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Some Interesting Statistics

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Tropicana50, Aug 4, 2017.

    Aug 4, 2017
  1. Tropicana50

    Tropicana50 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Programmer
    Location:
    England
    The Slot Tracker project has been running for a few months now and we have collected a lot of data. These are a few findings based on the data we have so far:

    SPIN DETAILS

    33% of slots are currently above or on their stated TRTP values.
    67% of slots are currently below their stated TRTP values.

    Bet size has no affect on the RTP outcome of any slot from our statistics.

    These are how the providers currently weigh up from best to worst:

    IGT : 108.66% RTP (31,811 Spins)
    NextGen : 104.59% RTP (86,839 Spins)
    SGI : 97.61% RTP (21,000 Spins)
    WMS : 96.42% RTP (251,101 Spins)
    Play n Go : 95.81% RTP (649,161 Spins)
    NetEnt : 95.51% RTP (2,001,416 Spins)
    Novomatic : 95.32% RTP (727,162 Spins)
    Microgaming : 94.93% RTP (1,281,323 Spins)
    Thunderkick : 94.51% RTP (368,681 Spins)
    ELK Gaming : 93.72% RTP (68,221 Spins)
    Big Time Gaming : 93.50% RTP (512,085 Spins)
    Merkur : 92.22% RTP (224,119 Spins)
    QuickSpin : 91.99% RTP (161,639 Spins)
    Red Tiger : 91.83% RTP (82,282 Spins)
    Yggdrasil : 90.66% RTP (386,030 Spins)

    BONUS DETAILS

    On average you will hit a bonus 1 in 117 spins
    On average that bonus will pay 35X your total stake

    The most likely providers to give you a bonus are SGI, NextGen and Play N Go
    The least likely providers to give you a bonus are Big Time Gaming, Merkur and Novomatic

    Novomatic has the highest paying bonuses
    SGI has the lowest paying bonuses

    The best game for wagering is JUNGLE SPIRIT
    The best game for cash-outs is CAPTAIN VENTURE

    - T
     
  2. Aug 4, 2017
  3. slotter999

    slotter999 Senior Member

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    UK
    Great post. Would be great if you could update this from time to time because it's v. interesting stuff and be nice to see if things change over time.
     
  4. Aug 4, 2017
  5. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    Mostly the Netherlands
    Indeed interesting, however not surprised at all:p
    Pretty much what i already felt to be the case myself, save for one thing:

    Jungle Spirit best for wagering? I would highly advise anyone not to take that seriously:)
    A slot that is so capable of huge dead spin streaks and low paying features is way too volatile to be used as a playthrough slot, i.m.o.

    Nevertheless great application, and would indeed also love to see regular updates on this! :thumbsup:
     
  6. Aug 4, 2017
  7. slot_zombie

    slot_zombie Experienced Member

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    Location:
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    No surprise to see the bottom 3 RTP results...
     
  8. Aug 4, 2017
  9. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    Games Producer
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Ahh crap... Our IGT compensator isn't working properly... I will tell the team to fix that right away ;)
     
  10. Aug 4, 2017
  11. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    Take notice i see your software has been played the less out of them all be a clear mile ;);)
     
  12. Aug 4, 2017
  13. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Well I don't work in the interactive department, but I've stated before on here that I think the majority of our interactive games are below average at best

    That's my opinion as a player, and someone who spends his own money playing games regularly. Of course I don't know how our games perform so for all I know I could be totally wrong about them.
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2018
  14. Aug 4, 2017
  15. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    tongue & cheek :D
     
  16. Aug 4, 2017
  17. mcgameboy

    mcgameboy Screenieholic & Essayist mm2

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    Location:
    Belfast
    Believe it or not Inky, I actually do believe Jungle Spirit is a good slot for wagering.

    Prior to hitting my full screen of tigers, I had successfully cleared WRs ranging from £1,400 (at GUTS) to £1,750 (at Royal Panda) on many occasions (I would say my success rate up to that point was above 50% at least)...all being done on 60p spins. It's only since that point that my success rate has noticeably dropped off. But to be fair, I think there was an inevitability that would happen.

    I should point out though, that my starting balance on those occasions were either £140 (£100 dep with 40% bonus) or £150 (£100 dep with 50% bonus). So that does give me some wiggle room to withstand any bad spells/bad starts.

    Would I recommend playing Jungle Spirit on a £25 starting balance, even on min bet? No, I probably would not. That said, I have done deposits of £50 and started at 60p bets, but I never said I was a sensible gambler. :p

    To be honest about it, I actually think Bonanza could be quite a good slot for wagering too. The number of times I have made a mere £25 deposit, put the game on at 40p bets and got very good playtime (regardless of whether I got a cashout or not) is actually surprisingly high. I have found that playing the game with a starting balance of £25 and 40p bets (ie a guaranteed minimum of 62 spins) has been FAR more successful for me than (for example) doing a £100 deposit and betting on 60p or 80p spins (a guaranteed minimum of 166 or 125 spins).

    Let's face it, ANY slot (on their day) can be good for wagering. Rhino, IR, DOA and Jungle Spirit (games that many people might dismiss as being WR-unfriendly) have actually been pretty good games for me in terms of clearing a WR.

    Everybody's perspective (based on their experience of playing certain games) will vary to a degree or two. That just happens to be mine.
     
