Twin Spin Rage

[Deeplay]

Well one of my go to slots Twin Spin - has died a death on me the past month these vile contraption has eaten my funds almost ever time.

Also I loath the new layout .... slow and jerky unlike it used to be when it was one of the fastest netent offerings play wise.

I noticed on VideoSlots game payouts the past month its showing around 92% .... cant look back past June as it does not seem to have stats for that anymore , maybe something to do with
when they re-released the game.

I am bordering tin foil hat country on this which for me is very very rare .........

Anyone else play this new contraption ... how you finding it ?

 

[MightyDuck]

I'm more and more going towards Yggdrasil and PlaynGo slots because of the lack of creativity from Netent. The new games are crap and the older ones get refurbished and made to crap too.

 

[Jono777]

Played it the other night.

Usually I'd given Twin Spin at least 100 spins before I move on or stay, depending on how it is treating me.

Lets just say I don't think I managed even 40 spins on this new vile piece of filth.

I have not had a decent run/hit on this slot for ages now, before or after the 're-vamp'

It was certainly heading towards my 'rare' list but since the makeover has joined the 'never' list

 

[nutnut]

Something doesn't feel right with Netent slots, anytime you had any decent win you should never g back, cause not only do big wins never happen again but it bleeds you dry so quick.

 

[goatwack]

I don't want to harp on about the 'good old days', but the days of getting consecutive good hits/ bonus rounds seem a distant memory.

Noticeably different gameplay from when I started, my reference point only being about four years ago. It's always the same Netent Variance; lose a lot, get a big hit taking you to almost your starting balance and repeat the cycle!

It is actually getting to the stage where the only viable slot left to play is DOA. I have wondered why anyone even plays anything else to be honest, even if it is 'entertainingly -challenged'. I'd only play Netent's recent offerings after making a withdrawal and using spare cash, never to start a session.

I don't see the big deal with Twin Spin but who'd notice Netent shaving off a couple of % of the RTP anyway

After all, when Adventure Palace HD got revamped it played like horse manure. Even Scarface had a subtle facelift but the changes are irritating if anything and simplified nonsense.

LEAVE GAMES AS THEY ARE YOU CHUMPS

 

[asm]

It'd be very interesting to see the complete stats and probabilities of things from NETENT. Oddly enough, I don't really like twin spin but it's one of the few games I can honestly say I'm up on (mainly because I scored a few big ones and haven't played it a lot because it's boring).

All the new NETENT games seem to suck gigantic ass, sorry to put it bluntly. That revolting Aloha game was bottombarrelstuff.

 

[Jono777]

After all, when Adventure Palace HD got revamped it played like horse manure.

LEAVE GAMES AS THEY ARE YOU CHUMPS

A regular 'Go to' game of mine, maybe even Top 3! - Some huge success time and again.

Following the 'Extreme Makeover - Bullshit Edition' - as you say only touch with leftovers and once in a blue moon!

 

[Deeplay]

Yep twin spin crap for me as of late ...

but have just won 100 spins on Gemix getting first place in free roll

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yep twin spin crap for me as of late ...

but have just won 100 spins on Gemix getting first place in free roll

That was you with the load of stars?

I barely got past 600 points

Hope the FS pay something decent. Won the 100FS battle on Eggomatic this morning, got 50FS for first place and they paid $4.50

As for Twin Spin I will say it in CM jargon: I will never touch that slot again even with a barge pole

 

[Jono777]

Egg O Matic (another one of my ultimate faves which has bitten the dust) has been pathetic for ages now, hence the almost abandonment my end.

I had admiration for Netent's older slots, despite the unbeatable variance, now with these changes and constant releases of 'dross' apart from DOA now and then I find I rarely touch any Netent.

Their loss!

 

[Deeplay]

That was you with the load of stars?

I barely got past 600 points

Hope the FS pay something decent. Won the 100FS battle on Eggomatic this morning, got 50FS for first place and they paid $4.50

As for Twin Spin I will say it in CM jargon: I will never touch that slot again even with a barge pole

Didnt even see it ... but I won a massive £5.10 from 100 free spins utter crap.

have got it up to £20 on "twin spin" of all things ....

will probably hammer the above on IR 60p spins

I still have zero idea how gemix actually works some in chat did try explain it but its like a got brain freeze on it

 

[Deeplay]

Well that went well won fiver on the 100 fs .... took it to 21 on TS then onto IR @ 60p spins bust within 5 minutes

Did pick up some race points though and cash back ...

