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In EU and UK I don`t so, but I`m worried about the average american though! They seem to think he is the "bomb"....if you get my drift.
The murder (?) of a Iranian terrorist
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Yes I don't think we've seen the end of this potential conflict, just read an article on CNN titled
"Donald Trump takes the off-ramp in Iran confrontation (for now)"
senator moscow mitch is quoted as saying:
"As a superpower, we have the capacity to exercise restraint and to respond at a time and place of our choosing, if need be."
So Trump was never going to announce the commencement of formal hostilities, it'll happen at some point down the road, in the middle of the night, maybe after he wins the 2020 election. IMO he's taking his lead from the generals and the pentagon as to the timing rather than the other way round, even though going to war should be a political decision. This is why he's hard to read I think, because he's voicing other people's thoughts and opinions, the twitter comments the other day was his real intent, today's speech was written for him as more subterfuge and smoke to allay public fear or worry.
It will be interesting to see if the americans/allied forces do leave Iraq soon, he didn't seem too keen on that idea the other day, saying he would slap crippling sanctions on Iraq - some friend!
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That comment about Iraq or rather thread is shocking. Even for his standards!
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Another thing that is contradictory, he apparently wants to negotiate a new nuclear deal with iran...
"we must all work together toward making a deal with Iran that makes the world a safer and more peaceful place"
That was from today's speech and yet how does he expect to be able to sit down with a country's govt, after blowing up their national hero into small pieces...it's nonsensical.
"we must all work together toward making a deal with Iran that makes the world a safer and more peaceful place"
That was from today's speech and yet how does he expect to be able to sit down with a country's govt, after blowing up their national hero into small pieces...it's nonsensical.
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Plus, this is what Rand Paul said after being briefed by the WH about the legal justification for the assassination!
"In the briefing and in public, this administration has argued that the vote to topple Saddam Hussein in 2002 applies to military action in Iraq. That is absurd. Nobody in their right mind -- with a straight face, with an ounce of honesty -- can argue when Congress voted to go after Saddam Hussein in 2002 that (they) authorized military force against an Iranian general 18 years later."
"There was no specific information given to us of a specific attack. Generality -- stuff that you read in the newspaper. I didn't learn anything in the hearing that I hadn't seen in a newspaper already."
No surprise. The WH lied again about imminent attacks.
As for Mr T wanting a new Iran deal, that is how he has worked all his life. First, the bulldozer to make people bow to him, then make them agree to what he wants. That for him is then winning!
Ask the 100s of contractors he treated that way who never so a penny for their work.
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From everything I have stated and facts you can check from your own government like the Iranian 1953 coup is all from RT right? I give you one RT video where you can see raw footage which you can also see in other mainstream media outlets.
I post a video from Mike pompeo about him admitting that they are lying and cheating.. nothing. 9-11 terror attack and all the other sunni wahabi extremist attacks on Western soil.. nope still blame the Iranians while you are balls deep in a relationship with the biggest Sunni wahabi terror sponsors of the world that can kill American Saudi journalists in (other) countries without Trump giving a fuck.
He even threatened the world to use his veto to help his Saudi friend out. Bombing the shit out of Yemen is also ok, support more war crimes from SA.
Something doesn't make sense. Talking about propaganda... Sad. You are as brainwashed as they come.
Where are all the native Americans? Calling Iranians terrorist while the US has only survived because of wars. You think you can control the middle East but you can't and never will.
I post a video from Mike pompeo about him admitting that they are lying and cheating.. nothing. 9-11 terror attack and all the other sunni wahabi extremist attacks on Western soil.. nope still blame the Iranians while you are balls deep in a relationship with the biggest Sunni wahabi terror sponsors of the world that can kill American Saudi journalists in (other) countries without Trump giving a fuck.
He even threatened the world to use his veto to help his Saudi friend out. Bombing the shit out of Yemen is also ok, support more war crimes from SA.
Something doesn't make sense. Talking about propaganda... Sad. You are as brainwashed as they come.
Where are all the native Americans? Calling Iranians terrorist while the US has only survived because of wars. You think you can control the middle East but you can't and never will.
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Here is one of the main reasons for the assassination.
Facebook AD run by the Trump campaign after the killing, lauding himself. People are then asked to sign up, giving, of course, all their contact data so they can be flooded by more "divine" messages from the "Chosen One".
Perfidy perfected and delivered by Mr T's worshippers.
Facebook AD run by the Trump campaign after the killing, lauding himself. People are then asked to sign up, giving, of course, all their contact data so they can be flooded by more "divine" messages from the "Chosen One".
