Streamers, is it real?

[BrianGhattas]

...the chats full of weird old men acting like 13 year olds in chat spamming shit and arguing like its some 14 year olds minecraft stream whilst the streamer says hello youtubeeee, cringe.

The problem right there with streams and the more popular you are, the more of these guys you see in the chat. Lame emoji battles, misogyny and cringe worthy pictures are popular with this crowd.

 

[lockinlove]

Same..Well not a pro player but I was and still am a good player.
Sometimes still go to tournaments in Dublin where there is a 1st prize of 30k for grabs but the tourneys last too long if you have a 40h a week job and kids to raise.
It was easier when I was single.

Also me and my brother made good money years ago at Victor Chandler & Full Tilt by playing cash games or decent sit 'n go tourneys.

I used to make a killing playing poker. I played on paddypower and pokerstars and multi tabled cash games huge. But it drained me emotionally. I got very tired. And I quit. Ive tried to return but its just too boring now that Ive found slots.

But yeah the hours I had to put in grinding, I had zero life. And its 100% true that players will soft play you when they know you are a female. I never took advantage of it but I could tell.

 

[lockinlove]

The problem right there with streams and the more popular you are, the more of these guys you see in the chat. Lame emoji battles, misogyny and cringe worthy pictures are popular with this crowd.

Thats one of the reasons I dont go into the bigger channels. Some of the people found in the chat are pathetic lol.

And people need to remember some of the people that have alot of viewers are because of what they give away. The amount of freeloaders looking for a handout on twitch are ridiculous. You watch the stream and the chat is somewhat normal. All of the sudden raffle time you get hundreds of lurkers coming out of the woodworks and when the raffle is over hundreds leave right away and off to the next stream looking for something free.

Ive won a couple raffles only to be whispered by dozens of people begging for my freespins.

This might not be a popular opinion but it might explain why nickslots has so many. Because I find that guy a huge turn off to watch. He basically insults his chat and laughs at them. Seems very arrogant. When he first started he seemed nice and I followed him but as soon as he started to grow because he was offering raffles, he became rude. So I unfollowed him and havent been back. he never did anything to me but I just didnt like how he acted.

I remember the exact thing that turned me off. Well it was a few things but then someone asked what his wife thinks of him streaming and gambling for a day job. And his response "who gives a fuck what she thinks. Im a grown man and Ill do as I please so it doesnt matter what she says" and he actually looked angry.

I dunno just didnt like that and how he acts. Ive seen lots of others say the same about him but ive seen others defend him.

Shirox is another one that is fairly popular that I dont watch. Mostly, I cant handle his complaining and whining all the time. Gets like a 800x and gets upset that he didnt win more.

Different strokes and all that.

 

[SlotGrinder]

The point is i see the insane bets and amounts they play with and ofcourse any normal person would react and ask a question about it? Do you find that unfair of me? I am not accusing them of anything. Im just saying how on earth can they afford this? Any normal person cannot afford to lose on average 500 euros 3 times a week. It will eventually end badly.

Wins or not, me nor any of you know their financial situation BUT to play and lose this sorts of amounts even a person with a above average sallary would get into trouble really fast.

Depends what you see as "normal" . I know plenty of people who win or lose $1000s at poker each week if not daily and they're not wealthy people it's just the way they live - so if they play casino or do sportsbetting they tend to bet big as well there also . Dedicated gamblers just see gambling money differently . It's weird because they will still choose a cheaper option in a restaurant if it means saving $5 even though they'll happily risk 100x that much on a casino session Real world money is different to gambling money

 

[interlog]

Shirox is another one that is fairly popular that I dont watch. Mostly, I cant handle his complaining and whining all the time. Gets like a 800x and gets upset that he didnt win more.

Different strokes and all that.

He is actually a very nice person in my opinion.

But I get what you're saying about it. I put it down as his sense of humour which is rather dry.

 

[SPOPPLE]

The problem right there with streams and the more popular you are, the more of these guys you see in the chat. Lame emoji battles, misogyny and cringe worthy pictures are popular with this crowd.

hahahaha fucking right, spending 10 minutes showing really lame photoshopped pictures. Why are people even doing that? its so peculiar.

 

[lockinlove]

He is actually a very nice person in my opinion.

But I get what you're saying about it. I put it down as his sense of humour which is rather dry.

Hey I checked out your stream a couple weeks ago. Its pretty good I enjoy it, you seem pretty personable. Its actually one I keep my eye out for but havent seen you lately. Im assuming thats because of the break you took from videoslots.

