinion as much as his way of conveying it.
I argued strenously against many cruel aspects/policies of the lockdown and pissed off several members here!
But in terms of 1 of those pictures it almost looks like they are keeping a distance from each other, and probably were working all day together. And 'party' has a connotation of letting your hair down, lots of people mingling in a house or venue etc... [not saying it was right mind you and very poor judgement by boris considering what many people were sacrificing in order to follow the strict rules]
I wonder if James o'brien will or has gone after Hancock for not testing all admissions to care homes?
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This guy?
You called him a buffoon and pub bore, still sticking by that?
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Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day!
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Not if it's a 24-hour clock.
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Johnson looking in good shape......
Latest set of opinion polls show no bounce for Sunak despite his success with the NIP, which is understandable since it's just not an issue for most voters outside of NI itself (as evidenced by NI getting thrown under the bus by Brexit in the first place), but it's also a bit of a shame because it's one of the best bits of Prime Ministering the UK has seen in recent years. (Admittedly he's not exactly up against stiff competition.)
Latest set of opinion polls show no bounce for Sunak despite his success with the NIP, which is understandable since it's just not an issue for most voters outside of NI itself (as evidenced by NI getting thrown under the bus by Brexit in the first place), but it's also a bit of a shame because it's one of the best bits of Prime Ministering the UK has seen in recent years. (Admittedly he's not exactly up against stiff competition.)
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Not good enough for me mack, there is absolutely no world in what Johnson and his staff were up to in 10 Downing Street can ever be excused. Like many people I worked through the lockdowns, and some of my job required me to be out and about at various sites across the IOM, I had a letter with me to show the police if I was stopped what I was doing, and whenever or wherever I had to be with other people, we all scrupulously followed the rules to protect ourselves and each other. My daughter didn't get to see her grandparents for months, and in turn Mrs Chopley didn't get to see her mum and dad.
On some occasions I had to spend days in the office (a lot of my work I was lucky enough to be able to do from home), and sometimes other people were there too, the idea it'd be OK to have a piss-up at the end of the day as long as we were 'keeping a distance from each other' is laughable.
The debate about lockdowns, the severity of them, the necessity (or not) for them, the social damage they may have caused, all these are valid conversations to have. (Looking back on it now, despite being in favour at the time, I do wonder if there was a better way to do it, especially when it comes to our younger people.)
What isn't in doubt however, at all, is that Johnson was breaking the rules on a biblical scale, 10 Downing Street is the most fined address in the whole UK for lockdown breaches (126 fines IIRC), and Johnson himself was issued with a fine. He also lied his arse off about it to everyone, including to parliament itself.
A lady shared this on Twitter today, this is what she was doing whilst Johnson and friends were having piss-ups in Downing Street.
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I sometimes wonder if I am on The Truman Show, and part of the big joke is to put buffoons, imbeciles and village idiots as world leaders.
I am often left wondering of late 'nah, this can't actually be real, can it?'
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Not good enough for me mack, there is absolutely no world in what Johnson and his staff were up to in 10 Downing Street can ever be excused. Like many people I worked through the lockdowns, and some of my job required me to be out and about at various sites across the IOM, I had a letter with me to show the police if I was stopped what I was doing, and whenever or wherever I had to be with other people, we all scrupulously followed the rules to protect ourselves and each other. My daughter didn't get to see her grandparents for months, and in turn Mrs Chopley didn't get to see her mum and dad.
On some occasions I had to spend days in the office (a lot of my work I was lucky enough to be able to do from home), and sometimes other people were there too, the idea it'd be OK to have a piss-up at the end of the day as long as we we were 'keeping a distance from each other' is laughable.
The debate about lockdowns, the severity of them, the necessity (or not) for them, the social damage they may have caused, all these are valid conversations to have. (Looking back on it now, despite being in favour at the time, I do wonder if there was a better way to do it, especially when it comes to our younger people.)
What isn't in doubt however, at all, is that Johnson was breaking the rules on a biblical scale, 10 Downing Street is the most fined address in the whole UK for lockdown breaches (126 fines IIRC), and Johnson himself was issued with a fine. He also lied his arse off about it to everyone, including to parliament itself.
A lady shared this on Twitter today, this is what she was doing whilst Johnson and friends were having piss-ups in Downing Street.
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I don't want to be churlish but are they corresponding dates with boris's parties, doesn't change the overriding principle if they're not but I thought the parties happened later when some restictions had already been loosened.
Having said that I would not have complained if Boris had to apologise and resign or was removed because of the hypocrisy, but there was an element [from the media and his opponents] of using it mainly for political reasons, which is an added wrong.