 

[Harry_BKK]

I don't think Netent or MG or others have changed or the RTP has been altered.

In my view the main reason for very poor sessions is the total number of players. This has exploded in the past years together with the number of new casinos. In itself you would think that it would make things better as more money goes in, more comes out. Logical right?

The only problem is that the probability that you will be the chosen one to be on the receiving end of that big win has dropped just as dramatic.

Why am I convinced that this is the reason? VS did now twice the freebie promo for the Battles and the number of players was always the max. 500 during those days compared to 150-350 on other days. You would see massive spikes in big wins but only for 2-5 players and an extremely high number at the bottom not getting past 30% RTP for the 100 battle spins.

Those "lucky' players would hit 3, 4, 5 bonus rounds within those 100 spins each paying well in excess of 100x bet. Just sooooo unbelievably hard to have such a run in real play when you don't have that big amount of players hitting the slot at the same time. But in the battles it mostly happened right in the first 10 minutes of the battle when you have most participants playing their spins.

I had sometimes the impression that the software would chose randomly a few players at the start and give them all the good wins, was just so unreal to watch.

Not once did i see such huge winning spikes and such extremly poor results on normal battle days.

 

[Adriana B]

Hey Deeplay. When I logged in to battle on Gemix I thought -- how the hell did that guy get so many points? Unbelievable. Didn't know it was you. What you won from the free spins is probably much more realistic then the battle score for sure. I noticed you on a couple of battles Harry but have just been autoplaying and coming back to see what happened (extremely busy lately). You looked like you were doing well on one of the battles anyway. We both had freespins at the same time. Secrets of the Stones I think it was.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Hey Deeplay. When I logged in to battle on Gemix I thought -- how the hell did that guy get so many points? Unbelievable. Didn't know it was you. What you won from the free spins is probably much more realistic then the battle score for sure. I noticed you on a couple of battles Harry but have just been autoplaying and coming back to see what happened (extremely busy lately). You looked like you were doing well on one of the battles anyway. We both had freespins at the same time. Secrets of the Stones I think it was.

Yep Secret of the Stone ... 6FS for me

Paid 7.10$ when i played them but DOA happily took it pretty quickly.

 

[goatwack]

I don't think Netent or MG or others have changed or the RTP has been altered.

In my view the main reason for very poor sessions is the total number of players. This has exploded in the past years together with the number of new casinos. In itself you would think that it would make things better as more money goes in, more comes out. Logical right?

The only problem is that the probability that you will be the chosen one to be on the receiving end of that big win has dropped just as dramatic.

Why am I convinced that this is the reason? VS did now twice the freebie promo for the Battles and the number of players was always the max. 500 during those days compared to 150-350 on other days. You would see massive spikes in big wins but only for 2-5 players and an extremely high number at the bottom not getting past 30% RTP for the 100 battle spins.

Those "lucky' players would hit 3, 4, 5 bonus rounds within those 100 spins each paying well in excess of 100x bet. Just sooooo unbelievably hard to have such a run in real play when you don't have that big amount of players hitting the slot at the same time. But in the battles it mostly happened right in the first 10 minutes of the battle when you have most participants playing their spins.

I had sometimes the impression that the software would chose randomly a few players at the start and give them all the good wins, was just so unreal to watch.

Not once did i see such huge winning spikes and such extremly poor results on normal battle days.

so you're saying RTP is altered during Battles and RTP is adjusted for select players?

I'm telling on you.

And I'm getting you a special gold hat for real this time

 

[lotusch]

I don't think Netent or MG or others have changed or the RTP has been altered.

In my view the main reason for very poor sessions is the total number of players. This has exploded in the past years together with the number of new casinos. In itself you would think that it would make things better as more money goes in, more comes out. Logical right?

The only problem is that the probability that you will be the chosen one to be on the receiving end of that big win has dropped just as dramatic.

