Slot power and vanguard casinos out of business?

[vinylweatherman]

This STILL does not explain this business with the redirects to CWC, and an affiliate account being set up to exploit conversions resulting from this.

PLAYERS have been told NOTHING, and in fact have been LIED to (see chat transcript from all4greed). If the casinos have dropped Rival, how come players are STILL being enticed to deposit & play. Further, what happens now, since presumably a new software will be brought online for these casinos, unless they HAVE indeed decided to fold. It seems they expect RIVAL to honour their commitments, not themselves.

We sincerely hope that Rival will
continue honoring their affiliate commitments as they have done in the past. Your players will be able
to continue playing on the sytem and thus you will continue receiving checks from them.

WTF is all this about then

HOW can players continue to play a casino that no longer exists, players want to know what is going to happen with their accounts now, since there is only a "system", no operator to back it and market promotions to them.

The operators CLEARLY knew in advance about this, but tried to fob it all off as a "technical server issue", and even set up a redirect through an affiliate account to handle any traffic going to the sites.

It is also a damning condemnation of Rival itself, that the operators just "threw in the towel" because of the poor standards of service provided by Rival central.

It even looks like they have pulled out of the industry altogether, rather than make a transition to another software provider, which also seems rather odd, since a business does not "fold" unless it has to, and certainly not just because a provider has let it down.

At least CWC have shut off this affiliate account, and I wonder if this "cease & desist" action had anything to do with the Vanguard website coming back online, rather than redirecting to Manhattan slots.

Rival - will it go the way of Hype? Players had better keep their eyes peeled, since it seems Bonne Chance hold all the money, and if Rival goes under, it will surely take Bonne Chance with it (they are, after all, one & the same).

 

[Redbush54]

Not to derail, but it does have to do with a rival:

Can anyone access the maxrevshare site?

 

[Mousey]

I have just gone onto their affiliate site and this is the message that appears



I guess this answers our questions!!

Sorry... but I'm not an affiliate and have never understood the strange relationship between affilate programs and the casinos, therefore...

I still don't understand what's going on. I do know I don't like it.

 

[topboss]

Sorry Mousey
I should have been more clear.
In a nutshell Slot Power and Vanguard Casino have closed their doors.
They are not accepting any new players, but have said that existing players can continue to play.
If I were you or any other player for that matter and have already got an account with them - DO NOT deposit a single cent there because there is a good chance you won't get paid out if you win.

 

[dominique]

Ok, here is the latest:

Dear Affiliate,

You may have noticed some disruption at www.vanguardcasino.com and www.slotpower.com. Due to a business dispute we have moved the domains to www.vanguardcasino.co.uk and www.slotpower.co.uk and you can reach our affiliate site at www.firstgamingpartners.co.uk. In order to ensure proper tracking, please update your affiliate links to the .co.uk domain for each affiliate link.

We extend our deepest apologies for any inconvenience and possible malicious intent that our previous marketing partners may have caused. The casino operator, Bonne Chance NV, was given no warning or indication that its marketing partners were planning to redirect traffic from its primary operating URLs. As the casino operator, Bonne Chance NV will continue to maintain and manage both casino sites as it has done in the past. All player and affiliate payments will be made as scheduled and going forward it will be business as usual for all existing and new players.

As a sign of our appreciation of your understanding we will extend an additional $25 CPA for every new depositing player (wagers and deposits $50 or more) you bring in between May 12th and June 31st, 2010.

A new management team has been assigned and can be reached at support@firstgamingpartners.co.uk

Best Regards,

First Gaming Affiliate Support

So I guess Bonne Chance is taking over and changing the URLs. Presumably the previous owners own the original URLs?

 

[topboss]

This is too little too late. I never got this email and have already removed all their banners.
I smell a fish here and don't like the sound of it.
I recall there was a similar situation with Absolute Slots when Slot Power took over. There was also a dispute of some sort with the previous owner.

There is more to this story than they are telling us I think.

From my side it is no big loss as I am hardly ever able to convert a Rival Gaming Casino anyway.

 

[RedAndi]

I'm not sure if this is related or not but I got a weird spam today.

It was from susan@superiorbrands.com (or something like that, I deleted it not thinking it may be part of this) and the body of the email was a flat out manhattan slots promo. Not just text but their actual normal graphics and such.
It struck me as kind of odd as CW casinos don't usually send offers through others (that I know of) and when I googled the sender I got a huge list of spam alerts.

 

[rjb]

i have been waiting for a $1200 withdrawl from vanguard since april27

 

[KasinoKing]

From my side it is no big loss as I am hardly ever able to convert a Rival Gaming Casino anyway.

For me Rival casinos are definitely the most popular with players; I guess that's because my sites are bonus-orientated and Rival casinos have better bonuses than most other brands.
Or at least, some of them do... the 2 casinos this thread is about have been very unpopular - probably due to their un-attractive welcome offers...

KK

 

[eu_lowroller]

@KK i agree with you 100%

What would i do without any Rival casino, then i really don't know, where i should play and especially "win" because i don't know where i can get also 3 vampires with expanding wilds

 

[kakata]

i have been waiting for a $1200 withdrawl from vanguard since april27

...and what was the answr they gave you? what the problem was???