Whether Boris broke the rules or not, it was the rules themselves that were harsh and cruel [no real logic or balance to them, it was 'zero covid' logic which is just incompatible with life]
So galling to see the same people who wanted even stronger restrictions to now reposition themselves as upset on behalf of the victims of the rules and the collateral damage [children, family businesses etc..]. James O'brien is one of these, afaik he was more of a proponent of zero covid policies, tbf I haven't listened to one of his shows for about 10 years, but that was my impression.
It is a complicated subject to unpick.
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Wonder if this gains the same coverage as the boris parties, my close relations are only just now becoming a bit less frightened over covid, and I still see various folk in my sainsburys wearing masks [not n95s].
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You can see the timeline documented here mack, they were at it in the very first lockdown.
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There's no question as to 'whether or not Boris broke the rules', not only was he fined for it, he accepted that he did and apologised for it, so there's no mystery there.
Also, it's possible for both conditions to be true, one can be upset on behalf of those who suffered during the lockdowns whilst also having advocated for them at the time as the least-worst response to a serious pandemic (and I include myself in that list, as per my previous post), whilst also being disgusted at the actions of those at the very seat of the power in the UK, telling everyone else what they had to do for fear of arrest and being branded a criminal, as they flagrantly flaunted those rules themselves.
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This and the Brexit thread would die away if chopley didn't keep banging on to send it back up again.
I still find it odd that someone who lives outside the EU for 20 years and still does, never thought it an issue, until the UK did the same.
He also has no real concern about the UK govt. as er... he doesn't live in the UK.
I think he's developed a kind of fixation with it all. It's unhealthy. Gets the shakes if it isn't in the top topics list each day. Or fears we might be ignoring his wisdom and genius (well, that of whom he copies-and-pastes.)
It will be 6 years in 3 months ttime, since the referendum. I think it's only him, Gary Lineker and Gina Miller who haven't got over it.
Think how much of your life you have wasted on this thread, typing and copying, searching google for comments that fit your narrative.
It's done, get over it, like Che Guevera is dead. There's not going to be another referendum in the near future, we ain't going back in. Your side lost. So did Corbyn.
Once you get past the denial stage into acceptance, you will clear your mind and be a happier chappie.
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Did the fortnightly shop today, lashings of large cucumbers at 70p, packs of 6 tommies for 69p and cherry tommies for £1.25, lots of fresh broccoli. (Mind you, I went early, perhaps I should've gone at 4pm. and taken photos when they were possiby sold out, decrying Brexit and howling about bogus shortages.)
I still find it odd that someone who lives outside the EU for 20 years and still does, never thought it an issue, until the UK did the same.
He also has no real concern about the UK govt. as er... he doesn't live in the UK.
I think he's developed a kind of fixation with it all. It's unhealthy. Gets the shakes if it isn't in the top topics list each day. Or fears we might be ignoring his wisdom and genius (well, that of whom he copies-and-pastes.)
It will be 6 years in 3 months ttime, since the referendum. I think it's only him, Gary Lineker and Gina Miller who haven't got over it.
Think how much of your life you have wasted on this thread, typing and copying, searching google for comments that fit your narrative.
It's done, get over it, like Che Guevera is dead. There's not going to be another referendum in the near future, we ain't going back in. Your side lost. So did Corbyn.
Once you get past the denial stage into acceptance, you will clear your mind and be a happier chappie.
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Did the fortnightly shop today, lashings of large cucumbers at 70p, packs of 6 tommies for 69p and cherry tommies for £1.25, lots of fresh broccoli. (Mind you, I went early, perhaps I should've gone at 4pm. and taken photos when they were possiby sold out, decrying Brexit and howling about bogus shortages.)
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I don't think logically/truly you can unless you've started to change your mind to some degree [from then to now] because it was the rules/policy -like the funeral one- that caused the harm at the time not finding out later that boris had had several parties during the period [I must admit I didn't realise it was as many as that timeline reveals]. It adds to the injury but is not the substance of the original injury.
But then were the public being informed of the 'known' truth in the 1st place, hence hancock's messages are an important source regarding that.
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Remain lost the battle, but it will win the war. The process of rapprochement with the EU has already started, you can bloviate about it as much as you like, but we both know that a majority of people in the UK would reverse Brexit tomorrow if they could, and that a sustained, significant, and increasing majority of people think Brexit was a mistake that has hurt the UK.
Even on specific examples, such as food shortages, a majority of people now say they think Brexit is part of the reason they're seeing gaps on supermarket shelves - (just because you haven't seen gaps on shelves, doesn't mean they don't exist elsewhere) - in short, folks are onto Brexit now, its card is marked, and the clock is ticking.