Why am I convinced that this is the reason? VS did now twice the freebie promo for the Battles and the number of players was always the max. 500 during those days compared to 150-350 on other days. You would see massive spikes in big wins but only for 2-5 players and an extremely high number at the bottom not getting past 30% RTP for the 100 battle spins.

Those "lucky' players would hit 3, 4, 5 bonus rounds within those 100 spins each paying well in excess of 100x bet. Just sooooo unbelievably hard to have such a run in real play when you don't have that big amount of players hitting the slot at the same time. But in the battles it mostly happened right in the first 10 minutes of the battle when you have most participants playing their spins.

I had sometimes the impression that the software would chose randomly a few players at the start and give them all the good wins, was just so unreal to watch.

Not once did i see such huge winning spikes and such extremly poor results on normal battle days.

What I find lately is that it is much harder to trigger free spins on any gaming platform.
Netent,MGS,WMS.
A few years ago I felt you could safely say the free spins would trigger on average every 150-200 spins, of course with the variance added it could come quicker or a bit later.

But lately I have had sessions on several slots where it took well over 500 and sometimes even over 1000 spins to trigger the FS.
That is mad insane.
Especially when that particular FS round pays you only a fraction back of what you have invested in the slot.

The variance swings in slots when it comes to FS triggers most likely was always there but it seems to happen a lot more these days to me that it takes very very long.

I was playing Amazon Queen a few weeks ago and all I got was 2 scatters over and over again.
I seriously was thinking at a certain point the slots was malfunctioning as it did not drop the bloody 3th scatter.
After a while it finally dropped,took about 1400 spins if I remember correctly.

 

[goatwack]

What I find lately is that it is much harder to trigger free spins on any gaming platform.
Netent,MGS,WMS.
A few years ago I felt you could safely say the free spins would trigger on average every 150-200 spins, of course with the variance added it could come quicker or a bit later.

But lately I have had sessions on several slots where it took well over 500 and sometimes even over 1000 spins to trigger the FS.
That is mad insane.
Especially when that particular FS round pays you only a fraction back of what you have invested in the slot.

The variance swings in slots when it comes to FS triggers most likely was always there but it seems to happen a lot more these days to me that it takes very very long.

I was playing Amazon Queen a few weeks ago and all I got was 2 scatters over and over again.
I seriously was thinking at a certain point the slots was malfunctioning as it did not drop the bloody 3th scatter.
After a while it finally dropped,took about 1400 spins if I remember correctly.

It is true, the gaps between free spins is huge and very hard to determine, wheras back in the day they'd come along a lot more frequently. The only difference then is that although they were more common, a lot would still be rubbish.

Nowadays I wait for ages and 9/10 they'd be terrible, not even enough to get me back to my starting point. It really is death by a thousand cuts

 

[Harry_BKK]

so you're saying RTP is altered during Battles and RTP is adjusted for select players?

I'm telling on you.

And I'm getting you a special gold hat for real this time

No, of course it isn't. I said i had the impression ... big difference my friend

But it was indeed unreal to watch. The best i have seen was one battle on TwinSpin during the 3-day freebie promo, one player jumped to 1st spot with 1 x win of some 5,000 points (equals 50$ win on a 0.25$ bet), a few spins later some 7,000 points and to top it off a 3rd one paying 10,000 points... he/she finished the battle close to 25,000 points (= 250$ with 100 spins @ 0.25$) .... even on a super TwinSpin session i have never seen anything close to happen within 100 spins.

In that battle another 4 players finished with a score of 12,000 and above. At the bottom you had some 50 players with less than 700 points.

In battles with just 100odd players i have never seen that kind of winning spikes on one end and poor results at the bottom.

But thanks for the golden hat, I'll proudly wear it

 

[Harry_BKK]

What I find lately is that it is much harder to trigger free spins on any gaming platform.
Netent,MGS,WMS.
A few years ago I felt you could safely say the free spins would trigger on average every 150-200 spins, of course with the variance added it could come quicker or a bit later.

But lately I have had sessions on several slots where it took well over 500 and sometimes even over 1000 spins to trigger the FS.
That is mad insane.
Especially when that particular FS round pays you only a fraction back of what you have invested in the slot.

The variance swings in slots when it comes to FS triggers most likely was always there but it seems to happen a lot more these days to me that it takes very very long.