 

[rjb]

support told me i would get an email from accounting letting me know why its taking so long.i have never got one email from them for 2 weeks

 

[nisosbar]

For me Rival casinos are definitely the most popular with players; I guess that's because my sites are bonus-orientated and Rival casinos have better bonuses than most other brands.
Or at least, some of them do... the 2 casinos this thread is about have been very unpopular - probably due to their un-attractive welcome offers...

KK

Initially, I played there a lot. I absolutely loved their Jenny Nevada game, and I liked the fact that they were accredited here. But they didn't pay out promptly. Couple times I had to wait, and wait, and wait - and yep, I reversed, and lost. Whereas, if I had been given my cash in, say, 48 hours, I would have had the chance to either redeposit something on Slotpower and then play more, or do something more constructive . So that's ultimately why I stopped playing there, it was difficult to cash out in under five days. Bonuses, schmonuses - I don't decide where to play on that basis - it's nice to get an easy bonus, but I mostly play without.

 

[eu_lowroller]

support told me i would get an email from accounting letting me know why its taking so long.i have never got one email from them for 2 weeks

i got exactly the same lame excuses from supreme play casino since the last 3 days from every different chat support but nothing happens!

sent them even 3 times an email, but never got any response from them!

 

[jetset]

Well, I've just checked out both the .com and .co.uk urls for these two operations and they look pretty much the same to me - including the software.

And I don't see any notices to players up on either telling them WTF is going on.

I think Topboss is right in urging caution - in the absence of a reasonable public explanation from First Partners there is bound to be speculation and an uneasy feeling that something is up here.

 

[Deeplay]

For me Rival casinos are definitely the most popular with players; I guess that's because my sites are bonus-orientated and Rival casinos have better bonuses than most other brands.
Or at least, some of them do... the 2 casinos this thread is about have been very unpopular - probably due to their un-attractive welcome offers...

KK

Well that maybe so but no Rivals are credited here and for good reason I think. They might have better bonuses but that in my view is where it ends. I wouldnt put 1 cent into any Rival these days - but hey thats just me. When things like this start to happen it could mean instability for the whole rival set up. 2 casinos from the same software providor seemingly going under at the same time should have alarm bells ringing for all players who visit rivals no matter which rival it is. My 10 cents of rant

 

[dominique]

Well, looking at the two pieces of communication, there was a falling out between the operators and Bonne Chance.

The processing difficulties are a huge issue for all US facing places, but Rival seems to have been hit hard as of late.

Some of the Rivals have their own processing in place, slotocash and box24 come to mind.

 

[pocketnut]

Not to derail, but it does have to do with a rival:

Can anyone access the maxrevshare site?

Nope I cant either. Ever since I signed up i haven't been able to get in. Ive sent them emails with no response. Its been about 3weeks now.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well, looking at the two pieces of communication, there was a falling out between the operators and Bonne Chance.

The processing difficulties are a huge issue for all US facing places, but Rival seems to have been hit hard as of late.

Some of the Rivals have their own processing in place, slotocash and box24 come to mind.

There is also a great deal of confusion How can MARKETING PARTNERS simply take over the actual casino domains, and then start forwarding traffic to a different operator WITHOUT even the agreement of said operator.

THEN, they first tell affiliates that they have closed because of the dispute, but the next day, they are OPEN again, and to new players.

WHO is "open again", and WHO closed in the first place. WHAT do Bonne Chance do, are they merely the provider of the software, and some back office services as they have always claimed, or is this PROOF of what I suggested earlier, which was that Bonne Chance have always really been the OPERATOR, and that all the various Rival casinos were nothing more than glorified affiliate portals (suggested very much by the use of the term "marketing patner" when explaining how the dispute resulted in the .com sites being brought down and redirected to Manhattan slots).

Players need to know just WHO is holding their money, and WHO is responsible for paying them.

I find it VERY odd that the "operator" simply closed because of these processing delays, rather than simply ditch the crappy Rival central suport services, and engage their own.

Other Rival casinos have NOT closed when faced with poor quality service from Rival, they have brought the operations concerned "in house".

 

[dominique]

One word answer:

White label

 

[rjb]

i will almost be going on my forth week now with no payout or an email from vanguard

 

[maxd]

One word answer:

White label

Which is the "one word"? "White" or "label"? :icon_twis

 

[RobWin]

There is also a great deal of confusion How can MARKETING PARTNERS simply take over the actual casino domains, and then start forwarding traffic to a different operator WITHOUT even the agreement of said operator.

Here's the deal Vinyl, The so called "marketing partners" were the actual owners of said domain names, hence they can do what they please with them. Apparently they had some sort of falling out with Rival Central and thus shut down their owned domain names and re-directed them to Manhattan Slots where they were also affiliates for.

When this happened and since they were a "White Label" operation, then Rival Central steps up to the plate and takes over the casino skins and they set up new domain names in the UK to run the two casinos from.

Apparently Rival saw this move by the said "marketing partners/domain owners/white-label owners" as a breach of contract, thus Rival's response by taking over the casino skins.
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[jetset]

The amazing thing about this continues to be that none of the companies involved has seen fit to communicate with their players or the public at large to clarify the situation, leaving it wide open to speculation.

None of this confusion can be good commercially.

It's been said before in this industry, but it bears repeating - this is one helluva way to run a business....not!

It's also an unacceptable situation from a licensing perspective, and it's perhaps time that the Netherlands Antilles jurisdiction stepped in and took some names.....OK, that's a little optimistic on my part LOL!

 

[dominique]

So it appears Rival has taken control of the casinos and my bet is that soon they will find a new operator for them.