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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Bruno712, May 13, 2004.

    May 13, 2004
  1. Bruno712

    Bruno712 Banned User

    Boston, MA
    The results are in!

    Do us all a favor, please post the times when all NON rigged software is being used.
  2. May 13, 2004
  3. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Now you know that you have to learn to click at the right nano-second. I've found that the 19,131,071th nano-second always yields a BJ since it's a prime number. Please don't tell anyone.
  4. May 13, 2004
  5. VPL

    VPL Casino Representative

    Call Centre Manager
    South Africa
    No Rigged Software at VPL

    Hi Bruno712,

    Vegas Partner Lounge here,

    You can be assured that when you play with us, you will not be playing with rigged software, at ANY time.

    All our casinos are run on Microgamings trusted software, and play is reviewed by Price Waterhouse Coopers, one of the best. Our Payout percentages are posted on all our websites, free for all to see.

    On top of this, all 6 our casinos have been awarded the coveted eCogra seal of approval, which confirms that they are of the highest standard.

    Our 24/7 Support is always available for any query our players might have, because the player is after all the heart and soul of this entire industry.

    Our casinos are also on Casinomeister's "Reputable Casinos" list, which just goes to prove our point even further.

    As a matter of fact, our new Cash Splash Progressive slot paid out $48 000 just yeasterday!


    Vegas Partner Lounge
  6. May 13, 2004
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Did someone have a bad day at the tables?
  8. May 13, 2004
  9. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Vegas Partner Lounge;

    It's obvious to me that you are a novice when it comes to Internet Gaming.

    First off PriceWaterhouse Coopers only reviews the data that is compiled by Microgaming in the first place. There are no checks and/or balances in this system none, zip, zero, nada and the PriceWaterhouse Coopers logo is simply bought and paid for as a PR ploy.

    Lastly, this nonsense about the coveted eCOGRA seal is laughable and again another ploy that is bought and paid for by Microgaming.
    Last edited: May 13, 2004
  10. May 13, 2004
  11. Bruno712

    Bruno712 Banned User

    Boston, MA
    Right on Cipher!

    Dear Mr. Casino Guy,

    I happen to have worked in a profession where it was sometimes more vital to win my case by ommitting evidence than by presenting it. So, to, is it true with accounting. So take your P,W&C bs and find the nearest shredder. My accountant sees exactly what I want him to see and so does yours.

    I have decided rather than post the results of the BJ analysis (the one I have been talking about for the past month. Which was so skewed toward the casinos being crooked that even Kyle, the analyst, doubted the data.) I would post my results of future play, including casino, game, amount, time and date on a seperate website so as to not tarnish the good name of Bryan. The website is being created as we speak and it will not be anything more than what I just said. No ads, no links, no nuttin. Just my results and your comments.

    And, no, Bryan, I did not have a bad day at the tables. It is the results of the analysis of those 35,000+ BJ hands that has me picqued! (Did I mention I just had a heart attack two weeks ago. That may have something to do with my rather foul mood too, lol.)
  12. May 13, 2004
  13. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    First of all, just concentrate on getting better. Very sorry to hear of your misfortune.

    Perhaps, at some point, you might still post the results, or even logs, you already have. Hope so, anyway.

    May I ask the primary reason, you are choosing to go forward with future play only? If it's as bad as you say it is, I don't think I'd invest anymore than you already have at whatever casino this is.
  14. May 13, 2004
  15. Bruno712

    Bruno712 Banned User

    Boston, MA
    Thanks Clay...

    for your kind words and concern.

    I will probably email them to you and the rest of the regulars here as soon as I get the time to put it all together in a packet.

    I have stopped playing BJ at the 4 casinos concerned. But I believe the problem is more of a pandemic than just those 4, IMHO. Time will tell.

    Doing the website will be a relaxing way to recover and to help me give my best effort to stop with the 3 pack a day thing. Which, not meaning to preach here, is the most difficult thing I have ever had to do. I quit booze a lot of 24 hours ago. I quit the other stuffs about 10 years before that, but trust me, quitting the butts is the most difficult thing I have ever attempted. I have, thus far, bit my nails down to the nub and I am currently working on the German Shepherds. I am wearing a patch the size of a manhole cover and take about 17 Wellbutrin a day. AND I STILL WANT MY SMOKES!!!!!
  16. May 13, 2004
  17. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    I quit those damn sticks a couple of years back only because at the time I was in mortal pain from a badly infected tooth and the oral surgeon said he would not operate on it unless I agreed not to smoke for at least 10 days as he could not accept the liability of the smoke causing further infection to the site. The long and short of it is that I pretty much lived on viccadin for the better of those 10 days and fortunately after that I was able to keep from starting up again. Best of luck on both issues Michael.

    I'll be with you in sprit though come Monday morning as I'm getting my second total knee replacement. Have a good one.
  18. May 14, 2004
  19. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    I have to second every word of that. What a very, very silly post to make by an otherwise well run group in a forum they should know is populated with by and large informed players.

