Roshstein outed himself as fake?

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Hey guys. Just to confirm - roshtein playing with real money at N1 casino. And from what I know - it's impossible to somehow show play money and real money. At least at N1.

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So how did his balance stay exactly the same when he went from real money play, to demo play, and back to real money play again?

I've seen that before at any online casino. Ever.
 

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OK, I've just watched the video (I knew about the viewbots a while ago) and it does seem pretty damning. I know streamers and vloggers get accusations, trolls, cynicism - that's all part and parcel of being in public view or providing content. The fact the real balance is carried to a demo game is impossible unless you're running fake software (this isn't fake) OR by design.

As you may know (not UK IP's any longer) I post video reviews and written reviews of upcoming slots and this includes putting in urls' for visitors to play the demo games. They have different codes from real play url's and the game server/aggregator cannot mix demo and real play up as a result, for obvious reasons.

I cannot see any other explanation here (I haven't got time to be more expansive right now as I've left a task to type this) but the fact the casino interface has been set-up to mean a demo balance can be transferred from slot-to-slot. The casino has the means to do this as you'll all know when for example they identify balances as bonus or withdrawable cash or want to load free spins into their system on certain games. This has all the hallmarks of a specially-integrated account set up for R********n for advertising purposes.

Obviously I anticipate more detailed information from maybe casino reps, @trancemonkey etc. who can explain it better than me. Luckily I have numerous contacts with many developers and they should be able to confirm the facts regarding this and explain exactly how this can be possible.
 

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This will end up the greatest mystery of our times

Although as we know, Twitch itself is more bent than Right Said Fred
For sure, just requested to have my Christmas holiday already to be able follow up on this more closely :) Was bit disappointed when while ago there was already last game money streamer thread, but so excited it wasn't :)
 

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Has anyone got an account at N1 Casino they can quickly test this with? Just replicate what Roshtein did and see what happens?

1) Close Gonzo's Quest in real money play, make a note of your balance.
2) Open Rise Of Merlin in Practice mode, do you see your real balance, or a demo balance?
3) Open Victorious, do you see the same balance noted in Step 1?
Sorry, Kou beat me to it. As you may know, I've played over 10k different demo slots over the years for my work and sometimes if I re-open the DEMO game it will recognize a cookie or my IP and retain the settings/stake I had it on before I closed it, but I've never seen it happen across multiple slots.
 

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I've been logged out of Real Play after extended durations, only to reload other games in Demo Mode, if that helps.

Albeit this has never happened whilst highrolling to a livestream audience of devotees (yet)
 

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To be honest, I trust @homerbert. He has given me no reason not to trust what he says. N1Casino is tip notch and one of my favourite places to play.

It’s always been obvious there were tons of viewbots on Roshteins channel but I don’t think anyone really cares about that. It’s pretty well known within the twitch community.

Roshtein’s change of demeanor is definitely the tell here. Now maybe his account is set up differently but is playing with real money, but the change in demeanor is definitely suspicious.
 

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So how did his balance stay exactly the same when he went from real money play, to demo play, and back to real money play again?

I've seen that before at any online casino. Ever.
It's not possible unless a player ID has been integrated into the back end for that reason. It's possible that this is bonus money (which cannot be withdrawn ever) so isn't actually DEMO money (there is a difference) but it's equally as worthless.

P.S. It seems to me the 'arrangement' R*******n has with the casino hasn't been properly integrated - you can tell by his shock when opening the demo to 'prove' the 'real' funds wouldn't be there and they actually were. He expected his balance not to be in the demo and think about it - if you were streaming like he does you would anticipate some of the non-bot viewers to ask him to prove real play and therefore his answer should have been all tried, tested and ready. It seems he's been let down here lol....
 
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I've been logged out of Real Play after extended durations, only to reload other games in Demo Mode, if that helps.

Albeit this has never happened whilst highrolling to a livestream audience of devotees (yet)
Yeah that happens.

This was his real money balance being transferred into the demo version of the game though. As Dunover said, impossible.
 

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@dunover on Caddell casinos while playing demo mode on blueprint, the balance carries over to each of game.

That’s the only instance I’ve seen of demo money carrying over.
Yes, it's possible and come to think of it even likely at the same developer's demo server, your slot details and setting are 'cookied'. I've had it happen on some developer's demos too thinking about it, I've had say a £50 demo balance on a Kalamba game, bought a demo feature, ended up with 10 quid left, opened another Kalamba and found I didn't have enough for a bonus-by as it retained the 10 quid balance - I then had to run crapcleaner to restore the 50 quid.
 

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Hey guys. Just to confirm - roshtein playing with real money at N1 casino. And from what I know - it's impossible to somehow show play money and real money. At least at N1.

Br,

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Well given the shitstorm this has started, maybe you could investigate how this could have happened, because his bots aside, this looks highly, highly sniffy at best. Then explain it to us lot. Luckily I have a Dev contact at Play'n Go and know a few of them personally, so can run the explanation past them for confirmation.
 

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Well given the shitstorm this has started, maybe you could investigate how this could have happened, because his bots aside, this looks highly, highly sniffy at best. Then explain it to us lot. Luckily I have a Dev contact at Play'n Go and know a few of them personally, so can run the explanation past them for confirmation.
:thumbsup::cheers:
 

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But if Gonzo was in demo mode, it would alternatively show the balance, stake and wins, and the words "Playing For Fun", at the bottom of the game, as all NetEnt games do.
So he's probably playing on some kind of test account
 

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But if Gonzo was in demo mode, it would alternatively show the balance, stake and wins, and the words "Playing For Fun", at the bottom of the game, as all NetEnt games do.
So he's probably playing on some kind of test account
That's what I suspect strongly and it has indeed been said many times before, the account is loaded with not demo, but bonus money for play purposes that cannot be withdrawn. It certainly cannot be real money as the demo game he selected wouldn't have retained the balance. It is clear though that his account is not a normal player account and is an advertising creation for his streams, however they've set it up.

He won't lose many subscribers though as the bots don't give a monkey's.....
 

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Sorry, Kou beat me to it. As you may know, I've played over 10k different demo slots over the years for my work and sometimes if I re-open the DEMO game it will recognize a cookie or my IP and retain the settings/stake I had it on before I closed it, but I've never seen it happen across multiple slots.
Suppose some casinos could if they wished have a demo balance that stays the same next time you log in.

Ladbrokes MG casino used to do it. You played the demo left and next tie you logged in the demo balance was as you left it. Think you started with £500 and every time you logged in it was as it was when you left it.
 

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