Perfidy perfected and delivered by Mr T's worshippers.
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There's no barrel deep enough for trump to scrape, I could be wrong but I get the sense he wasn't quite expecting that level of mourning in Iran, and he's taken a risk here which he needn't have done, on top of the impeachment stuff.
People in the US are very patriotic but I'm sure some even on the republican side will be thinking 'hmm was this such a good idea, setting all these people strongly against us for the sake of taking out 1 general??'
Maybe I'm being too optimistic there given the amount of propaganda people end up consuming over the years, even if they don't specifically go looking for it.
I have a lot of time for Rand Paul, he's not frightened to go against the prevailing wisdom, certainly not a dick cheney style republican. Ted Cruz has disappointed me, I thought he had a bit more of an individual mind and was interested in law and the constitution, but it looks like he's maneuvering for another shot at the top job when Trump goes, so saying things to please the party's top echelons.
People in the US are very patriotic but I'm sure some even on the republican side will be thinking 'hmm was this such a good idea, setting all these people strongly against us for the sake of taking out 1 general??'
Maybe I'm being too optimistic there given the amount of propaganda people end up consuming over the years, even if they don't specifically go looking for it.
I have a lot of time for Rand Paul, he's not frightened to go against the prevailing wisdom, certainly not a dick cheney style republican. Ted Cruz has disappointed me, I thought he had a bit more of an individual mind and was interested in law and the constitution, but it looks like he's maneuvering for another shot at the top job when Trump goes, so saying things to please the party's top echelons.
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Don't worry John the media and govt in the Uk have attacked RT a lot, and when you throw enough 'sh*t some sticks, if I watch RT I know it's going to have a pro russian govt background just like the bbc will be pro uk govt, but it doesn't mean all the info and opinion RT report is wrong, I just take that into account and try to see if what I'm being told makes sense or gives me another perspective.
The mainstream media in the uk and west is becoming laughably bad at trying to brainwash the public on different issues, for years iran being one of them ...and yet we aren't sat here quaking in our boots about the evil threat of iran, which they keep trying to convince us to be.
It's all to do with the various competing factions in that region, for example, we the UK have aligned ourselves to KSA but we can hardly say they are morally superior to the iranians. KSA killing and chopping up a journalist with a bonesaw, or lopping off people's heads in the street, is not the kind of country/kingdom you'd be proud and happy as a civilised nation to say 'this is one of our best allies and partners in the region' and yet we routinely do
the world's gone mad. 
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Reading the mail headlines just now and it looks like the iranians may have shot it down by accident, one of the air defense systems believing it to be a hostile object, if true, in a way if Trump hadn't assassinated Soleimani those people would still be alive, an unintended consequence but a consequence none the less, of all this tit for tat silliness between a superpower and a 2nd world country [no offence to iranians meant]
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It's a shit show.
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I found it pretty weird they kept the airport/airspace open during a time where they could expect retaliation just after firing missiles themselves.
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Many will say Trump wasn't too blame as the iranians could've left things alone, but killing soleimani was probably the most provocative action he could take short of attacking mainland iran itself...maybe some good will come out of all of this, it'll shake people on both sides into the realisation things can't continue to carry on as they have, it's always the ordinary citizens trying to go about their lives who suffer the most
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Some time away and come back to find the spirit of Harry has possessed Mack
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It’s fine, I see Playford’s banned so I’m confident I’m not in one of the Man in the High Castles alternative realities
Phew
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Seems like Ukraine and Iran are going to investigate the crash together with International parties that also investigated MH17.
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Some time away and come back to find the spirit of Harry has possessed Mack
I know it's my new debating/brainwashing technique I'm trying out to confuse Harry, he has to read my posts at least twice now before choosing which emoji response
.... [ just joking, I've thrown the towel in with Trump he's given me a ride for 2 or 3 years and that's it, I still find it hard to support the democrats but you never know 
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I know it's my new debating/brainwashing technique I'm trying out to confuse Harry, he has to read my posts at least twice now before choosing which emoji response
Both Democrats and Republicans are warmongers. Maybe Bernie is the least trouble but he looks like he is dying already.
I still believe both are controlled by the shadow government once they are in a place of real power. Conspiracy level 100
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Thinking of joining Scientology to meet tom cruise and some other Hollywood stars, make friends with Hollywood, become rich and post streams like the very legit roshtein at 50 Euro bet each spin.
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Seriously John give it up ffs you’ve been watching to much of the x files next you’ll be trying to tell us elvis is still alive......