Do you regret doing that? I know I usually do lol

 

[interlog]

Hey I checked out your stream a couple weeks ago. Its pretty good I enjoy it, you seem pretty personable. Its actually one I keep my eye out for but havent seen you lately. Im assuming thats because of the break you took from videoslots.

Do you regret doing that? I know I usually do lol

Yes that was the reason. I will be back Sat morning and the Monday and Tuesday morning again

Regret it? Yes and no. No because I have a budget that I stick to and a deposit limit helps me with that. But also yes because I do miss the streaming.

 

[ricky]

Agree on that...
He is in my opinion an example of someone who has issues with gambling or he is putting up one hell of a show (playing with fake money / casino funds).
He thrashes 1000's on Roulette an BJ and plays like 20-100 quid spins on Fruitwarp...


He is actually one of the streamers I do not like one bit...

Some streamers are nice to watch and play normal bets like I would do which makes them fun to watch...

These highrollers, meh not interested.

i think he gambles with his affiliate income so its ok, he does like £300 deposits

 

[rocknrollax]

i think he gambles with his affiliate income so its ok, he does like £300 deposits

Its nice to know that people on here know I play with real money and some have followed from the beginning.

When I first started making video's on youtube it was purely for fun and a way of interacting with the small gambling community on there. It was also a way of calming my bets down a little, for example if I made a specific video titled £100 vs ruby slippers then for the purpose of the video I would leave it there if I lost the £100 rather than do my balls in chasing until a feature came in!! My bankroll for the first 8 months was £1000 per month and quite often I would lose the £1000 in one day and had to make that footage stretch until the next payday. I provided no affiliate links so the only income I had was my wages or winnings.

The big win of over 20k at mr green helped me massively with the bankroll and being able to stream more regularly. I never received one deposit bonus from them though plus had a dispute (which casinomeister helped me with, thankyou!!) that lasted 6 weeks so I left them. 21casino offered me a deal where I get a reload bonus anytime I want which I feel gives me a massive edge and can guarantee that I will stream around twice a week as its essentially doubling my money. Part of the deal I get with 21 is that if someone joins up through me then I get a small finders fee as it were and these really help with the deposits for streams, which going back to the original question is how most streamers will stay afloat.

In terms of the amount I bet when you've seen the big spins on roulette or slots its always with winnings and nearly always from small deposits. But I dont ever start at the stakes mentioned, if you watch my stream from Monday where I won £17,950 I start the slot spins at £1.80 and for the most part of the beginning most were under £5 per spin. Roulette I do go crazy on and it can either make or kill the stream, but if I do win then I will increase the stakes on the slots. For me I have detached myself from the money when I deposit and I just want have fun while also trying to hit something major! I have been very lucky with some hits I've had over the last few months and the majority have gone to the missus just incase I do have a lapse and go super degenerate which is always possible for me as I was a compulsive gambler!

There will come a time I'm sure when the bankroll want be as healthy and my stakes will stick to under £5 on slots, this Monday for example I'm planning on just 2x £200 deposits but if I do hit anything I will always use it to go for it!!

 

[jackanory2279]

rocknrollas stream does seem dodgy..
he seems to get his £200+ deposit match and gets his balance to like 3k "for 2nights stream" or. he might have kept depositing and trying for a large win.

he does look legit distressed when he gets big loses though.

 

[brianleeporter]

Been watching rocknrolla for a while.

He is one legit nice player. Bets big with a big balance when he winning.

And bets low when he has a low balance.

Like most people do.

There are loads of streamers on now and half of them are truly dodgy.

I only watch a select few who I think are legit.

 

[rocknrollax]

rocknrollas stream does seem dodgy..
he seems to get his £200+ deposit match and gets his balance to like 3k "for 2nights stream" or. he might have kept depositing and trying for a large win.

he does look legit distressed when he gets big loses though.

I quite often try and build a big balance for a stream and usually can take quite a few deposits and sometimes I don't manage to build anything! But I'm always honest, for example my last stream I had 3k balance but I lost my 1k balance and 3k worth of deposits to get it, I also showed at the beginning of the stream my account history to show how I got the balance and set up a command letting people know I was 3k in for tonight's balance!

