Thinking somethings changed at Microgaming

[funky_seagull]

Just a thought, but if the games are rigged and overly biased. Then there might be a way to turn this to a player's advantage.

In roulette, if you place $5 bets on 2nd 2-1, 3rd 2-1 and on 2nd 12 and 3rd 12. That will leave the numbers 1, 4, 7, 10 and zero not covered. If the server thinks it needs to land on those numbers to make you lose. You could place just small $1 bets on those 5 numbers and maybe it will think because you have more money on the middle bets it will repeatedly land on one of those 5 numbers making you a $7 profit... you would need to keep shifting the middle bets and 2-1's regularly, perhaps after every 2 - 3 wins ... and it probably wouldn't work the first time, so you would need to play as normal for the first 10 minutes and then try it out when the game suddenly increases in difficulty.

Maybe after a few goes you could start to influence where you want the ball to land, and turn the disadvantage into an advantage... best to try it in fun mode though... as if it only lands on the numbers 75% of the time, need to work out a way to ride out the 25% when it doesn't. And if the system isn't rigged it won't work at all....

 

[Rusty]

If it was corrupt there would be no way to beat it.
It could simply calculate total payout on all 37 numbers in a fraction of a second and return the lowest paying one.
Of course such a blatant cheat would be very quickly discovered so any cheats would be far more sophisticated (if they existed)

 

[funky_seagull]

I've just lost my last 200 chasing a dream.... now skint, 10,000 in debt, no job, bad health and a family to support. Wish to God I had never got into gambling. Now I have hit rockbottom and just want to curl up somewhere and die...

 

[oyw7862]

Hang on there mate, things are tough, but I sure you that you will pass this difficulty. It is just money, everything you want you can spend time to get it. Do not depress yourself. Trust me, you owe the bank money, it is the bank 's problem.

 

[winbig]

seagull, Do yourself a favor and close your accounts at all casinos, and stay away from gambling until you can get back on your feet.

But, trust me, it will get better. I've been there many times in the past.


and...

WTF?


Can someone run the numbers:

12 hands of Atlantic City BJ, 4 of which the dealer draws to 21??????

Small sample, but again, WTF?

edit: I was wrong, it was 5 21's......Details:

4 showing, I have 12, 21 end

8 showing, I have 20, 21 end

5 showing, I double to 20, 21 end

5 showing, I have 17, 21 end

7 showing, I have 19, 21 end

 

[oyw7862]

Before someone comes to clean up the issue, stay away.
Even if it was software mulfunction, little chance to be given any comp by MG.
The damage can not be un-done. Both to MG and players.

 

[Rusty]

and coincidently we have a mega win at MG posted in the online Casino thread right at this time. (I am 100% sure that is genuine by the way)
Just freaks me out thats all.

 

[oyw7862]

I thought that too.
I had that festure too just 1 reel missing, the second reel blocked by Ram on thunderstuck.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Just a thought, but if the games are rigged and overly biased. Then there might be a way to turn this to a player's advantage.

There is

 

[RobWin]

There is

Share your thoughts on this vinyl...

 

[tim5ny]

I don't know? Back in the day when I could play Microgaming......most of the times it wasn't pretty. This is long before the U.S. ban. Sure..there were great hits along the way to a final loss, but I doubt that's changed. The next session you have might be a banner one! Let's not forget who has the advantage in this game overall. For the player, losing is the mathematical guarantee, and the certainties of math are just as solid as the laws of gravity. Are you having fun though??

 

[vinylweatherman]

Share your thoughts on this vinyl...

I already did

I examined a slot in great detail, and found it to be far more "authentic" a reproduction of the real thing than I expected to find online in what is supposedly RANDOM software.

A few other brave players tried some of my ideas, but got their fingers burned, so decided the game was shite.

I have continued my play, on and off, and with all the other games at MG seeming to have turned bad, I played this certain game more and more.

