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Rushmore discussion

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by kavaman, May 14, 2008.

    May 14, 2008
  1. kavaman

    kavaman Senior Member PABnononaccred3 PABnononaccred3 MM

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    (This was supposed to go to the rushmore experiences thread, sorry)........ ;)

    Deposited trough click2pay to rushmore. Got lucky and won about 400$ on my 4th-5th deposit. Was planning to withdraw, but to my surprise they do not allow withdrawals trough click2pay, nor trough wire transfer. Only option to withdraw is trough a bank draft, which to me an european player seems like were back to the stone age. Not even wire for europeans players like me.
    Its a great casino, and a trustworthy because well. Its casinomeister member for one. But they definately should get their act together concerning withdrawals.
    Neteller and Moneybookers would be a nice surprise for deposits and withdrawals too.

    kavaman
     
  2. May 15, 2008
  3. Audioz

    Audioz Banned User

    Occupation:
    call center agent
    Location:
    Austria
    That's certainly true, but why haven't you post this in the other thread, because you even know him.

    Now we have again a new Rushmore thread and this is not really very help-/sinful.
     
  4. May 15, 2008
  5. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    miami fl
    anyway whatever cashout option they have.(just 2)...they will try to hold on it and try to delay your withdrawal in any possible manner.
    They do give you playing time untill the wagering are met.....as soon you have met em....forget about it.
    I did and had a cashout for 500 ....all the possible delays where there.
    and Gabriel the "nice guy"....forget about him.....
    I lost 500 at a 20/40 cents bet with a 400/800 spins withouth feature 3 or 4 times in a row and when I got it was ZIPPO.
    I m clsosing my account....and I think...just my opinion...be careful.
    I know there will always be someone telling you .....no they are the best and all the s***t ....Ive played tens of thousands spin and Im sure of what I know.....
    BTW...whatever...we will see
     
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  6. May 15, 2008
  7. Audioz

    Audioz Banned User

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    Austria
    Sorry, but i can't believe this, because even on RTGs, which have a very bad payout, you got many features, when you play with 20 cent bets with $500, so it can't be, that you hit even not one feature and btw. if you play with 20 cent bets, how can it be, that you've lost $500 within 400 spins? *lol*



    400x $0,20 = $80, so even if you really get never any little win, what is also impossible, you could have only lost $80 and certainly not $500, or am i wrong? ;)
     
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  8. May 15, 2008
  9. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Seems like you wasn't diligent pupil at school, kakata ;)
     
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  10. May 15, 2008
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    This is no good, if they can accept deposits from Click2Pay they should have no problem paying that way. It seems they are determined to make it as hard as possible to make withdrawals, even harder, it seems, than it is to deposit.

    This "stone age" casino is off my list for now, as ease of deposit is important, but ease of withdrawal more so.

    If thy only do cheques, I would need to know how long it takes, and what the charges might be. I would also have problems if the cheques were in US Dollars, as this would make them very expensive to process at my end.

    Cheques cut and posted in the UK, and made out in UK Pounds would only be a small inconvenience, as they generally arrive in 3 working days, and clear through my bank in another 3 working days, and if they are in UK Pounds, I don't get charged for banking the cheque.

    Strangely, this policy seems to leave them open to money laundering, since most casinos INSIST that depositing by Click2Pay REQUIRES them to pay at least the amount of that deposit BACK to Click2Pay, and blame not themselves, but "outside regulations" for this stance. Funny how these alleged "outside regulations" do not seem to apply to Rushmore, who can take money from Click2Pay, and pay by cheque. Good for US players with money trapped in Click2Pay because of the $1500 min withdrawal limit, easy, put it in Rushmore, play it a bit, and withdraw it, and you get the check Click2Pay refuse to send you;) Technically, this is indeed "money laundering", in the sense that you are using a procedure to circumvent the Click2Pay rules preventing them sending under $1500.

    Since Rushmore are not required to return Click2Pay deposits back to Click2Pay, it follows that this alleged regulation does not actually exist as an EXTERNAL one, but is purely the choice of the casinos who insidt on it, and they quote "external" as a means of passing the buck to deflect complaints from players who find this rule inconvenient.

    This might also suggest that Rushmore will be more heavily reliant on requesting documents from players, and other ID checks, as they do not return deposits to source, and are thus more vulnerable to chargebacks after having issued a cheque to a player if that player turns out to be a scammer.
     
  12. May 15, 2008
  13. machinehead11

    machinehead11 Dormant account

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    Analyst
    Location:
    San Antonio
    Okay, I'm starting to get a little worried...

    My $2,000 withdrawal was approved on May 4. When I spoke to a Rushmore rep, they said that it would reach my bank account, via wire transfer, within 10 days. I'm on day 11 and still nothing. Gabriel, can you help? Will I actually be seeing my money like the rep said I would? Or is this a casino that I should stop playing at? Keep in mind that all my documents have been faxed over.
     
  14. May 15, 2008
  15. DemonUK

    DemonUK Senior Member PABnoaccred

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    Warrington, UK
    That will be working days won't it, so its Day 9:)
     
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  16. May 15, 2008
  17. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    You should probably re read my post before trying to be sarcastic.
    I said 400/800 spins "between features", which means you cant win.
    My English, like yours, its not the best and Im aware of it.....in mathematic
    tho Im quite strong.
     