I was playing Amazon Queen a few weeks ago and all I got was 2 scatters over and over again.
I seriously was thinking at a certain point the slots was malfunctioning as it did not drop the bloody 3th scatter.
After a while it finally dropped,took about 1400 spins if I remember correctly.

Unfortunately, 300, 400, 500 spins between bonus rounds have become the norm whereas in the past it was the exception. Don't know how/why that changed as my records show a clear increase and that is averaged over millions of spins, not just a few hundred or thousand.

Also the hyper long runs of 600 - 1500 spins without bonus round have increased substantially. That is 1 - 2.5 hrs sitting in front of the box seeing for the umpteenth time only 2 x scatter.

And you can bet that the first bonus round after 100's of spins will pay absolutely nothing.

What has also changed is the frequency of 5OAK on 243-liners. The other day i lost some 2K on TSII and went 594, 132 and 326 spins without seeing a single 5OAK of 9's or 10's, let alone the higher symbols.

 

[goatwack]

No, of course it isn't. I said i had the impression ... big difference my friend

But it was indeed unreal to watch. The best i have seen was one battle on TwinSpin during the 3-day freebie promo, one player jumped to 1st spot with 1 x win of some 5,000 points (equals 50$ win on a 0.25$ bet), a few spins later some 7,000 points and to top it off a 3rd one paying 10,000 points... he/she finished the battle close to 25,000 points (= 250$ with 100 spins @ 0.25$) .... even on a super TwinSpin session i have never seen anything close to happen within 100 spins.

In that battle another 4 players finished with a score of 12,000 and above. At the bottom you had some 50 players with less than 700 points.

In battles with just 100odd players i have never seen that kind of winning spikes on one end and poor results at the bottom.

But thanks for the golden hat, I'll proudly wear it

I too wondered the same thing during these battles, namely when playing JATB and getting four bonus rounds in 100 spins. That in itself is ludicrous!

How some players bolt towards the top of the leaderboard in double quick time makes me wonder too, in essence meaning that they must have had several 100x hits in quick succesion which is not something I'm accustomed to seeing in marathon slot sessions.

 

[Deeplay]

I don't think Netent or MG or others have changed or the RTP has been altered.

In my view the main reason for very poor sessions is the total number of players. This has exploded in the past years together with the number of new casinos. In itself you would think that it would make things better as more money goes in, more comes out. Logical right?

The only problem is that the probability that you will be the chosen one to be on the receiving end of that big win has dropped just as dramatic.

Why am I convinced that this is the reason? VS did now twice the freebie promo for the Battles and the number of players was always the max. 500 during those days compared to 150-350 on other days. You would see massive spikes in big wins but only for 2-5 players and an extremely high number at the bottom not getting past 30% RTP for the 100 battle spins.

Those "lucky' players would hit 3, 4, 5 bonus rounds within those 100 spins each paying well in excess of 100x bet. Just sooooo unbelievably hard to have such a run in real play when you don't have that big amount of players hitting the slot at the same time. But in the battles it mostly happened right in the first 10 minutes of the battle when you have most participants playing their spins.

I had sometimes the impression that the software would chose randomly a few players at the start and give them all the good wins, was just so unreal to watch.

Not once did i see such huge winning spikes and such extremly poor results on normal battle days.

Well I did think of that ...... BUT ........... RTP should not care less if there is 100 or 1000 players. Its not as if it is set to pay out only on certain accounts at any one time. More going in actually yes means more going out in theory but spread over more players so it dont make any difference. And remember Netent games for example come from the same bank of servers so its going to be millions of spins per second I rekon. A bit like FOBTS In England ... 1000s of machines being played at the same time spewing out "random" results which in the end makes sure the casino always has its edge.

No ryme or reason to it ... but my luck the past few days ha im last in line for any kind of RTP

 

[Harry_BKK]

I too wondered the same thing during these battles, namely when playing JATB and getting four nonus rounds in 100 spins. That in itself is ludicrous!

How some players bolt towards the top of the leaderboard in double quick time makes me wonder too, in essence meaning that they must have had several 100x hits in quick succesion which is not something I'm accustomed to seeing in marathon slot sessions.

Exactly what i meant.