    And what a disrespectful piece of spam. Go peddle your fairy stories on the ezeboards, VPL.
  20. May 14, 2004
  21. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Which casinos make up the VPL group anyway?
  22. May 14, 2004
  23. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Please PM me or e-mail whenever you are ready to send them. I'm not sure I see the point of never saying who these casinos are or never publicizing the results and/or logs. If they are as bad as you say, you could be doing the community a service. Anyway, all in good time.

    I think I've read that once monkeys were programmed to get their drug by pushing on a button that, when deprived of the drug, they would hit the button up to 10,000 times hoping to get more of the drug. They hit the button for the longest period of time when deprived of cocaine, then nicotine, then heroin hoping for a shot. I think they would risk their lives by crossing an area guarded by a natural predator just to get the chance to hit the button.

    I have a patch on as I write hoping to break my nicotine addiction. Two weeks now with a minor relapse, if there is such a thing.

    Good luck to you - it ain't easy but I know you can do it.
  24. May 14, 2004
  25. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Not sure if it was monkeys, but definately rats have been known to do that. Probably monkeys too. And us gamblers! We'll keep hitting spin on the slot machine hoping for a win ;)
  26. May 14, 2004
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Old smokers, knee replacements, heart attacks, substance abuse and addicts - man, sounds like the front lobby of the "Old Soldiers Home". I'd expect everyone to start beating each other with their canes when they get riled :D

    Seriously, Bruno712 my thoughts are with you through your recovery - and more power to you on quitting. I was a smoker from the age of a stupid teenager until I hit thirty. I said the hell with it and quit "cold turkey". I had to modify my behaviour and even quit drinking beer and cofee for two weeks. If I got through two weeks without my evil trio, I knew I was good to go. After two weeks I allowed myself beer and coffee as a reward, and have never smoked (cigarettes) since then (15 years).

    BTW, good luck on the new knee, Cipher!

    Now, back to the topic. I'm sure most everyone will be anticipating the report. But please bear in mind the difficulties a lot of people had with the True Gambler report last year - it was real mess mainly (in my opinion) because it was presented prematurely without much thought on the presentation itself. It was not presented in a way that gave it much credence. Lessons learned from that mess.

    And like it was implied before, the Vegas Partners group is a very responsive, well run organization, whose operators have a rather high profile in the gaming industry. I usually meet with them several times a year. Their casinos are the following:
    Crazy Vegas Casino
    Sun Vegas Casino
    Aurthurian Casino
    Cinema Casino

    And please don't rag too much on their rep here. He was only doing his job. :D
  28. May 14, 2004
  29. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Devil's Advocate
    Ouch... sorry to hear of your heart attack... but glad and hoping you will be able to make quitting smoking work.

    I'm kind of used to stopping for longish periods, like when I get on planes, or during conferences... but I still think it would be hard for me to give up entirely, although actually I've been thinking about it myself. Best of luck to you with that.

    I would like to see the report as well. And I think the VPL post was out of place as well but I side with Bryan - they are generally quite responsive and definitely honest in my opinion.

    Cipher... ow... LOL... glad my dentist doesn't give me that kind of ultimatum since I had to have a whole lot of work done recently. Best of luck with the knee replacement!
  30. May 14, 2004
  31. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

    Vegas partner group is on the up and up. From Bruno712's posts I didn't see any indication that "VP casinos are cheating". Why drag them into this mess?
    I'd like to see the whole record if it is possible. The important thing is to analyze the record as whole, not just the selected rare events.
    Before we see the record and the analysis yet to come, bear in mind that the player has already lost quite a bit so this event is not common. While some players had a bad day on the table, it's very likely most players won't loose as much. Some lucky players might even be able to break even.
    Unlike true gambler's analysis, I am sure many posters here can analysis his record at the same time. If their results agree with each other, I am confident to say their results should be error free.
    Let's see what the data looks like.
    ps: Clayman if you get the record and would like a second opinion, please forward them to me.
  32. May 14, 2004
  33. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    I'm kinda curious to see them as well. Bruno, you can do Save-As in Excel to convert the logs to HTML. That should help you post them on your website quickly. Let us know when its up and running.

    HHC, nobody 'dragged' VPL into this, they interjected themselves into it voluntarily.
  34. May 14, 2004
  35. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

    somewhere :)
    Poor you guys, nicotine addiction, knee replacement, heart attack .....
    ..... you have my sympathy! Good luck to you guys with all your major
    body repairs!

    Oh I would also like to see the analyses whenever you are ready!
  36. May 15, 2004
  37. dirk_dangerous

    dirk_dangerous Dormant account

    I wish I could trust Microgaming casinos, but I don't. There is just something fishy about their Blackjack and VP games. Crazy Vegas and their other casinos have me vexed. I don't know of a single person who has hit a Royal Flush at Crazy Vegas. If you have hit a Royal at CV, please post. I'd like to know it's possible.
  38. May 15, 2004
  39. Jblack

    Jblack Dormant account


    I believe I have seen a screen shot posted by the Meister winning an royal at Crazy Vegas

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