Democracy isn't a one time only deal, it's allowed to change its mind, that's why when a political party loses a general election it doesn't just say, 'Oh well, we lost, better get over it and never try again I suppose' - it goes away, regroups, and has another go.
Many things in politics look invincible, until all of a sudden they don't, the Thatcher and Blair years spring readily to mind. The tide has turned against Brexit already, and in time, it too, will fall.
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Seeing some of these hancock whatsapp messages, and the deluded arrogance of the fella, the aides are in line with it as well so must be par for the course in terms of westminster ethics and antics. Head of uk health, unbelievable an alan partridge style, wanna-be MP could make it that far.
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So it turns out the cancel culture snowflakes are those who can't handle a football presenter expressing a political view on an entirely unrelated platform.
Who knew?
And yet on Question Time last night, Fiona Bruce stepped in to make clear that Stanley Johnson (Boris Johnson's father) breaking his wife's nose during a violent outburst was a 'one-off' event. (Which is not true, Stanley Johnson was a wife-beater.)
Not that you'd guess the BBC has a Tory chairman or anything.
Who knew?
And yet on Question Time last night, Fiona Bruce stepped in to make clear that Stanley Johnson (Boris Johnson's father) breaking his wife's nose during a violent outburst was a 'one-off' event. (Which is not true, Stanley Johnson was a wife-beater.)
Not that you'd guess the BBC has a Tory chairman or anything.
Well of course he's free to spout whatever self-satisfied ramblings he wishes, that is the basis of free speech after all.
I'm somewhat at a loss as to why there's a concerted campaign to oust him from his presenting gigs, as that's not likely to silence him, is it?
However disagreeable his nauseating opinions, from a position of great privilege and influence may I add, cancelling ol' F.A Cup ears for this doubled-down tweet seems strangely out of context given everything else he's 'taught' the plebs over the years....
I suspect it's a cumulative effect, and for the BBC (who let's face it agree with his views doggedly) to sever ties with an ageing, grossly overpaid mouthpiece on circa £1.35m per annum, whilst of course looking virtuous in the process
I'm somewhat at a loss as to why there's a concerted campaign to oust him from his presenting gigs, as that's not likely to silence him, is it?
However disagreeable his nauseating opinions, from a position of great privilege and influence may I add, cancelling ol' F.A Cup ears for this doubled-down tweet seems strangely out of context given everything else he's 'taught' the plebs over the years....
I suspect it's a cumulative effect, and for the BBC (who let's face it agree with his views doggedly) to sever ties with an ageing, grossly overpaid mouthpiece on circa £1.35m per annum, whilst of course looking virtuous in the process
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I didn't watch QT [I never do], was their any relevance about Stanley Johnson's wife beating to the pressing questions of the day?
Lineker, the jug-eared footballing hero of yesteryear, needs to work out what he wants to be, a bbc football tv presenter or someone trying to be active in uk politics and commenting on govt policy. He's free to do one or the other.
Edit: Didn't gary neville mention strikers and pay or something during a half time segment, iirc the other ex footballers/analysts didn't know what to say, kind of a look down at your feet moment.
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Off the BBC's own website, Guidance: Impartiality-
The BBC’s impartiality requirements do not apply only to broadcast output and published content. An array of social media outlets, for example, present opportunities for the public expression of viewpoints by presenters, reporters and other staff which could jeopardise the BBC’s impartiality. Whilst there may be greater freedom for BBC freelance employees who are not engaged in news or current affairs or factual journalism output and who are not primarily identified with the BBC, it is essential that those engaged in the production of news and current affairs and factual journalism in particular say nothing publicly which could be interpreted as bias on politics or public policy issues, or controversial issues. Those who appear on screen or on the radio in particular may be identified with the BBC: it is easy to damage the perception of the BBC’s impartiality through careless statements made off air
The BBC’s impartiality requirements do not apply only to broadcast output and published content. An array of social media outlets, for example, present opportunities for the public expression of viewpoints by presenters, reporters and other staff which could jeopardise the BBC’s impartiality. Whilst there may be greater freedom for BBC freelance employees who are not engaged in news or current affairs or factual journalism output and who are not primarily identified with the BBC, it is essential that those engaged in the production of news and current affairs and factual journalism in particular say nothing publicly which could be interpreted as bias on politics or public policy issues, or controversial issues. Those who appear on screen or on the radio in particular may be identified with the BBC: it is easy to damage the perception of the BBC’s impartiality through careless statements made off air
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It was related to the fact that Boris Johnson is trying to put his (wife-beating) dad into the House Of Lords. A question was asked about the appropriateness of such a process.