I think i can safely say that we have thousands of slot sessions between us and it is just so unusual to see those kind of wins in such quick succession. We might get once in a blue moon 4 bonus rounds within 100 spins but from those 1 might pay well and the other 3 are totally rubbish. That is why i said that i had the impression like they were chosen as the wins were piled up on them. That to be sheer luck is rather hard to believe.

 

[nutnut]

Harry is correct about the Battle Slots and how the win increased during those first 5/10mins for few players. In one of them South Park i hit the bonus round 8 times in 100 spins and triggered many other features, this has happened in other games during the battles. What I've found is during battles to start your spin instantly because thats when the abnormal high end wins appear, and those 3/4 players get a points total normally you would never see.

Ttry playing your spins after 30 minutes when few players are spinning, and you will get your "normal" spins of next to no wins or odd small bonus round.

For me during the promo battles, I was tempted to play those same battle games in real cash games during that 5/10 minute spell just to see.

 

[goatwack]

Harry is correct about the Battle Slots and how the win increased during those first 5/10mins for few players. In one of them South Park i hit the bonus round 8 times in 100 spins and triggered many other features, this has happened in other games during the battles. What I've found is during battles to start your spin instantly because thats when the abnormal high end wins appear, and those 3/4 players get a points total normally you would never see.

Ttry playing your spins after 30 minutes when few players are spinning, and you will get your "normal" spins of next to no wins or odd small bonus round.

For me during the promo battles, I was tempted to play those same battle games in real cash games during that 5/10 minute spell just to see.

So it's a case of 'First come, first served' by the looks of it

That would explain how some players must rush to get the bulk of the allotted scores. Probably why some have 50 spins remaining whilst I've barely scraped through 15 or something.

The one and only time I won a tournament, I was straight onto the lead early on and no one caught me. Also many times I have joined a tournament late and barely cobbled two points together!

Now we've cracked the secret, expect plenty of horse heads on the end of your bed for the foreseeable future

 

[slotter999]

I don't think Netent or MG or others have changed or the RTP has been altered.

In my view the main reason for very poor sessions is the total number of players. This has exploded in the past years together with the number of new casinos.

I agree with this statement. I further suspect a lot of RTP accuracy for netents is achieved through players playing minimum bet.

It's a shame netent don't make the stats publicly available for each machine to validate this but I guess that information could be commercially sensitive. For what it's worth I collect publicly available spin data on netent and over 100's of thousands of spins the RTP is never really far out and from what I can tell you have about a 1 in 3 chance of finishing up over 100 spins.

I did read the other day that netent are processing something like 6 billion transactions per quarter so how useful the data I have is I don't really know.

Re: comments about dead / chasing freespins I tell you games like JATB are something like a 1 in 167 chance of hitting. When you know the numbers you realise that it's quite long odds and any wonder we hit them at all.

I think on netents its wise to follow dunovers advice and walk after 50 and never chase (I think it was something along those lines ). If I took that advice many netent car crashes would have been avoided.

Good luck all.

 

[scarletmuse]

Hi all, by far I do not have nearly as much experience/know-how as many contributors here but I have eagerly been reading this thread for everyone's input and feedback as it is quite interesting!


i just wanted to add a little insight from my own experiences that I never thought too much about really, just steer away from those slots most days

I have to say Harry is on point mentioning the Slots Battle Phenomena (I have thought in the past when I have noticed it, maybe I had imagined it this whole time... I kept pondering well, there must be a trick or strategy to winning these Battles surely cos that dude finishing on like 112,000 pts and here's me with 976 measly coins like oh thanks for coming)

Its not a long-term observation for me and without applying any sort of stat or in-depth observation over time, I definitiely agree, the VS Battle Slots somehow awesome payouts/spins/features you can trigger in a Freeroll at 10/20c spins is pretty ridic. I have done it myself-Go Bananas, Wonky Wabbits and South Park are a few I can remember because of this exact phenomena!! I had never played any of them prior to the Battle and blown away with the all the happenings and coin bursts and so forth I would give them a shot in real play.... Only with the exception of Go Bananas where my first attempts did hit a couple of decent wins around $20-40 from memory, those Battle points could never be repeated with real funds LOL