 

[worldlad]

I do enjoy watching the Rockfella and I do think he is genuine, he has a very good deal with getting 100% back for each deposit he makes although surly if he had 6k in the balance he may as well withdraw that and deposit again to make it 12K, he also makes money from his affilliate link when users lose, but I pretty much certain his payouts are increased compared to other players to encourage more viewers to sign up as they believe it's a good casino.

When he plays the machines they do not play like that for the average player, but he says things which I do not believe and many of his fans have the same concern for example he has a couple of babies and a misses not once has anyone ever seen his family on camera considering he sits next to the kitchen for up to 8 hours each stream his house is near perfect not a single item out of place (odd considering he has a family), he just does not strike me as a typical 'straight' family father.

There is something very mysteries about him.

 

[rocknrollax]

I do enjoy watching the Rockfella and I do think he is genuine, it has a very good deal with getting 100% back for each deposit he makes although surly if he had 6k in the balance he may as well withdraw that and deposit again to make it 12K, he also makes money from his affilliate link when users lose, but I pretty much certain his payouts are increased compared to other players to encourage more viewers to sign up as they believe it's a good casino.

When he plays the machines they do not play like that for the average player, but he says things which I do not believe and many of his fans have the same concern for example he has a couple of babies and a misses not once has anyone ever seen his family on camera considering he sits next to the kitchen for up to 8 hours each stream his house is near perfect not a single item out of place (odd considering he has a family), he just does not strike me as a typical 'straight' family father.

There is something very mysteries about him.

I think everyone would agree here and knows that it is impossible for a legit casino to increase the payouts on slots/roulette to rig it.

With regards to the family stuff, I do my very best to keep my family and work away from it all. When I first started my channel my wife got a lot of grief via facebook from trolls and that is the reason I won't do social media anymore and is one of the conditions she has about me streaming. What you see of my house is just a fraction and why when I'm going to be on camera would I say have dirty dishes, clothes on show etc?? My 3 year old goes to bed at 7pm and the 1month old is attached to the missus who doesnt want to be seen on camera so does her work in the lounge when I stream. Anyways hope thats cleared it up and if those are your only concerns then its all good!

 

[ricky]

I do enjoy watching the Rockfella and I do think he is genuine, he has a very good deal with getting 100% back for each deposit he makes although surly if he had 6k in the balance he may as well withdraw that and deposit again to make it 12K, he also makes money from his affilliate link when users lose, but I pretty much certain his payouts are increased compared to other players to encourage more viewers to sign up as they believe it's a good casino.

When he plays the machines they do not play like that for the average player, but he says things which I do not believe and many of his fans have the same concern for example he has a couple of babies and a misses not once has anyone ever seen his family on camera considering he sits next to the kitchen for up to 8 hours each stream his house is near perfect not a single item out of place (odd considering he has a family), he just does not strike me as a typical 'straight' family father.

There is something very mysteries about him.

i think he does multiple deposits and the one that hits big he starts streaming off.

ie it would be boring to show a stream then lose his deposit

he does like 1% or under 1% bets(ie £30-50 spins when he had £15,000 in the bank) so he has a higher chance of 50x etc)

puts his losees on youtube

 

[Yorkstar]

Does seem the case, but does lose as was the case on wednesdays stream, some think watching streams is a bit geekish, but personally rocknrolla and the bandit Chanel have kept me of gambling for at least a month, although I did fall of the wagon last night I think after a pretty boozy session, only about 40 quid though.

These 2 channels are the only ones I really bother with, and they both seem very genuine chaps, the bandit is on a bad run look forward to a big win of him on the novamatics or wonky some time this week.

 

[bluebirdy]

i just found the ideal streamer for you guys to watch and he as all the 4 key points a streamer should have.
1. He plays with his own money
2. Hes not like any other streamer
3. He is already a legend
4. Hes such a nice guy
He strikes at the space bar with lightning speed to spin those reels (or just about taps it then again he might not tap at all)

He wont spam you with free spins or bonus offers

He even has something for the ladies hes an extremely good listener

And he as the added suspense that maybe he will fall over or jump of the desk knowing hes ended up on twitcher.


hes nearly ready for his next stream only down side he Only plays Netent as hes needs to hit the space bar


thirsty work this streaming malarkey

 

[videoslotheaven]

Also one thing i have noticed. Allot of these big name streamers seams to play lets say with a balance of 1000 euros and bet 5 a spin. Play fore hours. Everytime i do that its gone in 60 seconds Seams they are "always" lucky.