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Wait.. wait... Isn't he living it up with 2Pac?
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Lmao. When I state facts which you can look up for yourself like the one in your official government records that have been released you can't say shit. When I ask about those weapons of mass destruction from Saddam you won't say shit.
However when I make a joke you are here to let me know that I should stop.. what exactly? Someone is triggered. Just pick up your weapons already ranger and head to Iran to fight some Iranian Army personnel or terrorists as you would like to call them. The anger and frustration is strong with this one.
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I’m not buying it.
do you really think it was the iranians?
and By Mistake....
do you really think it was the iranians?
and By Mistake....
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It is quite funny that the US is yet again the first to show the fingers towards Iran, yet does not show any evidence. They simply ask us to believe them.
According to the US, the plane was shot by 2 SA-15 missiles. These are huge babies built to destroy an aircraft not for it to come down in one piece. Remember the Malaysian Air, that broke up immediately in the air in came down in pieces. Here's a pic of the missile, 3 m long.
Now, here's a video saying that it is the moment of impact. The plane goes dark after what looks like an explosion. Very doubtful if two missiles impacted the plane, that it would first just go dark (it was full to the brim with fuel) and then "sail" towards the ground and not fall like a stone.
I know tensions are 'heightened' but are we seriously to believe the Iranians mistook it for a B-52 bomber and/ or just launched missiles at it
Given the 'floaty' descent described by Harry wouldn't it likely be engine failure/ something onboard the plane?
Questions questions
Given the 'floaty' descent described by Harry wouldn't it likely be engine failure/ something onboard the plane?
Questions questions
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I know tensions are 'heightened' but are we seriously to believe the Iranians mistook it for a B-52 bomber and/ or just launched missiles at it
Given the 'floaty' descent described by Harry wouldn't it likely be engine failure/ something onboard the plane?
Questions questions
The US has apparently a record showing that the Iranian radar locked onto the aircraft. They could simply show the evidence but so far nada, just like for the ship mines, the downed drone, the missiles hitting the SA oil installations, etc, etc. They always point fingers and talk like it is all proven, yet nobody ever sees any evidence. All "super classified"!
Booooooris was quick to jump on it too, just as well as Trudeau. Yet no one shows a shred of evidence but talks like they know it all. Why not bring it all out so the world can see that evidence?
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Plus, this kind of findings usually take days/weeks as they go through tons of data, satellite pics, radar recordings etc etc to make sure they know exactly what happened. Here again, just like in the above mentioned cases, suddenly they can say it with certainty within 24 hours.
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Absolutely sad.
What I do not understand is that the military has usually the best radar equipment, primary and secondary. Every aircraft has a transponder transmitting constantly its identifier. Being so close to Iran's main airport, I am sure the military there has a direct information channel for flights taking off or landing.
The flight progressed according to the normal routing, no deviation to potentially confuse somebody on the radar.
And then they send two, not one SA-15 missile. They are an older Russian model but have been improved for accuracy. The things cost a few quid, so to shoot two where one is sufficient adds to my doubts that it was the Iranians.
I could put a theory out there that a CIA operative with a portable missile launcher shot it down to blame it on the Iranians. Trust me I have proof which I will never show to anyone!
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It's clear some media outlets are jumping on it to get blame established in people's minds early doors, I tend to think if the plane turned around and was heading back to the airport, a missile battery may have gone off in the heightened paranoia/panic.
It won't have been a deliberate shoot down, of that I'm sure, that would be the action of a lunatic.
I was reading on the bbc news website about some of the victims they know of so far, parents and children, it's very sad and distressing, which then makes me more annoyed when articles are clearly using it as just another way of scoring points in a propaganda war, a means to an end they can't resist.
One thing I noticed similar to the previous two iraq wars, is a large article appearing in the newpaper which looks at the different strengths of army, it always exaggerates the opposing side's capability to make them appear more of a threat to us. So when I saw that I thought 'yes war is on it's way', the public is being prepared for it.
By hook or by crook, it will happen unless the Iranians capitulate and give the west everything they want in a new deal. They would probably also be required to walk away from syria and the lebanon and I can't see them agreeing to that.
It won't have been a deliberate shoot down, of that I'm sure, that would be the action of a lunatic.
I was reading on the bbc news website about some of the victims they know of so far, parents and children, it's very sad and distressing, which then makes me more annoyed when articles are clearly using it as just another way of scoring points in a propaganda war, a means to an end they can't resist.