On the Netent topic-I used to play loads of Netent games when I began playing at the start of my VS/Gut journeys... they seemed to hit FS or cute little bonus features all the time for me. Always fun and interesting bonus/free games kept my early slotting exciting cos I always got decent return for a 20/60c bet so it was great and entertaining! Netent but they are withiut fail one of the better providers-that always work nicely on mobile too. Dracula, JATB, King of Slots, Even Stickers and Dazzle Me had a few of my first little wins when I started slotting. Now, it's like do I? don't I? and if I do go in and play forget it! Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Twin Spin I have only even managed to win big when playing with a big bonus and WR where I have been a bit more reckless with the bet sizes than I would normally do. When I go back when on the realsie money, nope nothing.

And gosh... This one is enigmatic as yet for me... Can I be shown the light on this one as it baffles me! So... Please, DOA?! Can somebody enlighten me to the secret of this so muchly beloved slot? Maybe I am unlucky, maybe I am doing it wrong I dunno, but the more I see it on CM the more I think ooh i will have a go next time on the laptop and then its like loss, loss, little wins never covering my bets... Things spin but nothing happens arghhh!! So i have only dabbled sporadically, ranging between 9c and 90c spins, maybe I don't have the patience for this apparently magnificent game

 

[Harry_BKK]

Hi all, by far I do not have nearly as much experience/know-how as many contributors here but I have eagerly been reading this thread for everyone's input and feedback as it is quite interesting!


i just wanted to add a little insight from my own experiences that I never thought too much about really, just steer away from those slots most days

I have to say Harry is on point mentioning the Slots Battle Phenomena (I have thought in the past when I have noticed it, maybe I had imagined it this whole time... I kept pondering well, there must be a trick or strategy to winning these Battles surely cos that dude finishing on like 112,000 pts and here's me with 976 measly coins like oh thanks for coming)

Its not a long-term observation for me and without applying any sort of stat or in-depth observation over time, I definitiely agree, the VS Battle Slots somehow awesome payouts/spins/features you can trigger in a Freeroll at 10/20c spins is pretty ridic. I have done it myself-Go Bananas, Wonky Wabbits and South Park are a few I can remember because of this exact phenomena!! I had never played any of them prior to the Battle and blown away with the all the happenings and coin bursts and so forth I would give them a shot in real play.... Only with the exception of Go Bananas where my first attempts did hit a couple of decent wins around $20-40 from memory, those Battle points could never be repeated with real funds LOL

On the Netent topic-I used to play loads of Netent games when I began playing at the start of my VS/Gut journeys... they seemed to hit FS or cute little bonus features all the time for me. Always fun and interesting bonus/free games kept my early slotting exciting cos I always got decent return for a 20/60c bet so it was great and entertaining! Netent but they are withiut fail one of the better providers-that always work nicely on mobile too. Dracula, JATB, King of Slots, Even Stickers and Dazzle Me had a few of my first little wins when I started slotting. Now, it's like do I? don't I? and if I do go in and play forget it! Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Twin Spin I have only even managed to win big when playing with a big bonus and WR where I have been a bit more reckless with the bet sizes than I would normally do. When I go back when on the realsie money, nope nothing.

And gosh... This one is enigmatic as yet for me... Can I be shown the light on this one as it baffles me! So... Please, DOA?! Can somebody enlighten me to the secret of this so muchly beloved slot? Maybe I am unlucky, maybe I am doing it wrong I dunno, but the more I see it on CM the more I think ooh i will have a go next time on the laptop and then its like loss, loss, little wins never covering my bets... Things spin but nothing happens arghhh!! So i have only dabbled sporadically, ranging between 9c and 90c spins, maybe I don't have the patience for this apparently magnificent game

Fact is we don't and probably will never know how the algorithms work for these slots. NT/MG/WMS etc. will surely not publish them.

My logical thinking made me pay attention and secondly, more importantly the mathematical probability for 1 player to have 8 bonus rounds + other features (nutnut's example) or several big wins, each well exceeding 100x bet within 100 spins (my example on Twin Spin), events that normally happen on average once every few 100 spins is maybe not in the region of hitting 6 numbers in the lottery, but surely so small that i find it hard to believe it is down to the players luck.