 

[lockinlove]

Yes that was the reason. I will be back Sat morning and the Monday and Tuesday morning again

Regret it? Yes and no. No because I have a budget that I stick to and a deposit limit helps me with that. But also yes because I do miss the streaming.

Yeah figured as much. You do a good job in your streams, I enjoy them especially the time you stream. Not many others are on I dont think. Im not able to catch many but I do check from time to time and watch for a little bit.

It looks like fun, I might give it a try.

 

[asm]

I don't understand the logic in suggesting Kim isn't honest. Now, I don't recall the exact figures he spoke about and I'm certainly not doing the math myself to please someone else, but he does frequently mention his losses which are kind of astronomical, and his RTP which is ridiculously low.

I wonder was it him or the casino that came up with the brilliant idea of a casino promotion where you lose a lot of money. Perhaps we will also see a twitch cigarette smoking channel where dudes contract and talk about cancer, makes about as much sense

 

[worldlad]

Also one thing i have noticed. Allot of these big name streamers seams to play lets say with a balance of 1000 euros and bet 5 a spin. Play fore hours. Everytime i do that its gone in 60 seconds Seams they are "always" lucky.

I'm almost certain the casino management and marketing department raises the payout for these popular streamers absolutely no doubt about it.

We all know that you can sit playing a feature machine for hours on end without a single feature or decent win, almost never happens with streamers, I've always said I don't mind losing but at least give me a good fun game so I can say my loss was worth it. When a machine is stone cold and takes takes takes takes without a bonus - this is when players feel robbed and angry, operators then take the 'gamble' to lose that customer for ever.

 

[SlotGrinder]

I'm almost certain the casino management and marketing department raises the payout for these popular streamers absolutely no doubt about it.

We all know that you can sit playing a feature machine for hours on end without a single feature or decent win, almost never happens with streamers, I've always said I don't mind losing but at least give me a good fun game so I can say my loss was worth it. When a machine is stone cold and takes takes takes takes without a bonus - this is when players feel robbed and angry, operators then take the 'gamble' to lose that customer for ever.

This is such nonsense . If you watch any legitimate streamer for any amount of time you will see they have long losing periods and cold sessions just like the rest of us . And if someone doesn't , well then he's lucky just like there's lucky people on this forum who win more than others..
So if streamer X wins big on Gonzo's Quest at CasinoY you immediately think "oh wow I must sign up there because obviously it's a great casino" !!?! even though nearly every casino has that game ? It's such an unlikely thing for the casino to risk somehow rigging the games for this reason

 

[Pulver]

I'm almost certain the casino management and marketing department raises the payout for these popular streamers absolutely no doubt about it.

We all know that you can sit playing a feature machine for hours on end without a single feature or decent win, almost never happens with streamers, I've always said I don't mind losing but at least give me a good fun game so I can say my loss was worth it. When a machine is stone cold and takes takes takes takes without a bonus - this is when players feel robbed and angry, operators then take the 'gamble' to lose that customer for ever.

You haven't watched a lot of streams then... Letsgiveitaspin for instance says he is down over all on LeoVegas, and I beleive him as he loses more times than not from what I have seen.

Oh, and the casinos can't just adjust the RTP of the games at a whim. Some software providers like Playtech and RTG offers different RTP settings off their games, true, but none of them is above 100%.

 

[videoslotheaven]

You haven't watched a lot of streams then... Letsgiveitaspin for instance says he is down over all on LeoVegas, and I beleive him as he loses more times than not from what I have seen.

Oh, and the casinos can't just adjust the RTP of the games at a whim. Some software providers like Playtech and RTG offers different RTP settings off their games, true, but none of them is above 100%.

How do we know that? I saw the other thread here about play n go having different rtp for the same game.

I even have a pdf file with game info fore one of their games on my computer that has several rtp models. The lowest one being in the 80% range!!!!

So basicly i have proof that the games are "rigged" in a sence. How do anyone really know what the criteria to change the rtp is? Maybe they can change it whenever they want, hell maybe even different settings for different players.
Nobody knows. Only thing that is certain is that the games have different rtp modells. And if playngo has that you can bet your ass that all the rest are exactley the same. So in a sence the games is NOT the same in every casino.

Ps a way to spott the low rtp playngo slots is to check the help file. The casinos running the regular 96-97% versions show this in help file. The ones with the lower rtp does not state the rtp in the help file.

You can say what you want but telling the players a slot has a 96,5% and then infact its 87% is basicly rigging the game! If it stated 87% who in their right mind would play.