One thing I noticed similar to the previous two iraq wars, is a large article appearing in the newpaper which looks at the different strengths of army, it always exaggerates the opposing side's capability to make them appear more of a threat to us. So when I saw that I thought 'yes war is on it's way', the public is being prepared for it.
By hook or by crook, it will happen unless the Iranians capitulate and give the west everything they want in a new deal. They would probably also be required to walk away from syria and the lebanon and I can't see them agreeing to that.
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The US has apparently a record showing that the Iranian radar locked onto the aircraft. They could simply show the evidence but so far nada, just like for the ship mines, the downed drone, the missiles hitting the SA oil installations, etc, etc. They always point fingers and talk like it is all proven, yet nobody ever sees any evidence. All "super classified"!
Booooooris was quick to jump on it too, just as well as Trudeau. Yet no one shows a shred of evidence but talks like they know it all. Why not bring it all out so the world can see that evidence?
Canadian prime minister :
"The families of the victims and all Canadians want answers. I want answers. That means closure, transparency, accountability, and justice — and this government will not rest until we get that."
Is that too much to ask , doesn’t look like he has any answers?
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Rodger that but fortunately for me I’ve served my time and will never have to step foot in the shit hole that is Iraq ever again don’t get me wrong I had a GREAT time the 2 times I was there but then the lawyers started getting involved and our hands were tied (so to speak)
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Well, looks like I have to eat my words this time as I said initially "no way it was an Iranian missile".
Rouhani just issued a statement that they indeed shot the plane down unintentionally. Sad chain of events.
Rouhani just issued a statement that they indeed shot the plane down unintentionally. Sad chain of events.
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Yep they did shot down the plane.
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Classic yet it was still the fault of trump for warmongering?? that’s after they said it had flown near a”sensitive military centre”did the radar Operators forget to switch it on when he took over his shift? “Comical to say the least”
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So they were telling porkies then,too much evidence backed them into a corner and they had to come clean
in the end, should have admitted it straight away,can well believe it was human error but still very sad
in the end, should have admitted it straight away,can well believe it was human error but still very sad
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No surprise there then, im sure Trump will somehow still get the blame instead of these incompetent evil feckers!
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Well, the downing of the plane was the end of a chain reaction that started with Mr T killing the general. Or even before that when they bombed a camp after a US contractor was killed on a US base in Iraq.
These things can always spiral out of control or in a direction that is hard to predict. There is always though a starting point. If you read the agreement between the US and Iraq as to what they are allowed to do in the country militarily, you will see that Mr T broke the agreement by flying a drone attack on Iraqi soil without informing the Iraqi government. So yes, Mr T pretty much stands at the start of the chain reaction that ultimately led to the error on the Iranian side.
This is what Pompano said about the imminence of the attacks Soleimani was purportedly planning:
"There is no doubt that there were a series of imminent attacks being plotted by Qassem Soleimani. We don't know precisely when and we don't know precisely where, but it was real."
Basically BS. If you don't know when and where, how can you say it was imminent????
Yes, I stand corrected. The Iranians really did shoot that civilian plane down like a bunch of trigger-happy morons
Shows what happens when one man sets tensions so high in a region that passenger planes become fair game
Shows what happens when one man sets tensions so high in a region that passenger planes become fair game
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Memorial service for two Canadians yesterday in my city. Sad to say the least. Newlyweds. They were friends with my good friend. She says they were good ppl. Masters in engineering. Kind. Generous. They just bought a house before Xmas to settle into their lives as a couple.
Makes it real when you actually know someone who knew people who die in these international incidents. They’re not just 34 Canadians dead in a plane crash headline. They are real people.
Makes it real when you actually know someone who knew people who die in these international incidents. They’re not just 34 Canadians dead in a plane crash headline. They are real people.
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If anyone's interested here's a good timeline. I know it is CNN but it is factual and rather spot on about how the US-Iran situation developed.
Please note the one part where the US supplied nuclear technology.
Please note the one part where the US supplied nuclear technology.
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We need to remember that technology is always something like 20 years ahead of what we get to know.The US has apparently a record showing that the Iranian radar locked onto the aircraft. They could simply show the evidence but so far nada, just like for the ship mines, the downed drone, the missiles hitting the SA oil installations, etc, etc. They always point fingers and talk like it is all proven, yet nobody ever sees any evidence. All "super classified"!
Booooooris was quick to jump on it too, just as well as Trudeau. Yet no one shows a shred of evidence but talks like they know it all. Why not bring it all out so the world can see that evidence?
Do we really think that drones for example were a recent invention?