Just do the maths on the bonus rounds which have usually a 1:150-160 chance to hit, meaning on average you have one in that number of spins. That's 0.66 - 0.63% just to hit it, to get then repeatedly payouts higher than 100x bet adds another level. Hence the mathematical probability to hit them 8x / 100 spins and multiple big payouts in most of those rounds is just so astronomically small. That RNG to favor one or at most a few player/s so heavily just seems strange.

And i see them only happening when the battles on VS are very busy, e.g. the evening ones or during the freebie promo VS did now twice. Hmm, as i said, just makes me wonder sometimes

Now to your DOA part

This slot is one of the most boring slots every invented yet at the same time the most exciting one, simply for those 2 big events that can happen, WL or 5 x scatter. You are guaranteed to lose your deposits if you do not hit at least the 5 extra spins during your session, the question is only how long will your deposits last which depends on how often you get 5OAK's of symbols or bonus rounds with a few scattered wilds.

The secret is that DOA requires patience, patience, patience, the stamina to go through hours/days/weeks of sheer boredom, plenty of funds (if you play it on medium bets) and ultimately the simple, or rather not so simple luck to be playing at the right time.

E.g i hit 2 x 5 scatters within 1 hour last week and nothing since, not even once the 5 extra spins, let alone a complete WL; and i do play thousands of spins pretty much every day. Usually running on 1000 Autospins while i do other work related stuff.

 

[asm]

I guess I was lucky with my DOA, as I probably hit my wildline within 2000 spins in the entire machine. I've probably buried as much in it in the months after without hitting the wild line, but I've gotten many x500 - x1000 hits on it without the line or 5 scatters.

But Harry is right, it's the most boring and exciting game there is! The base game is a borefest but just wait till you get 4 wilds in a row with 6 spins to go to get the 5th. Personally I don't understand why it seems that Twinspin and Starburst are popular. Starburst is the worst offender when it comes to these two. At least getting a 243 symbol hit in twinspin makes up for it, I don't think I've ever even gone near 100x, and if you see 3 bars in reel 1 in starburst, it's time to stop the reels and go again because it's a dead spin.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I guess I was lucky with my DOA, as I probably hit my wildline within 2000 spins in the entire machine. I've probably buried as much in it in the months after without hitting the wild line, but I've gotten many x500 - x1000 hits on it without the line or 5 scatters.

But Harry is right, it's the most boring and exciting game there is! The base game is a borefest but just wait till you get 4 wilds in a row with 6 spins to go to get the 5th. Personally I don't understand why it seems that Twinspin and Starburst are popular. Starburst is the worst offender when it comes to these two. At least getting a 243 symbol hit in twinspin makes up for it, I don't think I've ever even gone near 100x, and if you see 3 bars in reel 1 in starburst, it's time to stop the reels and go again because it's a dead spin.

LOL, you were lucky. .....I went nearly 6 months and wasted some 20K before hitting the first 5x scatter and another 2 weeks after that to hit my first WL. Had to learn it the hard way that doing my normal bet sizes as on other 9-line slots (1.80 - 4.50) my deposits would be happily swallowed by DOA without even a sniff at a WL. ....from there it took me then a further 3 months to recover it all and put me some 10K ahead overall, thanks to a 20K hit at Redbet and 9.6K at Bet-At, which is going in and back out ever since. After 18 month of playing it heavily (average is appr. 3800 spins/day) i am currently still a few K ahead.

TBH i do not think Starburst to be the most popular slot. Twin Spin to be in the TOP10 i can see, yes.

The popularity is measured on the total spins/month on any particular slot. If we now think how often FS are given on Starburst, probably millions of spins every month. That alone makes it already popular because so many players are seeing and playing on it every day. I am sure that the majority will stay on Starburst after they finished the FS to give it a few more spins, hence adding again a significant number to the monthly tally.

 

[slotter999]

Just do the maths on the bonus rounds which have usually a 1:150-160 chance to hit.

This figure can actually vary quite a bit depending the machine. For example Steamtower is 1 - 84 chance of hitting free spins where as Drive is 1 - 200 so there is quite a bit variance there to consider. I don't have the figures to hand for average return for free spins on either of these machines but this is also quite important when considering how much value there is in chasing these things.