I have had a few recent sessions where I have won more than I put in, then a dry spell when it played badly, but now it seems to have improved somewhat.

May just be down to luck, as MG would tell us, but if I have "found something", I can expect "problems" with my withdrawals

 

[RobWin]

I already did

I examined a slot in great detail, and found it to be far more "authentic" a reproduction of the real thing than I expected to find online in what is supposedly RANDOM software.

A few other brave players tried some of my ideas, but got their fingers burned, so decided the game was shite.

I have continued my play, on and off, and with all the other games at MG seeming to have turned bad, I played this certain game more and more.

I have had a few recent sessions where I have won more than I put in, then a dry spell when it played badly, but now it seems to have improved somewhat.

May just be down to luck, as MG would tell us, but if I have "found something", I can expect "problems" with my withdrawals

Ok,,, I think I do recall what you are talking about now when I remember awhile back you were posting regarding your results...

 

[steinhaug]

If it was corrupt there would be no way to beat it.
It could simply calculate total payout on all 37 numbers in a fraction of a second and return the lowest paying one.
Of course such a blatant cheat would be very quickly discovered so any cheats would be far more sophisticated (if they existed)

My thoughts excactly. By now most people know I have my theory on how this works, and you can stack layers on layers here with different mechanics which make the end result. To put it simple I belive this is what is going on.

By default - the system works the way it's supposed to work. Then, after x spins, the 95% payout flattening model is activated. This means that above 95% and the system will serve you randomly bad sessions. Below randomly good ones. In simple terms, all the system needs to do is make you not get that 1 win which would have made a difference! And, the other way, when things is to bad - infact so bad that it makes you wonder - you magically get that great streak again so you can't complain.

I believe there are no way to beat the system, except being lucky since the system is made for 95%.

Explaining myself in further detail would take a days work, and I would probably end up with 10 pages of numbers, programming lines and graphs, just to make my point clearly.

The annoying thing - it's just to easy creating a rigged system that is impossible to detect! And I am talking slots now - that is very important to remember!

 

[Rusty]

We are definately of the same opinion here Kimss and I don't think it is a coincidence that we both have a knowledge of computer programming.

We have both come to the same conlusion independently although we can never say the exact mechanics that are being used to "throttle" the payoyts because there are simply to many possible ways to achieve this.

I do not see the slots as "rigged" as I believe there is always a random element involved it is just that these results are skewed/weighted call it what you will and that this weighting is in itself dynamic.
For those that are less technically minded, think of it as a slider that slides down after a very good payout and up after a very poor session thus regulating your play.
The slider could aslo be slid right down so you win barely anything and then right up so you just keep hitting to create an artificial streak in order to make the games more excciting.

Any of this seem familiar to the way your slots play?

Maybe we should not complain, after all on a truely random slot you could have horrendous session after horrendous session without getting any fun or payback but then you would probably never play again.

On the flip side you could hit a streak of big wins that put you well infront of your overall deposits, imagine a Whale hitting a streak like that, goodnight Casino!

 

[tim5ny]

My thoughts excactly. By now most people know I have my theory on how this works, and you can stack layers on layers here with different mechanics which make the end result. To put it simple I belive this is what is going on.

By default - the system works the way it's supposed to work. Then, after x spins, the 95% payout flattening model is activated. This means that above 95% and the system will serve you randomly bad sessions. Below randomly good ones. In simple terms, all the system needs to do is make you not get that 1 win which would have made a difference! And, the other way, when things is to bad - infact so bad that it makes you wonder - you magically get that great streak again so you can't complain.

I believe there are no way to beat the system, except being lucky since the system is made for 95%.

Explaining myself in further detail would take a days work, and I would probably end up with 10 pages of numbers, programming lines and graphs, just to make my point clearly.

The annoying thing - it's just to easy creating a rigged system that is impossible to detect! And I am talking slots now - that is very important to remember!

So you're saying that they love our money more than they love us? Ouch!! And I thought my good looks and charm would grant me a win or two!