  18. May 15, 2008
  19. Audioz

    Audioz Banned User

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    Sorry, but i wouldn't to be sarcastic, maybe you've misunderstood me, because my mother language is german and not english.

    But i'll not post again in this thread, because probably i will be again misunderstooden :(
     
  20. May 15, 2008
  21. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    Im Italian.....(nobody is perfect):oops:
     
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  22. May 15, 2008
  23. machinehead11

    machinehead11 Dormant account

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    Just spoke to another Rushmore rep. It IS in fact working days they go by, and I should be expected my payout tomorrow or Monday. They said it's still on schedule. A bit of a relief for me.
     
  24. May 15, 2008
  25. kavaman

    kavaman Senior Member PABnononaccred3 PABnononaccred3 MM

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    I already apologized for making another thread. Like i said this post was supposed to go to the rushmore experiences thread. So if someone can merge this, would be most welcome.
    When i asked about click2pay support said that they have made a deal with click2pay that does not allow them to send money to customers.

    -kavaman
     
  26. May 16, 2008
  27. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    So, those casinos that claim that they are REQUIRED to pay back to Click2Pay if the deposit came from them are talking bollox, or Click2Pay would have REQUIRED Rushmore to do the same, rather than REQUIRING that they don't.
    Looks like the launder is on for all those US members who have less than $1500 stuck there, and find all casinos INSIST that any withdrawal resulting from a Click2Pay deposit must go back to Click2Pay - an issue that has been raised my US players who thought they could get around the $1500 rule by depositing, playing a bit, and requesting withdrawal by check, and getting nowhere - now you can, thanks to Rushmore and this deal that seems counter to all these supposed rules and regulations we are forced to suffer at the hands of casinos who in turn claim they have to impose such rules because of these international money laundering regulations.

    Perhaps these regulators might be interested in this "deal" that would permit the "in through Click2Pay, out by check" system at Rushmore? Click2Pay can be set to automatically debit from a credit card, and this is what is the real loophole when it comes to rogue players. They will use a credit card through Click2Pay, withdraw by check, and then issue a chargeback on the card. This will result in the money being reclaimed from Click2Pay, who ordinarily insist that withdrawals go back to them if they have transacted the deposit, hence this dodge would not normally work. Now, Click2Pay will have to take the hit, and then recover the money from Rushmore, who then have to recover it from the player. This is a good deal harder, as more parties are involved, and the trail more convoluted, and it is likely that a rogue player could run with the money before recovery could take place.

    This deal is stupid, so why on earth did Click2Pay agree to it, or insist on it as it appears. I no longer believe casinos and processors are as concerned about money laundering as they claim they are, they have more self serving reasons for quoting all these regulations as explanations for their often perverse and inconvenient rules. Clearly, in this case, something is of more value profit wise for this partnership to justify taking this extra risk, even though it is even MORE inconvenient for players than even some of the perverse rules we have to deal with already.

    In the case of Rushmore, it is not the limited deposit methods that are the main issue any more, but the even more severely limited WITHDRAWAL methods. When I saw that a couple of eWallets were supported, even though Neteller was not, I assumed all that I would need to do was sign up with one of them, fund it, and I could then easily deposit and withdraw. It now seems that I was wrong, and that withdrawal is far more complicated than this.
    I even considered re-using my old Click2Pay account, even though they got one over on me with inventing unnecessary currency exchanges, but it seems this would have been no good anyway.
     
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  28. May 16, 2008
  29. machinehead11

    machinehead11 Dormant account

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    I got paid!!!

    The $2000 withdrawal that was approved May 4 reached my checking account today, after 10 business days. A bit slow, yes, but I can wholeheartedly say that Rushmore is reputable and THEY WILL PAY!!!!

    This is great news to me. THANKS RUSHMORE!!!!:notworthy
     
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  30. May 22, 2008
  31. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    Almost 2 weeks later ......I received an e-mail from Gabriel asking me if I was satisfied with the outcome of his 'Intervention'
    Oh yes....I uninstalled the casino, wasnt paid and Im no longer playing at Rushmore.
    I couldnt be any happyer.

    PS
    I want clarify,tho.
    I didnt get paid cause they gave me a waiting time of an additional 48 hours each time I reversed the pending withdraw,this went on for almost a week, and I was told that flushin was not an available option.....:eek:
     
  32. May 22, 2008
  33. Audioz

    Audioz Banned User

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    You can't flush your withdrawal at any RTG casino, so if you don't like this, you should'nt play on any RTG casino in the future ;)
     
  34. May 22, 2008
  35. matty

    matty Dormant account

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    if you can deposit that way, you should have be able to withdraw that way as well....sometimes cross withdraw is not possbile and i understant that, it's because money fraud actions... by cross withdraw i mean if you deposit for example with moneybookers and want to withdraw with wire..

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  36. May 22, 2008
  37. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    not completely true...you can at club world and you dont need it at Inetbet cause they pay you before you even have the time to ask for it.:D
     
  38. May 22, 2008
  39. Audioz

    Audioz Banned User

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    club world is not an option for me, because their payout% are horrible!

    iNetBet takes also 6-24 hours, so they're not the fastest one.

    only on bodog you get your money within 15 minutes up to 2 hours.
     

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