  18. Aug 4, 2017
  19. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    I fully agree with you on the last sentence, that's a fact:)
    And i also have had similar sessions on Jungle Spirit, and Boinanza too, btw - but those were mostly exceptions to the rule, of either busting out fairly quickly with an average starting balance + Bonus (say 25 to 50, to cover low rollers and low/mid rollers) or dying a bit slower, chasing that bonus which may or may not come, and may or may not pay crap :p

    All i'm saying is that it is a fairly high variance slot, and i don't recommend those for wagering. Of course everybody should play as they like, or do what works best for them, but in general, it's best to stick to the well known rules of thumb, at least that's what i believe. And that has worked out pretty well, as i have a fairly high success rate with bonuses.


    To highlight some more of those examples, that basically any slot can indeed clear a wagering, when in the right mood, i can attest that even the most unlikely games have beat huge playthroughs for me, just by clicking on the max number of autoplay (before the cursed UKGC took these options away from most providers) and going AFK :p

    Examples are Quickspin slots like Grand Journey (1000 autospins on 80 cent = 800 wagered, with 40,- start) Jewel Blast (1000 autospins on 40 cent for 400 wagering with 20,- start) and just recently Bluprint's slot Ted, where i had some bonusmoney that had to be wagered 25 times, and it let me press 100x autoplay like 20 times, all the while steadily increasing my balance, clearing wagering and allowing me a cash-out of around 220,- :p

    Gotta love slots...
     
  20. Aug 4, 2017
  21. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

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    Are the results adjusted to a flat bet size?
     
  22. Aug 4, 2017
  23. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    No need for that. Far too few spins to draw a conclusion. The slots are obviously broke because they are returning more than they are meant to be.

    Perhaps it is the designers/devlopers like yourself that should be watching your back :mad::eek:
     
  24. Aug 4, 2017
  25. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    Games Producer
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I shall line the mathematicians up when I get back and shoot them all... ;)
     
  26. Aug 4, 2017
  27. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    No surprise Yggdrasil is bottom, those slots are brutal :(

    I think we can point the finger at Dunover for the Jungle Spirit stats :D
     
  28. Aug 4, 2017
  29. Tropicana50

    Tropicana50 Senior Member

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    The problem Ygg faces is that the design of some of their machines results in RTP being left in the slot instead of with the player. Vikings Go Berserk is a perfect example of this. Some RTP percentage is always going to be endured in the collection feature because theres several different collections going on.

    - T
     
  30. Aug 4, 2017
  31. Tropicana50

    Tropicana50 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Programmer
    Location:
    England
    Currently these are using pure RTP for our analysis. We aim to do some future postings using the SRP values in the future which should bring more accuracy. This is just a taster of what we will be able to provide.

    - T
     
  32. Aug 4, 2017
  33. lotusch

    lotusch Megaways Slots, as useless as salt in your coffee webby PABaccred mm2

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    It is mad to see that Ygdrassil is bottom as they have been the best paying slots for me in the last few weeks together with Novomatic and Merkur.
    That said they have tortured me for months too (Ygdrassil) to a point I really believed their slots were rigged. ;)
    Last few weeks a few very nice 500-1000x stake wins on Ygdrassil. Unreal.
    Merkur the same, was never lucky on those slots and lately I had a few very nice hits on them.

    Play n Go and Thunderkick are absolutely brutal though...

    IGT, sorry after my Cleopatra Plus ride from hell I blacklisted IGT.
    Never liked them but after what above slot did to me I am 2000% sure that I will never ever play their games anymore.

    Play n Go might be next...Absolute vile crap slots except for Book of Death.
     
  34. Aug 4, 2017
  35. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    Sorry for OT...

    I spent £1500 (and lost) on Vikings go Berserk last weekend and have got all the rage meters at the bottom between 50-75%. Now being so down on this slot, is it worth me continuing to get the rage spins or quit out of pocket?
     
  36. Aug 4, 2017
  37. lotusch

    lotusch Megaways Slots, as useless as salt in your coffee webby PABaccred mm2

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    Don't think so as the rage mode does not guarantee a massive win if I am correct.
    Not playing this slot myself but I believe the rage mode can be as bad as a regular bonus. :)

    Best Ygdrassil Slot for me personally is Cazino Zeppelin,by a mile.

    Try this:
    €1200.00 on Xmas Joker from Play n Rigged which has a max win of 100x stake. BRUTAL!
    And my biggest win was 50x stake ONCE in the FS bonus.
    Also it managed to give me 20 FS at €3.00 stake with a €0.00 win.
    Now that is probably not worth going back to as how will this slot ever give me something close to my money back. :oops::rolleyes:

    That said, I am like 3k up still in the last 6 weeks but could have been much better if it wasn't for this monster of a slot.
     
  38. Aug 5, 2017
  39. slotter999

    slotter999 Senior Member

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    Location:
    UK
    I know Kim has some ideas on the value of these collected meters and it's not very high.

    If you just want to realise the current value then continuing min stakes should be fine as the free spins are averaged based on stake.

    But I think you could spend quite a long time chasing all those and with no guarantees.

    I personally think the bind you find yourself in precisely why games of this nature should be avoided. It is extremely unlikely you will ever be in a position where there is not some value left in game. If you do chase it please let us know how you get on.
     

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