As for Lineker (who was Mrs Chopley's teenage crush BTW, she used to have posters of him on her wall, so I commend her excellent taste), Alan Sugar didn't have to choose one thing or another.... He's allowed to still be a purveyor of shite hi-fis in the 80s and current 'entrepreneur', whilst also still being a BBC presenter.
Is the problem the Tories and the BBC have with Lineker that he doesn't agree with the Tory government? (Hint - yes.)
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In that case you are excused.
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It was related to the fact that Boris Johnson is trying to put his (wife-beating) dad into the House Of Lords. A question was asked about the appropriateness of such a process.
As for Lineker (who was Mrs Chopley's teenage crush BTW, she used to have poster of him on her wall, so I commend her excellent taste), Alan Sugar didn't have to choose one thing or another.... He's allowed to still be a purveyor of shite hi-fis in the 80s and current 'entrepreneur', whilst also still being a BBC presenter.
Is the problem the Tories and the BBC have with Lineker that he doesn't agree with the Tory government? (Hint - yes.)
Sugar is on about once a year, give us another example in the same ilk but on the bbc each week?
I'm not up-to-date on Bojo, is he still [currently] trying to get his dad a lordship? He shouldn't be allowed to do that, regardless of wife beating, using public office to award and make your dad a lord is an act of nepotism going too far.
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Come on old chap this is very much current affairs!
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Am I not surprised it was that stupid yasmin brown woman, I cannot watch or listen to her without the risk of a scanners effect occurring!
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Yes because she's totally the problem in that scenario.
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Lineker the smug oily muppet, earns more from us taxpayers under threat of fines and/or imprisonment than he ever did at any football club he played for. The condition we pay the TV tax is to fund an IMPARTIAL BBC. It's not like it's the first time he's done it. I hope I never see that miserable Shearer and hysterical Ian Wright again either, so all good from this license payer's perspective.
But the moronic comment he made is what really matters. I mean come on! A sensible boats policy (not even as harsh as Australia's) to prevent illegal entrants. Compares that with an industrialised state murdering machine re. Nazi Germany. Twat. Like most footballers, he had his IQ printed on the back of his shirt.
Another champagne socialist consumed by middle-age guilt. Good riddance.
But the moronic comment he made is what really matters. I mean come on! A sensible boats policy (not even as harsh as Australia's) to prevent illegal entrants. Compares that with an industrialised state murdering machine re. Nazi Germany. Twat. Like most footballers, he had his IQ printed on the back of his shirt.
Another champagne socialist consumed by middle-age guilt. Good riddance.
I dunno.....I'm going to miss his anecdotes. Hopefully he'll still stick around on Twitter!
Still torn as to my favourite one. Is it the 'handwritten letter' an immigrant Lineker had housed for a couple of months, named 'Abdul', despite no evidence of this having occurred? Maybe just a funny riposte to his critics?
Or will the time he claimed to have endured racism whilst playing for Barcelona, because of his tan, take the spoils?
One thing always guaranteed with the man is rank hypocrisy. Like the time he 'forgot' to wear a mask during the special lockdown times, because of reasons
To think, I remembered when he was borderline national treasure, had just taken over from Des Lynham on MOTD, made mildly amusing crisp ads, and was that affable chap liked by most. Then he became BBCed, and that's all she wrote!
Still torn as to my favourite one. Is it the 'handwritten letter' an immigrant Lineker had housed for a couple of months, named 'Abdul', despite no evidence of this having occurred? Maybe just a funny riposte to his critics?
Or will the time he claimed to have endured racism whilst playing for Barcelona, because of his tan, take the spoils?
One thing always guaranteed with the man is rank hypocrisy. Like the time he 'forgot' to wear a mask during the special lockdown times, because of reasons
To think, I remembered when he was borderline national treasure, had just taken over from Des Lynham on MOTD, made mildly amusing crisp ads, and was that affable chap liked by most. Then he became BBCed, and that's all she wrote!
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Pochettino and Kane? Have they not got a match tomorrow?Sneak peek of tomorrow's Match of the Day coverage:
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Sneak peek of tomorrow's Match of the Day coverage:
I think it's fucking brilliant, a group of people who can't be cowed because they've got enough cash to just say fuck off to the BBC and their Tory paymasters, and plough their own furrow.
Braverman and her evil needs to be called out, I salute those who are doing so.
Go Gary, and everyone who stands in solidarity with him.
